Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 My grandfather has stage IV cancer. He has lost all energy from the few rounds of chemo and all of the radiation he has recieved. They are haveing a hard time keeping his blood pressure up and they keep having to give fluids, magnisum, and have even given him a transfusion. I just got a call that they have desided not to do chemo and have called hospis to come in. The basis is I don't have time to waste. I am a health nut by nature and have been following oleander for about 6 months to 1 year now. I have read the research there is out there but I am confused on where to start. I know I can get capsuls according to cancertutor.com but I read that I might be able to get them quicker from here. I also am confused on what to add to the protcol(supplement wise). Does the ebook tell this in clear detail? I have read the main page but it has many different types of cancer treatments so I am not sure what I need to have for supplements and what is just to put out there. Can someone please help ASAP. My grandpa is only in his 70's and has many more years ahead of him. I know he is in alot of pain and feels he is a burden due to the chemo taking all the energy he had amd the many Dr trips to the ER and Dr. Thank You Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I live in Utah and it takes me about 4 weeks to get the OPC from South Africa. I don't think you have time to wait even though I highly recommend getting the capsules because it is a very easy way to use this treatment. Is there any way you can get Oleander and make the soup? We don't have any here. Is there anyone here that could send them some to get them started? We don't have any Oleander plants around here. Carl oleander soup , " salenbailey " <salenbailey wrote: > > My grandfather has stage IV cancer. He has lost all energy from the > few rounds of chemo and all of the radiation he has recieved. They > are haveing a hard time keeping his blood pressure up and they keep > having to give fluids, magnisum, and have even given him a > transfusion. I just got a call that they have desided not to do > chemo and have called hospis to come in. The basis is I don't have > time to waste. I am a health nut by nature and have been following > oleander for about 6 months to 1 year now. I have read the research > there is out there but I am confused on where to start. I know I can > get capsuls according to cancertutor.com but I read that I might be > able to get them quicker from here. I also am confused on what to > add to the protcol(supplement wise). Does the ebook tell this in > clear detail? I have read the main page but it has many different > types of cancer treatments so I am not sure what I need to have for > supplements and what is just to put out there. Can someone please > help ASAP. My grandpa is only in his 70's and has many more years > ahead of him. I know he is in alot of pain and feels he is a burden > due to the chemo taking all the energy he had amd the many Dr trips > to the ER and Dr. > > Thank You > Amy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Hi Amy,How much time do the doctors give him and what type of cancer does he have? We may possibly know someone who has some Sutherlandia OPC on hand. I will find out today and get back to you.In the meantime...........Start with Tony's Anti-Cancer Protocol:/anticancer.htm This will tell you what supplements to use. Also, diet is very important. You will see the guidelines in the protocol. This protocol is intended for all types of cancers and targets strengthening the immune system, the very way cancer entered the body in the first place. Diet is a very important part of healing. Remove sugar first of all. Cancer feeds on sugar. You will find the guidelines in the protocol. Does he have an appetite? You can order the oleander supplement from http://www.sutherlndiaopc.com . However, in the essence of time, it would be much better to get the soup. What state do you live in? You may check local nurseries to see if they have oleander plants but try to make sure it's organic. One thing you have to make absolutely sure of is that the plant has not been sprayed with any pesticides whatsoever. If after making the soup, you should notice tingling and/or numbness on your lips and tongue, it has been indeed sprayed and you must discard the soup. I would hate for this to happen to you.Cancer's Natural Enemy is an excellent ebook that goes into thorough detail and walks you through the natural healing process. If you don't have it, I do recommend that you get it.Until you can get the Oleander, start on the rest of the protocol immediately.I am also going to leave you with the following link:/Black_Cumin.htm I wish you and your grandad the very best Amy. Hugs,> oleander soup , "salenbailey" salenbailey@> wrote:> >> > My grandfather has stage IV cancer. He has lost all energy from the > > few rounds of chemo and all of the radiation he has recieved. They > > are haveing a hard time keeping his blood pressure up and they keep > > having to give fluids, magnisum, and have even given him a > > transfusion. I just got a call that they have desided not to do > > chemo and have called hospis to come in. The basis is I don't have > > time to waste. I am a health nut by nature and have been following > > oleander for about 6 months to 1 year now. I have read the research > > there is out there but I am confused on where to start. I know I can > > get capsuls according to cancertutor.com but I read that I might be > > able to get them quicker from here. I also am confused on what to > > add to the protcol(supplement wise). Does the ebook tell this in > > clear detail? I have read the main page but it has many different > > types of cancer treatments so I am not sure what I need to have for > > supplements and what is just to put out there. Can someone please > > help ASAP. My grandpa is only in his 70's and has many more years > > ahead of him. I know he is in alot of pain and feels he is a burden > > due to the chemo taking all the energy he had amd the many Dr trips > > to the ER and Dr. > > > > Thank You> > Amy> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Thank you very much. I live in Rochelle IL. My grandpa is in Sterling. I just got back from seeing him and he has given me the go ahead to help him. I don't mind getting the ebook if it will tell me what I can/need to give vitamin wise. I have already started the cottage cheese/flax oil plus some other supplements like COQ10 and IP6. There was more along the celluar energy line of things. He does not have much hunger at all but he did eat all of the cottage cheese (4Tbs CC to 2Tbs flax). I do know all about the diet and sugar and have addressed that already however I know they have far to go. Being that we have a hard winter, I don't think I will be able to get the plant. Does anyone know about the food grade hydrogen peroxide? As you all are aware of, time is of the essence. Thank You soooo much Amy oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote: > > > Hi Amy, > > How much time do the doctors give him and what type of cancer does he > have? We may possibly know someone who has some Sutherlandia OPC on > hand. I will find out today and get back to you. > > In the meantime........... > > Start with Tony's Anti-Cancer Protocol: > > /anticancer.htm > </anticancer.htm> > > This will tell you what supplements to use. Also, diet is very > important. You will see the guidelines in the protocol. This protocol > is intended for all types of cancers and targets strengthening the > immune system, the very way cancer entered the body in the first place. > > Diet is a very important part of healing. Remove sugar first of all. > Cancer feeds on sugar. You will find the guidelines in the protocol. > Does he have an appetite? > > You can order the oleander supplement from http://www.sutherlndiaopc.com > <http://www.sutherlndiaopc.com> . However, in the essence of time, it > would be much better to get the soup. What state do you live in? You > may check local nurseries to see if they have oleander plants but try to > make sure it's organic. One thing you have to make absolutely sure of > is that the plant has not been sprayed with any pesticides whatsoever. > If after making the soup, you should notice tingling and/or numbness on > your lips and tongue, it has been indeed sprayed and you must discard > the soup. I would hate for this to happen to you. > > Cancer's Natural Enemy is an excellent ebook that goes into thorough > detail and walks you through the natural healing process. If you don't > have it, I do recommend that you get it. > > Until you can get the Oleander, start on the rest of the protocol > immediately. > > I am also going to leave you with the following link: > > /Black_Cumin.htm > </Black_Cumin.htm> > > I wish you and your grandad the very best Amy. > > Hugs, > > > > oleander soup , " salenbailey " salenbailey@ > > wrote: > > > > > > My grandfather has stage IV cancer. He has lost all energy from the > > > few rounds of chemo and all of the radiation he has recieved. They > > > are haveing a hard time keeping his blood pressure up and they keep > > > having to give fluids, magnisum, and have even given him a > > > transfusion. I just got a call that they have desided not to do > > > chemo and have called hospis to come in. The basis is I don't have > > > time to waste. I am a health nut by nature and have been following > > > oleander for about 6 months to 1 year now. I have read the research > > > there is out there but I am confused on where to start. I know I > can > > > get capsuls according to cancertutor.com but I read that I might be > > > able to get them quicker from here. I also am confused on what to > > > add to the protcol(supplement wise). Does the ebook tell this in > > > clear detail? I have read the main page but it has many different > > > types of cancer treatments so I am not sure what I need to have for > > > supplements and what is just to put out there. Can someone please > > > help ASAP. My grandpa is only in his 70's and has many more years > > > ahead of him. I know he is in alot of pain and feels he is a burden > > > due to the chemo taking all the energy he had amd the many Dr trips > > > to the ER and Dr. > > > > > > Thank You > > > Amy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I forgot to tell you he has cancer all over and it is slow growing but he has probley had it for at least 1 year. It is at the base of his scull, in the lungs, and a few other places. It is considered stage IV cancer. oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote: > > > Hi Amy, > > How much time do the doctors give him and what type of cancer does he > have? We may possibly know someone who has some Sutherlandia OPC on > hand. I will find out today and get back to you. > > In the meantime........... > > Start with Tony's Anti-Cancer Protocol: > > /anticancer.htm > </anticancer.htm> > > This will tell you what supplements to use. Also, diet is very > important. You will see the guidelines in the protocol. This protocol > is intended for all types of cancers and targets strengthening the > immune system, the very way cancer entered the body in the first place. > > Diet is a very important part of healing. Remove sugar first of all. > Cancer feeds on sugar. You will find the guidelines in the protocol. > Does he have an appetite? > > You can order the oleander supplement from http://www.sutherlndiaopc.com > <http://www.sutherlndiaopc.com> . However, in the essence of time, it > would be much better to get the soup. What state do you live in? You > may check local nurseries to see if they have oleander plants but try to > make sure it's organic. One thing you have to make absolutely sure of > is that the plant has not been sprayed with any pesticides whatsoever. > If after making the soup, you should notice tingling and/or numbness on > your lips and tongue, it has been indeed sprayed and you must discard > the soup. I would hate for this to happen to you. > > Cancer's Natural Enemy is an excellent ebook that goes into thorough > detail and walks you through the natural healing process. If you don't > have it, I do recommend that you get it. > > Until you can get the Oleander, start on the rest of the protocol > immediately. > > I am also going to leave you with the following link: > > /Black_Cumin.htm > </Black_Cumin.htm> > > I wish you and your grandad the very best Amy. > > Hugs, > > > > oleander soup , " salenbailey " salenbailey@ > > wrote: > > > > > > My grandfather has stage IV cancer. He has lost all energy from the > > > few rounds of chemo and all of the radiation he has recieved. They > > > are haveing a hard time keeping his blood pressure up and they keep > > > having to give fluids, magnisum, and have even given him a > > > transfusion. I just got a call that they have desided not to do > > > chemo and have called hospis to come in. The basis is I don't have > > > time to waste. I am a health nut by nature and have been following > > > oleander for about 6 months to 1 year now. I have read the research > > > there is out there but I am confused on where to start. I know I > can > > > get capsuls according to cancertutor.com but I read that I might be > > > able to get them quicker from here. I also am confused on what to > > > add to the protcol(supplement wise). Does the ebook tell this in > > > clear detail? I have read the main page but it has many different > > > types of cancer treatments so I am not sure what I need to have for > > > supplements and what is just to put out there. Can someone please > > > help ASAP. My grandpa is only in his 70's and has many more years > > > ahead of him. I know he is in alot of pain and feels he is a burden > > > due to the chemo taking all the energy he had amd the many Dr trips > > > to the ER and Dr. > > > > > > Thank You > > > Amy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I am near you. I live in Sugar Grove and have a chiropractic office in Geneva. I have some of the home made soup and some of the capsules of Sutherlandia OPC. Mike--- On Thu, 2/19/09, salenbailey <salenbailey wrote: salenbailey <salenbailey Re: Confused on where to start ASAPoleander soup Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:22 AM Thank you very much. I live in Rochelle IL. My grandpa is in Sterling. I just got back from seeing him and he has given me the go ahead to help him. I don't mind getting the ebook if it will tell me what I can/need to give vitamin wise. I have already started the cottage cheese/flax oil plus some other supplements like COQ10 and IP6. There was more along the celluar energy line of things. He does not have much hunger at all but he did eat all of the cottage cheese (4Tbs CC to 2Tbs flax). I do know all about the diet and sugar and have addressed that already however I know they have far to go. Being that we have a hard winter, I don't think I will be able to get the plant. Does anyone know about the food grade hydrogen peroxide? As you all are aware of, time is of the essence.Thank You soooo muchAmyoleander soup, " May" <luellamay129@ ...> wrote:>> > Hi Amy,> > How much time do the doctors give him and what type of cancer does he> have? We may possibly know someone who has some Sutherlandia OPC on> hand. I will find out today and get back to you.> > In the meantime.... .......> > Start with Tony's Anti-Cancer Protocol:> > http://www.tbyil. com/anticancer. htm> <http://www.tbyil. com/anticancer. htm>> > This will tell you what supplements to use. Also, diet is very> important. You will see the guidelines in the protocol. This protocol> is intended for all types of cancers and targets strengthening the> immune system, the very way cancer entered the body in the first place.> > Diet is a very important part of healing. Remove sugar first of all. > Cancer feeds on sugar. You will find the guidelines in the protocol. > Does he have an appetite?> > You can order the oleander supplement from http://www.sutherln diaopc.com> <http://www.sutherln diaopc.com> . However, in the essence of time, it> would be much better to get the soup. What state do you live in? You> may check local nurseries to see if they have oleander plants but try to> make sure it's organic. One thing you have to make absolutely sure of> is that the plant has not been sprayed with any pesticides whatsoever. > If after making the soup, you should notice tingling and/or numbness on> your lips and tongue, it has been indeed sprayed and you must discard> the soup. I would hate for this to happen to you.> > Cancer's Natural Enemy is an excellent ebook that goes into thorough> detail and walks you through the natural healing process. If you don't> have it, I do recommend that you get it.> > Until you can get the Oleander, start on the rest of the protocol> immediately.> > I am also going to leave you with the following link:> > http://www.tbyil. com/Black_ Cumin.htm> <http://www.tbyil. com/Black_ Cumin.htm>> > I wish you and your grandad the very best Amy.> > Hugs,> > > > oleander soup, "salenbailey" salenbailey@> > wrote:> > >> > > My grandfather has stage IV cancer. He has lost all energy from the> > > few rounds of chemo and all of the radiation he has recieved. They> > > are haveing a hard time keeping his blood pressure up and they keep> > > having to give fluids, magnisum, and have even given him a> > > transfusion. I just got a call that they have desided not to do> > > chemo and have called hospis to come in. The basis is I don't have> > > time to waste. I am a health nut by nature and have been following> > > oleander for about 6 months to 1 year now. I have read the research> > > there is out there but I am confused on where to start. I know I> can> > > get capsuls according to cancertutor. com but I read that I might be> > > able to get them quicker from here. I also am confused on what to> > > add to the protcol(supplement wise). Does the ebook tell this in> > > clear detail? I have read the main page but it has many different> > > types of cancer treatments so I am not sure what I need to have for> > > supplements and what is just to put out there. Can someone please> > > help ASAP. My grandpa is only in his 70's and has many more years> > > ahead of him. I know he is in alot of pain and feels he is a burden> > > due to the chemo taking all the energy he had amd the many Dr trips> > > to the ER and Dr.> > >> > > Thank You> > > Amy> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Hi Amy,The ebook will give you a thorough understanding of how cancer enters the body in the first place and the path toward natural healing. However, start with the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol . This outlines the specific supplements that will help him. May I ask, is your grandad at home or is a hospice facility? You have made a great start by introducing the Budwig Diet, together with CoQ10 and Inositol/IP6. You will notice that the cottage cheese and flax oil, and Inositol/IP6 are recommended in Tony's protocol. Add the other supplements and recommendations in the protocol and you have a very good chance of rebuilding your grandad's bodily arsenal so he is able to fight the cancer.I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to food grade hydrogen peroxide, but I am sure someone will come along to respond to this question. Illinois is a bit north. Chances are, especially, in the winter season that the plant will not be available. I am going to email you privately and hopefully we can get the Sutherlandia OPC to you in short order. I just went to look up some information and saw Mike Golden's message to you. Bless your heart Mike! Thank you! Amy, please keep us posted on your grandad. Please know that our thoughts and prayers are with you.Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote: Mike Golden <goldenmike86 Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP oleander soup Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:36 PM I'm resending my response since the original ended up in my spam folder when I got it. I changed it to " plain text " . I see that got it, but I'm resending to make sure. Mike I am near you. I live in Sugar Grove and have a chiropractic office in Geneva. I have some of the home made soup and some of the capsules of Sutherlandia OPC. Mike --- On Thu, 2/19/09, salenbailey <salenbailey@ > wrote: salenbailey <salenbailey@ > Re: Confused on where to start ASAP oleander soup Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:22 AM Thank you very much. I live in Rochelle IL. My grandpa is in Sterling. I just got back from seeing him and he has given me the go ahead to help him. I don't mind getting the ebook if it will tell me what I can/need to give vitamin wise. I have already started the cottage cheese/flax oil plus some other supplements like COQ10 and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Mike, how can I find your office? I live in Batavia and would like to talk to you. Mike Golden <goldenmike86oleander soup Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:01:30 AMRe: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ > wrote:Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ >Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAPoleander soupThursday, February 19, 2009, 3:36 PMI'm resending my response since the original ended up in my spam folder when I got it. I changed it to "plain text". I see that got it, but I'm resending to make sure.MikeI am near you. I live in Sugar Grove and have a chiropractic office in Geneva. I have some of the home made soup and some of the capsules of Sutherlandia OPC. Mike--- On Thu, 2/19/09, salenbailey <salenbailey@ > wrote:salenbailey <salenbailey@ > Re: Confused on where to start ASAPoleander soupThursday, February 19, 2009, 5:22 AMThank you very much. I live in Rochelle IL. My grandpa is in Sterling. I just got back from seeing him and he has given me the go ahead to help him. I don't mind getting the ebook if it will tell me what I can/need to give vitamin wise. I have already started the cottage cheese/flax oil plus some other supplements like COQ10 and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Thank you all for helping. You all are so wonderful and if I ever have cancer, I know exactly where to go. There has been a turn in events today. I will explain in a simple manner although it is anything but simple. My Nanny just called this afternoon and said that " she has been told she jumped the gun " and that she wants to hold off on anything. She needs time to talk it over with Hospis and others. I know my aunt is responsible for all this and I don't know what to do. So, for now I am going to be still and know that He is God even though that is the far from what I want to do. Mike, thank you so much for your generosity and if I need anything more I will let you know. My Papa is from what they have told me, the same today as what he was yesterday however his body is very weak and telling him he is in desperate need of magnesium (his right shoulder and low back are in so much pain, he could not sleep again last night). Please keep praying for him and my Nanny as the road traveled way too much is still long. I will keep you in touch. Thank you all sooo much Amy oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote: > > Hi Amy, > > The ebook will give you a thorough understanding of how cancer enters > the body in the first place and the path toward natural healing. > However, start with the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol > </anticancer.htm> . This outlines the specific > supplements that will help him. May I ask, is your grandad at home or > is a hospice facility? You have made a great start by introducing the > Budwig Diet, together with CoQ10 and Inositol/IP6. You will notice that > the cottage cheese and flax oil, and Inositol/IP6 are recommended in > Tony's protocol. Add the other supplements and recommendations in the > protocol and you have a very good chance of rebuilding your grandad's > bodily arsenal so he is able to fight the cancer. > > I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to food grade hydrogen > peroxide, but I am sure someone will come along to respond to this > question. > > Illinois is a bit north. Chances are, especially, in the winter season > that the plant will not be available. I am going to email you privately > and hopefully we can get the Sutherlandia OPC to you in short order. > > I just went to look up some information and saw Mike Golden's message to > you. Bless your heart Mike! Thank you! > > Amy, please keep us posted on your grandad. Please know that our > thoughts and prayers are with you. > > Hugs, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Amy,Please do keep in touch. I want you to know that we are here for you. Yours is a very difficult situation, as sometimes we have no control over the decision of others. All you can do is talk to them and hope that you can influence them.My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.Hugs,oleander soup , "salenbailey" <salenbailey wrote:>> Thank you all for helping. You all are so wonderful and if I ever > have cancer, I know exactly where to go. There has been a turn in > events today. I will explain in a simple manner although it is > anything but simple. My Nanny just called this afternoon and said > that "she has been told she jumped the gun" and that she wants to > hold off on anything. She needs time to talk it over with Hospis and > others. I know my aunt is responsible for all this and I don't know > what to do. So, for now I am going to be still and know that He is > God even though that is the far from what I want to do. Mike, thank > you so much for your generosity and if I need anything more I will > let you know. My Papa is from what they have told me, the same today > as what he was yesterday however his body is very weak and telling > him he is in desperate need of magnesium (his right shoulder and low > back are in so much pain, he could not sleep again last night). > Please keep praying for him and my Nanny as the road traveled way too > much is still long. I will keep you in touch. > > Thank you all sooo much> Amy > > > oleander soup , " May" luellamay129@ > wrote:> >> > Hi Amy,> > > > The ebook will give you a thorough understanding of how cancer > enters> > the body in the first place and the path toward natural healing. > > However, start with the Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol> > </anticancer.htm> . This outlines the specific> > supplements that will help him. May I ask, is your grandad at home > or> > is a hospice facility? You have made a great start by introducing > the> > Budwig Diet, together with CoQ10 and Inositol/IP6. You will notice > that> > the cottage cheese and flax oil, and Inositol/IP6 are recommended in> > Tony's protocol. Add the other supplements and recommendations in > the> > protocol and you have a very good chance of rebuilding your > grandad's> > bodily arsenal so he is able to fight the cancer.> > > > I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to food grade hydrogen> > peroxide, but I am sure someone will come along to respond to this> > question.> > > > Illinois is a bit north. Chances are, especially, in the winter > season> > that the plant will not be available. I am going to email you > privately> > and hopefully we can get the Sutherlandia OPC to you in short order.> > > > I just went to look up some information and saw Mike Golden's > message to> > you. Bless your heart Mike! Thank you!> > > > Amy, please keep us posted on your grandad. Please know that our> > thoughts and prayers are with you.> > > > Hugs,> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I ditto what said. We are here for you and we understand the difficulty, though you might ask your aunt what the possible harm could be in trying something that has saved others when his doctors have given up. I understand the concept of giving it up to God, but I guess I am just too possessed of self-will. But then I believe that we were given self-will for a reason and so I tend to be pretty proactive. It is just so sad and so frustrating for me to see people reject even trying a natural alternative route when mainstream medicine has essentially admitted that they have given up and can offer no help. Such is the results of generations of brainwashing that tells us that man is somehow superior to God and that God and nature have somehow become quacks. My own 85 year old uncle had lung cancer that had metasticized and, although his oncologist had not given up he had also been proven wrong by telling him that they had caught it early and should be able to treat it successfully with targeted radiation pellets. Instead the cancer continued to grow and spread. Instead of listening to his oncologist and taking more radiation and beginning chemo, he opted for oleander, some other supplements and a healthy diet and lifestyle. Today he is alive and well and playing a round of his beloved golf every day. I have no doubt that such would not have been the case if he had stuck with mainstream treatment. To show the extent of the brainwashing, his sister and a brother in law have both come down with cancer since him and both opted for mainstream surgery, radiation and/or chemo - mainly because of what they had been told and what relatives encouraged them to do. One is doing OK so far and the other, my aunt, is in a hospice on her death bed - with perhaps still enough time to be saved, but with relatives deadset against trying what saved her own brother even after her doctors have given up hope. It makes me want to chew nails! No matter what, though, we are here for you - and for your father too if only we could be permitted. oleander soup , "salenbailey" <salenbailey wrote:>> Thank you all for helping. You all are so wonderful and if I ever > have cancer, I know exactly where to go. There has been a turn in > events today. I will explain in a simple manner although it is > anything but simple. My Nanny just called this afternoon and said > that "she has been told she jumped the gun" and that she wants to > hold off on anything. She needs time to talk it over with Hospis and > others. I know my aunt is responsible for all this and I don't know > what to do. So, for now I am going to be still and know that He is > God even though that is the far from what I want to do. Mike, thank > you so much for your generosity and if I need anything more I will > let you know. My Papa is from what they have told me, the same today > as what he was yesterday however his body is very weak and telling > him he is in desperate need of magnesium (his right shoulder and low > back are in so much pain, he could not sleep again last night). > Please keep praying for him and my Nanny as the road traveled way too > much is still long. I will keep you in touch. > > Thank you all sooo much> Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I totally agree with you Tony, I am so upset, I have been shaking. I have tried my other aunt. She is more level headed but I don't know what will happen with her. My other aunt is against it because " I am giving them false hope " . I agree that people are given a God given right to choose. My husband and I own a health food store here in our town and that is the only thing that keeps me here. If I did not realize that, I would have gone insane trying to judge people. I am not easily offended and I don't easily give up. We got into the natural world with my second son who HAD some sleeping issues that the Dr community could not figure out. There answer was to give him (18 months at the time) hard core narcatics (sorry, having a hard time spelling right now). Of course that did not help and left us out on our own. Not accepting that was the end and there was no help, I decided to search the internet for possible natural remedies and found Calcium/Magnesium. Of course that worked and now all is well in that area. God insisted that we must grow with the natural health and gave us several more family health struggles. Several years later, that is how we got here. Amy oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > > I ditto what said. We are here for you and we understand the > difficulty, though you might ask your aunt what the possible harm could > be in trying something that has saved others when his doctors have given > up. > > I understand the concept of giving it up to God, but I guess I am just > too possessed of self-will. But then I believe that we were given > self-will for a reason and so I tend to be pretty proactive. > > It is just so sad and so frustrating for me to see people reject even > trying a natural alternative route when mainstream medicine has > essentially admitted that they have given up and can offer no help. > > Such is the results of generations of brainwashing that tells us that > man is somehow superior to God and that God and nature have somehow > become quacks. > > My own 85 year old uncle had lung cancer that had metasticized and, > although his oncologist had not given up he had also been proven wrong > by telling him that they had caught it early and should be able to treat > it successfully with targeted radiation pellets. Instead the cancer > continued to grow and spread. > > Instead of listening to his oncologist and taking more radiation and > beginning chemo, he opted for oleander, some other supplements and a > healthy diet and lifestyle. Today he is alive and well and playing a > round of his beloved golf every day. I have no doubt that such would > not have been the case if he had stuck with mainstream treatment. > > To show the extent of the brainwashing, his sister and a brother in law > have both come down with cancer since him and both opted for mainstream > surgery, radiation and/or chemo - mainly because of what they had been > told and what relatives encouraged them to do. > > One is doing OK so far and the other, my aunt, is in a hospice on her > death bed - with perhaps still enough time to be saved, but with > relatives deadset against trying what saved her own brother even after > her doctors have given up hope. > > It makes me want to chew nails! > > No matter what, though, we are here for you - and for your father too if > only we could be permitted. > > > > > oleander soup , " salenbailey " <salenbailey@> > wrote: > > > > Thank you all for helping. You all are so wonderful and if I ever > > have cancer, I know exactly where to go. There has been a turn in > > events today. I will explain in a simple manner although it is > > anything but simple. My Nanny just called this afternoon and said > > that " she has been told she jumped the gun " and that she wants to > > hold off on anything. She needs time to talk it over with Hospis and > > others. I know my aunt is responsible for all this and I don't know > > what to do. So, for now I am going to be still and know that He is > > God even though that is the far from what I want to do. Mike, thank > > you so much for your generosity and if I need anything more I will > > let you know. My Papa is from what they have told me, the same today > > as what he was yesterday however his body is very weak and telling > > him he is in desperate need of magnesium (his right shoulder and low > > back are in so much pain, he could not sleep again last night). > > Please keep praying for him and my Nanny as the road traveled way too > > much is still long. I will keep you in touch. > > > > Thank you all sooo much > > Amy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 A friend of my wife has Hep C that has reached the critical stage and she is dying. She called my wife the other day and got me first. I told her that I knew of some alternative approaches that could probably help her. She immediately got really defensive and said that she had been a nurse for X years and she was not about to try any " alternative crap " . Not about to try? Not about to try? Why would someone prefer death to trying ANYTHING to stay alive? This just boggles my mind. The really sad thing is that she lives in an area where oleander grows abundantly, almost like weeds. > > It is just so sad and so frustrating for me to see people reject even > trying a natural alternative route when mainstream medicine has > essentially admitted that they have given up and can offer no help. > > Such is the results of generations of brainwashing that tells us that > man is somehow superior to God and that God and nature have somehow > become quacks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Ask your aunt that even if natural alternative did not work, which she has no way of knowing whether they would or not, what, pray tell, is the benefit of living your final days with hope instead of being resigned to death? If your father has at least two or more estimated months left, the chances may be greater than 50% of success. Even if they were 2% would she or anyone else not want to take the chance given the alternative? That is the chance that was taken with chemo, which has only a 2% success rate compared to no chemo, and look at the side effects you get with chemo compared to virtually none with natural alternatives. Makes no sense except for damned brainwashed bullheadedness. Pardon my bluntness. oleander soup , "salenbailey" <salenbailey wrote:>> I totally agree with you Tony, I am so upset, I have been shaking. I > have tried my other aunt. She is more level headed but I don't know > what will happen with her. My other aunt is against it because "I am > giving them false hope". I agree that people are given a God given > right to choose. My husband and I own a health food store here in > our town and that is the only thing that keeps me here. If I did not > realize that, I would have gone insane trying to judge people. I am > not easily offended and I don't easily give up. We got into the > natural world with my second son who HAD some sleeping issues that > the Dr community could not figure out. There answer was to give him > (18 months at the time) hard core narcatics (sorry, having a hard > time spelling right now). Of course that did not help and left us > out on our own. Not accepting that was the end and there was no > help, I decided to search the internet for possible natural remedies > and found Calcium/Magnesium. Of course that worked and now all is > well in that area. God insisted that we must grow with the natural > health and gave us several more family health struggles. Several > years later, that is how we got here. > > Amy > > oleander soup , "Tony" @ wrote:> >> > > > I ditto what said. We are here for you and we understand the> > difficulty, though you might ask your aunt what the possible harm > could> > be in trying something that has saved others when his doctors have > given> > up.> > > > I understand the concept of giving it up to God, but I guess I am > just> > too possessed of self-will. But then I believe that we were given> > self-will for a reason and so I tend to be pretty proactive.> > > > It is just so sad and so frustrating for me to see people reject > even> > trying a natural alternative route when mainstream medicine has> > essentially admitted that they have given up and can offer no help.> > > > Such is the results of generations of brainwashing that tells us > that> > man is somehow superior to God and that God and nature have somehow> > become quacks.> > > > My own 85 year old uncle had lung cancer that had metasticized and,> > although his oncologist had not given up he had also been proven > wrong> > by telling him that they had caught it early and should be able to > treat> > it successfully with targeted radiation pellets. Instead the cancer> > continued to grow and spread.> > > > Instead of listening to his oncologist and taking more radiation and> > beginning chemo, he opted for oleander, some other supplements and a> > healthy diet and lifestyle. Today he is alive and well and playing > a> > round of his beloved golf every day. I have no doubt that such > would> > not have been the case if he had stuck with mainstream treatment.> > > > To show the extent of the brainwashing, his sister and a brother in > law> > have both come down with cancer since him and both opted for > mainstream> > surgery, radiation and/or chemo - mainly because of what they had > been> > told and what relatives encouraged them to do.> > > > One is doing OK so far and the other, my aunt, is in a hospice on > her> > death bed - with perhaps still enough time to be saved, but with> > relatives deadset against trying what saved her own brother even > after> > her doctors have given up hope.> > > > It makes me want to chew nails!> > > > No matter what, though, we are here for you - and for your father > too if> > only we could be permitted.> > > > Tony> > > > > > oleander soup , "salenbailey" <salenbailey@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Thank you all for helping. You all are so wonderful and if I ever> > > have cancer, I know exactly where to go. There has been a turn in> > > events today. I will explain in a simple manner although it is> > > anything but simple. My Nanny just called this afternoon and said> > > that "she has been told she jumped the gun" and that she wants to> > > hold off on anything. She needs time to talk it over with Hospis > and> > > others. I know my aunt is responsible for all this and I don't > know> > > what to do. So, for now I am going to be still and know that He is> > > God even though that is the far from what I want to do. Mike, > thank> > > you so much for your generosity and if I need anything more I will> > > let you know. My Papa is from what they have told me, the same > today> > > as what he was yesterday however his body is very weak and telling> > > him he is in desperate need of magnesium (his right shoulder and > low> > > back are in so much pain, he could not sleep again last night).> > > Please keep praying for him and my Nanny as the road traveled way > too> > > much is still long. I will keep you in touch.> > >> > > Thank you all sooo much> > > Amy> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 jrrjim, You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Just remember that as you watch this person die, it might help keep your mind at ease. Bob - " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10 <oleander soup > Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:53 PM Re: Confused on where to start ASAP >A friend of my wife has Hep C that has reached the critical stage and > she is dying. She called my wife the other day and got me first. I > told her that I knew of some alternative approaches that could > probably help her. She immediately got really defensive and said > that she had been a nurse for X years and she was not about to try > any " alternative crap " . > > Not about to try? Not about to try? Why would someone prefer death > to trying ANYTHING to stay alive? This just boggles my mind. > > The really sad thing is that she lives in an area where oleander > grows abundantly, almost like weeds. > >> >> It is just so sad and so frustrating for me to see people reject > even >> trying a natural alternative route when mainstream medicine has >> essentially admitted that they have given up and can offer no help. >> >> Such is the results of generations of brainwashing that tells us > that >> man is somehow superior to God and that God and nature have somehow >> become quacks. >> > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 It's at 522 W. State St. in Geneva. 630-262-9909 Mike--- On Thu, 2/19/09, meribeth dunsmoor <mdunsmoor wrote: meribeth dunsmoor <mdunsmoorRe: Re: Confused on where to start ASAPoleander soup Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:58 PM Mike, how can I find your office? I live in Batavia and would like to talk to you. Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ >oleander soupThursday, February 19, 2009 10:01:30 AMRe: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ > wrote:Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ >Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAPoleander soupThursday, February 19, 2009, 3:36 PMI'm resending my response since the original ended up in my spam folder when I got it. I changed it to "plain text". I see that got it, but I'm resending to make sure.MikeI am near you. I live in Sugar Grove and have a chiropractic office in Geneva. I have some of the home made soup and some of the capsules of Sutherlandia OPC. Mike--- On Thu, 2/19/09, salenbailey <salenbailey@ > wrote:salenbailey <salenbailey@ > Re: Confused on where to start ASAPoleander soupThursday, February 19, 2009, 5:22 AMThank you very much. I live in Rochelle IL. My grandpa is in Sterling. I just got back from seeing him and he has given me the go ahead to help him. I don't mind getting the ebook if it will tell me what I can/need to give vitamin wise. I have already started the cottage cheese/flax oil plus some other supplements like COQ10 and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Do you know anything about the use of food grade Hydrogen Peroxide? Do you know where I can pick some up? I talked with Nanny tonight and she is going to talk with Papa and Hospice tomorrow. I don't know what Hospice will say but my other aunt Julie and her husband are 100% for what I want to do. I think I will be starting the treatments within the next few days if Papa can hold on. oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote: > > It's at 522 W. State St. in Geneva. 630-262-9909 > > Mike > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, meribeth dunsmoor <mdunsmoor wrote: > > meribeth dunsmoor <mdunsmoor > Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP > oleander soup > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:58 PM > > Mike, how can I find your office? I live in Batavia and would like to talk to you. > > > > > > Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ > > oleander soup > Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:01:30 AM > Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ > wrote: > > Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ > > Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP > oleander soup > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:36 PM > > I'm resending my response since the original ended up in my spam folder when I got it. I changed it to " plain text " . I see that got it, but I'm resending to make sure. > > Mike > > I am near you. I live in Sugar Grove and have a chiropractic office in Geneva. I have some of the home made soup and some of the capsules of Sutherlandia OPC. > > Mike > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, salenbailey <salenbailey@ > wrote: > > salenbailey <salenbailey@ > > Re: Confused on where to start ASAP > oleander soup > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:22 AM > > Thank you very much. I live in Rochelle IL. My grandpa is in > Sterling. I just got back from seeing him and he has given me the go > ahead to help him. I don't mind getting the ebook if it will tell me > what I can/need to give vitamin wise. I have already started the > cottage cheese/flax oil plus some other supplements like COQ10 and > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I take and prefer what I consider to be an equally effective and safer product OxyGen, available in capsule or liquid form. The flaxseed oil and cottage cheese in the Budwig diet may be the best way to provide oxygen at the cellular level, but I can tell a difference when I take the OxyGen. If you decide to order it from Utopia Silver I will remind that our group discount code of LR001 is good for 15% off any items they have not currently on sale. oleander soup , "salenbailey" <salenbailey wrote:>> Do you know anything about the use of food grade Hydrogen Peroxide? > Do you know where I can pick some up? I talked with Nanny tonight > and she is going to talk with Papa and Hospice tomorrow. I don't > know what Hospice will say but my other aunt Julie and her husband > are 100% for what I want to do. I think I will be starting the > treatments within the next few days if Papa can hold on. > > oleander soup , Mike Golden goldenmike86@ > wrote:> >> > It's at 522 W. State St. in Geneva. 630-262-9909> > > > Mike> > > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, meribeth dunsmoor mdunsmoor@ wrote:> > > > meribeth dunsmoor mdunsmoor@> > Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP> > oleander soup > > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:58 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, how can I find your office? I live in Batavia and would like > to talk to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ >> > oleander soup> > Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:01:30 AM> > Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ > wrote:> > > > Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ >> > Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP> > oleander soup> > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:36 PM> > > > I'm resending my response since the original ended up in my spam > folder when I got it. I changed it to "plain text". I see that > got it, but I'm resending to make sure.> > > > Mike> > > > I am near you. I live in Sugar Grove and have a chiropractic > office in Geneva. I have some of the home made soup and some of the > capsules of Sutherlandia OPC. > > > > Mike> > > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, salenbailey <salenbailey@ > wrote:> > > > salenbailey <salenbailey@ >> > Re: Confused on where to start ASAP> > oleander soup> > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:22 AM> > > > Thank you very much. I live in Rochelle IL. My grandpa is in > > Sterling. I just got back from seeing him and he has given me the > go > > ahead to help him. I don't mind getting the ebook if it will tell > me > > what I can/need to give vitamin wise. I have already started the > > cottage cheese/flax oil plus some other supplements like COQ10 and> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Food grade hydrogen peroxide can be dangerous if taken orally. There have been recent cases of air embolism in the portal circulation due to oral ingestion of food grade hydrogen peroxide. This can cause permanent lung damage or, in some cases, a stroke. Mike--- On Fri, 2/20/09, salenbailey <salenbailey wrote: salenbailey <salenbailey Re: Confused on where to start ASAPoleander soup Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 4:08 AM Do you know anything about the use of food grade Hydrogen Peroxide? Do you know where I can pick some up? I talked with Nanny tonight and she is going to talk with Papa and Hospice tomorrow. I don't know what Hospice will say but my other aunt Julie and her husband are 100% for what I want to do. I think I will be starting the treatments within the next few days if Papa can hold on. oleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> wrote:>> It's at 522 W. State St. in Geneva. 630-262-9909> > Mike> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, meribeth dunsmoor <mdunsmoor@. ..> wrote:> > meribeth dunsmoor <mdunsmoor@. ..>> Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP> oleander soup> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:58 PM> > > > > > > > > Mike, how can I find your office? I live in Batavia and would like to talk to you.> > > > > > Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ >> oleander soup> Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:01:30 AM> Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP> > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ > wrote:> > Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ >> Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP> oleander soup> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:36 PM> > I'm resending my response since the original ended up in my spam folder when I got it. I changed it to "plain text". I see that got it, but I'm resending to make sure.> > Mike> > I am near you. I live in Sugar Grove and have a chiropractic office in Geneva. I have some of the home made soup and some of the capsules of Sutherlandia OPC. > > Mike> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, salenbailey <salenbailey@ > wrote:> > salenbailey <salenbailey@ >> Re: Confused on where to start ASAP> oleander soup> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:22 AM> > Thank you very much. I live in Rochelle IL. My grandpa is in > Sterling. I just got back from seeing him and he has given me the go > ahead to help him. I don't mind getting the ebook if it will tell me > what I can/need to give vitamin wise. I have already started the > cottage cheese/flax oil plus some other supplements like COQ10 and> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 All the places I have read about it says it is safe to use a small amount of drops in water and work your way up. I got the information from some venders and cancerturtor.com. I do get the fact that if I don't do it right, there will be problems. I want to do it because they state that it is one of those things that will give him time for the oleander to work. Do you know any research about it when used in this manner. I know that if I am given the go ahead tonight, my biggest task is going to be getting and keeping the magnesium level up along with the liver. I am sure do to the fact they used to drink several alcohol drinks a night, plus the chemo, he is going to need some big help in that area as well. oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote: > > Food grade hydrogen peroxide can be dangerous if taken orally. There have been recent cases of air embolism in the portal circulation due to oral ingestion of food grade hydrogen peroxide. This can cause permanent lung damage or, in some cases, a stroke. > > Mike > > --- On Fri, 2/20/09, salenbailey <salenbailey wrote: > > salenbailey <salenbailey > Re: Confused on where to start ASAP > oleander soup > Friday, February 20, 2009, 4:08 AM Do you know anything about the use of food grade Hydrogen Peroxide? > Do you know where I can pick some up? I talked with Nanny tonight > and she is going to talk with Papa and Hospice tomorrow. I don't > know what Hospice will say but my other aunt Julie and her husband > are 100% for what I want to do. I think I will be starting the > treatments within the next few days if Papa can hold on. > > oleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> > wrote: > > > > It's at 522 W. State St. in Geneva. 630-262-9909 > > > > Mike > > > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, meribeth dunsmoor <mdunsmoor@ ..> wrote: > > > > meribeth dunsmoor <mdunsmoor@ ..> > > Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP > > oleander soup > > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:58 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, how can I find your office? I live in Batavia and would like > to talk to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ > > > oleander soup > > Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:01:30 AM > > Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ > wrote: > > > > Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ > > > Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP > > oleander soup > > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:36 PM > > > > I'm resending my response since the original ended up in my spam > folder when I got it. I changed it to " plain text " . I see that > got it, but I'm resending to make sure. > > > > Mike > > > > I am near you. I live in Sugar Grove and have a chiropractic > office in Geneva. I have some of the home made soup and some of the > capsules of Sutherlandia OPC. > > > > Mike > > > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, salenbailey <salenbailey@ > wrote: > > > > salenbailey <salenbailey@ > > > Re: Confused on where to start ASAP > > oleander soup > > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:22 AM > > > > Thank you very much. I live in Rochelle IL. My grandpa is in > > Sterling. I just got back from seeing him and he has given me the > go > > ahead to help him. I don't mind getting the ebook if it will tell > me > > what I can/need to give vitamin wise. I have already started the > > cottage cheese/flax oil plus some other supplements like COQ10 and > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 You can get magnesium chloride which you can apply by spraying it on the skin. The absorption of magnesium is quite good done this way. Look for the Japanese culinary product called "nagari". It is pure magnesium chloride derived from sea water. You mix this into distilled water until no more will you create a saturated solution. Spray on several times a day. you can massage it in. It has a somewhat slippery feeling. This is a far better way to increase magnesium stores than oral supplementation. "Sneaking up" on hydrogen peroxide" dosewise won't prevent a bad event from happening. It's a "role of the dice". Frankly there is little merit to the use of hydrogen peroxide this way, no matter what you have read. Mike --- On Fri, 2/20/09, salenbailey <salenbailey wrote: salenbailey <salenbailey Re: Confused on where to start ASAPoleander soup Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 2:50 PM All the places I have read about it says it is safe to use a small amount of drops in water and work your way up. I got the information from some venders and cancerturtor. com. I do get the fact that if I don't do it right, there will be problems. I want to do it because they state that it is one of those things that will give him time for the oleander to work. Do you know any research about it when used in this manner. I know that if I am given the go ahead tonight, my biggest task is going to be getting and keeping the magnesium level up along with the liver. I am sure do to the fact they used to drink several alcohol drinks a night, plus the chemo, he is going to need some big help in that area as well. oleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> wrote:>> Food grade hydrogen peroxide can be dangerous if taken orally. There have been recent cases of air embolism in the portal circulation due to oral ingestion of food grade hydrogen peroxide. This can cause permanent lung damage or, in some cases, a stroke.> > Mike> > --- On Fri, 2/20/09, salenbailey <salenbailey@ ...> wrote:> > salenbailey <salenbailey@ ...>> Re: Confused on where to start ASAP> oleander soup> Friday, February 20, 2009, 4:08 AM> > > > > > > Do you know anything about the use of food grade Hydrogen Peroxide? > Do you know where I can pick some up? I talked with Nanny tonight > and she is going to talk with Papa and Hospice tomorrow. I don't > know what Hospice will say but my other aunt Julie and her husband > are 100% for what I want to do. I think I will be starting the > treatments within the next few days if Papa can hold on. > > oleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> > wrote:> >> > It's at 522 W. State St. in Geneva. 630-262-9909> > > > Mike> > > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, meribeth dunsmoor <mdunsmoor@ ..> wrote:> > > > meribeth dunsmoor <mdunsmoor@ ..>> > Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP> > oleander soup> > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:58 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, how can I find your office? I live in Batavia and would like > to talk to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ >> > oleander soup> > Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:01:30 AM> > Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ > wrote:> > > > Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ >> > Re: Re: Confused on where to start ASAP> > oleander soup> > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:36 PM> > > > I'm resending my response since the original ended up in my spam > folder when I got it. I changed it to "plain text". I see that > got it, but I'm resending to make sure.> > > > Mike> > > > I am near you. I live in Sugar Grove and have a chiropractic > office in Geneva. I have some of the home made soup and some of the > capsules of Sutherlandia OPC. > > > > Mike> > > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, salenbailey <salenbailey@ > wrote:> > > > salenbailey <salenbailey@ >> > Re: Confused on where to start ASAP> > oleander soup> > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:22 AM> > > > Thank you very much. I live in Rochelle IL. My grandpa is in > > Sterling. I just got back from seeing him and he has given me the > go > > ahead to help him. I don't mind getting the ebook if it will tell > me > > what I can/need to give vitamin wise. I have already started the > > cottage cheese/flax oil plus some other supplements like COQ10 and> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I mailed the last item before I proofread it. It was a little hard to understand. Here is the corrected version: You can get magnesium chloride which you can apply by spraying it on the skin. The absorption of magnesium is quite good done this way. Look for the Japanese culinary product called "nagari". It is pure magnesium chloride derived from sea water. You mix this into distilled water until you create a saturated solution (no more will dissolve). Spray on several times a day. You can massage it in. It has a somewhat slippery feeling. This is a far better way to increase magnesium stores than oral supplementation. "Sneaking up" on hydrogen peroxide dosewise won't prevent a bad event from happening. It's a "roll of the dice". Embolisms can happen in an unpredictable way. Mike, the sloppy poster.--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Thanks Mike. I still have not heard from my grandparents. I will call them later tonight if they don't call me. I was doing more research and I realized that I don't know if Oleander causes any inflamation or swelling. As part of the brain cancer (I don't even know if they consider it brain cancer but one is located at the base of the skull behind the spine), he has double vision and can even have fainting spells. That is how they first found it is because he fainted. Now since he has started the Radiation and then Chemo, he has not had any fainting but he still will not open his right eye becuse of double vision. I am assuming that the fainting and double vision is due to swelling on the spinal nerves and such. I also don't know the type of cancer he has, just that it is slow growing and in multipule locations. Amy oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote: > > I mailed the last item before I proofread it. It was a little hard to understand. Here is the corrected version: > > > You can get magnesium chloride which you can apply by spraying it on the skin. The absorption of magnesium is quite good done this way. Look for the Japanese culinary product called " nagari " . It is pure magnesium chloride derived from sea water. You mix this into distilled water until you create a saturated solution (no more will dissolve). Spray on several times a day. You can massage it in. It has a somewhat slippery feeling. This is a far better way to increase magnesium stores than oral supplementation. > > " Sneaking up " on hydrogen peroxide dosewise won't prevent a bad event from happening. It's a " roll of the dice " . Embolisms can happen in an unpredictable way. > > Mike, the sloppy poster. > > --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Hi Amy,Oleander does not cause inflammation or swelling. Actually, it is very effective against cancer in the brain as it has no problem crossing the blood brain barrier.Good luck with talking to your grandparents tonight. And as Tony said, you can reason with them. He has a chance with alternative measures. Without them, there is no chance.My thoughts are with you.......oleander soup , "salenbailey" <salenbailey wrote:>> Thanks Mike. I still have not heard from my grandparents. I will > call them later tonight if they don't call me. I was doing more > research and I realized that I don't know if Oleander causes any > inflamation or swelling. As part of the brain cancer (I don't even > know if they consider it brain cancer but one is located at the base > of the skull behind the spine), he has double vision and can even > have fainting spells. That is how they first found it is because he > fainted. Now since he has started the Radiation and then Chemo, he > has not had any fainting but he still will not open his right eye > becuse of double vision. I am assuming that the fainting and double > vision is due to swelling on the spinal nerves and such. I also > don't know the type of cancer he has, just that it is slow growing > and in multipule locations. > > Amy> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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