Budwig, oleander and curcumin

February 2, 2009

I agree with you that people may not really know all the ways that Budwig works. Certainly it was designed to increase oxygen at the cellular level, especially to cancer cells. But the makers of Anvirzel have stated that they have found no incompatiblity with Budwig, nor with just about any other things other than protocell. I also think that there is some misunderstanding about oxygenation and oxidizing and the differences between anti-oxidants scavaging free radicals as opposed to them blocking all cellular oxygenation. If such were the case, I would think that people who took lots of antioxidants would have some health issues due to depriving cellular oxygen.

Once again, I will defer to Doctor Mike Golden who said that you mainly have to avoid the two oil soluable antioxidants alpha-lipoic acid and vitamin E. Both oleander and curcumin have some antioxidant activity but neither are considered strong antioxidants.

BTW, you would probably be best served by getting your curcumin from LEF or else use the product at turmeric-curcumin.com as they both appear to have far better bioavailability as other sources enhance with pepper. Dissolving the curcumin in coconut milk along with the biperine (black pepper) may help, but those two products are still vastly superior.

I am glad to hear that some of the Budwig folks are also using oleander. We certainly have a number of members here who also do Budwig - and as far as I can tell, most are doing well.

oleander soup , "culver_z" <culver_z wrote:>> oleander soup , "Tony" @ wrote:> >> > > > A member emailed me privately that they believed that a major > reason the> > Budwig folks do not recommend oleander is that Budwig helps restore> > proper respiration (oxygen) to cancer cells to return them to normal> > whereas it is believed that oleander attacks and kills cancer cells.> > > Tony> >> I am a memeber of the flaxseedoil2, which is moderated > by Sandra Olson, and is for following the Budwig Protocol. Sandra > recently advised a member to stop taking the sutherlandia OPC, > because he had been slipping in health and she felt it could be > because the OPC was interfering with the Budiwg Protocol. The reason > she gave was that Johanna Budwig said not to take large amounts of > antioxidants, as they interfere with the absorption or action in the > body of the flaxseedoil/quark mix. Sandra Olson said that > sutherlandia OPC is an antioxidant and therefore falls into the > category of what Budwig spoke against mixing with the flax/quark > diet. To tell the truth, many of us are confused as to what > interferes with Budwig and what enhances it. I also believe that > there is no one available who truly understands the science, or who > is carrying on the work of J Budwig, to inform us as to what to take > and not take. I do tend to believe in what you say, Tony, that > oleander, or sutherlandia OPC enhances any protocol, as it is a > natural plant which seems to simply boost the body's own > defense/immmune system. However, as a lay person I do feel unsure as > to what happens in the body when ingesting the flax/quark mix, and > whether many supplements-even Oleander--should be taken some time > apart from the Budwig mix. For example also, I take tumeric, cayenne > pepper and ground black pepper mixed in with my servings of flax and > cottage cheese; and I don't know if I am interfering with the work > of the flax/cottage cheese mix. Again, a moderator at the Budwig > told me I should not take much tumeric as its an > antioxidant.> Just to add also, many members of the of Budwig protocol > followers are indeed taking the Sutherlandia OPC.> Wayne>

February 5, 2009

Any one that takes cemo or radiation, has not done there home work, they both kill, there are too many alternatives to cure cancer with no side affects.

In a message dated 2/5/2009 3:36:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dolt33 writes:

Hi Tony, my name is diana and iam a r of yr letter, i am also from europe and familiar w the Budwing protoclo and we know about orleander too, in addition to this just hapens that iam an RN here in seattle w oncology experience so i to some of the medical magazines. just recently i read an article in one of those magazines that talked about vit c as an antioxidant and how is not advisable to take masive doses while on chemo for the fact , that they way chemo kills malignant cells is by toxicity, suppliments w antioxidants actually prevent cell death by the mechanism that we all undersand, cell protection oxigenation etc. i hope this explains at least partially about the confussion of cell death and antioxidants. diana

oleander soup From: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 04:36:09 +0000 Budwig, oleander and curcumin

I agree with you that people may not really know all the ways that Budwig works. Certainly it was designed to increase oxygen at the cellular level, especially to cancer cells. But the makers of Anvirzel have stated that they have found no incompatiblity with Budwig, nor with just about any other things other than protocell. I also think that there is some misunderstanding about oxygenation and oxidizing and the differences between anti-oxidants scavaging free radicals as opposed to them blocking all cellular oxygenation. If such were the case, I would think that people who took lots of antioxidants would have some health issues due to depriving cellular oxygen.Once again, I will defer to Doctor Mike Golden who said that you mainly have to avoid the two oil soluable antioxidants alpha-lipoic acid and vitamin E. Both oleander and curcumin have some antioxidant activity but neither are considered strong antioxidants.BTW, you would probably be best served by getting your curcumin from LEF or else use the product at turmeric-curcumin.com as they both appear to have far better bioavailability as other sources enhance with pepper. Dissolving the curcumin in coconut milk along with the biperine (black pepper) may help, but those two products are still vastly superior.I am glad to hear that some of the Budwig folks are also using oleander. We certainly have a number of members here who also do Budwig - and as far as I can tell, most are doing well.Tonyoleander soup , "culver_z" <culver_z wrote:>> oleander soup , "Tony" @ wrote:> >> > > > A member emailed me privately that they believed that a major > reason the> > Budwig folks do not recommend oleander is that Budwig helps restore> > proper respiration (oxygen) to cancer cells to return them to normal> > whereas it is believed that oleander attacks and kills cancer cells.> > > Tony> >> I am a memeber of the flaxseedoil2, which is moderated > by Sandra Olson, and is for following the Budwig Protocol. Sandra > recently advised a member to stop taking the sutherlandia OPC, > because he had been slipping in health and she felt it could be > because the OPC was interfering with the Budiwg Protocol. The reason > she gave was that Johanna Budwig said not to take large amounts of > antioxidants, as they interfere with the absorption or action in the > body of the flaxseedoil/quark mix. Sandra Olson said that > sutherlandia OPC is an antioxidant and therefore falls into the > category of what Budwig spoke against mixing with the flax/quark > diet. To tell the truth, many of us are confused as to what > interferes with Budwig and what enhances it. I also believe that > there is no one available who truly understands the science, or who > is carrying on the work of J Budwig, to inform us as to what to take > and not take. I do tend to believe in what you say, Tony, that > oleander, or sutherlandia OPC enhances any protocol, as it is a > natural plant which seems to simply boost the body's own > defense/immmune system. However, as a lay person I do feel unsure as > to what happens in the body when ingesting the flax/quark mix, and > whether many supplements-even Oleander--should be taken some time > apart from the Budwig mix. For example also, I take tumeric, cayenne > pepper and ground black pepper mixed in with my servings of flax and > cottage cheese; and I don't know if I am interfering with the work > of the flax/cottage cheese mix. Again, a moderator at the Budwig > told me I should not take much tumeric as its an > antioxidant.> Just to add also, many members of the of Budwig protocol > followers are indeed taking the Sutherlandia OPC.> Wayne>

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February 5, 2009

Hi Tony,

my name is diana and iam a r of yr letter, i am also from europe and familiar w the Budwing protoclo and we know about orleander too, in addition to this just hapens that iam an RN here in seattle w oncology experience so i to some of the medical magazines.

just recently i read an article in one of those magazines that talked about vit c as an antioxidant and how is not advisable to take masive doses while on chemo for the fact , that they way chemo kills malignant cells is by toxicity, suppliments w antioxidants actually prevent cell death by the mechanism that we all undersand, cell protection oxigenation etc.

i hope this explains at least partially about the confussion of cell death and antioxidants.

diana

oleander soup From: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 04:36:09 +0000 Budwig, oleander and curcumin

I agree with you that people may not really know all the ways that Budwig works. Certainly it was designed to increase oxygen at the cellular level, especially to cancer cells. But the makers of Anvirzel have stated that they have found no incompatiblity with Budwig, nor with just about any other things other than protocell. I also think that there is some misunderstanding about oxygenation and oxidizing and the differences between anti-oxidants scavaging free radicals as opposed to them blocking all cellular oxygenation. If such were the case, I would think that people who took lots of antioxidants would have some health issues due to depriving cellular oxygen.

Once again, I will defer to Doctor Mike Golden who said that you mainly have to avoid the two oil soluable antioxidants alpha-lipoic acid and vitamin E. Both oleander and curcumin have some antioxidant activity but neither are considered strong antioxidants.

BTW, you would probably be best served by getting your curcumin from LEF or else use the product at turmeric-curcumin.com as they both appear to have far better bioavailability as other sources enhance with pepper. Dissolving the curcumin in coconut milk along with the biperine (black pepper) may help, but those two products are still vastly superior.

I am glad to hear that some of the Budwig folks are also using oleander. We certainly have a number of members here who also do Budwig - and as far as I can tell, most are doing well.

oleander soup , "culver_z" <culver_z wrote:>> oleander soup , "Tony" @ wrote:> >> > > > A member emailed me privately that they believed that a major > reason the> > Budwig folks do not recommend oleander is that Budwig helps restore> > proper respiration (oxygen) to cancer cells to return them to normal> > whereas it is believed that oleander attacks and kills cancer cells.> > > Tony> >> I am a memeber of the flaxseedoil2, which is moderated > by Sandra Olson, and is for following the Budwig Protocol. Sandra > recently advised a member to stop taking the sutherlandia OPC, > because he had been slipping in health and she felt it could be > because the OPC was interfering with the Budiwg Protocol. The reason > she gave was that Johanna Budwig said not to take large amounts of > antioxidants, as they interfere with the absorption or action in the > body of the flaxseedoil/quark mix. Sandra Olson said that > sutherlandia OPC is an antioxidant and therefore falls into the > category of what Budwig spoke against mixing with the flax/quark > diet. To tell the truth, many of us are confused as to what > interferes with Budwig and what enhances it. I also believe that > there is no one available who truly understands the science, or who > is carrying on the work of J Budwig, to inform us as to what to take > and not take. I do tend to believe in what you say, Tony, that > oleander, or sutherlandia OPC enhances any protocol, as it is a > natural plant which seems to simply boost the body's own > defense/immmune system. However, as a lay person I do feel unsure as > to what happens in the body when ingesting the flax/quark mix, and > whether many supplements-even Oleander--should be taken some time > apart from the Budwig mix. For example also, I take tumeric, cayenne > pepper and ground black pepper mixed in with my servings of flax and > cottage cheese; and I don't know if I am interfering with the work > of the flax/cottage cheese mix. Again, a moderator at the Budwig > told me I should not take much tumeric as its an > antioxidant.> Just to add also, many members of the of Budwig protocol > followers are indeed taking the Sutherlandia OPC.> Wayne>

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