Varicose Veins - Phebite - Advice welcome

[Guest guest]

Hi Guys,

Well, just as we were feeling a bit more relaxed about husbands

condition as he feels physically and mentally stronger after 8 months

of ARVs and on OPC, CS and several other supplements herbal and non,

up comes another problem ...

As well as being HEPC/HIV positive, my husband has varicose veins

(hereditary as his mother, father and sister do too). He was told

that his saphena veins should be removed but was unable to do because

of the state of his liver. As he (and the rest of his family are very

slim and he in particular has skinny legs, the veins are really

noticeable and he has started wearing medical support tights t help

the condition.

Anyway, now he has a phlebite - an inflammation in a vein on the side

of his shin which is potentially dangerous due to the possibility of

a blood clot travelling to his lungs (if I got this right). The area

of inflammation is raised and red and burns him. He now has been told

to keep his leg up and use warm compresses.

I understand some of the supplements he is taking are actually good

for varicose veins *(NAC cysteine, for example) but I am wondering if

there are any things that could be more specific to phebite. I

remember a lot of you use cayenne pepper, But I think this was more

for blood clotting rather than blood thinning.

Any suggestions as to something that could be applied locally?

Also any suggestions as to certain supplements and herbal remedies to

avoid while suffering from phebite.

Thanks for any input.

 

A worried Nelly

[Guest guest]

Hi Nelly,

One of the known side effects of ARVs is varicose veins associated with the acquired Lipodystrophy caused by the ARVs (see http://www.aidsinfonyc.org/fiar/sidefx.html and http://www.i-base.info/i-basemeetings/lipo/lipo%20overview-youle.pdf). This subcutaneous loss of fat causes the veins to stand out on arms and legs and often leads to the skin pulling tightly across cheekbones. Varicose veins often develop under these circumstances. The ARVs also lead to a reduction of glutathione in the body which, in turn, leads to a shortage of TH1 immune cells that protect us against cellular pathogens. The result is often fungal invasions with painful inflammatory symptoms. My advice for your husband is to stop the ARVs completely and to increase the NAC and other natural glutathione promoting supplements.

Marc Swanepoel

 

 

-

N. Cave

oleander soup

Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:53 PM

Varicose Veins - Phebite - Advice welcome

 

 

Hi Guys,Well, just as we were feeling a bit more relaxed about husbands condition as he feels physically and mentally stronger after 8 months of ARVs and on OPC, CS and several other supplements herbal and non, up comes another problem ...As well as being HEPC/HIV positive, my husband has varicose veins (hereditary as his mother, father and sister do too). He was told that his saphena veins should be removed but was unable to do because of the state of his liver. As he (and the rest of his family are very slim and he in particular has skinny legs, the veins are really noticeable and he has started wearing medical support tights t help the condition. Anyway, now he has a phlebite - an inflammation in a vein on the side of his shin which is potentially dangerous due to the possibility of a blood clot travelling to his lungs (if I got this right). The area of inflammation is raised and red and burns him. He now has been told to keep his leg up and use warm compresses.I understand some of the supplements he is taking are actually good for varicose veins *(NAC cysteine, for example) but I am wondering if there are any things that could be more specific to phebite. I remember a lot of you use cayenne pepper, But I think this was more for blood clotting rather than blood thinning.Any suggestions as to something that could be applied locally?Also any suggestions as to certain supplements and herbal remedies to avoid while suffering from phebite.Thanks for any input.A worried Nelly

[Guest guest]

Nelly,

I'm sure the others (who know WAY more than I do) will come on in a bit with wonderful advice. In the meantime, this is information I found about cayenne. I take it during periods of great stress when I am having heart palpitations (I know, I should be taking it daily, but I forget, lol), and the palpitations go away within minutes of drinking the cayenne mixture. I have also included the site where I copied this.

Good luck.

Shara

 

Cayenne moves blood

There is no other herb which increases your blood flow faster than cayenne. Cayenne moves blood. When people ask Dr. Schultze, "What are the 10 most important herbs to have in the home?" He tells them, "At the top of the list is cayenne pepper, because it will make the other 9 work better."

 

http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/cayenne.htm

 

 

N. Cave <nellycave

oleander soup

Sun, 1 Mar 2009 2:53 pm

Varicose Veins - Phebite - Advice welcome

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Guys,

Well, just as we were feeling a bit more relaxed about husbands

condition as he feels physically and mentally stronger after 8 months

of ARVs and on OPC, CS and several other supplements herbal and non,

up comes another problem ...

As well as being HEPC/HIV positive, my husband has varicose veins

(hereditary as his mother, father and sister do too). He was told

that his saphena veins should be removed but was unable to do because

of the state of his liver. As he (and the rest of his family are very

slim and he in particular has skinny legs, the veins are really

noticeable and he has started wearing medical support tights t help

the condition.

Anyway, now he has a phlebite - an inflammation in a vein on the side

of his shin which is potentially dangerous due to the possibility of

a blood clot travelling to his lungs (if I got this right). The area

of inflammation is raised and red and burns him. He now has been told

to keep his leg up and use warm compresses.

I understand some of the supplements he is taking are actually good

for varicose veins *(NAC cysteine, for example) but I am wondering if

there are any things that could be more specific to phebite. I

remember a lot of you use cayenne pepper, But I think this was more

for blood clotting rather than blood thinning.

Any suggestions as to something that could be applied locally?

Also any suggestions as to certain supplements and herbal remedies to

avoid while suffering from phebite.

Thanks for any input.

 

A worried Nelly

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Nelly.

The only thing i know for varocose veins is horse chestnut capsules or tincture, i will fowrord an article for you, but you aslo google varicise veins and natural remedies, or horse chestnut to get more information.

Good luck with your new problem.

 

Hugs Mary

 

-

N. Cave

oleander soup

Monday, March 02, 2009 7:53 AM

Varicose Veins - Phebite - Advice welcome

 

 

Hi Guys,Well, just as we were feeling a bit more relaxed about husbands condition as he feels physically and mentally stronger after 8 months of ARVs and on OPC, CS and several other supplements herbal and non, up comes another problem ...As well as being HEPC/HIV positive, my husband has varicose veins (hereditary as his mother, father and sister do too). He was told that his saphena veins should be removed but was unable to do because of the state of his liver. As he (and the rest of his family are very slim and he in particular has skinny legs, the veins are really noticeable and he has started wearing medical support tights t help the condition. Anyway, now he has a phlebite - an inflammation in a vein on the side of his shin which is potentially dangerous due to the possibility of a blood clot travelling to his lungs (if I got this right). The area of inflammation is raised and red and burns him. He now has been told to keep his leg up and use warm compresses.I understand some of the supplements he is taking are actually good for varicose veins *(NAC cysteine, for example) but I am wondering if there are any things that could be more specific to phebite. I remember a lot of you use cayenne pepper, But I think this was more for blood clotting rather than blood thinning.Any suggestions as to something that could be applied locally?Also any suggestions as to certain supplements and herbal remedies to avoid while suffering from phebite.Thanks for any input.A worried Nelly

[Guest guest]

Hi Nelly,

So sorry to hear about your husband's new development.

Taking cayenne ensures proper circulation.

Here are more remedies for phlebitis:

 

Apply a comfrey poultice on the outside of the affected area. You should be eating a raw vegetable diet. It's important to have leafy greens, plus lots more roughage. Drink lots of fresh juices. Take garlic or goldenseal for inflammation. Take 1 tablespoon of lecithin every day. Follow your physician's instructions and elevate the affected area for as many hours a day as possible. This will keep the blood circulating properly. Apply garlic oil or vitamin E oil to the affected areas for inflammation.

We have just been to a most wonderful and informative health seminar. Dr. Ken O'Neil, a Doctor of Naturopathy, who Tony has already mentioned, spoke about how very powerful enzymes are with regard to any type of bodily inflammation. Protease and Chymotrypsin are two of the most very important ingredients that enzymes should contain. I heard unbelievable testimonies. And I am going to tell you the exact product that was used. It is called Enzyme Plus by Utopia Silver http://www.utopiasilver.com . And I thought... Well, that makes sense. What your husband should do is take six three times a day on an empty stomach until he feels better and according to the testimonies I heard, it should not take long at all. Tony may come along to better expound on this.

As a sidenote, Tony spoke on Cancer and he was simply outstanding.

Hugs,

 

oleander soup , showard208 wrote:>> Nelly,> I'm sure the others (who know WAY more than I do) will come on in a bit with wonderful advice.? In the meantime, this is information I found about cayenne.? I take it during periods of great stress when I am having heart palpitations (I know, I should be taking it daily, but I forget, lol), and the palpitations go away within minutes of drinking the cayenne mixture.? I have also included the site where I copied this.> Good luck.> Shara> > > Cayenne moves blood> > There is no other herb which increases your blood flow faster than cayenne. Cayenne moves blood. When people ask Dr. Schultze, "What are the 10 most important herbs to have in the home?" He tells them, "At the top of the list is cayenne pepper, because it will make the other 9 work better."> > http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/cayenne.htm> > > N. Cave nellycave oleander soup > Sun, 1 Mar 2009 2:53 pm> Varicose Veins - Phebite - Advice welcome> > > > > > > Hi Guys,> Well, just as we were feeling a bit more relaxed about husbands > condition as he feels physically and mentally stronger after 8 months > of ARVs and on OPC, CS and several other supplements herbal and non, > up comes another problem ...> As well as being HEPC/HIV positive, my husband has varicose veins > (hereditary as his mother, father and sister do too). He was told > that his saphena veins should be removed but was unable to do because > of the state of his liver. As he (and the rest of his family are very > slim and he in particular has skinny legs, the veins are really > noticeable and he has started wearing medical support tights t help > the condition. > Anyway, now he has a phlebite - an inflammation in a vein on the side > of his shin which is potentially dangerous due to the possibility of > a blood clot travelling to his lungs (if I got this right). The area > of inflammation is raised and red and burns him. He now has been told > to keep his leg up and use warm compresses.> I understand some of the supplements he is taking are actually good > for varicose veins *(NAC cysteine, for example) but I am wondering if > there are any things that could be more specific to phebite. I > remember a lot of you use cayenne pepper, But I think this was more > for blood clotting rather than blood thinning.> Any suggestions as to something that could be applied locally?> Also any suggestions as to certain supplements and herbal remedies to > avoid while suffering from phebite.> Thanks for any input.> > A worried Nelly>

[Guest guest]

Marc, thanks for the input. Actually, there was a typo in my message

it should have read " after 8 months off ARVs " not after 8 months of

ARVs (altho he did do ARVs for 10 yrs +) " . He did suffer from

lipodystrophy but his legs are no skinnier now than they were when I

met him 20+ yrs ago. As I said his mother and sister both suffer from

varicose veins too and they are otherwise healthy.

Nelly

 

oleander soup , " Marc Swanepoel - PhD "

<marcswan wrote:

>

> Hi Nelly,

> One of the known side effects of ARVs is varicose veins associated

with the acquired Lipodystrophy caused by the ARVs (see

http://www.aidsinfonyc.org/fiar/sidefx.html and http://www.i-

base.info/i-basemeetings/lipo/lipo%20overview-youle.pdf). This

subcutaneous loss of fat causes the veins to stand out on arms and

legs and often leads to the skin pulling tightly across cheekbones.

Varicose veins often develop under these circumstances. The ARVs also

lead to a reduction of glutathione in the body which, in turn, leads

to a shortage of TH1 immune cells that protect us against cellular

pathogens. The result is often fungal invasions with painful

inflammatory symptoms. My advice for your husband is to stop the ARVs

completely and to increase the NAC and other natural glutathione

promoting supplements.

> Marc Swanepoel

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Shara and Mary,

Thanks for your support. I am going to look at the cayenne pepper link

you sent, I guess you don-t take teaspoons of cayenne pepper but

tincture would be good as Frank is fed up with all the caps he takes.

As for the Horse chestnut I actually found that googling too but I like

some input/confirmation from this great group. It gives me a warmer

feeling than googling.

Nelly

PS I used to think lol stood for " lots of love " but couldn-t quite work

out why it was being used in the middle of sentences rather than at the

end as a sign off. I then found out on google that it means " laugh out

loud " ...

[Guest guest]

Nelly,

What I generally do is take 1-2 tablespoons of cayenne powder, 1-2 tablespoons of raw honey, and 1-2 tablespoons of ACV, mix well, add a bit of water and chug it down! Depending on how bad the palpitations are depends on how much cayenne powder I use. If it is just a flutter in my chest, I will use 1 tablespoon...if I can see my heart pounding, I use 2 tablespoons. I should probably have this checked out, but I have this terrible allergy to all things doctor, lol (laughing out loud, lol). I spent a couple of years as an 'experiment' when they were trying to find out why my head hurt. It turned out to be osteomyelitis of my jaw, but nobody caught it with all their little tests and such until my jaw was half gone! Then, they insisted I had cancer. Since then, I avoid doctors like the plague and try to treat whatever I happen to contract with natural methods and rest.

 

Shara

 

 

 

 

N. Cave <nellycave

oleander soup

Mon, 2 Mar 2009 1:59 pm

Re: Varicose Veins - Phebite - Advice welcome

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Shara and Mary,

Thanks for your support. I am going to look at the cayenne pepper link

you sent, I guess you don-t take teaspoons of cayenne pepper but

tincture would be good as Frank is fed up with all the caps he takes.

As for the Horse chestnut I actually found that googling too but I like

some input/confirmation from this great group. It gives me a warmer

feeling than googling.

Nelly

PS I used to think lol stood for "lots of love" but couldn-t quite work

out why it was being used in the middle of sentences rather than at the

end as a sign off. I then found out on google that it means "laugh out

loud" ...

 

 

 

 

 

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Welcome to the club Nelly.

 

This lol thing was going on for long time, and i count not take it any more so i asked the group one day and no body bother to unswer my qestion, so i asked my daughters what lol means and when they told me i lol a lot !!!!!!!

 

Hugs Mary

 

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N. Cave

oleander soup

Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:59 AM

Re: Varicose Veins - Phebite - Advice welcome

 

 

Hi Shara and Mary,Thanks for your support. I am going to look at the cayenne pepper link you sent, I guess you don-t take teaspoons of cayenne pepper but tincture would be good as Frank is fed up with all the caps he takes.As for the Horse chestnut I actually found that googling too but I like some input/confirmation from this great group. It gives me a warmer feeling than googling.NellyPS I used to think lol stood for "lots of love" but couldn-t quite work out why it was being used in the middle of sentences rather than at the end as a sign off. I then found out on google that it means "laugh out loud" ...

[Guest guest]

Another thing to consider is spirulina. I had one of those fat, lumpy

varicose veins as a result of pregnancy that was getting more and more

painful over the years. Then I started including spirulina in my diet

on a daily basis and over time it shrunk and is completely gone. I

actually didn't realize what had happened until a friend who had also

started using spirulina a couple years before said her's all went away

after a couple years and I realized mine was gone too. My mother had

varicose veins all over her legs. I am 64 and have none.

 

Spirulina is also very good for people with cancer.

 

Ruth

 

 

oleander soup , " Maria Stathopoulos "

<mary1kon wrote:

>

> Nelly.

> The only thing i know for varocose veins is horse chestnut capsules

or tincture, i will fowrord an article for you, but you aslo google

varicise veins and natural remedies, or horse chestnut to get more

information.

> Good luck with your new problem.

>

> Hugs Mary

> -

> N. Cave

> oleander soup

> Monday, March 02, 2009 7:53 AM

> Varicose Veins - Phebite - Advice welcome

>

>

> Hi Guys,

> Well, just as we were feeling a bit more relaxed about husbands

> condition as he feels physically and mentally stronger after 8 months

> of ARVs and on OPC, CS and several other supplements herbal and non,

> up comes another problem ...

> As well as being HEPC/HIV positive, my husband has varicose veins

> (hereditary as his mother, father and sister do too). He was told

> that his saphena veins should be removed but was unable to do because

> of the state of his liver. As he (and the rest of his family are very

> slim and he in particular has skinny legs, the veins are really

> noticeable and he has started wearing medical support tights t help

> the condition.

> Anyway, now he has a phlebite - an inflammation in a vein on the side

> of his shin which is potentially dangerous due to the possibility of

> a blood clot travelling to his lungs (if I got this right). The area

> of inflammation is raised and red and burns him. He now has been told

> to keep his leg up and use warm compresses.

> I understand some of the supplements he is taking are actually good

> for varicose veins *(NAC cysteine, for example) but I am wondering if

> there are any things that could be more specific to phebite. I

> remember a lot of you use cayenne pepper, But I think this was more

> for blood clotting rather than blood thinning.

> Any suggestions as to something that could be applied locally?

> Also any suggestions as to certain supplements and herbal remedies to

> avoid while suffering from phebite.

> Thanks for any input.

>

> A worried Nelly

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks .

 

Your mail made me think - protease. Hmm, F. took protease inhibitors

for years as part of the ARV treatment he was on. I guess if protease

is good for veins inhibiting protease could have worsened this

situation ??...

 

Nelly

oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129

wrote:

>

>

> Hi Nelly,

>

> So sorry to hear about your husband's new development.

>

> Taking cayenne ensures proper circulation.

>

> Here are more remedies for phlebitis:

>

> * Apply a comfrey poultice on the outside of the affected

area. *

> You should be eating a raw vegetable diet. It's important to have

leafy

> greens, plus lots more roughage. * Drink lots of fresh

juices. *

> Take garlic or goldenseal for inflammation. * Take 1 tablespoon

of

> lecithin every day. * Follow your physician's instructions and

> elevate the affected area for as many hours a day as possible. This

will

> keep the blood circulating properly. * Apply garlic oil or

vitamin E

> oil to the affected areas for inflammation.

>

> We have just been to a most wonderful and informative health

seminar.

> Dr. Ken O'Neil, a Doctor of Naturopathy, who Tony has already

mentioned,

> spoke about how very powerful enzymes are with regard to any type of

> bodily inflammation. Protease and Chymotrypsin are two of the most

very

> important ingredients that enzymes should contain. I heard

unbelievable

> testimonies. And I am going to tell you the exact product that was

> used. It is called Enzyme Plus by Utopia Silver

> http://www.utopiasilver.com <http://www.utopiasilver.com/> . And I

> thought... Well, that makes sense. What your husband should do is

> take six three times a day on an empty stomach until he feels

better and

> according to the testimonies I heard, it should not take long at

all.

> Tony may come along to better expound on this.

>

> As a sidenote, Tony spoke on Cancer and he was simply outstanding.

>

> Hugs,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bless your heart Nelly......... Now that's a piece of news an to this I say, What are they thinking?

The protease enzymes are said to help:

 

improve blood circulation; prevent abnormal blood clotting; reduce pain and inflammation associated with Phlebitis; alleviate the pain, inflammation, and discomfort of varicose veins; minimize muscle pain that occurs after exercise; minimize the inflammation and pain associated with Osteoarthritis and Rheumatoid Arthritis; alleviate the symptoms of Sinusitis; alleviate (reverse) Edema; help people with food allergies.

So very glad that this information has helped you. Please keep us posted as to how your husband progresses.

 

oleander soup , "N. Cave" <nellycave wrote:>> Thanks .> > Your mail made me think - protease. Hmm, F. took protease inhibitors > for years as part of the ARV treatment he was on. I guess if protease > is good for veins inhibiting protease could have worsened this > situation ??...> > Nelly

[Guest guest]

,

 

Are there tapes we can listen to? How about a YouTube on that seminar?

 

Thanks.

 

Melly

[Guest guest]

Hi Melly,

Unfortunately, not this time. And how I wish there was. This was the first seminar that Ben put on and it was supposed to be a "dry run." But let me tell you, it was a huge success.

In fact, this was the topic of conversation today. We are already planning future seminars and for the next one, little kinks such as this will be worked out. Hopefully, tapes will be available for the next one.

Hugs,

 

oleander soup , Melly Bag <tita_mel wrote:>> ,> > Are there tapes we can listen to? How about a YouTube on that seminar?> > Thanks.> > Melly>

[Guest guest]

Thanks . I was dying to go, but my hubby's schedule did not allow me to attend.

I wanted to hear everybody specially the naturopath doctor.

 

Melly