Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 This group encouraged me enough so that I rejected the usual cut, burn, poison route and started slowly with JB diet last August. Now I would like to report briefly what I have been doing and the outcome to date which may be an encouragement to those who have a similar problem and start from the same base as me. In July a biopsy confirmed that I had PCa 3+3=6. The urologist was ready with his scalpel but allowed me to see the radiologist first who convinced me that radiation would do the trick, so I bought the very expensive hormone treatment pills he prescribed for me before going to get radiated. Then I had a few weeks grace which I used to study alternative treatments. As a result of doing a lot of reading and internet research I decided to go for alternative treatment. The pills I bought are still in the fridge and so I have had no other treatment than what I describe below. A graph I plotted of the PSA progression showed a doubling time of about 2.5 years and it had reached 11.8 when I had the biopsy. I started slowly in August with the JB protocol which was easier than I thought, though I could not stand the taste of FOCC on salad and I only take it with fruit for breakfast and dinner. Actually I take not much raw vegetables but instead drink fresh carrot and beetroot juice every aternoon and green tea. I take hot veg soup every evening and a glass of red wine. We buy BIO products whenever posible. It was not so difficult to do without animal products thanks to the wonderful support of my wife. (I do miss her chocolate cakes though). Apart from the diet I am taking with each meal A gellule of Sutherlandia OPC and 1500 IU D3 and a few apricot kernels or B17. In the morning I take Selenium and Zinc tablets and a gellule of Milk Thistle. Nuts or oatmeal bicuits I may snack on when I feel like it. It seems that I can get away with eating chocolate (dark, 85% cocoa) to which I am addicted. Apart from the PSA drop the other major effect is a loss of 8kg since I started the diet. I hope not to loose more. One factor that has not changed is the matter urination. It has not got easier and I still have to get up twice a night. I had hoped that as the cancer diminishes the flow should improve. Can anyone comment on this or advise if I can treat this somehow? My PSA has been steadily dropping since I started the protocol apart from an alarming leap in January which I put down to having been tested when I had flu symptoms. The PSA is today at 7.13, thus the PSA value has effectively fallen 40% in just over 7 months. Dare I imagine that by October I will be <4PSA? It is amazing that here in France very few people try alternative methods for PCa. I notice that nearly all postings on the internet on this subject are in English which may be a reason. I am only the second person my urologist has had who turned down the mainstream treatment. But he did say that he might do the same as me if ever he gets the PCa!!!!!!!!!!! Wishing all good progress on their road to recovery Rupert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Congratulations Rupert. What marvellous news! My FIL did one coffee enema per day and now doesn't need to urinate during the night. Despite weight loss when "going raw", he continued to have a heavy feeling very low in his abdomen, which was also slightly distended.It disappeared within a couple of weeks of daily enemas and he now has them twice a week as maintenance. Best wishes, Mara--- On Mon, 3/30/09, rupert wrote: This group encouraged me enough so that I rejected the usual cut, burn, poison route and started slowly with JB diet last August. Now I would like to report briefly what I have been doing and the outcome to date which may be an encouragement to those who have a similar problem and start from the same base as me. In July a biopsy confirmed that I had PCa 3+3=6. The urologist was ready with his scalpel but allowed me to see the radiologist first who convinced me that radiation would do the trick, so I bought the very expensive hormone treatment pills he prescribed for me before going to get radiated. Then I had a few weeks grace which I used to study alternative treatments. As a result of doing a lot of reading and internet research I decided to go for alternative treatment. The pills I bought are still in the fridge and so I have had no other treatment than what I describe below. A graph I plotted of the PSA progression showed a doubling time of about 2.5 years and it had reached 11.8 when I had the biopsy. I started slowly in August with the JB protocol which was easier than I thought, though I could not stand the taste of FOCC on salad and I only take it with fruit for breakfast and dinner. Actually I take not much raw vegetables but instead drink fresh carrot and beetroot juice every aternoon and green tea. I take hot veg soup every evening and a glass of red wine. We buy BIO products whenever posible. It was not so difficult to do without animal products thanks to the wonderful support of my wife. (I do miss her chocolate cakes though). Apart from the diet I am taking with each meal A gellule of Sutherlandia OPC and 1500 IU D3 and a few apricot kernels or B17. In the morning I take Selenium and Zinc tablets and a gellule of Milk Thistle. Nuts or oatmeal bicuits I may snack on when I feel like it. It seems that I can get away with eating chocolate (dark, 85% cocoa) to which I am addicted. Apart from the PSA drop the other major effect is a loss of 8kg since I started the diet. I hope not to loose more. One factor that has not changed is the matter urination. It has not got easier and I still have to get up twice a night. I had hoped that as the cancer diminishes the flow should improve. Can anyone comment on this or advise if I can treat this somehow? My PSA has been steadily dropping since I started the protocol apart from an alarming leap in January which I put down to having been tested when I had flu symptoms. The PSA is today at 7.13, thus the PSA value has effectively fallen 40% in just over 7 months. Dare I imagine that by October I will be <4PSA? It is amazing that here in France very few people try alternative methods for PCa. I notice that nearly all postings on the internet on this subject are in English which may be a reason. I am only the second person my urologist has had who turned down the mainstream treatment. But he did say that he might do the same as me if ever he gets the PCa!!!!!!!!! !! Wishing all good progress on their road to recovery Rupert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 That is wonderful news, Rupert! Have you tried stinging nettle or pygeum for urination problems? Many people swear by saw palmetto but that might not be the best option when cancer is involved. Please keep us posted on how well you are doing and thanks for the testimonial. oleander soup , "rupert.jameson" <rupert.jameson wrote:>> This group encouraged me enough so that I rejected the usual cut, burn, poison route and started slowly with JB diet last August. Now I would like to report briefly what I have been doing and the outcome to date which may be an encouragement to those who have a similar problem and start from the same base as me.> > In July a biopsy confirmed that I had PCa 3+3=6. The urologist was ready with his scalpel but allowed me to see the radiologist first who convinced me that radiation would do the trick, so I bought the very expensive hormone treatment pills he prescribed for me before going to get radiated. Then I had a few weeks grace which I used to study alternative treatments. As a result of doing a lot of reading and internet research I decided to go for alternative treatment. The pills I bought are still in the fridge and so I have had no other treatment than what I describe below.> > A graph I plotted of the PSA progression showed a doubling time of about 2.5 years and it had reached 11.8 when I had the biopsy. I started slowly in August with the JB protocol which was easier than I thought, though I could not stand the taste of FOCC on salad and I only take it with fruit for breakfast and dinner. Actually I take not much raw vegetables but instead drink fresh carrot and beetroot juice every aternoon and green tea. I take hot veg soup every evening and a glass of red wine. We buy BIO products whenever posible. It was not so difficult to do without animal products thanks to the wonderful support of my wife. (I do miss her chocolate cakes though). Apart from the diet I am taking with each meal A gellule of Sutherlandia OPC and 1500 IU D3 and a few apricot kernels or B17. In the morning I take Selenium and Zinc tablets and a gellule of Milk Thistle. Nuts or oatmeal bicuits I may snack on when I feel like it. It seems that I can get away with eating chocolate (dark, 85% cocoa) to which I am addicted. Apart from the PSA drop the other major effect is a loss of 8kg since I started the diet. I hope not to loose more.> > One factor that has not changed is the matter urination. It has not got easier and I still have to get up twice a night. I had hoped that as the cancer diminishes the flow should improve. Can anyone comment on this or advise if I can treat this somehow?> > My PSA has been steadily dropping since I started the protocol apart from an alarming leap in January which I put down to having been tested when I had flu symptoms. The PSA is today at 7.13, thus the PSA value has effectively fallen 40% in just over 7 months. Dare I imagine that by October I will be <4PSA?> > It is amazing that here in France very few people try alternative methods for PCa. I notice that nearly all postings on the internet on this subject are in English which may be a reason. I am only the second person my urologist has had who turned down the mainstream treatment. But he did say that he might do the same as me if ever he gets the PCa!!!!!!!!!!!> > Wishing all good progress on their road to recovery> > Rupert> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Rupert, It sounds like you are doing great. Keep up the good work and keep us informed. Bob - " rupert.jameson " <rupert.jameson <oleander soup > Monday, March 30, 2009 2:24 PM PSA .....Dropping... > This group encouraged me enough so that I rejected the usual cut, burn, > poison route and started slowly with JB diet last August. Now I would like > to report briefly what I have been doing and the outcome to date which may > be an encouragement to those who have a similar problem and start from the > same base as me. > > In July a biopsy confirmed that I had PCa 3+3=6. The urologist was ready > with his scalpel but allowed me to see the radiologist first who convinced > me that radiation would do the trick, so I bought the very expensive > hormone treatment pills he prescribed for me before going to get radiated. > Then I had a few weeks grace which I used to study alternative treatments. > As a result of doing a lot of reading and internet research I decided to > go for alternative treatment. The pills I bought are still in the fridge > and so I have had no other treatment than what I describe below. > > A graph I plotted of the PSA progression showed a doubling time of about > 2.5 years and it had reached 11.8 when I had the biopsy. I started slowly > in August with the JB protocol which was easier than I thought, though I > could not stand the taste of FOCC on salad and I only take it with fruit > for breakfast and dinner. Actually I take not much raw vegetables but > instead drink fresh carrot and beetroot juice every aternoon and green > tea. I take hot veg soup every evening and a glass of red wine. We buy BIO > products whenever posible. It was not so difficult to do without animal > products thanks to the wonderful support of my wife. (I do miss her > chocolate cakes though). Apart from the diet I am taking with each meal A > gellule of Sutherlandia OPC and 1500 IU D3 and a few apricot kernels or > B17. In the morning I take Selenium and Zinc tablets and a gellule of Milk > Thistle. Nuts or oatmeal bicuits I may snack on when I feel like it. It > seems that I can get away with eating chocolate (dark, 85% cocoa) to which > I am addicted. Apart from the PSA drop the other major effect is a loss of > 8kg since I started the diet. I hope not to loose more. > > One factor that has not changed is the matter urination. It has not got > easier and I still have to get up twice a night. I had hoped that as the > cancer diminishes the flow should improve. Can anyone comment on this or > advise if I can treat this somehow? > > My PSA has been steadily dropping since I started the protocol apart from > an alarming leap in January which I put down to having been tested when I > had flu symptoms. The PSA is today at 7.13, thus the PSA value has > effectively fallen 40% in just over 7 months. Dare I imagine that by > October I will be <4PSA? > > It is amazing that here in France very few people try alternative methods > for PCa. I notice that nearly all postings on the internet on this subject > are in English which may be a reason. I am only the second person my > urologist has had who turned down the mainstream treatment. But he did say > that he might do the same as me if ever he gets the PCa!!!!!!!!!!! > > Wishing all good progress on their road to recovery > > Rupert > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Hi Rupert,That is great news. Keep up the good work. I have pasted part of the email that was sent to me by Larry from Essense of Life when I did the Cesium Chloride Protocol. Your email triggered my memory about this article. I have no idea whether this works, as I don't suffer from nocturnal urination except when I am detoxing rapidly. However Larry is apparently a legitimate cancer researcher, so I thought I would forward this on to you and you can evaluate for yourself.Practical Health������� �������"Physicians frequently ask the question about a man's night-time frequency of urination when evaluating his prostate problems. This question seems to imply that the frequency of urination is the result of his prostate being enlarged, and perhaps many physicians believe this is the reason. However, the two are not connect because elderly women who have no prostate can also have the need to go to the bathroom several times during the night. An enlarged prostate can prevent complete emptying of the bladder and increase the frequency of urination, but this is not the major reason for frequent night-time urination.Fluids tend to accumulate in the legs of both men and women as we get older. This is water in the tissue and is exacerbated by the high-sodium, low-potassium in our modern diet. It can become an obvious symptom of someone with congestive heart disease. Gravity tends to keep the fluid in the lower extremities during the day. While we sleep in the horizontal position the fluids are not held down by gravity and are taken out of the tissue to be dumped in the bladder. This action continues during the night and a person with obvious signs of swelling in the feet or ankles will find the swelling greatly reduced by morning.The best way to reduce the retention of fluids is to balance the sodium-potassium in the body. This will also reduce the blood pressure and help prevent congestive heart disease. We can still not return to our youthful state, and some fluid retention during the day with frequent urination during the night is inevitable.During my research on the angle in which we sleep, I have worked with many people suffering from a whole range of illnesses, including multiple sclerosis. During my work with MS, it became clear that when horizontal bed rest was avoided in favour of inclined bed rest, with the head end fifteen cm's or six inches higher at the head end, night time urine frequency was resolved in almost every single case, and there were many. Also oedema was resolved and this flies in the face of the current gravity/physiology relationship.In order to determine what was happening with oedema and urine frequency, my wife and I conducted an experiment which involved measuring the specific gravity (density) of urine during different sleeping postures. We measured, horizontal bedrest, head down tilt bedrest and head up inclined bedrest. What we found was remarkable and can be tested by anyone using a simple hydrometer, the type used in home brew kits, to determine the density of urine.Horizontal bedrest, produced a urine density lower than normal daily activity. Inclined bedrest produced urine density substantially higher that either horizontal bed rest head down tilt bedrest and normal daily activity and as we eat and drank the same during 3 weeks of measuring our urine the results were even more compelling.But here is the crunch for this simple experiment. Head down tilt produced urine of near water density, no salts and mineral were being excreted in the urine! Which means that the salts end up in the bladder because of the effects of gravity on the salts and our posture in relation to the effects of gravity on said salts!An additional effect of gravity on the body in the head up tilt position is the production of more heat during the night and this increases evaporation from the respiratory tract and skin, therefore reducing the amount of urine we produce and increasing the density of the urine produced.I also disagree with the statement, increased night time frequency of urination does not indicate prostrate problems in males, it does how ever indicate that there might be something wrong with sleeping flat in both males and females. http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/09/19/dispelling_the_nighttime_frequent_urination_myth.htm--- On Mon, 3/30/09, rupert.jameson <rupert.jameson wrote:rupert.jameson <rupert.jameson PSA .....Dropping...oleander soup Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 9:24 PM This group encouraged me enough so that I rejected the usual cut, burn, poison route and started slowly with JB diet last August. Now I would like to report briefly what I have been doing and the outcome to date which may be an encouragement to those who have a similar problem and start from the same base as me. In July a biopsy confirmed that I had PCa 3+3=6. The urologist was ready with his scalpel but allowed me to see the radiologist first who convinced me that radiation would do the trick, so I bought the very expensive hormone treatment pills he prescribed for me before going to get radiated. Then I had a few weeks grace which I used to study alternative treatments. As a result of doing a lot of reading and internet research I decided to go for alternative treatment. The pills I bought are still in the fridge and so I have had no other treatment than what I describe below. A graph I plotted of the PSA progression showed a doubling time of about 2.5 years and it had reached 11.8 when I had the biopsy. I started slowly in August with the JB protocol which was easier than I thought, though I could not stand the taste of FOCC on salad and I only take it with fruit for breakfast and dinner. Actually I take not much raw vegetables but instead drink fresh carrot and beetroot juice every aternoon and green tea. I take hot veg soup every evening and a glass of red wine. We buy BIO products whenever posible. It was not so difficult to do without animal products thanks to the wonderful support of my wife. (I do miss her chocolate cakes though). Apart from the diet I am taking with each meal A gellule of Sutherlandia OPC and 1500 IU D3 and a few apricot kernels or B17. In the morning I take Selenium and Zinc tablets and a gellule of Milk Thistle. Nuts or oatmeal bicuits I may snack on when I feel like it. It seems that I can get away with eating chocolate (dark, 85% cocoa) to which I am addicted. Apart from the PSA drop the other major effect is a loss of 8kg since I started the diet. I hope not to loose more. One factor that has not changed is the matter urination. It has not got easier and I still have to get up twice a night. I had hoped that as the cancer diminishes the flow should improve. Can anyone comment on this or advise if I can treat this somehow? My PSA has been steadily dropping since I started the protocol apart from an alarming leap in January which I put down to having been tested when I had flu symptoms. The PSA is today at 7.13, thus the PSA value has effectively fallen 40% in just over 7 months. Dare I imagine that by October I will be <4PSA? It is amazing that here in France very few people try alternative methods for PCa. I notice that nearly all postings on the internet on this subject are in English which may be a reason. I am only the second person my urologist has had who turned down the mainstream treatment. But he did say that he might do the same as me if ever he gets the PCa!!!!!!!!! !! Wishing all good progress on their road to recovery Rupert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Rupert, Congratulations! Way to go! I am looking forward to your report in October. Thank you so much for sharing your progress with us! Warm regards, oleander soup , "rupert.jameson" <rupert.jameson wrote:>> This group encouraged me enough so that I rejected the usual cut, burn, poison route and started slowly with JB diet last August. Now I would like to report briefly what I have been doing and the outcome to date which may be an encouragement to those who have a similar problem and start from the same base as me.> > In July a biopsy confirmed that I had PCa 3+3=6. The urologist was ready with his scalpel but allowed me to see the radiologist first who convinced me that radiation would do the trick, so I bought the very expensive hormone treatment pills he prescribed for me before going to get radiated. Then I had a few weeks grace which I used to study alternative treatments. As a result of doing a lot of reading and internet research I decided to go for alternative treatment. The pills I bought are still in the fridge and so I have had no other treatment than what I describe below.> > A graph I plotted of the PSA progression showed a doubling time of about 2.5 years and it had reached 11.8 when I had the biopsy. I started slowly in August with the JB protocol which was easier than I thought, though I could not stand the taste of FOCC on salad and I only take it with fruit for breakfast and dinner. Actually I take not much raw vegetables but instead drink fresh carrot and beetroot juice every aternoon and green tea. I take hot veg soup every evening and a glass of red wine. We buy BIO products whenever posible. It was not so difficult to do without animal products thanks to the wonderful support of my wife. (I do miss her chocolate cakes though). Apart from the diet I am taking with each meal A gellule of Sutherlandia OPC and 1500 IU D3 and a few apricot kernels or B17. In the morning I take Selenium and Zinc tablets and a gellule of Milk Thistle. Nuts or oatmeal bicuits I may snack on when I feel like it. It seems that I can get away with eating chocolate (dark, 85% cocoa) to which I am addicted. Apart from the PSA drop the other major effect is a loss of 8kg since I started the diet. I hope not to loose more.> > One factor that has not changed is the matter urination. It has not got easier and I still have to get up twice a night. I had hoped that as the cancer diminishes the flow should improve. Can anyone comment on this or advise if I can treat this somehow?> > My PSA has been steadily dropping since I started the protocol apart from an alarming leap in January which I put down to having been tested when I had flu symptoms. The PSA is today at 7.13, thus the PSA value has effectively fallen 40% in just over 7 months. Dare I imagine that by October I will be <4PSA?> > It is amazing that here in France very few people try alternative methods for PCa. I notice that nearly all postings on the internet on this subject are in English which may be a reason. I am only the second person my urologist has had who turned down the mainstream treatment. But he did say that he might do the same as me if ever he gets the PCa!!!!!!!!!!!> > Wishing all good progress on their road to recovery> > Rupert> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Hi Eva, Thanks for your message which I read with interest. I might experiment though I have no problem of heart disease or oedema Regards, Rupert--- En date de : Mar 31.3.09, Eva Klein-Otis <eklein.otis a écrit : De: Eva Klein-Otis <eklein.otisObjet: Re: PSA .....Dropping...À: oleander soup Date: Mardi 31 Mars 2009, 4h10 Hi Rupert,That is great news. Keep up the good work. I have pasted part of the email that was sent to me by Larry from Essense of Life when I did the Cesium Chloride Protocol. Your email triggered my memory about this article. I have no idea whether this works, as I don't suffer from nocturnal urination except when I am detoxing rapidly. However Larry is apparently a legitimate cancer researcher, so I thought I would forward this on to you and you can evaluate for yourself.Practical Health������� �������"Physicians frequently ask the question about a man's night-time frequency of urination when evaluating his prostate problems. This question seems to imply that the frequency of urination is the result of his prostate being enlarged, and perhaps many physicians believe this is the reason. However, the two are not connect because elderly women who have no prostate can also have the need to go to the bathroom several times during the night. An enlarged prostate can prevent complete emptying of the bladder and increase the frequency of urination, but this is not the major reason for frequent night-time urination.Fluids tend to accumulate in the legs of both men and women as we get older. This is water in the tissue and is exacerbated by the high-sodium, low-potassium in our modern diet. It can become an obvious symptom of someone with congestive heart disease. Gravity tends to keep the fluid in the lower extremities during the day. While we sleep in the horizontal position the fluids are not held down by gravity and are taken out of the tissue to be dumped in the bladder. This action continues during the night and a person with obvious signs of swelling in the feet or ankles will find the swelling greatly reduced by morning.The best way to reduce the retention of fluids is to balance the sodium-potassium in the body. This will also reduce the blood pressure and help prevent congestive heart disease. We can still not return to our youthful state, and some fluid retention during the day with frequent urination during the night is inevitable.During my research on the angle in which we sleep, I have worked with many people suffering from a whole range of illnesses, including multiple sclerosis. During my work with MS, it became clear that when horizontal bed rest was avoided in favour of inclined bed rest, with the head end fifteen cm's or six inches higher at the head end, night time urine frequency was resolved in almost every single case, and there were many. Also oedema was resolved and this flies in the face of the current gravity/physiology relationship.In order to determine what was happening with oedema and urine frequency, my wife and I conducted an experiment which involved measuring the specific gravity (density) of urine during different sleeping postures. We measured, horizontal bedrest, head down tilt bedrest and head up inclined bedrest. What we found was remarkable and can be tested by anyone using a simple hydrometer, the type used in home brew kits, to determine the density of urine.Horizontal bedrest, produced a urine density lower than normal daily activity. Inclined bedrest produced urine density substantially higher that either horizontal bed rest head down tilt bedrest and normal daily activity and as we eat and drank the same during 3 weeks of measuring our urine the results were even more compelling.But here is the crunch for this simple experiment. Head down tilt produced urine of near water density, no salts and mineral were being excreted in the urine! Which means that the salts end up in the bladder because of the effects of gravity on the salts and our posture in relation to the effects of gravity on said salts!An additional effect of gravity on the body in the head up tilt position is the production of more heat during the night and this increases evaporation from the respiratory tract and skin, therefore reducing the amount of urine we produce and increasing the density of the urine produced.I also disagree with the statement, increased night time frequency of urination does not indicate prostrate problems in males, it does how ever indicate that there might be something wrong with sleeping flat in both males and females.http://www.newmedia explorer. org/chris/ 2003/09/19/ dispelling_ the_nighttime_ frequent_ urination_ myth.htm--- On Mon, 3/30/09, rupert.jameson <rupert.jameson@ > wrote: rupert.jameson <rupert.jameson@ > PSA .....Dropping. ..oleander soupMonday, March 30, 2009, 9:24 PM This group encouraged me enough so that I rejected the usual cut, burn, poison route and started slowly with JB diet last August. Now I would like to report briefly what I have been doing and the outcome to date which may be an encouragement to those who have a similar problem and start from the same base as me.In July a biopsy confirmed that I had PCa 3+3=6. The urologist was ready with his scalpel but allowed me to see the radiologist first who convinced me that radiation would do the trick, so I bought the very expensive hormone treatment pills he prescribed for me before going to get radiated. Then I had a few weeks grace which I used to study alternative treatments. As a result of doing a lot of reading and internet research I decided to go for alternative treatment. The pills I bought are still in the fridge and so I have had no other treatment than what I describe below.A graph I plotted of the PSA progression showed a doubling time of about 2.5 years and it had reached 11.8 when I had the biopsy. I started slowly in August with the JB protocol which was easier than I thought, though I could not stand the taste of FOCC on salad and I only take it with fruit for breakfast and dinner. Actually I take not much raw vegetables but instead drink fresh carrot and beetroot juice every aternoon and green tea. I take hot veg soup every evening and a glass of red wine. We buy BIO products whenever posible. It was not so difficult to do without animal products thanks to the wonderful support of my wife. (I do miss her chocolate cakes though). Apart from the diet I am taking with each meal A gellule of Sutherlandia OPC and 1500 IU D3 and a few apricot kernels or B17. In the morning I take Selenium and Zinc tablets and a gellule of Milk Thistle. Nuts or oatmeal bicuits I may snack on when I feel like it. It seems that I can get away with eating chocolate (dark, 85% cocoa) to which I am addicted. Apart from the PSA drop the other major effect is a loss of 8kg since I started the diet. I hope not to loose more.One factor that has not changed is the matter urination. It has not got easier and I still have to get up twice a night. I had hoped that as the cancer diminishes the flow should improve. Can anyone comment on this or advise if I can treat this somehow?My PSA has been steadily dropping since I started the protocol apart from an alarming leap in January which I put down to having been tested when I had flu symptoms. The PSA is today at 7.13, thus the PSA value has effectively fallen 40% in just over 7 months. Dare I imagine that by October I will be <4PSA?It is amazing that here in France very few people try alternative methods for PCa. I notice that nearly all postings on the internet on this subject are in English which may be a reason. I am only the second person my urologist has had who turned down the mainstream treatment. But he did say that he might do the same as me if ever he gets the PCa!!!!!!!!! !!Wishing all good progress on their road to recoveryRupert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Thanks Macaruja, I think that I will have to try it Rupert--- En date de : Mar 31.3.09, Maracuja <howdurdago a écrit : De: Maracuja <howdurdagoObjet: Re: PSA .....Dropping...À: oleander soup Date: Mardi 31 Mars 2009, 2h52 Congratulations Rupert. What marvellous news! My FIL did one coffee enema per day and now doesn't need to urinate during the night. Despite weight loss when "going raw", he continued to have a heavy feeling very low in his abdomen, which was also slightly distended.It disappeared within a couple of weeks of daily enemas and he now has them twice a week as maintenance. Best wishes, Mara--- On Mon, 3/30/09, rupert wrote: This group encouraged me enough so that I rejected the usual cut, burn, poison route and started slowly with JB diet last August. Now I would like to report briefly what I have been doing and the outcome to date which may be an encouragement to those who have a similar problem and start from the same base as me.In July a biopsy confirmed that I had PCa 3+3=6. The urologist was ready with his scalpel but allowed me to see the radiologist first who convinced me that radiation would do the trick, so I bought the very expensive hormone treatment pills he prescribed for me before going to get radiated. Then I had a few weeks grace which I used to study alternative treatments. As a result of doing a lot of reading and internet research I decided to go for alternative treatment. The pills I bought are still in the fridge and so I have had no other treatment than what I describe below.A graph I plotted of the PSA progression showed a doubling time of about 2.5 years and it had reached 11.8 when I had the biopsy. I started slowly in August with the JB protocol which was easier than I thought, though I could not stand the taste of FOCC on salad and I only take it with fruit for breakfast and dinner. Actually I take not much raw vegetables but instead drink fresh carrot and beetroot juice every aternoon and green tea. I take hot veg soup every evening and a glass of red wine. We buy BIO products whenever posible. It was not so difficult to do without animal products thanks to the wonderful support of my wife. (I do miss her chocolate cakes though). Apart from the diet I am taking with each meal A gellule of Sutherlandia OPC and 1500 IU D3 and a few apricot kernels or B17. In the morning I take Selenium and Zinc tablets and a gellule of Milk Thistle. Nuts or oatmeal bicuits I may snack on when I feel like it. It seems that I can get away with eating chocolate (dark, 85% cocoa) to which I am addicted. Apart from the PSA drop the other major effect is a loss of 8kg since I started the diet. I hope not to loose more.One factor that has not changed is the matter urination. It has not got easier and I still have to get up twice a night. I had hoped that as the cancer diminishes the flow should improve. Can anyone comment on this or advise if I can treat this somehow?My PSA has been steadily dropping since I started the protocol apart from an alarming leap in January which I put down to having been tested when I had flu symptoms. The PSA is today at 7.13, thus the PSA value has effectively fallen 40% in just over 7 months. Dare I imagine that by October I will be <4PSA?It is amazing that here in France very few people try alternative methods for PCa. I notice that nearly all postings on the internet on this subject are in English which may be a reason. I am only the second person my urologist has had who turned down the mainstream treatment. But he did say that he might do the same as me if ever he gets the PCa!!!!!!!!! !!Wishing all good progress on their road to recoveryRupert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 oleander soup , " rupert.jameson " <rupert.jameson wrote: > One factor that has not changed is the matter urination. It has not got easier and I still have to get up twice a night. I had hoped that as the cancer diminishes the flow should improve. Can anyone comment on this or advise if I can treat this somehow? > Rupert I would certainly give a shot at beta-sistosterol. I used to have to get up 3 or 4 times a night also. Now I don't have to get up at all. Not only will it help your prostate but it also lowers cholesterol. The recommended amount for people with BPH in an article I read was 2000 mg per day and for those with prostate cancer it was up to 4000 mg per day. I lowered my dosage to 1000 mg per day after my cholesterol dropped in my opinion too low. It went down from 220 to less than 150 now stabilized at 180. My PSA went down from 3.2 to 1.0 in my last test. Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 My PSA went down from 3.2 to 1.0 in my last test. How wonderful Jack! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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