Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Soil and Pesticides have gotten so bad that is my take....I agree with you they (Red Delicious) have gotten yucky and I too have gravitated to the Fuji's maybe they are more sensitive to the soils and pesticides perhaps? Tammatha - jrrjim oleander soup Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:57 PM How about them apples? As a kid, my favorite apple by far was the Red Delicious. But over the years, it seemed like the red delicous got less and less delicious, and more and more bland and mealy, with a peel that seemed to get more and more rubbery. So other apples seem to have taken its place -- Fujis, Galas, etc.Yesterday I bought some organic Red Delicious apples, largely because the price was really good. I wasn't expecting much but a mediocre apple for a good price. But when I bit into one -- WOW. These were the apples I had as a kid! So incredibly good! Crisp, sweet, just an amazing delight!To confirm that I wasn't hallucinating, my boy, who normally avoids fruit, chowed down two in about 3 minutes. He loved them as much as I did.So -- why have MOST Red Delicious apples gotten so bad? Obviously, when I was a kid, most of them were good. I thought I was romanticizing these boyhood apples until yesterday, when I had one that was really just like the ones I had as a kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 I had this same experience with chicken. Having grown up on locally grown chickens, including from the farm where we lived for a while, I thought my taste buds had become less sensitive or something as an adult. Then I had an organically raised, free range chicken and discovered that old familiar taste again. Now days,however, a free range chicken often means that they open the little chicken door on the coop so the chickens can go out on the well manicured lawn enclosed by a fence and get some sunshine and maybe peck at the grass. Since the chickens are raised in the coop and that's where the food is the chickens seldom venture into the outside world to eat bugs and fresh greens so even organic is often not so good any more. Ruth oleander soup , " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10 wrote: > > As a kid, my favorite apple by far was the Red Delicious. But over > the years, it seemed like the red delicous got less and less > delicious, and more and more bland and mealy, with a peel that seemed > to get more and more rubbery. So other apples seem to have taken its > place -- Fujis, Galas, etc. > > Yesterday I bought some organic Red Delicious apples, largely because > the price was really good. I wasn't expecting much but a mediocre > apple for a good price. But when I bit into one -- WOW. These were > the apples I had as a kid! So incredibly good! Crisp, sweet, just > an amazing delight! > > To confirm that I wasn't hallucinating, my boy, who normally avoids > fruit, chowed down two in about 3 minutes. He loved them as much as > I did. > > So -- why have MOST Red Delicious apples gotten so bad? Obviously, > when I was a kid, most of them were good. I thought I was > romanticizing these boyhood apples until yesterday, when I had one > that was really just like the ones I had as a kid. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 The soft floury texture is often due to lengthy cool storage. Fuji, Pacific Rose and the other couple of newer varieties now available worldwide were bred for looks, sweetness (not flavour) and long shelf life. Some tend to have a rotten brown centre - they have been stored too long, yet still "look" good. If you ever come across Monty's Surprise at heirloom seed centres, it is worth buying as it has 4 times the nutrients of the modern apples. You will probably be able to choose the root stock for your local conditions. It was probably once true, that an apple a day keeps the dr away. Notn any more.We used to be able to get huge, deep red apples - the skin was so red that it stained the white flesh when we bit into them. I have 3 varieties grafted on the one root stock. Granny Smith, Golden Delicious and Cox's Orange.Some years ago I read that fruit was being "standardised" in the EU, and that to avoid being fined, French orchardists were having to rip out their traditional apple trees and replace them with just a few. I haven't been able to locate the hard copy document yet.--- On Sat, 2/28/09, Tammatha <tammatha wrote:Tammatha <tammathaRe: How about them apples?oleander soup Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 4:51 PM Soil and Pesticides have gotten so bad that is my take....I agree with you they (Red Delicious) have gotten yucky and I too have gravitated to the Fuji's maybe they are more sensitive to the soils and pesticides perhaps? Tammatha - jrrjim oleander soup Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:57 PM How about them apples? As a kid, my favorite apple by far was the Red Delicious. But over the years, it seemed like the red delicous got less and less delicious, and more and more bland and mealy, with a peel that seemed to get more and more rubbery. So other apples seem to have taken its place -- Fujis, Galas, etc.Yesterday I bought some organic Red Delicious apples, largely because the price was really good. I wasn't expecting much but a mediocre apple for a good price. But when I bit into one -- WOW. These were the apples I had as a kid! So incredibly good! Crisp, sweet, just an amazing delight!To confirm that I wasn't hallucinating, my boy, who normally avoids fruit, chowed down two in about 3 minutes. He loved them as much as I did.So -- why have MOST Red Delicious apples gotten so bad? Obviously, when I was a kid, most of them were good. I thought I was romanticizing these boyhood apples until yesterday, when I had one that was really just like the ones I had as a kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I live in the foothills of the Sierras. Actually, about 500 - 1000 feet lower than us exists perfect apple growing conditions, and there are a few fairly large apple orchards that sell mostly locally. I don't think they are organic though. Up here at a higher elevation, there are two problems with growing apples: 1. Poorer, shallower soil. 2. Deer. Deer. Lots and lots of deer. Maybe I should give up on growing the apples and go for organic venison. oleander soup , Maracuja <howdurdago wrote: > > The soft floury texture is often due to lengthy cool storage. Fuji, Pacific Rose and the other couple of newer varieties now available worldwide were bred for looks, sweetness (not flavour) and long shelf life. Some tend to have a rotten brown centre - they have been stored too long, yet still " look " good. > > If you ever come across Monty's Surprise at heirloom seed centres, it is worth buying as it has 4 times the nutrients of the modern apples. You will probably be able to choose the root stock for your local conditions. It was probably once true, that an apple a day keeps the dr away. Notn any more. > > We used to be able to get huge, deep red apples - the skin was so red that it stained the white flesh when we bit into them. > > I have 3 varieties grafted on the one root stock. Granny Smith, Golden Delicious and Cox's Orange. > > Some years ago I read that fruit was being " standardised " in the EU, and that to avoid being fined, French orchardists were having to rip out their traditional apple trees and replace them with just a few. I haven't been able to locate the hard copy document yet. > > --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Tammatha <tammatha wrote: > > Tammatha <tammatha > Re: How about them apples? > oleander soup > Saturday, February 28, 2009, 4:51 PM > > > > > > > > > Soil and Pesticides have gotten so bad that is my > take....I agree with you they (Red Delicious) have gotten yucky and I > too have gravitated to the Fuji's maybe they are more sensitive to the soils and > pesticides perhaps? > > Tammatha > > - > > jrrjim > oleander soup > > Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:57 > PM > How about them > apples? > > > > As a kid, my favorite apple by far was the Red Delicious. But over > the > years, it seemed like the red delicous got less and less > delicious, and > more and more bland and mealy, with a peel that seemed > to get more and > more rubbery. So other apples seem to have taken its > place -- Fujis, > Galas, etc. > > Yesterday I bought some organic Red Delicious apples, > largely because > the price was really good. I wasn't expecting much but a > mediocre > apple for a good price. But when I bit into one -- WOW. These > were > the apples I had as a kid! So incredibly good! Crisp, sweet, just > > an amazing delight! > > To confirm that I wasn't hallucinating, my boy, > who normally avoids > fruit, chowed down two in about 3 minutes. He loved > them as much as > I did. > > So -- why have MOST Red Delicious apples > gotten so bad? Obviously, > when I was a kid, most of them were good. I > thought I was > romanticizing these boyhood apples until yesterday, when I > had one > that was really just like the ones I had as a > kid. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 The venison sounds beautiful! More muscle, less fat than on the farmed deer! Better flavour too!We have the occasional possum visiting our apple tree. He hasn't figured out that some of our more exotic fruits taste good too, thank heavens. I won't be eating possum any time soon though. I did hear of someone who had feijoa flavoured duck a few seasons ago! The ducks were eating the windfalls. Duck shooting starts in May so it was most timely.--- On Mon, 3/2/09, jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10 Re: How about them apples?oleander soup Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 7:56 AM I live in the foothills of the Sierras. Actually, about 500 - 1000 feet lower than us exists perfect apple growing conditions, and there are a few fairly large apple orchards that sell mostly locally. I don't think they are organic though. Up here at a higher elevation, there are two problems with growing apples: 1. Poorer, shallower soil. 2. Deer. Deer. Lots and lots of deer. Maybe I should give up on growing the apples and go for organic venison. oleander soup, Maracuja <howdurdago@ ...> wrote: > > The soft floury texture is often due to lengthy cool storage. Fuji, Pacific Rose and the other couple of newer varieties now available worldwide were bred for looks, sweetness (not flavour) and long shelf life. Some tend to have a rotten brown centre - they have been stored too long, yet still "look" good. > > If you ever come across Monty's Surprise at heirloom seed centres, it is worth buying as it has 4 times the nutrients of the modern apples. You will probably be able to choose the root stock for your local conditions. It was probably once true, that an apple a day keeps the dr away. Notn any more. > > We used to be able to get huge, deep red apples - the skin was so red that it stained the white flesh when we bit into them. > > I have 3 varieties grafted on the one root stock. Granny Smith, Golden Delicious and Cox's Orange. > > Some years ago I read that fruit was being "standardised" in the EU, and that to avoid being fined, French orchardists were having to rip out their traditional apple trees and replace them with just a few. I haven't been able to locate the hard copy document yet. > > --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Tammatha <tammatha@.. .> wrote: > > Tammatha <tammatha@.. .> > Re: How about them apples? > oleander soup > Saturday, February 28, 2009, 4:51 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soil and Pesticides have gotten so bad that is my > take....I agree with you they (Red Delicious) have gotten yucky and I > too have gravitated to the Fuji's maybe they are more sensitive to the soils and > pesticides perhaps? > > Tammatha > > - > > jrrjim > oleander soup > > Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:57 > PM > How about them > apples? > > > > As a kid, my favorite apple by far was the Red Delicious. But over > the > years, it seemed like the red delicous got less and less > delicious, and > more and more bland and mealy, with a peel that seemed > to get more and > more rubbery. So other apples seem to have taken its > place -- Fujis, > Galas, etc. > > Yesterday I bought some organic Red Delicious apples, > largely because > the price was really good. I wasn't expecting much but a > mediocre > apple for a good price. But when I bit into one -- WOW. These > were > the apples I had as a kid! So incredibly good! Crisp, sweet, just > > an amazing delight! > > To confirm that I wasn't hallucinating, my boy, > who normally avoids > fruit, chowed down two in about 3 minutes. He loved > them as much as > I did. > > So -- why have MOST Red Delicious apples > gotten so bad? Obviously, > when I was a kid, most of them were good. I > thought I was > romanticizing these boyhood apples until yesterday, when I > had one > that was really just like the ones I had as a > kid. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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