Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Greetings to everyone!I would like to ask Tony if he has knowledge of the DCA ( the "drug" that a Greek doctor from the university of Canada, announced that it might be the solution for cancer) and which is his opinion.Many thanks Efi Ãñå. ×ñçóéìïðïéåßôå ÂáñåèÞêáôå ôá åíï÷ëçôéêÜ ìçíý ìáôá (spam); Ôï Mail äéáèÝôåé ôçí êáëýôåñç äõíáôÞ ðñïóôáóßá êáôÜ ôùí åíï÷ëçôéêþí ìçíõìÜôùí http://login./config/mail?.intl=gr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 You can gather a lot of information yourself by doing a google search of " DCA " and " cancer " . The drug looked very promising at first, both in petri dishes and in lab mice. Drug companies would not fund human trials, however. But the people up at the University of Alberta gathered a couple of million from private donations and forged ahead. (They are still working on these). There is a website (I believe it is the dcasite.org or something like that) where some doctors and patients are discussing their results of taking DCA. These results don't look so good. Yes, there are some patients who have had remissions, but apparently many don't -- not like the rats did! There are whole protocols surrounding taking DCA -- drinking lots of black tea and taking lots of B1 vitamins, I think... But in reading this website, it looks like a " one bullet " approach to me. And be careful -- DCA has side effects too. Go ahead and check it out on the web. Maybe others can chime in. I believe our friend Mike Golden knows a fair amount about this drug. Hopefully he can add his two cents. oleander soup , efi noname <empasi_home wrote: > > Greetings to everyone! > I would like to ask Tony if he has knowledge of the DCA ( the " drug " that a Greek doctor from the university of Canada, announced that it might be the solution for cancer) and which is his opinion. > > Many thanks > Efi > > > > Ãñå. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________ > ×ñçóéìïðïéåßôå ; > ÂáñåèÞêáôå ôá åíï÷ëçôéêÜ ìçíýìáôá (spam); Ôï Mail > äéáèÝôåé ôçí êáëýôåñç äõíáôÞ ðñïóôáóßá êáôÜ ôùí åíï÷ëçôéêþí > ìçíõìÜôùí http://login./config/mail?.intl=gr > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I was initially intrigued by DCA but the more I checked the less impressed I was. Positive results in mice have not transferred over to humans as far as I can tell and in the final analysis it is an unnatural drug with side effects. It is not something I would recommend or take myself. oleander soup , efi noname <empasi_home wrote: > > Greetings to everyone! > I would like to ask Tony if he has knowledge of the DCA ( the " drug " that a Greek doctor from the university of Canada, announced that it might be the solution for cancer) and which is his opinion. > > Many thanks > Efi > > > > Ãñå. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________ > ×ñçóéìïðïéåßôå ; > ÂáñåèÞêáôå ôá åíï÷ëçôéêÜ ìçíýìáôá (spam); Ôï Mail > äéáèÝôåé ôçí êáëýôåñç äõíáôÞ ðñïóôáóßá êáôÜ ôùí åíï÷ëçôéêþí > ìçíõìÜôùí http://login./config/mail?.intl=gr > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Thank you Tony for your reply. I trust you and your opinion is valuable for me.Love and lightEfi--- Στις Τετ., 18/03/09, ο/η Tony ÎγÏαψε:Από: Tony ΘÎμα: Re: DCAÎ Ïος: oleander soup ΗμεÏομηνία: ΤετάÏτη, 18 ΜάÏτιος 2009, 23:24 I was initially intrigued by DCA but the more I checked the less impressed I was. Positive results in mice have not transferred over to humans as far as I can tell and in the final analysis it is an unnatural drug with side effects. It is not something I would recommend or take myself. oleander soup, efi noname <empasi_home@ ...> wrote: > > Greetings to everyone! > I would like to ask Tony if he has knowledge of the DCA ( the "drug" that a Greek doctor from the university of Canada, announced that it might be the solution for cancer) and which is his opinion. > > Many thanks > Efi > > > > Ãñå. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > ×ñçóéìïðïéåßôå ; > ÂáñåèÞêáôå ôá Ã¥Ãï÷ëçôéêÜ ìçÃýìáôá (spam); Ôï Mail > äéáèÃôåé ôçà êáëýôåñç äõÃáôÞ ðñïóôáóßá êáôÜ ôùà åÃï÷ëçôéêþà > ìçÃõìÜôùà http://login. / config/mail? .intl=gr > ΧÏησιμοποιείτε ΒαÏεθήκατε τα ενοχλητικά Î¼Î·Î½Ï Î¼Î±Ï„Î± (spam); Το Mail διαθÎτει την καλÏτεÏη δυνατή Ï€Ïοστασία κατά των ενοχλητικών μηνυμάτων http://login./config/mail?.intl=gr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 On the one hand, the attitude around the DCA site seems to be "Let's roll up our sleeves and figure this out ourselves!" I totally understand this and even admire what people are doing. On the other hand, DCA is a perfect example of how something can look promising in early phases, then sort of fizzle. Not fail entirely, just fizzle. There are a number of remissions on DCA, too many to be due to chance. The latest take is that the successful ones had the greatest consumption of caffeine, especially of black tea. How they chose that one thing to look at I'm not sure. Anyway, a similarly reported, university originated potential "cure" with a backstory having some similarities to DCA might be 3-bromopyruvate. This one can kill cancer cells, even whole tumors, in animals within minutes of a single arterial application. It might even work intravenously. It sounds good because it stops glycolysis briefly. Loss of glycolysis means death to cancer cells. Like DCA, 3-bromopyruvate is currently tied up in academic bickering, or, at least, that's the cover story. In reality it's as cheap as dirt so it will probably never see the light of day. And then there's that macrophage stimulating factor that counters nagalase......don't get me started. Mike--- On Wed, 3/18/09, jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10 wrote: jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10 Re: DCAoleander soup Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 7:27 PM You can gather a lot of information yourself by doing a google search of "DCA" and "cancer".The drug looked very promising at first, both in petri dishes and in lab mice. Drug companies would not fund human trials, however. But the people up at the University of Alberta gathered a couple of million from private donations and forged ahead. (They are still working on these).There is a website (I believe it is the dcasite.org or something like that) where some doctors and patients are discussing their results of taking DCA. These results don't look so good. Yes, there are some patients who have had remissions, but apparently many don't -- not like the rats did!There are whole protocols surrounding taking DCA -- drinking lots of black tea and taking lots of B1 vitamins, I think... But in reading this website, it looks like a "one bullet" approach to me. And be careful -- DCA has side effects too. Go ahead and check it out on the web. Maybe others can chime in. I believe our friend Mike Golden knows a fair amount about this drug. Hopefully he can add his two cents. oleander soup, efi noname <empasi_home@ ...> wrote:>> Greetings to everyone!> I would like to ask Tony if he has knowledge of the DCA ( the "drug" that a Greek doctor from the university of Canada, announced that it might be the solution for cancer) and which is his opinion.> > Many thanks > Efi> > > > > > > > > > > Ãñå.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > ×ñçóéìïðïéåßôå ; > ÂáñåèÞêáôå ôá åíï÷ëçôéêÜ ìçíýìáôá (spam); Ôï Mail > äéáèÝôåé ôçí êáëýôåñç äõíáôÞ ðñïóôáóßá êáôÜ ôùí åíï÷ëçôéêþí > ìçíõìÜôùí http://login. / config/mail? .intl=gr> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 The next obvious question is -- How can one get his or her hands on this dirt-cheap substance? (3-bromopyruvate)? oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote: > > On the one hand, the attitude around the DCA site seems to be " Let's roll up our sleeves and figure this out ourselves! " I totally understand this and even admire what people are doing. On the other hand, DCA is a perfect example of how something can look promising in early phases, then sort of fizzle. Not fail entirely, just fizzle. There are a number of remissions on DCA, too many to be due to chance. The latest take is that the successful ones had the greatest consumption of caffeine, especially of black tea. How they chose that one thing to look at I'm not sure. Anyway, a similarly reported, university originated potential " cure " with a backstory having some similarities to DCA might be 3-bromopyruvate. > This one can kill cancer cells, even whole tumors, in animals within minutes of a single arterial application. It might even work intravenously. It sounds good because it stops glycolysis briefly. Loss of glycolysis means death to cancer cells. Like DCA, 3-bromopyruvate is currently tied up in academic bickering, or, at least, that's the cover story. In reality it's as cheap as dirt so it will probably never see the light of day. > And then there's that macrophage stimulating factor that counters nagalase......don't get me started. > > Mike > > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10 wrote: > > > jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10 > Re: DCA > oleander soup > Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 7:27 PM You can gather a lot of information yourself by doing a google search of " DCA " and " cancer " . > > The drug looked very promising at first, both in petri dishes and in lab mice. Drug companies would not fund human trials, however. But the people up at the University of Alberta gathered a couple of million from private donations and forged ahead. (They are still working on these). > > There is a website (I believe it is the dcasite.org or something like that) where some doctors and patients are discussing their results of taking DCA.. These results don't look so good. Yes, there are some patients who have had remissions, but apparently many don't -- not like the rats did! > > There are whole protocols surrounding taking DCA -- drinking lots of black tea and taking lots of B1 vitamins, I think... But in reading this website, it looks like a " one bullet " approach to me. > > And be careful -- DCA has side effects too. > > Go ahead and check it out on the web. Maybe others can chime in. I believe our friend Mike Golden knows a fair amount about this drug. Hopefully he can add his two cents. > > oleander soup, efi noname <empasi_home@ ...> wrote: > > > > Greetings to everyone! > > I would like to ask Tony if he has knowledge of the DCA ( the " drug " that a Greek doctor from the university of Canada, announced that it might be the solution for cancer) and which is his opinion. > > > > Many thanks > > Efi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãñå. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > ×ñçóéìïðïéåßôå ; > > ÂáñåèÞêáôå ôá åíï÷ëçôéêÜ ìçíýìáôá (spam); Ôï Mail > > äéáèÝôåé ôçí êáëýôåñç äõíáôÞ ðñïóôáóßá êáôÜ ôùí åíï÷ëçôéêþí > > ìçíõìÜôùí http://login. / config/mail? .intl=gr > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 And the followup is: Why would anyone want to? oleander soup , "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:>> The next obvious question is --> > How can one get his or her hands on this dirt-cheap substance? (3-bromopyruvate)?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Well, the 100% success rate in the limited laboratory experiment sure caught my attention. oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > > And the followup is: > > Why would anyone want to? > > > > > oleander soup , " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10@> wrote: > > > > The next obvious question is -- > > > > How can one get his or her hands on this dirt-cheap substance? > (3-bromopyruvate)? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 You can get 3-bromopyruvateover the web but you cannot find oral dosage information because it cannot be taken orally. See: http://scienceblogs.com/terrasig/2007/04/at_the_risk_of_promoting_anoth.php "3-BrPA is a great experimental tool but it cannot be taken orally" and "3-bromopyruvate, or 3-bromopyruvic acid (3-BrPA), is an inhibitor of an enzyme called hexokinase II. Hexokinase II is required for the first step of using glucose as a substrate to make ATP and or lactate. Unfortunately, 3-BrPA will inhibit both glycolysis and normal oxidative phosphorylation (the latter resulting from its complexing with ATP synthase), requiring that the drug be injected directly into the artery that feeds the tumor, and still at very high concentrations (5 mM)." - Steve oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of TonyThursday, March 19, 2009 9:57 AMoleander soup Subject: Re: DCA And the followup is: Why would anyone want to? oleander soup , "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:>> The next obvious question is --> > How can one get his or her hands on this dirt-cheap substance? (3-bromopyruvate)?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I understand - it caught mine too. But it did not translate to humans, as is too often the case with rodent studies. It makes for a good marketing tool for fundraising though. The bottom line to me is that DCA is a man-created drug complete with side effects and I have seen no evidence whatsoever that it would be beneficial to use when there are so many natural and alternative items that are safer and more effective. oleander soup , "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:>> Well, the 100% success rate in the limited laboratory experiment sure caught my attention.> > oleander soup , "Tony" @ wrote:> >> > > > And the followup is:> > > > Why would anyone want to?> > > > Tony> > > > > > oleander soup , "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10@> wrote:> > >> > > The next obvious question is --> > >> > > How can one get his or her hands on this dirt-cheap substance?> > (3-bromopyruvate)?> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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