to disagree, I did very poorly with oleander

February 6, 2009

, you said that you know of no-one who didn't thrive on oleander. I definitely did NOT do well.I took it religiously for nearly 8 months, despite constant severe diarrhea, using both it OPC or homemade soup. My liver functions fine according to blood tests. I also eat the diet, do Budwig at the same time, do almost all the supplements Tony recommends, regular detoxing, emotional work, and so on. My tumors have continued to grow, and my blood markers for cancer have also risen.

I've stopped oleander, and for now, I can go out of my home and enjoy this spring without constant diarrhea. Lueilla you wrote; What about failures? I do not know of a single failure in this group who

came here with at least two or more months of estimated time remaining

and did not have an immune system and major organs - especially the

liver - damaged beyond repair. I know of only three

people who are not still alive even including those with less than two

months and those who had been damaged severely by chemo and/or radiation

- and one of those did the protocol for less than two months (actually

just mainly took oleander and tried to eat healthily) and then stopped

because his oncologist said there was no way we could help and he could

February 6, 2009

Rhoda -

Yes, you have had a tough time of it, almost uniquely so among our many,

many members. Two observations however:

One, isn't your breast cancer now gone? And two, did you not have

multiple rounds of chemo prior to starting oleander? Regardless of

liver function, chemo takes a toll every time you take it and the toll

adds up the same as with any poison - which is what chemo is, a poison.

If not chemo, I have no idea what the cause of your diarrhea is when you

take oleander, though it might be possible that you are one of the very

rare people who are allergic to oleander. Most people have little to no

diarrhea to begin with and those who do have any almost always become

accustomed to the oleander, usually in short order but sometimes a bit

longer.

One thing is for sure, it is hard to get any benefit from oleander or

anything when it is passed out via diarrhea before it can be properly

assimilated.

Ovarian cancer can be difficult and that is why I suggested an

additional list of things that might be more effective for ovarian

cancer. Are you doing them now?

I am not ready to count you as a failure because you are still alive,

you breast cancer is evidently gone, and it is a good sign that your

liver is apparently functioning OK too. Have your liver markers always

been good or is that an improvement too? The great cancer pioneer Max

Gerson stated that he never observed one single case of cancer except in

the presence of an impaired liver.

Perhaps you should email me a list of what all you are doing and I will

see if anything is missing that might be vital and also if there may be

anything you are doing that might conflict with other things. Though

oleander is a centerpiece, the protocol is designed such that it will

still beat cancer without oleander if need be, because there are a

number of powerful cancer fighters there (blood tonic, cell forte,

iodine, colloidal silver, laetrile, curcumin, to name just a few).

Hugs,

oleander soup , Rhoda Mead <hummingbird541

wrote:

>

> *, you said that you know of no-one who didn't thrive on

oleander. I

> definitely did NOT do well.

>

February 6, 2009

First...in support of Rhoda, I'll say that my wife always had the exact problem with the oleander that she has. My wife could never get to the dose appropriate for her stage 4 cancer and stay there long enough to benefit. On the other hand, as a result of the oleander, I noticed that her hair quality improved dramatically. In the last month I decided, out of desperation, to try very small doses of oleander along with very small doses of other herbs that she also had trouble with, that might help with the cancer. These were given along with a blender drink of amino acids and "second string" herbals such as lemon grass powder, all with some noted efficacy in cancer. I gave here this concoction for several weeks. She tolerated it fairly

well. We had tumor markers done a few days ago. I'm happy to report that one of her tumor makers has stabilized and the other has dropped 40 points.

Everyone has their own "biochemical individuality". "One man's meat is another man's poison."

My idea was inspired by the AIDS cocktail approach, wherein smaller doses of a variety of drugs are given.

Mike

Rhoda Mead <hummingbird541luellamay129Cc: oleander soup Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 11:37:11 PM to disagree, I did very poorly with oleander

, you said that you know of no-one who didn't thrive on oleander. I definitely did NOT do well.I took it religiously for nearly 8 months, despite constant severe diarrhea, using both it OPC or homemade soup. My liver functions fine according to blood tests. I also eat the diet, do Budwig at the same time, do almost all the supplements Tony recommends, regular detoxing, emotional work, and so on. My tumors have continued to grow, and my blood markers for cancer have also risen. I've stopped oleander, and for now, I can go out of my home and enjoy this spring without constant diarrhea. Lueilla you wrote; What about failures? I do not know of a single failure in this group whocame here with at least two or more months of estimated time remainingand did not have an immune system and major organs - especially theliver - damaged beyond repair. I know of only threepeople who are not still alive

even including those with less than two months and those who had been damaged severely by chemo and/or radiation- and one of those did the protocol for less than two months (actuallyjust mainly took oleander and tried to eat healthily) and then stoppedbecause his oncologist said there was no way we could help and he could

February 6, 2009

Like I have said before....I had the same problem as Rhoda after about five weeks into the S/OPC. It was horrible, debilitating diarrhea. I contacted Marc throughout and he and I has suspected said it was a fungal issue I had. I went on Dyflucan after trying everything natural for 2 years. Believe me I'm not an advocate for prescription drugs at all but it really helped me and I'm now on a dose of four caps a day of the S/OPC with no issues. It sounds to me that Rhoda may have a serious fungal/candida problem as I did.

Tammatha

-

Tony

oleander soup

Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:17 PM

Re: to disagree, I did very poorly with oleander

Rhoda -Yes, you have had a tough time of it, almost uniquely so among our many,many members. Two observations however:One, isn't your breast cancer now gone? And two, did you not havemultiple rounds of chemo prior to starting oleander? Regardless ofliver function, chemo takes a toll every time you take it and the tolladds up the same as with any poison - which is what chemo is, a poison.If not chemo, I have no idea what the cause of your diarrhea is when youtake oleander, though it might be possible that you are one of the veryrare people who are allergic to oleander. Most people have little to nodiarrhea to begin with and those who do have any almost always becomeaccustomed to the oleander, usually in short order but sometimes a bitlonger.One thing is for sure, it is hard to get any benefit from oleander oranything when it is passed out via diarrhea before it can be properlyassimilated.Ovarian cancer can be difficult and that is why I suggested anadditional list of things that might be more effective for ovariancancer. Are you doing them now?I am not ready to count you as a failure because you are still alive,you breast cancer is evidently gone, and it is a good sign that yourliver is apparently functioning OK too. Have your liver markers alwaysbeen good or is that an improvement too? The great cancer pioneer MaxGerson stated that he never observed one single case of cancer except inthe presence of an impaired liver.Perhaps you should email me a list of what all you are doing and I willsee if anything is missing that might be vital and also if there may beanything you are doing that might conflict with other things. Thougholeander is a centerpiece, the protocol is designed such that it willstill beat cancer without oleander if need be, because there are anumber of powerful cancer fighters there (blood tonic, cell forte,iodine, colloidal silver, laetrile, curcumin, to name just a few).Hugs,Tonyoleander soup , Rhoda Mead <hummingbird541wrote:>> *, you said that you know of no-one who didn't thrive onoleander. I> definitely did NOT do well.>