European patent process for oleander soup

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I was just looking at the European Patent Application contained in the files. I noticed that it does not prepare the OS by cooking. It uses a simpler method:

 

Pick oleander and dry at room temperature

Grind the oleander into a powder

Soak the oleander power in distilled water at room temperature for 1 to 50 hours

Filter the soaked oleander powder/water using a 0.22 micron filter

Store the oleander solution

I have obviously simplified the process some but I believe it contains the salient information. This is a much easier process than the cooking method. The only real hurdle is the 0.22 micron filter. There are water purification filters available for use for hikers/backpackers that filter out bacteria and virus from raw water sources and some use a 0.3 micron filter. There may even be some that use smaller filters.

Here is my question: Can OS be made using this process and the 0.3 micron hiker/backpacker water purification filters?

- Steve

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Interesting...If this process eliminates the toxic part and keeps all the good stuff it would seem more potent then the soup since it doesnt go through a lenghty boiling process..which also might eliminate some of the good stuff not a scientist tho.. I'd like to know more tho"Norton, Steve" Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:44:30 -0500<oleander soup > European patent process for oleander soup I was just looking at the European Patent Application contained in the files. I noticed that it does not prepare the OS by cooking. It uses a simpler method: Pick oleander and dry at room temperature Grind the oleander into a powder Soak the oleander power in distilled water at room temperature for 1 to 50 hours Filter the soaked oleander powder/water using a 0.22 micron filter Store the oleander solutionI have obviously simplified the process some but I believe it contains the salient information. This is a much easier process than the cooking method. The only real hurdle is the 0.22 micron filter. There are water purification filters available for use for hikers/backpackers that filter out bacteria and virus from raw water sources and some use a 0.3 micron filter. There may even be some that use smaller filters. Here is my question: Can OS be made using this process and the 0.3 micron hiker/backpacker water purification filters? - Steve

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Apparently, MSR sells a number of backpacker water purifiers with a 0.2 micron filter. Shouldn't this work to make OS per the method below? These are both 0.2 micron filters:

http://www.amazon.com/MSR-Miniworks-EX-Water-Filter/dp/B000BBF2RY/ref=pd_sbs_sg_1

http://www.amazon.com/MSR-56500-HyperFlow-Microfilter/dp/B00187CZ0W/ref=pd_sbs_sg_4

A little pricey but maybe worth it.

- Steve

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Norton, SteveThursday, April 23, 2009 9:45 AMoleander soup Subject: European patent process for oleander soup

 

 

 

 

I was just looking at the European Patent Application contained in the files. I noticed that it does not prepare the OS by cooking. It uses a simpler method:

 

Pick oleander and dry at room temperature Grind the oleander into a powder Soak the oleander power in distilled water at room temperature for 1 to 50 hours Filter the soaked oleander powder/water using a 0.22 micron filter Store the oleander solution

I have obviously simplified the process some but I believe it contains the salient information. This is a much easier process than the cooking method. The only real hurdle is the 0.22 micron filter. There are water purification filters available for use for hikers/backpackers that filter out bacteria and virus from raw water sources and some use a 0.3 micron filter. There may even be some that use smaller filters.

Here is my question: Can OS be made using this process and the 0.3 micron hiker/backpacker water purification filters?

- Steve

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First, I hope that this topic is not causing you untoward concern Tony. I understand the sensitivity of discussing patented processes and duplicating the patent. But I also believe that much can be learned from patents that can be used without violating a patent, or an idea in one patent can be used for a different application or a patented idea can be improved.

Second, I would like to correct an error below. The MSR-Miniworks Ex should not be used. It contains an integral activated charcoal filter that you would not want in the process.

I would like to mention briefly my understanding of fair use of patents (BTW, I am NOT a lawyer). There is a common belief that one can use patented ideas for personal use as long as they do not use the patent commercially. I do not believe that this is correct. However, my understanding is that one can duplicate a patented application for the purpose of determining whether a patent is correct in its claims. In the case of a cancer medication, to verify that the process is both effective and nontoxic as claimed, one might have to personally test the medication for a long time since toxic effects can be cumulative over a long period of time and claimed effects of the process may take time to differentiate.

Also, while it is illegal to expropriate another's patent, it is also illegal to encourage others to violate a patent. This is the area that probably concerns Tony the most. To be clear, I am not suggesting anyone violate the patent.

 

Thank you Tony for not simply forbidding this subject just after the first mention. If after this post you are concerned I will gladly drop the subject.

 

I think the patent has one flaw. The patent specifies a micro filter range of 0.45 to 0.22 microns. I suspected that these values were selected because they are the standard filter values available from the supplier of the Millipore filtration system. I have since verified this as correct. My original post asking about a 0.3 micron filter would violate the patent since it falls within the patented filtering range. However, the 0.2 micron filter by MSR will almost assuredly work and would not violate the patent since it is outside the patented range.

Other parts of the process such as drying and powdering the oleander are standard practices for preparing an extract or tincture and are not even necessary. One can use fresh oleander or cut up dried oleander but one would need to account for the added moisture in the fresh oleander or the reduced extraction from a cut up leaf vs. a powdered leaf.

The patent has a few other comments that one might want to be aware of:

 

 

A cold extraction is more biologically active than a hot extraction (boiling)

 

The best period to harvest oleander is August to December. (Presumably the oleander has the highest concentration of active compounds then. The dates might need to be modified somewhat based on geographical location)

 

Leaves of 16 to 19 cm (6.3 to 7.5 inches) are preferred.

I will probably test this patent with the 0.2 filter but not right away. It has another interest for me right now. The website of an herbalist recommended to me by Renee has gotten me interested in Pokeweed which like oleander has some interesting properties. And like oleander, the raw plant is toxic. The heat process as used on oleander removes the toxins in the leaves and berries but may not work on the roots where some of the beneficial chemical compounds reside. Maybe the filter method will work there??? I will try and see.

Regards

Steve

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Norton, SteveThursday, April 23, 2009 1:37 PMoleander soup Subject: RE: European patent process for oleander soup

Apparently, MSR sells a number of backpacker water purifiers with a 0.2 micron filter. Shouldn't this work to make OS per the method below? These are both 0.2 micron filters:

http://www.amazon.com/MSR-Miniworks-EX-Water-Filter/dp/B000BBF2RY/ref=pd_sbs_sg_1

http://www.amazon.com/MSR-56500-HyperFlow-Microfilter/dp/B00187CZ0W/ref=pd_sbs_sg_4

A little pricey but maybe worth it.

- Steve

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Norton, SteveThursday, April 23, 2009 9:45 AMoleander soup Subject: European patent process for oleander soup

 

 

 

 

I was just looking at the European Patent Application contained in the files. I noticed that it does not prepare the OS by cooking. It uses a simpler method:

 

Pick oleander and dry at room temperature Grind the oleander into a powder Soak the oleander power in distilled water at room temperature for 1 to 50 hours Filter the soaked oleander powder/water using a 0.22 micron filter Store the oleander solution

I have obviously simplified the process some but I believe it contains the salient information. This is a much easier process than the cooking method. The only real hurdle is the 0.22 micron filter. There are water purification filters available for use for hikers/backpackers that filter out bacteria and virus from raw water sources and some use a 0.3 micron filter. There may even be some that use smaller filters.

Here is my question: Can OS be made using this process and the 0.3 micron hiker/backpacker water purification filters?

- Steve