TBM

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TBM sounds for all the world like some kind of new age voodoo and I would find it very hard to believe if I had not seen it appear to work firsthand on me, a pack of cigarettes and a bottle of spring water.

As it is, I still wonder - because it IS hard to believe , , ,

oleander soup , "ohlisa1" <lmcdewey wrote:>> Hi > > In TBM, the body tells you what supplements it needs. I held a vial> of the substance in one hand and the Dr. pushed down on my other> outstretched arm. If I was weak or needed that, my arm would give> out. Otherwise, it was strong. TBM is hard to describe. The best> description I can give is that it's like a new age faith healing, or a> new age 'laying on of hands', which may just sound weird. It just> seems to be working.> > What struck me about Dr. Kelly's lecture was that almost all of the> supplements my body needed are targeting the GI track. I've only been> taking about 10 days, but I already am seeing some improvement. I do> have some odd pains in my belly- maybe some stray cancer cells dying> off like Eva mentioned? and I seem to be losing some weight- always a> good thing. I also seem to be tired and tire easily, but I had> attributed that to strep throat passing through my family. Now I> think my body is de-toxing. > These are all from Standard Process: > 5000 mg garlic > DiGest(Gentian, Milk Thistle, Ginger, Dandelion Root, Tangerine (ripe> fruit peel and cold pressed oil) and Chamomile essential oil)> Lactic acid yeast > Trace Minerals-B12 (Vitamin B12, Iron, Iodine, Zinc, Copper,> Manganese)> 2 Zypan a day(proteolytic enzymes in combination with pancreatin **to> support the digestion and absorption of proteins**); > > I'm not doing alot yet beyond this. I'm trying to drink at least 3> qts of purified water a day, drink some green tea, eat some tumeric,> and I've tried to cut out coffee, sugar, white flour and anything> processed. I'm trying to eat healthier- lots of vegetables and fruits. > Do you think I should try a liver flush soon? If the supplements are> working, a flush would help my body process the toxins, right? I will> look to add other things as I go. I understand that this is a> complete change of life and lifestyle. To truly beat cancer this is> the only way.> > Thanks for all the suggestions. I know I'll need all the help I can> get to get through this.> Lisa>

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Tony, my main man... the only way to verify if this REALLY works is to

do a double-blind study.

 

Here -- check out this double-blind study on applied kinesiology posted

on YouTube:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDTuoXygZKk

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

>

> TBM sounds for all the world like some kind of new age voodoo and I

> would find it very hard to believe if I had not seen it appear to work

> firsthand on me, a pack of cigarettes and a bottle of spring water.

>

> As it is, I still wonder - because it IS hard to believe , , ,

>

> Tony

[Guest guest]

I may have jumped in too quickly on this one. What appeared to work for me was the arm strength compatibility test.

I know nothing else about the protocol, but found that to be pretty amazing. It was my son who demonstrated it to me and I am pretty sure he was not trying to trick me.

oleander soup , "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:>> Tony, my main man... the only way to verify if this REALLY works is to > do a double-blind study. > > Here -- check out this double-blind study on applied kinesiology posted > on YouTube:> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDTuoXygZKk > > oleander soup , "Tony" @ wrote:> >> > > > TBM sounds for all the world like some kind of new age voodoo and I> > would find it very hard to believe if I had not seen it appear to work> > firsthand on me, a pack of cigarettes and a bottle of spring water.> > > > As it is, I still wonder - because it IS hard to believe , , ,> > > > Tony>

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But the issue is that you know what you are holding or saying or

whatever. The muscle test may simply be a reflection of your

subconscious mind and your thoughts on some subject. Or it might be

the attitudes of the person pressing down on your arm. Or both.

 

This technique MIGHT BE an excellent lie detector with some people.

I know of one woman who tests her teenage kids using it. " What time

did you really get in last night? " Of course this relies on the

person being tested actually having a conscience. Sociopaths could

pass it regardless.

 

I knew of one naturopath who would base all of his product

recommendations on muscle testing. He claims that muscle testing

shows that soy is just fine for everyone. He also claims that all

NOW vitaminm products are pure garbage. Of course, he sells

supplements that are 2x, 3x, 4x, and 5x more costly than NOW

products, and NOW products pose a huge threat to his income.

 

When in doubt, run the double blind experiment. Have someone put

substances in opaque bags so that you can't tell what they are, even

by feeling the bag. The person putting the substances in the bags

should be neither the tester or the testee. Then see what happens.

 

Oh -- and Mike Golden KNOWS (or knew) the father of applied

kineseology, so you might want to get his input on this. I believe

that Mike said you actually had to put the tested substance in your

mouth, and that electromagnetic fields and other things could easily

disrupt the tests. At any rate, Mike has a lot to say on the

subject.

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

>

> I may have jumped in too quickly on this one. What appeared to

work for

> me was the arm strength compatibility test.

>

> I know nothing else about the protocol, but found that to be pretty

> amazing. It was my son who demonstrated it to me and I am pretty

sure

> he was not trying to trick me.

>

> >

> >

> oleander soup , " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10@>

wrote:

> >

> > Tony, my main man... the only way to verify if this REALLY works

is to

> > do a double-blind study.

> >

> > Here -- check out this double-blind study on applied kinesiology

> posted

> > on YouTube:

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDTuoXygZKk

> >

> > oleander soup , " Tony " @ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > TBM sounds for all the world like some kind of new age voodoo

and I

> > > would find it very hard to believe if I had not seen it appear

to

> work

> > > firsthand on me, a pack of cigarettes and a bottle of spring

water.

> > >

> > > As it is, I still wonder - because it IS hard to believe , , ,

> > >

> > > > >

>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

To be honest I went into my first visit w/ this dr. kind of blindly. I

really didn't research him or his techniques. I had my eyes closed for

most of my visit while my doc was doing TBM. He didn't tell me what I

was holding when he was doing the testing for the supplements. I

really didn't ask any questions either, which is unusual for me and

trust me, I'll make up for it on my next visit. It just struck me as

interesting that what I'm taking correlates w/ the Dr.Kelly lecture.

But that may just be my body's physiology.

 

Several years ago I took my oldest son to a holistic Dr. who had

someone in his clinic who did Nambudripad's allergy elimiination

technique, which is also muscle based responce. It worked for him, but

logistically and financially I couldn't keep taking him. Maybe that's

why I didn't question it.

 

I appreciate your posts

Lisa

[Guest guest]

Although you did not know what substance was being tested, the doctor did. He's as familiar with writings such as Kelly's as you are.

 

Mike--- On Mon, 2/16/09, ohlisa1 <lmcdewey wrote:

ohlisa1 <lmcdewey Re: TBMoleander soup Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 6:29 PM

 

 

Jim,To be honest I went into my first visit w/ this dr. kind of blindly. I really didn't research him or his techniques. I had my eyes closed for most of my visit while my doc was doing TBM. He didn't tell me what I was holding when he was doing the testing for the supplements. I really didn't ask any questions either, which is unusual for me and trust me, I'll make up for it on my next visit. It just struck me as interesting that what I'm taking correlates w/ the Dr.Kelly lecture. But that may just be my body's physiology. Several years ago I took my oldest son to a holistic Dr. who had someone in his clinic who did Nambudripad' s allergy elimiination technique, which is also muscle based responce. It worked for him, but logistically and financially I couldn't keep taking him. Maybe that's why I didn't question it.I appreciate your

postsLisa

[Guest guest]

When I was much younger, a friend and I got into messing around with

a ouija board. The most amazing stories came out of that board,

especially about our " past lives " . But after a few weeks, I noticed

a peculiar thing. If both of us knew the answer to a question, the

board knew. If my friend knew the answer to a question, the board

knew. But when I posed questions only I knew the answers to, the

board did not know.

 

To this day, my friend thinks that we really were in contact with

spirits. I know that we were really in contact with his subconscious

mind most of the time. And most of the past life stories about him

revealed quite a bit about his fears and desires as they related to

this current life.

 

oleander soup , " ohlisa1 " <lmcdewey wrote:

>

> Jim,

> To be honest I went into my first visit w/ this dr. kind of

blindly. I

> really didn't research him or his techniques. I had my eyes closed

for

> most of my visit while my doc was doing TBM. He didn't tell me

what I

> was holding when he was doing the testing for the supplements. I

> really didn't ask any questions either, which is unusual for me and

> trust me, I'll make up for it on my next visit. It just struck me

as

> interesting that what I'm taking correlates w/ the Dr.Kelly

lecture.

> But that may just be my body's physiology.

>

> Several years ago I took my oldest son to a holistic Dr. who had

> someone in his clinic who did Nambudripad's allergy elimiination

> technique, which is also muscle based responce. It worked for him,

but

> logistically and financially I couldn't keep taking him. Maybe

that's

> why I didn't question it.

>

> I appreciate your posts

> Lisa

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony,

 

 

Many chiros use kinesiology(muscle testing) to check various organ systems or if any supps would be beneficial.

 

I don't "get" what TBM is. Is it a form of chirpractic?

 

Nonie

 

 

 

I may have jumped in too quickly on this one. What appeared to work for me was the arm strength compatibility test.

I know nothing else about the protocol, but found that to be pretty amazing. It was my son who demonstrated it to me and I am pretty sure he was not trying to trick me.

Tony

[Guest guest]

Well all here is an other test you can do.

 

Have someone standing with there legs apart and their hands streched out.

Now you try to bend down their hands down, depends on their strength you will have a problem, or you wont bend them.

 

Now have the person to put one foot on a phone book and the other on the ground, and try to band their hands again , and see what happens.

 

Hugs Mary

 

-

Tony

oleander soup

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:23 AM

Re: TBM

 

 

 

I may have jumped in too quickly on this one. What appeared to work for me was the arm strength compatibility test.

I know nothing else about the protocol, but found that to be pretty amazing. It was my son who demonstrated it to me and I am pretty sure he was not trying to trick me.

oleander soup , "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:>> Tony, my main man... the only way to verify if this REALLY works is to > do a double-blind study. > > Here -- check out this double-blind study on applied kinesiology posted > on YouTube:> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDTuoXygZKk > > oleander soup , "Tony" @ wrote:> >> > > > TBM sounds for all the world like some kind of new age voodoo and I> > would find it very hard to believe if I had not seen it appear to work> > firsthand on me, a pack of cigarettes and a bottle of spring water.> > > > As it is, I still wonder - because it IS hard to believe , , ,> > > > Tony>

[Guest guest]

Yes, that type of "test" is part of mainstream kinesiology. You can demonstrate facilitation and inhibition of various muscles using different postures. This is not the same thing as APPLIED kineseiology which is using muscle testing to gather information (speculatively) about drugs and nutrients and other things in a way that is not currently supportable by neurological theory.Mike--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Maria Stathopoulos <mary1kon wrote:Maria Stathopoulos <mary1konRe: Re: TBMoleander soup Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:32 AM

 

 

Well all here is an other test you can do.

 

Have someone standing with there legs apart and their hands streched out.

Now you try to bend down their hands down, depends on their strength you will have a problem, or you wont bend them.

 

Now have the person to put one foot on a phone book and the other on the ground, and try to band their hands again , and see what happens.

 

Hugs Mary

 

-

Tony

oleander soup

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:23 AM

Re: TBM

 

 

 

I may have jumped in too quickly on this one. What appeared to work for me was the arm strength compatibility test.

I know nothing else about the protocol, but found that to be pretty amazing. It was my son who demonstrated it to me and I am pretty sure he was not trying to trick me.

oleander soup, "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10@ ...> wrote:>> Tony, my main man... the only way to verify if this REALLY works is to > do a double-blind study. > > Here -- check out this double-blind study on applied kinesiology posted > on YouTube:> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=lDTuoXygZKk > > oleander soup, "Tony" @ wrote:> >> > > > TBM sounds for all the world like some kind of new age voodoo and I> > would find it very hard to believe if I had not seen it appear to work> > firsthand on me, a pack of cigarettes and a bottle of spring water.> > > > As it is, I still wonder - because it IS hard to believe , , ,> > > > Tony>

[Guest guest]

Yes Mike i know kineseiology and what stands for.

 

But when my husband was sick a naturopath was testing medicine for my husband to take, it din't do us any good, anyway.

 

The test or trick i sent, was tried on a 6 foot man by a 5-2 feet women, the men coun't accept the fact that the girl could band his hands.

Is this mind power, or the stading position of the person? i dont know.

 

Hugs Mary

 

-

Mike Golden

oleander soup

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:58 AM

Re: Re: TBM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, that type of "test" is part of mainstream kinesiology. You can demonstrate facilitation and inhibition of various muscles using different postures. This is not the same thing as APPLIED kineseiology which is using muscle testing to gather information (speculatively) about drugs and nutrients and other things in a way that is not currently supportable by neurological theory.Mike--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Maria Stathopoulos <mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

Maria Stathopoulos <mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au>Re: Re: TBMoleander soup Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:32 AM

 

 

 

Well all here is an other test you can do.

 

Have someone standing with there legs apart and their hands streched out.

Now you try to bend down their hands down, depends on their strength you will have a problem, or you wont bend them.

 

Now have the person to put one foot on a phone book and the other on the ground, and try to band their hands again , and see what happens.

 

Hugs Mary

 

-

Tony

oleander soup

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:23 AM

Re: TBM

 

 

 

I may have jumped in too quickly on this one. What appeared to work for me was the arm strength compatibility test.

I know nothing else about the protocol, but found that to be pretty amazing. It was my son who demonstrated it to me and I am pretty sure he was not trying to trick me.

oleander soup, "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10@ ...> wrote:>> Tony, my main man... the only way to verify if this REALLY works is to > do a double-blind study. > > Here -- check out this double-blind study on applied kinesiology posted > on YouTube:> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=lDTuoXygZKk > > oleander soup, "Tony" @ wrote:> >> > > > TBM sounds for all the world like some kind of new age voodoo and I> > would find it very hard to believe if I had not seen it appear to work> > firsthand on me, a pack of cigarettes and a bottle of spring water.> > > > As it is, I still wonder - because it IS hard to believe , , ,> > > > Tony>

[Guest guest]

As I mentioned, that "phone book under the heel" test demonstrates real neurology. Specifically it demonstrates inhibition of muscle fibers through reflex activation. It is a true phenomenon and not a result of psychological mechanisms.All muscles and muscle groups have peak strength at certain set lengths. Causing groups to be stretched past that point and other groups to be overly shortened can make a strong man seem weak. This is most dramatic with postural muscles, basically the ones we use to stand in a gravitational field.What your Naturopath did is Applied Kinesiology. There is not much scientific evidence to support much of that endeavor.The science called Kinesiology is different. It is taught in colleges (I teach it.) and is the study of anatomically based movement.MikeMike--- On

Tue, 2/17/09, Maria Stathopoulos <mary1kon wrote:Maria Stathopoulos <mary1konRe: Re: TBMoleander soup Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 3:09 AM

 

 

Yes Mike i know kineseiology and what stands for.

 

But when my husband was sick a naturopath was testing medicine for my husband to take, it din't do us any good, anyway.

 

The test or trick i sent, was tried on a 6 foot man by a 5-2 feet women, the men coun't accept the fact that the girl could band his hands.

Is this mind power, or the stading position of the person? i dont know.

 

Hugs Mary

 

-

Mike Golden

oleander soup

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:58 AM

Re: Re: TBM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, that type of "test" is part of mainstream kinesiology. You can demonstrate facilitation and inhibition of various muscles using different postures. This is not the same thing as APPLIED kineseiology which is using muscle testing to gather information (speculatively) about drugs and nutrients and other things in a way that is not currently supportable by neurological theory.Mike--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Maria Stathopoulos <mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

Maria Stathopoulos <mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au>Re: Re: TBMoleander soupTuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:32 AM

 

 

 

Well all here is an other test you can do.

 

Have someone standing with there legs apart and their hands streched out.

Now you try to bend down their hands down, depends on their strength you will have a problem, or you wont bend them.

 

Now have the person to put one foot on a phone book and the other on the ground, and try to band their hands again , and see what happens.

 

Hugs Mary

 

-

Tony

oleander soup

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:23 AM

Re: TBM

 

 

 

I may have jumped in too quickly on this one. What appeared to work for me was the arm strength compatibility test.

I know nothing else about the protocol, but found that to be pretty amazing. It was my son who demonstrated it to me and I am pretty sure he was not trying to trick me.

oleander soup, "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10@ ...> wrote:>> Tony, my main man... the only way to verify if this REALLY works is to > do a double-blind study. > > Here -- check out this double-blind study on applied kinesiology posted > on YouTube:> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=lDTuoXygZKk > > oleander soup, "Tony" @ wrote:> >> > > > TBM sounds for all the world like some kind of new age voodoo and I> > would find it very hard to believe if I had not seen it appear to work> > firsthand on me, a pack of cigarettes and a bottle of spring water.> > > > As it is, I still wonder - because it IS hard to believe , , ,> > > > Tony>

[Guest guest]

Gotch you Mike.

 

Mary

 

-

Mike Golden

oleander soup

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:47 PM

Re: Re: TBM

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I mentioned, that "phone book under the heel" test demonstrates real neurology. Specifically it demonstrates inhibition of muscle fibers through reflex activation. It is a true phenomenon and not a result of psychological mechanisms.All muscles and muscle groups have peak strength at certain set lengths. Causing groups to be stretched past that point and other groups to be overly shortened can make a strong man seem weak. This is most dramatic with postural muscles, basically the ones we use to stand in a gravitational field.What your Naturopath did is Applied Kinesiology. There is not much scientific evidence to support much of that endeavor.The science called Kinesiology is different. It is taught in colleges (I teach it.) and is the study of anatomically based movement.MikeMike--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Maria Stathopoulos <mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

Maria Stathopoulos <mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au>Re: Re: TBMoleander soup Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 3:09 AM

 

 

 

Yes Mike i know kineseiology and what stands for.

 

But when my husband was sick a naturopath was testing medicine for my husband to take, it din't do us any good, anyway.

 

The test or trick i sent, was tried on a 6 foot man by a 5-2 feet women, the men coun't accept the fact that the girl could band his hands.

Is this mind power, or the stading position of the person? i dont know.

 

Hugs Mary

 

-

Mike Golden

oleander soup

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:58 AM

Re: Re: TBM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, that type of "test" is part of mainstream kinesiology. You can demonstrate facilitation and inhibition of various muscles using different postures. This is not the same thing as APPLIED kineseiology which is using muscle testing to gather information (speculatively) about drugs and nutrients and other things in a way that is not currently supportable by neurological theory.Mike--- On Tue, 2/17/09, Maria Stathopoulos <mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

Maria Stathopoulos <mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au>Re: Re: TBMoleander soupTuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:32 AM

 

 

 

Well all here is an other test you can do.

 

Have someone standing with there legs apart and their hands streched out.

Now you try to bend down their hands down, depends on their strength you will have a problem, or you wont bend them.

 

Now have the person to put one foot on a phone book and the other on the ground, and try to band their hands again , and see what happens.

 

Hugs Mary

 

-

Tony

oleander soup

Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:23 AM

Re: TBM

 

 

 

I may have jumped in too quickly on this one. What appeared to work for me was the arm strength compatibility test.

I know nothing else about the protocol, but found that to be pretty amazing. It was my son who demonstrated it to me and I am pretty sure he was not trying to trick me.

oleander soup, "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10@ ...> wrote:>> Tony, my main man... the only way to verify if this REALLY works is to > do a double-blind study. > > Here -- check out this double-blind study on applied kinesiology posted > on YouTube:> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=lDTuoXygZKk > > oleander soup, "Tony" @ wrote:> >> > > > TBM sounds for all the world like some kind of new age voodoo and I> > would find it very hard to believe if I had not seen it appear to work> > firsthand on me, a pack of cigarettes and a bottle of spring water.> > > > As it is, I still wonder - because it IS hard to believe , , ,> > > > Tony>

[Guest guest]

Ouija board contacts are bad spirits. We played this when we were in high school and we were in a cafenear our school. The lights went out for no reason and the table shook violently. We fled out of sheer fright and the owner of the cafe banned our group from going back there. We had to promise her we wouldn't do it again and she gave us one final last chance.

 

Melly

[Guest guest]

I ain't afraid of no ghost...

 

Don't cross the beams!

 

oleander soup , Melly Bag <tita_mel wrote:

>

> Ouija board contacts are bad spirits.  We played this when we were in

high school and we were in a cafenear our school.  The lights went out

for no reason and the table shook violently. We fled  out of sheer

fright and the owner of the cafe banned our group from going back

there.  We had to promise her we wouldn't do it again and she gave us

one final last chance.

>  

> Melly

>

[Guest guest]

It's the live ones that cause all the trouble!--- On Tue, 2/17/09, jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10 Re: TBMoleander soup Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 2:32 PM

 

I ain't afraid of no ghost...

 

Don't cross the beams!

 

oleander soup, Melly Bag <tita_mel@.. .> wrote:

>

> Ouija board contacts are bad spirits. We played this when we were in

high school and we were in a cafenear our school. The lights went out

for no reason and the table shook violently. We fled out of sheer

fright and the owner of the cafe banned our group from going back

there. We had to promise her we wouldn't do it again and she gave us

one final last chance..

>

> Melly

>