Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Hi Tony, I am in need of a liver cleanse. Would it be best for me to start with a gallbladder or kidney cleanse first? I have been reading through some of your website and think I am on the right track. Would you be so kind as to direct me? Thanks, Kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I know I'm not Tony but this is a great article on the correct way to detox: http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/detox/clean.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Hi Kelly, Thought I would just add something... I'm in no way answering for Tony, He knows just about everything! It is best to do a parasite cleanse before a liver/gallbladder flush. Start with it first, it is more successful this way. Tammatha - Kelly DiBacco oleander soup Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:13 PM cleanse Hi Tony, I am in need of a liver cleanse. Would it be best for me to start with a gallbladder or kidney cleanse first? I have been reading through some of your website and think I am on the right track. Would you be so kind as to direct me? Thanks, Kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Because parasite cleansing usually takes some time, several rounds of six weeks at a time, in order to get the complete life-cycle of the parasite, in my opinion (based on what I see with clients) one should begin with digestive tract cleansing and liver/gallbladder cleansing to get the immune system up and functioning as well as a clean liver (usually from years of toxic food and conventional medicine), followed by a parasite cleanse, another digestive tract and liver liver/gallbladder cleanse and then moving on to heavy metals, etc. While I would never say there is only one way to cleanse, personally and clinically I have found that this order works best since getting the digestive tract and liver cleansed actually begins the journey to good health – effective absorption, assimilation and transportation of nutrients and supplements. This is important so that protocols can begin to work effectively very quickly. And if the products, especially the probiotics, that are being used to cleanse with are effective enough, one will be laying ground work in making the terrain much less hospitable for most parasites including candida. Be Well Loretta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 The alternative practitioner that I have been going to for a number of years says to do the parasite cleanse first and that is what I did and it worked well this way for me. I'm currently doing another of many liver flushes right now, they are no fun for sure. So what I'm saying is it depends whom you talk to I guess. Whom ever you trust and has had the experience is a good place to start with the programs. The parasite cleanses are much easier and I feel that a liver/gallbladder flush (for someone who has not done any kind of detoxing) can be a tall order maybe a bit intimidating. It is not for the faint of heart, Epsom Salt tastes nasty! Nothing I mean nothing can camouflage it either. Tammatha - Dr. Loretta Lanphier oleander soup Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:47 PM RE: cleanse Because parasite cleansing usually takes some time, several rounds of six weeks at a time, in order to get the complete life-cycle of the parasite, in my opinion (based on what I see with clients) one should begin with digestive tract cleansing and liver/gallbladder cleansing to get the immune system up and functioning as well as a clean liver (usually from years of toxic food and conventional medicine), followed by a parasite cleanse, another digestive tract and liver liver/gallbladder cleanse and then moving on to heavy metals, etc. While I would never say there is only one way to cleanse, personally and clinically I have found that this order works best since getting the digestive tract and liver cleansed actually begins the journey to good health – effective absorption, assimilation and transportation of nutrients and supplements. This is important so that protocols can begin to work effectively very quickly. And if the products, especially the probiotics, that are being used to cleanse with are effective enough, one will be laying ground work in making the terrain much less hospitable for most parasites including candida.Be WellLoretta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Like I said, nothing is set in stone and, of course, different docs will have different protocols. However, liver/gallbladder cleansing is not bad at all if one knows and uses some “tricks of the trade” and is thoroughly informed as to what can be expected. One thing to camouflage the taste of Epsom Salts is to dissolve it in a bit of warm purified water and then add cold, freshly squeezed organic grapefruit juice -- use a straw to slam it down. It works well. I have been cleansing for over nine years, personally and with clients. It’s not my favorite thing to do either, but very necessary for healing and wellness. The digestive tract is where most of the immune system is located and it is imperative that it get cleansed along with the liver. At one time I did a cleanse 1x a week for almost two months. I remember griping about it and being told that I should work on learning to appreciate the fact that I had been guided to a path of healing and this was a very important part of that path. Needless to say, I didn’t say another word about cleansing. J As much as I dreaded the cleanses, I felt absolutely wonderful and my skin looked amazing. I have seen many people go through tremendous Herxheimer symptoms when beginning a natural health protocol simply because they did not take the time to take a couple of steps back and cleanse their liver/gallbladder first. Those that cleanse, in the very beginning, and then continue to frequently cleanse are the ones that usually feel the best, look the best and get the biggest bang for their buck as far as how well their diet and supplements work. When dealing with disease, supporting the immune system must be top priority. Be Well Loretta The alternative practitioner that I have been going to for a number of years says to do the parasite cleanse first and that is what I did and it worked well this way for me. I'm currently doing another of many liver flushes right now, they are no fun for sure. So what I'm saying is it depends whom you talk to I guess. Whom ever you trust and has had the experience is a good place to start with the programs. The parasite cleanses are much easier and I feel that a liver/gallbladder flush (for someone who has not done any kind of detoxing) can be a tall order maybe a bit intimidating. It is not for the faint of heart, Epsom Salt tastes nasty! Nothing I mean nothing can camouflage it either. Tammatha ----- Original Message ----- Because parasite cleansing usually takes some time, several rounds of six weeks at a time, in order to get the complete life-cycle of the parasite, in my opinion (based on what I see with clients) one should begin with digestive tract cleansing and liver/gallbladder cleansing to get the immune system up and functioning as well as a clean liver (usually from years of toxic food and conventional medicine), followed by a parasite cleanse, another digestive tract and liver liver/gallbladder cleanse and then moving on to heavy metals, etc. While I would never say there is only one way to cleanse, personally and clinically I have found that this order works best since getting the digestive tract and liver cleansed actually begins the journey to good health – effective absorption, assimilation and transportation of nutrients and supplements. This is important so that protocols can begin to work effectively very quickly. And if the products, especially the probiotics, that are being used to cleanse with are effective enough, one will be laying ground work in making the terrain much less hospitable for most parasites including candida. Be Well Loretta _,_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Yes you are so right, I do the grapefruit too it helps, but it still yucky. LOL! And yes, it is amazing the results, I too have done many flushes and also do colon hydrotherapy and it has worked wonders for my health and my skin has benefited twentyfold from it. I think I'm gripping and really feeling it because like I said I'm doing one right now and I'm off to go down the salt and juice and olive oil right now Blah.....lol. yuk phewy. It is whatever works for the individual and what they can handle, slowly wading into is usually the most that people can do. We both have beat the ugly C so we know what worked for us at the very least. Tammatha - Dr. Loretta Lanphier oleander soup Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:47 PM RE: cleanse Like I said, nothing is set in stone and, of course, different docs will have different protocols. However, liver/gallbladder cleansing is not bad at all if one knows and uses some “tricks of the trade” and is thoroughly informed as to what can be expected. One thing to camouflage the taste of Epsom Salts is to dissolve it in a bit of warm purified water and then add cold, freshly squeezed organic grapefruit juice -- use a straw to slam it down. It works well. I have been cleansing for over nine years, personally and with clients. It’s not my favorite thing to do either, but very necessary for healing and wellness. The digestive tract is where most of the immune system is located and it is imperative that it get cleansed along with the liver. At one time I did a cleanse 1x a week for almost two months. I remember griping about it and being told that I should work on learning to appreciate the fact that I had been guided to a path of healing and this was a very important part of that path. Needless to say, I didn’t say another word about cleansing. J As much as I dreaded the cleanses, I felt absolutely wonderful and my skin looked amazing. I have seen many people go through tremendous Herxheimer symptoms when beginning a natural health protocol simply because they did not take the time to take a couple of steps back and cleanse their liver/gallbladder first. Those that cleanse, in the very beginning, and then continue to frequently cleanse are the ones that usually feel the best, look the best and get the biggest bang for their buck as far as how well their diet and supplements work. When dealing with disease, supporting the immune system must be top priority. Be WellLoretta The alternative practitioner that I have been going to for a number of years says to do the parasite cleanse first and that is what I did and it worked well this way for me. I'm currently doing another of many liver flushes right now, they are no fun for sure. So what I'm saying is it depends whom you talk to I guess. Whom ever you trust and has had the experience is a good place to start with the programs. The parasite cleanses are much easier and I feel that a liver/gallbladder flush (for someone who has not done any kind of detoxing) can be a tall order maybe a bit intimidating. It is not for the faint of heart, Epsom Salt tastes nasty! Nothing I mean nothing can camouflage it either. Tammatha - Because parasite cleansing usually takes some time, several rounds of six weeks at a time, in order to get the complete life-cycle of the parasite, in my opinion (based on what I see with clients) one should begin with digestive tract cleansing and liver/gallbladder cleansing to get the immune system up and functioning as well as a clean liver (usually from years of toxic food and conventional medicine), followed by a parasite cleanse, another digestive tract and liver liver/gallbladder cleanse and then moving on to heavy metals, etc. While I would never say there is only one way to cleanse, personally and clinically I have found that this order works best since getting the digestive tract and liver cleansed actually begins the journey to good health – effective absorption, assimilation and transportation of nutrients and supplements. This is important so that protocols can begin to work effectively very quickly. And if the products, especially the probiotics, that are being used to cleanse with are effective enough, one will be laying ground work in making the terrain much less hospitable for most parasites including candida.Be WellLoretta _,_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Hi Loretta, You said you did a cleanse 1x a week for almost two months. You mean a liver/gallbladder flush? Is it ok to do them that often? Usually I see that it's recommended to do it no more often than once every two weeks or more. From your experience, what is the most number of flushes your clients had to do before they started feeling a difference from liver cleansing? I'm really committed to getting all the stones out and then doing the flush a couple times a year for maintenance. I've done 8 so far this time around (and 2 or 3 some years ago), but I haven't noticed too much change. I'm mostly dealing with candida. I've been doing a lot of other things as well, including what recommends. I've done a lot of intestinal cleansing and now doing kidney cleansing as well. I actually really look forward to the liver flushes. I can't wait till the weekend comes when I can do it again, even though I actually end up waking up in the middle of the night and throwing up half the time when I do the liver flush. That part is definitely not fun. Even when that happens the cleanse still works every time. I've gotten rid of around 2000 stones so far. The sooner I can get that stuff out the better! It would be great if I could do it every week. My understanding was that you can drain your body of alkaline minerals when doing these flushes too often or doing coffee enemas too often, because a lot of bile is being flushed when you do this and it can deplete the body. Any thoughts? Thanks, Katy oleander soup , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <drlanphier wrote: > > Like I said, nothing is set in stone and, of course, different docs will > have different protocols. However, liver/gallbladder cleansing is not bad > at all if one knows and uses some " tricks of the trade " and is thoroughly > informed as to what can be expected. One thing to camouflage the taste of > Epsom Salts is to dissolve it in a bit of warm purified water and then add > cold, freshly squeezed organic grapefruit juice -- use a straw to slam it > down. It works well. I have been cleansing for over nine years, personally > and with clients. It's not my favorite thing to do either, but very > necessary for healing and wellness. The digestive tract is where most of > the immune system is located and it is imperative that it get cleansed along > with the liver. At one time I did a cleanse 1x a week for almost two > months. I remember griping about it and being told that I should work on > learning to appreciate the fact that I had been guided to a path of healing > and this was a very important part of that path. Needless to say, I didn't > say another word about cleansing. J As much as I dreaded the cleanses, I > felt absolutely wonderful and my skin looked amazing. I have seen many > people go through tremendous Herxheimer symptoms when beginning a natural > health protocol simply because they did not take the time to take a couple > of steps back and cleanse their liver/gallbladder first. Those that > cleanse, in the very beginning, and then continue to frequently cleanse are > the ones that usually feel the best, look the best and get the biggest bang > for their buck as far as how well their diet and supplements work. When > dealing with disease, supporting the immune system must be top priority. > > > > Be Well > Loretta > > > > _____ > > > > The alternative practitioner that I have been going to for a number of years > says to do the parasite cleanse first and that is what I did and it worked > well this way for me. I'm currently doing another of many liver flushes > right now, they are no fun for sure. So what I'm saying is it depends whom > you talk to I guess. Whom ever you trust and has had the experience is a > good place to start with the programs. The parasite cleanses are much easier > and I feel that a liver/gallbladder flush (for someone who has not done any > kind of detoxing) can be a tall order maybe a bit intimidating. It is not > for the faint of heart, Epsom Salt tastes nasty! Nothing I mean nothing can > camouflage it either. > > > > Tammatha > > > > > - > > Because parasite cleansing usually takes some time, several rounds of six > weeks at a time, in order to get the complete life-cycle of the parasite, in > my opinion (based on what I see with clients) one should begin with > digestive tract cleansing and liver/gallbladder cleansing to get the immune > system up and functioning as well as a clean liver (usually from years of > toxic food and conventional medicine), followed by a parasite cleanse, > another digestive tract and liver liver/gallbladder cleanse and then moving > on to heavy metals, etc. > > While I would never say there is only one way to cleanse, personally and > clinically I have found that this order works best since getting the > digestive tract and liver cleansed actually begins the journey to good > health - effective absorption, assimilation and transportation of nutrients > and supplements. This is important so that protocols can begin to work > effectively very quickly. And if the products, especially the probiotics, > that are being used to cleanse with are effective enough, one will be laying > ground work in making the terrain much less hospitable for most parasites > including candida. > > Be Well > Loretta > > > _,_._,___ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Thank you all for your input. Loretta, is the cleanse you are referring to the same as the one posted on Tony and 's site? Thanks Again, Kelly - Dr. Loretta Lanphier oleander soup Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:47 AM RE: cleanse Like I said, nothing is set in stone and, of course, different docs will have different protocols. However, liver/gallbladder cleansing is not bad at all if one knows and uses some “tricks of the trade” and is thoroughly informed as to what can be expected. One thing to camouflage the taste of Epsom Salts is to dissolve it in a bit of warm purified water and then add cold, freshly squeezed organic grapefruit juice -- use a straw to slam it down. It works well. I have been cleansing for over nine years, personally and with clients. It’s not my favorite thing to do either, but very necessary for healing and wellness. The digestive tract is where most of the immune system is located and it is imperative that it get cleansed along with the liver. At one time I did a cleanse 1x a week for almost two months. I remember griping about it and being told that I should work on learning to appreciate the fact that I had been guided to a path of healing and this was a very important part of that path. Needless to say, I didn’t say another word about cleansing. J As much as I dreaded the cleanses, I felt absolutely wonderful and my skin looked amazing. I have seen many people go through tremendous Herxheimer symptoms when beginning a natural health protocol simply because they did not take the time to take a couple of steps back and cleanse their liver/gallbladder first. Those that cleanse, in the very beginning, and then continue to frequently cleanse are the ones that usually feel the best, look the best and get the biggest bang for their buck as far as how well their diet and supplements work. When dealing with disease, supporting the immune system must be top priority. Be WellLoretta The alternative practitioner that I have been going to for a number of years says to do the parasite cleanse first and that is what I did and it worked well this way for me. I'm currently doing another of many liver flushes right now, they are no fun for sure. So what I'm saying is it depends whom you talk to I guess. Whom ever you trust and has had the experience is a good place to start with the programs. The parasite cleanses are much easier and I feel that a liver/gallbladder flush (for someone who has not done any kind of detoxing) can be a tall order maybe a bit intimidating. It is not for the faint of heart, Epsom Salt tastes nasty! Nothing I mean nothing can camouflage it either. Tammatha - Because parasite cleansing usually takes some time, several rounds of six weeks at a time, in order to get the complete life-cycle of the parasite, in my opinion (based on what I see with clients) one should begin with digestive tract cleansing and liver/gallbladder cleansing to get the immune system up and functioning as well as a clean liver (usually from years of toxic food and conventional medicine), followed by a parasite cleanse, another digestive tract and liver liver/gallbladder cleanse and then moving on to heavy metals, etc. While I would never say there is only one way to cleanse, personally and clinically I have found that this order works best since getting the digestive tract and liver cleansed actually begins the journey to good health – effective absorption, assimilation and transportation of nutrients and supplements. This is important so that protocols can begin to work effectively very quickly. And if the products, especially the probiotics, that are being used to cleanse with are effective enough, one will be laying ground work in making the terrain much less hospitable for most parasites including candida.Be WellLoretta _,_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Yes.....liver/gallbladder. I wouldn't recommend doing them this close together unless one is under the care of a knowledgeable practitioner. For my clients, I recommend waiting 7-10 days before beginning a new cleanse and that is only for those strong enough to handle it. Usually after 3-4 cleanses one will begin to notice that they are feeling better and have an overall feeling of wellness, but it depends on the individual and what, if any, disease/illness they are dealing with. For myself, I noticed it fairly quickly....in fact, I could tell a difference in my skin after my first flush. You may want to add 2-4 drops of peppermint essential oil to the grapefruit/olive oil mixture as it will help to settle your stomach. I also recommend making up the mixture early in the day and putting it in the fridge. Take it out 30 minutes before time to drink it. Shake it up so it is mixed well. It will go down much better cold and if you use a straw. If one is eating healthy, drinking lots clean water and taking good supplementation, I think it would be very difficult to deplete minerals unless one is mineral deficient to begin with because of illness or disease. Be Well Loretta Hi Loretta, You said you did a cleanse 1x a week for almost two months. You mean a liver/gallbladder flush? Is it ok to do them that often? Usually I see that it's recommended to do it no more often than once every two weeks or more. From your experience, what is the most number of flushes your clients had to do before they started feeling a difference from liver cleansing? I'm really committed to getting all the stones out and then doing the flush a couple times a year for maintenance. I've done 8 so far this time around (and 2 or 3 some years ago), but I haven't noticed too much change. I'm mostly dealing with candida. I've been doing a lot of other things as well, including what Tony recommends. I've done a lot of intestinal cleansing and now doing kidney cleansing as well. I actually really look forward to the liver flushes. I can't wait till the weekend comes when I can do it again, even though I actually end up waking up in the middle of the night and throwing up half the time when I do the liver flush. That part is definitely not fun. Even when that happens the cleanse still works every time. I've gotten rid of around 2000 stones so far. The sooner I can get that stuff out the better! It would be great if I could do it every week. My understanding was that you can drain your body of alkaline minerals when doing these flushes too often or doing coffee enemas too often, because a lot of bile is being flushed when you do this and it can deplete the body. Any thoughts? Thanks, Katy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Thanks so much Loretta, that is helpful. I have done a liver flush ones after doing one 7 days prior and I had no problems. I am generally healthy except for the candida. Usually I wait 2 weeks before doing one again. I have noticed major improvements when I did intestinal cleansing, the first thing I notice is my skin improving. I haven't noticed that much from liver/gallbladder cleansing yet, but I will keep at it till the end. I made a commitment to myself to get all the liver/gallstones out this year and have stuck to it very diligently. I've been really into Andreas Moritz books lately, and he strongly advises against consuming anything cold when you are doing the liver/gallbladder flush because it make the bile ducts contracts. I actually don't have a problem with nausea when I first drink the stuff. I can drink the Epsom salt and oil/lemon without any problems. The time when I do feel sick is usually about 4 hours after I drink the oil and lemon juice (I can't do grapefruit juice because of candida, it's too sweet and I react to it). I wake up in the middle of the night feeling really nauseous about half the time. Andreas says that it happens because when the bile is expelled out of the liver it can pushes the olive oil and citrus juice back into the stomach, but by then it has already done it's job. That is what I have noticed as well, the cleanse still works every time. Even after this happened only an hour and a half after I drank the oil and lemon juice. I think I got the best results that time, I got 500 stones out the next day. oleander soup , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <drlanphier wrote: > > Yes.....liver/gallbladder. I wouldn't recommend doing them this close > together unless one is under the care of a knowledgeable practitioner. For > my clients, I recommend waiting 7-10 days before beginning a new cleanse and > that is only for those strong enough to handle it. Usually after 3-4 > cleanses one will begin to notice that they are feeling better and have an > overall feeling of wellness, but it depends on the individual and what, if > any, disease/illness they are dealing with. For myself, I noticed it fairly > quickly....in fact, I could tell a difference in my skin after my first > flush. > > You may want to add 2-4 drops of peppermint essential oil to the > grapefruit/olive oil mixture as it will help to settle your stomach. I also > recommend making up the mixture early in the day and putting it in the > fridge. Take it out 30 minutes before time to drink it. Shake it up so it > is mixed well. It will go down much better cold and if you use a straw. > > If one is eating healthy, drinking lots clean water and taking good > supplementation, I think it would be very difficult to deplete minerals > unless one is mineral deficient to begin with because of illness or disease. > > > Be Well > Loretta > > > > > Hi Loretta, > > > > You said you did a cleanse 1x a week for almost two months. You mean a > liver/gallbladder flush? Is it ok to do them that often? Usually I see > that it's recommended to do it no more often than once every two weeks or > more. From your experience, what is the most number of flushes your clients > had to do before they started feeling a difference from liver cleansing? > I'm really committed to getting all the stones out and then doing the flush > a couple times a year for maintenance. I've done 8 so far this time around > (and 2 or 3 some years ago), but I haven't noticed too much change. I'm > mostly dealing with candida. I've been doing a lot of other things as well, > including what Tony recommends. I've done a lot of intestinal cleansing and > now doing kidney cleansing as well. > > I actually really look forward to the liver flushes. I can't wait till the > weekend comes when I can do it again, even though I actually end up waking > up in the middle of the night and throwing up half the time when I do the > liver flush. That part is definitely not fun. Even when that happens the > cleanse still works every time. I've gotten rid of around 2000 stones so > far. The sooner I can get that stuff out the better! It would be great if > I could do it every week. > > My understanding was that you can drain your body of alkaline minerals when > doing these flushes too often or doing coffee enemas too often, because a > lot of bile is being flushed when you do this and it can deplete the body. > Any thoughts? > > > > Thanks, > > Katy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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