Only 16 success stories out of over 6500 members for Budwig?

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Only 16 successes? And how many members do they have? About 6600 (if it is the flaxseedoil2 group) compared to our 1100, and over half of ours have joined in the last 6 months or so. What exactly do they consider a success story? Cancer completely gone, cancer growth halted, cancer shrinking, what? I am sure you can go back over our posts of this past year and find at least 16 successful stories of people who have won or appear to be winning their battle.

What about failures? I do not know of a single failure in this group who came here with at least two or more months of estimated time remaining and did not have an immune system and major organs - especially the liver - damaged beyond repair. I know of only three people who are not still alive even including those with less than two months and those who had been damaged severely by chemo and/or radiation - and one of those did the protocol for less than two months (actually just mainly took oleander and tried to eat healthily) and then stopped because his oncologist said there was no way we could help and he could do a nerve block so the guy could live out his last couple of months with less pain. He proceeded to live over a year past the doctor's prognosis and his daughter is convinced it was due to the small period of time he took oleander.

Now I realize that there may be some who try the protocol, at least partially, and do not make it or have success, just as I realize that the large majority of our members do not choose to be active in the discussions - but one has to wonder why they don't post about their problems and why there are very few bouncing emails from all the members in the group (which indicates that their email account is no longer active).

I wonder how many oleander protocol people have gone to Budwig versus how many Budwig protocol people have come here? That would probably be very close to zero.

If I had only 16 successes I would not be crowing about it - I would be desperately looking for other things to help my group members have better success! Which is exactly what I do when we have someone who is struggling in their battle.

My own definition of success, btw, is to be completely cancer free in terms of cancer markers and malignancies and to remain that way for a long and healthy life.

Budwig is great, just like I said. It is a good bullet but not a magic one. Why go into a fight with only one bullet in your gun? Or, from a standpoint of a forum host and moderator, why not give all of my members all the best bullets I can to help them win?

oleander soup , "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:>> I've had the same problems. I just don't post there anymore, although > I do occasionally go over and read some posts.> > They act scared. Like the slightest deviation from their protocol will > bring sickness raining down on them. I feel sorry for them. Of > course, they may feel sorry for me! Who knows. > > To play devil's advocate, the one thing that does intrigue me is the > high number of success stories they post. The mod over there claims > they has 16 successes in 2008 alone reported to the group. She was > duking it out with me and some others on another board, and she pulled > that number out, and said that no other board could claim 16 successes > in the last year. I couldn't argue with that! So there's a part of me > that still is intrigued by "Budwig pure". But they do act like > religious zealots, that's for sure!>

[Guest guest]

I hope this doesn't break a forum rule about making short and trivial

posts, but I have to say that yours is an absolutely great response.

Thanks Tony! You give me (and I'm sure a lot of other people) a LOT

of hope!

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

>

> Only 16 successes? And how many members do they have? About 6600

(if

> it is the flaxseedoil2 group) compared to our 1100, and over half of

> ours have joined in the last 6 months or so. What exactly do they

> consider a success story? Cancer completely gone, cancer growth

halted,

> cancer shrinking, what? I am sure you can go back over our posts of

> this past year and find at least 16 successful stories of people who

> have won or appear to be winning their battle.

>

> What about failures? I do not know of a single failure in this

group

> who came here with at least two or more months of estimated time

> remaining and did not have an immune system and major organs -

> especially the liver - damaged beyond repair. I know of only three

> people who are not still alive even including those with less than

two

> months and those who had been damaged severely by chemo and/or

radiation

> - and one of those did the protocol for less than two months

(actually

> just mainly took oleander and tried to eat healthily) and then

stopped

> because his oncologist said there was no way we could help and he

could

> do a nerve block so the guy could live out his last couple of months

> with less pain. He proceeded to live over a year past the doctor's

> prognosis and his daughter is convinced it was due to the small

period

> of time he took oleander.

>

> Now I realize that there may be some who try the protocol, at least

> partially, and do not make it or have success, just as I realize

that

> the large majority of our members do not choose to be active in the

> discussions - but one has to wonder why they don't post about their

> problems and why there are very few bouncing emails from all the

members

> in the group (which indicates that their email account is no longer

> active).

>

> I wonder how many oleander protocol people have gone to Budwig

versus

> how many Budwig protocol people have come here? That would probably

be

> very close to zero.

>

> If I had only 16 successes I would not be crowing about it - I

would be

> desperately looking for other things to help my group members have

> better success! Which is exactly what I do when we have someone

who is

> struggling in their battle.

>

> My own definition of success, btw, is to be completely cancer free

in

> terms of cancer markers and malignancies and to remain that way for

a

> long and healthy life.

>

> Budwig is great, just like I said. It is a good bullet but not a

magic

> one. Why go into a fight with only one bullet in your gun? Or,

from a

> standpoint of a forum host and moderator, why not give all of my

members

> all the best bullets I can to help them win?

>

> >

>

> oleander soup , " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10@>

wrote:

> >

> > I've had the same problems. I just don't post there anymore,

although

> > I do occasionally go over and read some posts.

> >

> > They act scared. Like the slightest deviation from their protocol

will

> > bring sickness raining down on them. I feel sorry for them. Of

> > course, they may feel sorry for me! Who knows.

> >

> > To play devil's advocate, the one thing that does intrigue me is

the

> > high number of success stories they post. The mod over there

claims

> > they has 16 successes in 2008 alone reported to the group. She was

> > duking it out with me and some others on another board, and she

pulled

> > that number out, and said that no other board could claim 16

successes

> > in the last year. I couldn't argue with that! So there's a part

of me

> > that still is intrigued by " Budwig pure " . But they do act like

> > religious zealots, that's for sure!

> >

>