Leukemia

[Guest guest]

Dear Yanky,

This is of course, dear friend, why we cannot let ourselves be rushed by

our colleagues or circumstances. . . . not to say, of course, that leukemia

could be suspected in a child from the outset. . .but the rapid choppy

pulse and PEELED red tongue body do point to ying level heat with damage to

fluids. It is not our job to diagnose leukemia, necessarily, although an

advanced practitioner can determine cancer through pulse and tongue. . .

..but to do the necessary pattern diagnosis and treat accordingly. Then

one can refer to an advanced TCM practitioner, MD or other health

professional if in doubt. I know this is a controversial conclusion, but I

open this up to the group.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>jacob gerlitz <jacobgerlitz

>

>Dear Group,

>I would like to share a story with you. I work with a

>couple of M.D.'s. The other day one of them called me

>in to see one of their patients. The patient was an 11

>year old boy with an enlarged left cervical lymph

>node.

>my colleague asked me what I thought about it.The

>swelling started the week before, the day after his

>school bus made a sudden stop and the boy suffering a

>mild whiplash. The mother and boy could not think of

>any other cause. The boy had a pale complexion with

>red lips, a somewhat red tongue body, peeled coat and

>a rapid choppy pulse. the node was large firm and not

>tender. Based on the acute onset of the mass and the

>possible injury, I speculated some sort of local

>blood/phlegm stagnation. I discounted the pulse,

>tongue and lips, figuring that children tend towards

>fast pulses and somewhat red tongues. I was told he

>had a slight fever a few days ago and tested positive

>for strep. My colleague's approach is to have the

>child finish the antibiotics and see if the node goes

>down.

>After the patient left he confided in me that he

>suspected leukemia. That was why he called me in; he

>wanted me to feel a leukemic lymph node. He told me he

>has seen 3 cases in his 18 or so years in practice and

>he feared the worst. He hoped it was just strep, but

>he worried it was a " red herring. " He wasn't sure if

>he should wait a week or tell the patient's mother,

>and have the child brought in for testing immediately.

>I was shocked and humbled. I jumped to conclusions

>based on the limited one minute intake and ignored

>many relevant signs. In my practice I do not regularly

>see patients with (possable)ying level heat. Therefore

>I ignored them. Perhaps if I had a proper intake I

>would have fleshed out a proper TCM Dx, But I would

>not have suspected leukemia. That is what bothers me.

>prior to this meeting I did not know that this lymph

>node presentation is a " red flag " and that it just

>suddenly starts, with no apparent cause.

>I write this e-mail, not as a confession, but rather

>to share an interesting clinical experience from a

>primary care setting that many of us do not regularly

>get to work in....yet.

> Food for thought.

>

>Jacob Gerlitz, Dipl.Ac,C.H.

>

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for your candor in reporting this experience. I am a first year

practitioner and find that I sometimes discount my observations when they

register in my " intuition " level of understanding. Learning to pay attention

to the intuition is an important goal of my practice-and not feeling rushed

to diagnose.

 

Sherril Gold, Dipl. Ac.

[Guest guest]

Jacok

Thank you for sharing that insightful story. It holds many ideas as food for

thought.

Jim Chaffee L. Ac.

[Guest guest]

Jacob-

I also had a case similar to this a few years ago: Car accident, whiplash,

and serious throat swelling on the inside impairing swallowing. Antibiotics

didnt touch it, MDs baffled. Bleeding L.I.1 took the swelling down

immediately, and Ban Xia Hou Pou tang for a week cleared the case.

 

On the pulse and tongue for children, however, although I agree with the

faster pulse, the tongue can also typically show signs of chi deficiency as

they are in such a rapid growth period.

Gina Gabrielle

[Guest guest]

Hi Eva,

I am so sorry to hear this, but yet so glad she is open to alternative measures. Of course, Oleander is the most important, and tell her not to forget to do the liver flush, as her liver needs to be strong enough to handle the toxins that the oleander will bring forth. Diet is imperative. No sugar. Above all, Cancer feeds on sugar. She should follow the Budwig Diet and the full diet recommendations.

Actually, the entire protocol is important, everything in it strengthens the immune system. As for specifics, hmmmm....... Well, I'm going to Tony handle that.

By the way, I have heard that Oleander is quite effective against Leukemia.

I wish her my best.

 

oleander soup , Eva Klein-Otis <eklein.otis wrote:>> Hi Tony and ,> > My former pastor's mother in Atlanta has just been diagnosed with Leukemia and according to my best friend, the family seem keen to try alternative measures. I will forward Tony's protocol to them. I know first hand how great it is. I was wondering if there is any other info that is specific for treating Leukemia. And if she can't/won't do the whole protocol, which are the most important items she focus on?> > Thanks in advance,> Eva.>

[Guest guest]

There have been seveal messages recently about leukemia. Here is my response:

Oleander has had very good success against Leukemia (in fact, some of the very earliest successes by Dr. Ozel when he was developing and using the oleander extract that later came to be patented as Anvirzel, were against leukemia).

Besides oleander and all of the lifestyle and diet recommendations, the following items in particular have exhibited strong anti-leukemia results and activity, and if it were me I would not do without a single one of them, and I would take all of them in quantity:

Black seed oil (Nigella Sativa)

Inositol/IP6

Curcumin

Blood Support Tonic

Plant Derived Trace Minerals

Vitamin D3 (from sunshine and/or supplementation)

Google searches for each of the items plus leukemia (except the blood tonic, where the search should be for the individual ingredients in the tonic plus leukemia) will produce links to positive results for their use against leukemia.

I would also include the product OxyGen , which should be good against leukemia and virtually all kinds of cancer.

All the best,

Tony

[Guest guest]

Of all the cancers, artemisinin is theoretically most effective against

leukemia, because leukemia has the highest iron content. I am taking

artemisinin for colon cancer, which comes in #2 in terms of iron content.

Artemisinin reacts with the excessive iron in cancer to create hydrogen

peroxide, which destroys the cancer cells.

 

Several months ago, Dr. LL voiced the opinion that artemisinin was kind of

useless. I don't know. When she posted this, I then received a couple of

private emails from people who said they had been cured using artemisinin.

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

>

> There have been seveal messages recently about leukemia. Here is my

> response:

>

> Oleander has had very good success against Leukemia (in fact, some of

> the very earliest successes by Dr. Ozel when he was developing and using

> the oleander extract that later came to be patented as Anvirzel, were

> against leukemia).

>

> Besides oleander and all of the lifestyle and diet recommendations, the

> following items in particular have exhibited strong anti-leukemia

> results and activity, and if it were me I would not do without a single

> one of them, and I would take all of them in quantity:

>

> Black seed oil (Nigella Sativa)

>

> Inositol/IP6

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> utopiasilver.com/products/supplements/cellfortemax3.htm>

>

> Curcumin

>

> Blood Support Tonic

> <http://www.clixgalore.com/PSale.aspx?BID=20557 & AfID=96672 & AdID=3233>

>

> Plant Derived Trace Minerals

> <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=18 & jxURL=http://www.\

> utopiasilver.com/products/supplements/75_powdered_plant_derived_minerals\

> .htm>

>

> Vitamin D3 (from sunshine and/or supplementation)

>

> Google searches for each of the items plus leukemia (except the blood

> tonic, where the search should be for the individual ingredients in the

> tonic plus leukemia) will produce links to positive results for their

> use against leukemia.

>

> I would also include the product OxyGen

> <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=18 & jxURL=http://www2\

> 1.serrahost.com/uss/Detail.bok?no=81> , which should be good against

> leukemia and virtually all kinds of cancer.

>

> All the best,

>

> >

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with Tony.Please also include Artemesenin an Cemetedine(1200 mg per day).They are specifics in leukaemias.

Dr.Kumar

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Tony wrote:

Tony Leukemiaoleander soup Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:15 PM

 

 

 

There have been seveal messages recently about leukemia. Here is my response:

Oleander has had very good success against Leukemia (in fact, some of the very earliest successes by Dr. Ozel when he was developing and using the oleander extract that later came to be patented as Anvirzel, were against leukemia).

Besides oleander and all of the lifestyle and diet recommendations, the following items in particular have exhibited strong anti-leukemia results and activity, and if it were me I would not do without a single one of them, and I would take all of them in quantity:

Black seed oil (Nigella Sativa)

Inositol/IP6

Curcumin

Blood Support Tonic

Plant Derived Trace Minerals

Vitamin D3 (from sunshine and/or supplementation)

Google searches for each of the items plus leukemia (except the blood tonic, where the search should be for the individual ingredients in the tonic plus leukemia) will produce links to positive results for their use against leukemia.

I would also include the product OxyGen , which should be good against leukemia and virtually all kinds of cancer.

All the best,

Tony

[Guest guest]

Hi I would recommend drinking a lot of black tea my grandfather who I've never met has been diagnosed with leukimia then he went to some doctor and doc didn't have any treatment and another alternative doc told him to drink a lot of strong black tea..he lived for 20 years symptoms free and the next few years they started coming up..and were talking 55-60 years agodrKumar JK Thu, 9 Apr 2009 23:29:12 -0700 (PDT)<oleander soup >Re: Leukemia I totally agree with Tony.Please also include Artemesenin an Cemetedine(1200 mg per day).They are specifics in leukaemias.Dr.Kumar--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Tony > wrote:Tony > Leukemiaoleander soup Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:15 PMThere have been seveal messages recently about leukemia. Here is my response:Oleander has had very good success against Leukemia (in fact, some of the very earliest successes by Dr. Ozel when he was developing and using the oleander extract that later came to be patented as Anvirzel, were against leukemia).Besides oleander and all of the lifestyle and diet recommendations, the following items in particular have exhibited strong anti-leukemia results and activity, and if it were me I would not do without a single one of them, and I would take all of them in quantity:Black seed oil (Nigella Sativa)Inositol/IP6 CurcuminBlood Support Tonic Plant Derived Trace Minerals Vitamin D3 (from sunshine and/or supplementation)Google searches for each of the items plus leukemia (except the blood tonic, where the search should be for the individual ingredients in the tonic plus leukemia) will produce links to positive results for their use against leukemia.I would also include the product OxyGen , which should be good against leukemia and virtually all kinds of cancer.All the best,Tony

[Guest guest]

I've read a lot of conflicting reports on caffiene and cancer. The DCA people

believe strongly in lots of caffiene with their DCA protocol, to the point where

they take caffiene pills. They also recommend black tea for getting the

caffiene.

 

I've also read many people saying " cut out the caffiene completely " because it

exhausts the adrenal glands, which are important for fighting cancer.

 

If caffiene is good for fighting cancer, then tea would be far superior to

coffee (or heaven forbid soda) because I would think most teas would be

alkalizing in their nature, while coffee and soda makes one very acidic.

 

But wouldn't green tea be the best, if one is going to use tea? Or is black tea

so heavily alkaline that this is where the benefit is coming from?

 

 

oleander soup , overloaded wrote:

>

> Hi I would recommend drinking a lot of black tea my grandfather who I've never

met has been diagnosed with leukimia then he went to some doctor and doc didn't

have any treatment and another alternative doc told him to drink a lot of strong

black tea..he lived for 20 years symptoms free and the next few years they

started coming up..and were talking 55-60 years ago

>

>

>

> drKumar JK <drkumarj

>

> Thu, 9 Apr 2009 23:29:12

> <oleander soup >

> Re: Leukemia

>

>

> I totally agree with Tony.Please also include Artemesenin an Cemetedine(1200

mg per day).They are specifics in leukaemias.

> Dr.Kumar

>

>

> --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Tony wrote:

>

>

> Tony

> Leukemia

> oleander soup

> Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:15 PM

>

>

>

There have been seveal messages recently about leukemia.  Here is my response:

> Oleander has had very good success against Leukemia (in fact, some of the very

earliest successes by Dr. Ozel when he was developing and using the oleander

extract that later came to  be patented as Anvirzel, were against leukemia).

> Besides oleander and all of the lifestyle and diet recommendations, the

following items in particular have exhibited strong anti-leukemia results and

activity, and if it were me I would not do without a single one of them, and I

would take all of them in quantity:

> Black seed oil (Nigella Sativa)

> Inositol/IP6 

> Curcumin

> Blood Support Tonic 

> Plant Derived Trace Minerals 

> Vitamin D3 (from sunshine and/or supplementation)

> Google searches for each of the items plus leukemia (except the blood tonic,

where the search should be for the individual ingredients in the tonic plus

leukemia) will produce links to positive results for their use against leukemia.

> I would also include the product OxyGen , which should be good against

leukemia and virtually all kinds of cancer.

> All the best,

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,A big thank-you to all who gave suggestions re my Leukemia question. I really appreciate it! I have just now forwarded the information and I look forward to hearing reports from my friend in the US.Have a great Easter,Blessings, Eva.--- On Fri, 4/10/09, jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10 Re: Leukemiaoleander soup Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 5:26 PM

 

I've read a lot of conflicting reports on caffiene and cancer. The DCA people believe strongly in lots of caffiene with their DCA protocol, to the point where they take caffiene pills. They also recommend black tea for getting the caffiene.

 

I've also read many people saying "cut out the caffiene completely" because it exhausts the adrenal glands, which are important for fighting cancer.

 

If caffiene is good for fighting cancer, then tea would be far superior to coffee (or heaven forbid soda) because I would think most teas would be alkalizing in their nature, while coffee and soda makes one very acidic.

 

But wouldn't green tea be the best, if one is going to use tea? Or is black tea so heavily alkaline that this is where the benefit is coming from?

 

oleander soup, overloaded@. .. wrote:

>

> Hi I would recommend drinking a lot of black tea my grandfather who I've never met has been diagnosed with leukimia then he went to some doctor and doc didn't have any treatment and another alternative doc told him to drink a lot of strong black tea..he lived for 20 years symptoms free and the next few years they started coming up..and were talking 55-60 years ago

>

>

>

> drKumar JK <drkumarj@.. .>

>

> Thu, 9 Apr 2009 23:29:12

> <oleander soup>

> Re: Leukemia

>

>

> I totally agree with Tony.Please also include Artemesenin an Cemetedine(1200 mg per day).They are specifics in leukaemias.

> Dr.Kumar

>

>

> --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Tony @. ..> wrote:

>

>

> Tony @. ..>

> Leukemia

> oleander soup

> Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:15 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> There have been seveal messages recently about leukemia. Here is my response:

> Oleander has had very good success against Leukemia (in fact, some of the very earliest successes by Dr. Ozel when he was developing and using the oleander extract that later came to be patented as Anvirzel, were against leukemia).

> Besides oleander and all of the lifestyle and diet recommendations, the following items in particular have exhibited strong anti-leukemia results and activity, and if it were me I would not do without a single one of them, and I would take all of them in quantity:

> Black seed oil (Nigella Sativa)

> Inositol/IP6

> Curcumin

> Blood Support Tonic

> Plant Derived Trace Minerals

> Vitamin D3 (from sunshine and/or supplementation)

> Google searches for each of the items plus leukemia (except the blood tonic, where the search should be for the individual ingredients in the tonic plus leukemia) will produce links to positive results for their use against leukemia.

> I would also include the product OxyGen , which should be good against leukemia and virtually all kinds of cancer.

> All the best,

> >