Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I just had a friend diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. I also just got the group email about black cumin seed, which said that black cumin seed and oleander are the only two herbs shown to be effective against pancreatic cancer. I'd love more information on this. At this time I am recommending that my friend: 1. Go on a typical anti-cancer diet 2. Do flaxseed oil / cottage cheese 3. Take Low dose naltrexone 4. Take alpha lipoic acid I am wondering if I should add oleander and black cumin seed to this mix. Seems like a good idea! I list 3 and 4 because there are several case studies coming out about LDN and ALA significantly helping panceatic cancer patients. (See www.lowdosenaltrexone.org and their video of the Oct 11, 2008 conference.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Definitely incorporate Oleander. It is a very strong cancer fighting agent. With regard to black cumin seed, make sure he gets Nigella Sativa, as there are many varieties. I would also give your friend Tony's Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol and have him follow as much of it as possible. /anticancer.htm It is an all around, all inclusive way of building up the immune system so that cancer is no longer welcome. -- In oleander soup , "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:>> I just had a friend diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. I also just > got the group email about black cumin seed, which said that black > cumin seed and oleander are the only two herbs shown to be effective > against pancreatic cancer.> > I'd love more information on this. > > At this time I am recommending that my friend:> > 1. Go on a typical anti-cancer diet> 2. Do flaxseed oil / cottage cheese> 3. Take Low dose naltrexone> 4. Take alpha lipoic acid> > I am wondering if I should add oleander and black cumin seed to this > mix. Seems like a good idea! > > I list 3 and 4 because there are several case studies coming out > about LDN and ALA significantly helping panceatic cancer patients. > (See www.lowdosenaltrexone.org and their video of the Oct 11, 2008 > conference.)> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I noticed in Tony's notes that alpha lipoic acid is NOT recommended with flaxseed oil / cottage cheese. There is a conflict here, because Alpha Lipoic Acid seems to work wonderfully well with LDN. Now, I'm wondering if the FO / CC is eaten about 11:00 AM and the Alpha lipoic Acid is taken 12 hours later with the LDN if this will be okay. oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote: > > Definitely incorporate Oleander. It is a very strong cancer fighting > agent. With regard to black cumin seed, make sure he gets Nigella > Sativa, as there are many varieties. > > I would also give your friend Tony's Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol and > have him follow as much of it as possible. > > /anticancer.htm > </anticancer.htm> > > It is an all around, all inclusive way of building up the immune system > so that cancer is no longer welcome. > > > > -- In oleander soup , " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10@> wrote: > > > > I just had a friend diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. I also just > > got the group email about black cumin seed, which said that black > > cumin seed and oleander are the only two herbs shown to be effective > > against pancreatic cancer. > > > > I'd love more information on this. > > > > At this time I am recommending that my friend: > > > > 1. Go on a typical anti-cancer diet > > 2. Do flaxseed oil / cottage cheese > > 3. Take Low dose naltrexone > > 4. Take alpha lipoic acid > > > > I am wondering if I should add oleander and black cumin seed to this > > mix. Seems like a good idea! > > > > I list 3 and 4 because there are several case studies coming out > > about LDN and ALA significantly helping panceatic cancer patients. > > (See www.lowdosenaltrexone.org and their video of the Oct 11, 2008 > > conference.) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 That I cannot answer. Tony will be along to reply the why's and how's. One thing I do know, I would take Tony's protocol above all else. From where I sit, it has a proven track record.oleander soup , "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:>> I noticed in Tony's notes that alpha lipoic acid is NOT recommended > with flaxseed oil / cottage cheese. > > There is a conflict here, because Alpha Lipoic Acid seems to work > wonderfully well with LDN.> > Now, I'm wondering if the FO / CC is eaten about 11:00 AM and the > Alpha lipoic Acid is taken 12 hours later with the LDN if this will > be okay.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Jim, It isn't about the oil in the gut. It's about the oil in the cell membranes. There is no way you can dose the two and seperate them in a way that will get around this. Mike jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10oleander soup Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:04:10 PM Re: Oleander and pancreatic cancer I noticed in Tony's notes that alpha lipoic acid is NOT recommended with flaxseed oil / cottage cheese. There is a conflict here, because Alpha Lipoic Acid seems to work wonderfully well with LDN.Now, I'm wondering if the FO / CC is eaten about 11:00 AM and the Alpha lipoic Acid is taken 12 hours later with the LDN if this will be okay.oleander soup, " May" <luellamay129@ ...> wrote:>> Definitely incorporate Oleander. It is a very strong cancer fighting> agent. With regard to black cumin seed, make sure he gets Nigella> Sativa, as there are many varieties.> > I would also give your friend Tony's Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol and> have him follow as much of it as possible.> > http://www.tbyil. com/anticancer. htm> <http://www.tbyil. com/anticancer. htm>> > It is an all around, all inclusive way of building up the immune system> so that cancer is no longer welcome.> > > > -- In oleander soup, "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10@ > wrote:> >> > I just had a friend diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. I also just> > got the group email about black cumin seed, which said that black> > cumin seed and oleander are the only two herbs shown to be effective> > against pancreatic cancer.> >> > I'd love more information on this.> >> > At this time I am recommending that my friend:> >> > 1. Go on a typical anti-cancer diet> > 2. Do flaxseed oil / cottage cheese> > 3. Take Low dose naltrexone> > 4. Take alpha lipoic acid> >> > I am wondering if I should add oleander and black cumin seed to this> > mix. Seems like a good idea!> >> > I list 3 and 4 because there are several case studies coming out> > about LDN and ALA significantly helping panceatic cancer patients.> > (See www.lowdosenaltrexo ne.org and their video of the Oct 11, 2008> > conference.)> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I am deferring to Dr. Mike on this one. What he says sounds right to me, and it was his information that led me to include the note about extra alpha lipoic acid and vitamin E supplementation not being recommended when one is using the flaxseed oil/cottage cheese part of the Budwig diet. oleander soup , " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10 wrote: > > I noticed in Tony's notes that alpha lipoic acid is NOT recommended > with flaxseed oil / cottage cheese. > > There is a conflict here, because Alpha Lipoic Acid seems to work > wonderfully well with LDN. > > Now, I'm wondering if the FO / CC is eaten about 11:00 AM and the > Alpha lipoic Acid is taken 12 hours later with the LDN if this will > be okay. > > oleander soup , " May " luellamay129@ > wrote: > > > > Definitely incorporate Oleander. It is a very strong cancer > fighting > > agent. With regard to black cumin seed, make sure he gets Nigella > > Sativa, as there are many varieties. > > > > I would also give your friend Tony's Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol > and > > have him follow as much of it as possible. > > > > /anticancer.htm > > </anticancer.htm> > > > > It is an all around, all inclusive way of building up the immune > system > > so that cancer is no longer welcome. > > > > > > > > -- In oleander soup , " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10@> wrote: > > > > > > I just had a friend diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. I also just > > > got the group email about black cumin seed, which said that black > > > cumin seed and oleander are the only two herbs shown to be > effective > > > against pancreatic cancer. > > > > > > I'd love more information on this. > > > > > > At this time I am recommending that my friend: > > > > > > 1. Go on a typical anti-cancer diet > > > 2. Do flaxseed oil / cottage cheese > > > 3. Take Low dose naltrexone > > > 4. Take alpha lipoic acid > > > > > > I am wondering if I should add oleander and black cumin seed to > this > > > mix. Seems like a good idea! > > > > > > I list 3 and 4 because there are several case studies coming out > > > about LDN and ALA significantly helping panceatic cancer patients. > > > (See www.lowdosenaltrexone.org and their video of the Oct 11, 2008 > > > conference.) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 So how do they interfere with one another? I can handle scientific explanations. This bums me out. Now I'm not sure which to cut out -- the FO/CC or the ALA. Which would you recommend? Tony, not to be argumentative, but in your white paper you strongly recommend the ALA for liver health, then later say don't take it if you are doing the FO/CC. I guess both are true. So, again ... which gets cut out? The ALA or the FO/CC? oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote: > > Jim, > > It isn't about the oil in the gut. It's about the oil in the cell membranes. There is no way you can dose the two and seperate them in a way that will get around this. > > Mike > > > > > > ________________________________ > jrrjim <jim.mcelroy10 > oleander soup > Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:04:10 PM > Re: Oleander and pancreatic cancer > > > I noticed in Tony's notes that alpha lipoic acid is NOT recommended > with flaxseed oil / cottage cheese. > > There is a conflict here, because Alpha Lipoic Acid seems to work > wonderfully well with LDN. > > Now, I'm wondering if the FO / CC is eaten about 11:00 AM and the > Alpha lipoic Acid is taken 12 hours later with the LDN if this will > be okay. > > oleander soup, " May " <luellamay129@ ...> > wrote: > > > > Definitely incorporate Oleander. It is a very strong cancer > fighting > > agent. With regard to black cumin seed, make sure he gets Nigella > > Sativa, as there are many varieties. > > > > I would also give your friend Tony's Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol > and > > have him follow as much of it as possible. > > > > http://www.tbyil. com/anticancer. htm > > <http://www.tbyil.. com/anticancer. htm> > > > > It is an all around, all inclusive way of building up the immune > system > > so that cancer is no longer welcome. > > > > > > > > -- In oleander soup, " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10@ > wrote: > > > > > > I just had a friend diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. I also just > > > got the group email about black cumin seed, which said that black > > > cumin seed and oleander are the only two herbs shown to be > effective > > > against pancreatic cancer. > > > > > > I'd love more information on this. > > > > > > At this time I am recommending that my friend: > > > > > > 1. Go on a typical anti-cancer diet > > > 2. Do flaxseed oil / cottage cheese > > > 3. Take Low dose naltrexone > > > 4. Take alpha lipoic acid > > > > > > I am wondering if I should add oleander and black cumin seed to > this > > > mix. Seems like a good idea! > > > > > > I list 3 and 4 because there are several case studies coming out > > > about LDN and ALA significantly helping panceatic cancer patients. > > > (See www.lowdosenaltrexo ne.org and their video of the Oct 11, 2008 > > > conference.) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Jim, I think if you look back at Mike's posts you will find a very good explanation of why alpha lipoic acid and vitamin E are believed to interfere with the flaxseed/cottage cheese portion of the Budwig Protocol. Yes, alpha lipoic acid is a beneficial anti-oxidant for the liver; however, there are many other beneficial elements for the liver in the protocol, such as milk thistle, selenium, turmeric. coconut oil, beetroot juice and lecithin. Hands down I would choose Budwig over extra supplemental alpha lipoic acid and vitamin E. oleander soup , "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10 wrote:>> So how do they interfere with one another? I can handle scientific > explanations.> > This bums me out. Now I'm not sure which to cut out -- the FO/CC or > the ALA. Which would you recommend?> > Tony, not to be argumentative, but in your white paper you strongly > recommend the ALA for liver health, then later say don't take it if > you are doing the FO/CC. I guess both are true. So, again ... which > gets cut out? The ALA or the FO/CC?> > oleander soup , Mike Golden goldenmike86@ > wrote:> >> > Jim,> > > > It isn't about the oil in the gut. It's about the oil in the cell > membranes. There is no way you can dose the two and seperate them in > a way that will get around this.> > > > Mike> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > jrrjim jim.mcelroy10@> > oleander soup > > Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:04:10 PM> > Re: Oleander and pancreatic cancer> > > > > > I noticed in Tony's notes that alpha lipoic acid is NOT recommended > > with flaxseed oil / cottage cheese. > > > > There is a conflict here, because Alpha Lipoic Acid seems to work > > wonderfully well with LDN.> > > > Now, I'm wondering if the FO / CC is eaten about 11:00 AM and the > > Alpha lipoic Acid is taken 12 hours later with the LDN if this will > > be okay.> > > > oleander soup, " May" > <luellamay129@ ...> > > wrote:> > >> > > Definitely incorporate Oleander. It is a very strong cancer > > fighting> > > agent. With regard to black cumin seed, make sure he gets Nigella> > > Sativa, as there are many varieties.> > > > > > I would also give your friend Tony's Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol > > and> > > have him follow as much of it as possible.> > > > > > http://www.tbyil. com/anticancer. htm> > > <http://www.tbyil.. com/anticancer. htm>> > > > > > It is an all around, all inclusive way of building up the immune > > system> > > so that cancer is no longer welcome.> > > > > > > > > > > > -- In oleander soup, "jrrjim" <jim.mcelroy10@ > > wrote:> > > >> > > > I just had a friend diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. I also > just> > > > got the group email about black cumin seed, which said that > black> > > > cumin seed and oleander are the only two herbs shown to be > > effective> > > > against pancreatic cancer.> > > >> > > > I'd love more information on this.> > > >> > > > At this time I am recommending that my friend:> > > >> > > > 1. Go on a typical anti-cancer diet> > > > 2. Do flaxseed oil / cottage cheese> > > > 3. Take Low dose naltrexone> > > > 4. Take alpha lipoic acid> > > >> > > > I am wondering if I should add oleander and black cumin seed to > > this> > > > mix. Seems like a good idea!> > > >> > > > I list 3 and 4 because there are several case studies coming out> > > > about LDN and ALA significantly helping panceatic cancer > patients.> > > > (See www.lowdosenaltrexo ne.org and their video of the Oct 11, > 2008> > > > conference.)> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Okay -- I will do a search on the site. Mike and I hop around so much between these boards I lose track of where things might be posted. We actually did have a small bit of this discussion several months ago on a sister board, but it was pretty brief. oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > > Jim, I think if you look back at Mike's posts you will find a very good > explanation of why alpha lipoic acid and vitamin E are believed to > interfere with the flaxseed/cottage cheese portion of the Budwig > Protocol. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Here's the thing, though. You state to take selenium but not VIT E. As far as I know, Vit E is fairly essential to the uptake and metabolizing of selenium. Also, someone just stated that Budwig believed all the essential nutrients are in the food on the diet. However, studies have shown that as recently as within the past 4 decades the nutrient values of most foods have plummeted WAY below what is stated on the charts. One notable exception was carrots, for some reason. I believe that supplementation is necessary due to the total depletion and imbalance of nutrients in the soil, making them unavailable to the plants and thus to us. This is why my goats were dying with constant battles against parasites and pnuemonia and etc. until I got them the correct mineral supplements. Even with organic hay, it wasn't enough. The organic rules state 2 years no chemicals in the soil, but how long does it take the nutrients to build back up after years of soil abuse? Sprouting seeds and beans does provide a good level of nutrients, if you can keep up with it, but is it enough for all our own years of poor nutrition either? I believe this is a lot more complex than it appears. I keep seeing one viewpoint, countered by another viewpoint by someone with a deeper knowledge of chemistry and nutrition, then seeing that countered by someone else with another viewpoint until my head is spinning! I do know that Vit E and selenium is how you give selenium supplementation to animals. And you can bet if they do that with animals there is a reason, because people make $$$ with animals. That's how they discovered that soy is detrimental----people saw the damage that occurred with feeding soy-based products to their animals! My goats are the reason I know to use probiotics and to supplement minerals in the correct balance to myself and my family. My goats launched me on this journey! My goats have not been sick a day since I got them on the correct minerals, they are bursting with health and never have even had a birthing problem. People come and look and my animals and ooh and ahh over their healthy appearance. All because they get the correct supplementations. But the first winter I had them was one crisis after another, even to the point of hair falling out and them looking moth-eaten. My search for answers led me to Pat Coleby's book, " Natural Goat Care " , and the success of implementing her protocols led me to the conclusion that what is good for animals is good for humans. And now my family has been very healthy as well. My dh had severe angina that we healed totally with nutrition, including daily ground flax seeds and the correct supplements and most importantly, prayer. he has been symptom-free for years, and meanwhile, I learned about the dangers of trans fatty acids and high fructose corn syrup and we all made changes, inculding SUPPLEMENTATION of key nutrients. I just had to drop something off by the pediatric office and I was thanking God that we haven't had to be there but once for a physical in the past few years. We have been so healthy! I'd hate to give all that up now. Any answers? Jill~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I think the issue is " how much vitamin e? " Not whether to exclude it completely. Yes, of course, you do need some. But how much is optimal, without interfering with EPA and DHA? I don't know the answer to that. Personally, I get 400 IU in my multiple, which may be too much! I was was one who said that the Budwig people think you should get all your nutrients from food. However, please note that I didn't say I agreed with this or that this was possible! oleander soup , " lillisilly " <evangelnet wrote: > > Here's the thing, though. > > You state to take selenium but not VIT E. As far as I know, Vit E is > fairly essential to the uptake and metabolizing of selenium. > > Also, someone just stated that Budwig believed all the essential > nutrients are in the food on the diet. However, studies have shown > that as recently as within the past 4 decades the nutrient values of > most foods have plummeted WAY below what is stated on the charts. One > notable exception was carrots, for some reason. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 I have briefly read/encountered studies/articles that state that synthetic vitamins can accelerate a pancreatic cancer. So im really reluctant about taking vitamins(for my mom). Any thought..? Olivier oleander soup , " jrrjim " <jim.mcelroy10 wrote: > > I think the issue is " how much vitamin e? " Not whether to exclude it > completely. Yes, of course, you do need some. But how much is > optimal, without interfering with EPA and DHA? I don't know the answer > to that. Personally, I get 400 IU in my multiple, which may be too > much! > > I was was one who said that the Budwig people think you should get all > your nutrients from food. However, please note that I didn't say I > agreed with this or that this was possible! > > oleander soup , " lillisilly " <evangelnet@> > wrote: > > > > Here's the thing, though. > > > > You state to take selenium but not VIT E. As far as I know, Vit E is > > fairly essential to the uptake and metabolizing of selenium. > > > > Also, someone just stated that Budwig believed all the essential > > nutrients are in the food on the diet. However, studies have shown > > that as recently as within the past 4 decades the nutrient values of > > most foods have plummeted WAY below what is stated on the charts. One > > notable exception was carrots, for some reason. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 There is an easy solution - don't take synthetic vitamins. For the most part, they simply produce more colorful and more expensive urine, especially the multi-vitamin products like Centrum or One-a-day that contain mostly petro chemical synthetics and crusher rock minerals with low bioavailability. A better solution would be to take whole food derived products such as intraMAX (my favorite) or Dr. Mercola's Whole Food Multivitamin +Plus All the best, oleander soup , "hologrammy2002" <micfo07 wrote:>> I have briefly read/encountered studies/articles> that state that synthetic vitamins can accelerate> a pancreatic cancer.> > So im really reluctant about taking vitamins(for my mom).> Any thought..?> > Olivier> > oleander soup , "jrrjim" jim.mcelroy10@ wrote:> >> > I think the issue is "how much vitamin e?" Not whether to exclude it > > completely. Yes, of course, you do need some. But how much is > > optimal, without interfering with EPA and DHA? I don't know the answer > > to that. Personally, I get 400 IU in my multiple, which may be too > > much! > > > > I was was one who said that the Budwig people think you should get all > > your nutrients from food. However, please note that I didn't say I > > agreed with this or that this was possible! > > > > oleander soup , "lillisilly" <evangelnet@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Here's the thing, though. > > > > > > You state to take selenium but not VIT E. As far as I know, Vit E is > > > fairly essential to the uptake and metabolizing of selenium. > > > > > > Also, someone just stated that Budwig believed all the essential > > > nutrients are in the food on the diet. However, studies have shown > > > that as recently as within the past 4 decades the nutrient values of > > > most foods have plummeted WAY below what is stated on the charts. One > > > notable exception was carrots, for some reason. > > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Hi Tony, thanks for the reply. So do you recommend taking a multi vitamin or not? What about a high dose of vitamin d or c or others? Heres my basic deal: 1- Im trying to understand the details of " perfect " way to do the protocol 2- Then, i remove several things and try to keep the several most important ones(my mother, for some reason, would never be willing to swallow many different types of pills a day. Thats the reality i have to deal with. So while liquid stuff i can put in a drink, capsules have to be limited in numbers, so only the best ones i have to select) Im done P.S. the link to your book is dead. where to buy your book? thanks! Olivier oleander soup , "" wrote: > > > There is an easy solution - don't take synthetic vitamins. For the most > part, they simply produce more colorful and more expensive urine, > especially the multi-vitamin products like Centrum or One-a-day that > contain mostly petro chemical synthetics and crusher rock minerals with > low bioavailability. > > A better solution would be to take whole food derived products such as > > intraMAX > <http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/cmd.php?af=853973 & product=intramax\ > > (my favorite) > > or > > Dr. Mercola's Whole Food Multivitamin +Plus > <http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/?aid=CD363> > <http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/?aid=CD363> > > All the best, > > > > oleander soup , " hologrammy2002 " <micfo07@> > wrote: > > > > I have briefly read/encountered studies/articles > > that state that synthetic vitamins can accelerate > > a pancreatic cancer. > > > > So im really reluctant about taking vitamins(for my mom). > > Any thought..? > > > > Olivier > > > > oleander soup , " jrrjim " jim.mcelroy10@ wrote: > > > > > > I think the issue is " how much vitamin e? " Not whether to exclude it > > > completely. Yes, of course, you do need some. But how much is > > > optimal, without interfering with EPA and DHA? I don't know the > answer > > > to that. Personally, I get 400 IU in my multiple, which may be too > > > much! > > > > > > I was was one who said that the Budwig people think you should get > all > > > your nutrients from food. However, please note that I didn't say I > > > agreed with this or that this was possible! > > > > > > oleander soup , " lillisilly " <evangelnet@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Here's the thing, though. > > > > > > > > You state to take selenium but not VIT E. As far as I know, Vit E > is > > > > fairly essential to the uptake and metabolizing of selenium. > > > > > > > > Also, someone just stated that Budwig believed all the essential > > > > nutrients are in the food on the diet. However, studies have shown > > > > that as recently as within the past 4 decades the nutrient values > of > > > > most foods have plummeted WAY below what is stated on the charts. > One > > > > notable exception was carrots, for some reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Personally, if I believed my life depended on it I would take a hundred pills a day if need be, but I do understand the reluctance. Heck, I take a couple of dozen a day anyway - and I do it in two swallows. Many of the items in the protocol which are mentioned in pill or capsule form are also avaialable in liquid extract or tincture form if you search, and others, such as inositol/IP6 are available in powder form that can be mixed into a liquid. Colloidal silver of course comes in liquid form and it is not at all unpleasant - the taste might even remind your mother of well water drank from a tin ladle, if she has a rural background. The intraMax multivitamin product, which I do recommend with the caveat that some items need to be taken in larger amounts for maxium therapeutic value, comes in liquid form. Yes, high doses of vitamin C and vitamin D are recommended highly, as is high doses of curcumin and iodine. The oleander is available in liquid extract form from Sutherlandiaopc.com, as is the home version "oleander soup". It tastes nasty, but you can overcome that by placing half a dose under the tongue and putting the other half in a strong fruit juice such as pomegranate or dark grape juice and then using a good gulp to swallow the sublinqual dose and then sip the rest of it. The first gulp is not that bad at all and the rest will actually be quite pleasant. WHAT link to my book is dead? If there is one, I need to fix it. The link is http://www.rose-laurel.com All the best, oleander soup , "hologrammy2002" <micfo07 wrote:>> Hi Tony,> thanks for the reply.> > So do you recommend taking a multi vitamin or not?> What about a high dose of vitamin d or c or others?> > Heres my basic deal:> 1- Im trying to understand the details of "perfect" way> to do the protocol> 2- Then, i remove several things and try to keep> the several most important ones(my mother, for some reason,> would never be willing to swallow many different types> of pills a day. Thats the reality i have to deal with.> So while liquid stuff i can put in a drink, capsules> have to be limited in numbers, so only the best ones i have> to select)> > Im done> > P.S. the link to your book is dead. where to buy your book?> thanks!> > Olivier> > > oleander soup , "TonyI" @ wrote:> >> > > > There is an easy solution - don't take synthetic vitamins. For the most> > part, they simply produce more colorful and more expensive urine,> > especially the multi-vitamin products like Centrum or One-a-day that> > contain mostly petro chemical synthetics and crusher rock minerals with> > low bioavailability.> > > > A better solution would be to take whole food derived products such as> > > > intraMAX> > <http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/cmd.php?af=853973 & product=intramax\> > > (my favorite)> > > > or> > > > Dr. Mercola's Whole Food Multivitamin +Plus> > <http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/?aid=CD363> > > <http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/?aid=CD363>> > > > All the best,> > > > Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Hi Tony, Thanks so much again. In the spirit of not bombarding you with news posts and questions (yes, you must bee tired of so many questions), I will create this post in a way all my questions will be covered, and yo wont have to " deal with me " again and again : ) Ok.. -Yes, i would also take 100 pills for my life, but my mother isnt like that. I cant change her, i need to work with her. So in that context, im trying to find the fewest things that will help the most. -My mother has pancreatic cancer - can you list, if you had to only take 5 things, the 5 most important things(supplements) she should take? Put in order of important, 1 being most important. So that if my mom can only take 1, she ll take the most important one. if 2, the 2 most important ones. etc, up to 5. (of course oleander is number 1) ==// An example of a compromise would be, you could have many things in mind, like intramax etc, but you may end up thinking, if she eats a good budwig way, then she may not need as much intramax as she would benefit from a high vit D dose, for example. Im just inventing here, but you get the idea. I believe she will probably only take 3 supplements, maximum, if not 2. But go up to 5 top supplements, in order of importance, please. -For the Oleander, you said: " It tastes nasty, but you can overcome that by placing half a > dose under the tongue and putting the other half in a strong fruit juice > such as pomegranate or dark grape juice and then using a good gulp to > swallow the sublinqual dose and then sip the rest of it. " I did order it, and i asked Marc, the guy selling it, if i can put it in juice, and he just replied " yes " . So is it a must to put half the dose under your tongue? (again, im asking because my mother is quick to reject supplements that taste bad. Not saying its impossible she wont force herself t take it, but if its not necessary to taste it under your tongue, then i wouldnt take the chance. i want the truth tho) -Is there a potency difference between liquid and capsule version of oleander? -Yes, i can go to your site now. Weird internet screw up earlier. thanks Thanks so much! That should cover my questions for a while lol : ) (the only other questions i may ask again is the source for a particular supplement in a particular form) You have a wonderful day Olivier oleander soup , "" wrote: > > > Personally, if I believed my life depended on it I would take a hundred > pills a day if need be, but I do understand the reluctance. Heck, I > take a couple of dozen a day anyway - and I do it in two swallows. > > Many of the items in the protocol which are mentioned in pill or capsule > form are also avaialable in liquid extract or tincture form if you > search, and others, such as inositol/IP6 are available in powder form > that can be mixed into a liquid. Colloidal silver of course comes in > liquid form and it is not at all unpleasant - the taste might even > remind your mother of well water drank from a tin ladle, if she has a > rural background. > > The intraMax multivitamin product, which I do recommend with the caveat > that some items need to be taken in larger amounts for maxium > therapeutic value, comes in liquid form. > > Yes, high doses of vitamin C and vitamin D are recommended highly, as is > high doses of curcumin and iodine. The oleander is available in liquid > extract form from Sutherlandiaopc.com, as is the home version " oleander > soup " . It tastes nasty, but you can overcome that by placing half a > dose under the tongue and putting the other half in a strong fruit juice > such as pomegranate or dark grape juice and then using a good gulp to > swallow the sublinqual dose and then sip the rest of it. The first gulp > is not that bad at all and the rest will actually be quite pleasant. > > WHAT link to my book is dead? If there is one, I need to fix it. The > link is http://www.rose-laurel.com <http://www.rose-laurel.com/> > <http://www.rose-laurel.com> > > All the best, > > > > > oleander soup , " hologrammy2002 " <micfo07@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Tony, > > thanks for the reply. > > > > So do you recommend taking a multi vitamin or not? > > What about a high dose of vitamin d or c or others? > > > > Heres my basic deal: > > 1- Im trying to understand the details of " perfect " way > > to do the protocol > > 2- Then, i remove several things and try to keep > > the several most important ones(my mother, for some reason, > > would never be willing to swallow many different types > > of pills a day. Thats the reality i have to deal with. > > So while liquid stuff i can put in a drink, capsules > > have to be limited in numbers, so only the best ones i have > > to select) > > > > Im done > > > > P.S. the link to your book is dead. where to buy your book? > > thanks! > > > > Olivier > > > > > > oleander soup , "" @ wrote: > > > > > > > > > There is an easy solution - don't take synthetic vitamins. For the > most > > > part, they simply produce more colorful and more expensive urine, > > > especially the multi-vitamin products like Centrum or One-a-day that > > > contain mostly petro chemical synthetics and crusher rock minerals > with > > > low bioavailability. > > > > > > A better solution would be to take whole food derived products such > as > > > > > > intraMAX > > > > <http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/cmd.php?af=853973 & product=intramax\ > \ > > > > (my favorite) > > > > > > or > > > > > > Dr. Mercola's Whole Food Multivitamin +Plus > > > <http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/?aid=CD363> > > > <http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/?aid=CD363> > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Olivier, Tony will respond to your questions but I want to jump in here and say that you are in no way a bother. Ask all the questions you need to. That's why we are here, to guide you. Many Blessings, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Only five supplements? That is really tough to do, especially when you say that she may only choose 1, 2 or 3 of them. First and foremost would be oleander. See these case reports for oleander in the form of the patented medicine Anvirzel and pancreatic cancer: Pancreas cancer with bone metastases - SO Pancreas cancer - MH I also note that the last two pancreatic cancer patients who used Anvirzel had their cancer completely gone in one instance and stabilized in another after six months. Second would be black seed oil (you can get it in extract form and mix it with something else). Third would be digestive enzymes, but you have to take a lot of them. Perhaps you could get them in powder form and mix it into a daily health drink that contained supergreen foods, juiced vegetables and key supplements? Fourth would be colloidal silver - once again a liquid that should be easy to take. Fifth would be inositol/IP6, which you can also get in powder form and mix in with the juiced vegetable drink. Since she is not willing to take lots of supplements I would opine that getting the intraMaX would be essential. It too comes in liquid form. And the Budwig flaxseed and cottage cheese is an essential. So in my opinion is iodine (again, it comes in liquid form and can be mixed) and plenty of vitamin D3. She can get the vitamin D3 from some daily sunshine if she lives in a southern clime. Now, perhaps you could get those items and make up a mixed juice drink to count as one single supplement and then talk her into adding a couple of others? Insofar as mixing the oleander extract with the juice, there are no taste buds under the tongue and taking half the dose sublinqually like that increases the absorption. Only when you take the gulp of juice and oleander will there be a slight twang, but it really is not bad at all. Don't worry about asking too many questions. That is what we are here for. All the best, oleander soup , "hologrammy2002" <micfo07 wrote:>> Hi Tony,> Thanks so much again.> > In the spirit of not bombarding you with news posts> and questions (yes, you must bee tired of so many questions),> I will create this post in a way all my questions will be covered,> and yo wont have to "deal with me" again and again : )> > Ok..> > -Yes, i would also take 100 pills for my life, but my mother> isnt like that. I cant change her, i need to work with her.> So in that context, im trying to find the fewest things> that will help the most.> > -My mother has pancreatic cancer - can you list, if you had> to only take 5 things, the 5 most important things(supplements)> she should take? Put in order of important, 1 being most important.> So that if my mom can only take 1, she ll take the most important one.> if 2, the 2 most important ones. etc, up to 5.> (of course oleander is number 1)> > ==// An example of a compromise would be, you could have many things> in mind, like intramax etc, but you may end up thinking, if she> eats a good budwig way, then she may not need as much intramax> as she would benefit from a high vit D dose, for example. Im just> inventing here, but you get the idea.> I believe she will probably only take 3 supplements, maximum,> if not 2. But go up to 5 top supplements, in order of importance, please.> > -For the Oleander, you said:> "It tastes nasty, but you can overcome that by placing half a> > dose under the tongue and putting the other half in a strong fruit juice > such as pomegranate or dark grape juice and then using a good gulp to > swallow the sublinqual dose and then sip the rest of it. "> > I did order it, and i asked Marc, the guy selling it, if i can> put it in juice, and he just replied "yes".> > So is it a must to put half the dose under your tongue?> (again, im asking because my mother is quick to reject> supplements that taste bad. Not saying its impossible she> wont force herself t take it, but if its not necessary to taste> it under your tongue, then i wouldnt take the chance. i want the truth tho)> > -Is there a potency difference between liquid and capsule version of oleander?> > -Yes, i can go to your site now. Weird internet screw up earlier.> thanks> > > Thanks so much!> That should cover my questions for a while lol : )> (the only other questions i may ask again is the source> for a particular supplement in a particular form)> > You have a wonderful day Tony> > Olivier> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Olivier, One way to get the picky eaters to accept things that don't taste too good, is to let them know that this is medicine, and medicine doesn't always taste good. This helped somewhat with my wife. Also, drinking liquids through a straw can sometimes get them past the taste buds. And if you are making smoothies with the ingredients that Tony lists, add a slice of pineapple and perhaps some cranberries to make it more palatable. Good luck, Ted oleander soup , "" wrote: > > > Only five supplements? That is really tough to do, especially when you > say that she may only choose 1, 2 or 3 of them. > > First and foremost would be oleander. See these case reports for > oleander in the form of the patented medicine Anvirzel and pancreatic > cancer: > > Pancreas cancer with bone metastases - SO > <http://www.drozel.org/eng/diagnosis_pancreas_SO.htm> > > Pancreas cancer - MH > <http://www.drozel.org/eng/diagnosis_pancreas_MH.htm> > > I also note that the last two pancreatic cancer patients who used > Anvirzel had their cancer completely gone in one instance and stabilized > in another after six months. > > Second would be black seed oil (you can get it in extract form and mix > it with something else). > > Third would be digestive enzymes, but you have to take a lot of them. > Perhaps you could get them in powder form and mix it into a daily health > drink that contained supergreen foods, juiced vegetables and key > supplements? > > Fourth would be colloidal silver - once again a liquid that should be > easy to take. > > Fifth would be inositol/IP6, which you can also get in powder form and > mix in with the juiced vegetable drink. > > Since she is not willing to take lots of supplements I would opine that > getting the intraMaX would be essential. It too comes in liquid form. > > And the Budwig flaxseed and cottage cheese is an essential. > > So in my opinion is iodine (again, it comes in liquid form and can be > mixed) and plenty of vitamin D3. She can get the vitamin D3 from some > daily sunshine if she lives in a southern clime. > > Now, perhaps you could get those items and make up a mixed juice drink > to count as one single supplement and then talk her into adding a couple > of others? > > Insofar as mixing the oleander extract with the juice, there are no > taste buds under the tongue and taking half the dose sublinqually like > that increases the absorption. Only when you take the gulp of juice and > oleander will there be a slight twang, but it really is not bad at all. > > Don't worry about asking too many questions. That is what we are here > for. > > All the best, > > > > > oleander soup , " hologrammy2002 " <micfo07@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Tony, > > Thanks so much again. > > > > In the spirit of not bombarding you with news posts > > and questions (yes, you must bee tired of so many questions), > > I will create this post in a way all my questions will be covered, > > and yo wont have to " deal with me " again and again : ) > > > > Ok.. > > > > -Yes, i would also take 100 pills for my life, but my mother > > isnt like that. I cant change her, i need to work with her. > > So in that context, im trying to find the fewest things > > that will help the most. > > > > -My mother has pancreatic cancer - can you list, if you had > > to only take 5 things, the 5 most important things(supplements) > > she should take? Put in order of important, 1 being most important. > > So that if my mom can only take 1, she ll take the most important one. > > if 2, the 2 most important ones. etc, up to 5. > > (of course oleander is number 1) > > > > ==// An example of a compromise would be, you could have many things > > in mind, like intramax etc, but you may end up thinking, if she > > eats a good budwig way, then she may not need as much intramax > > as she would benefit from a high vit D dose, for example. Im just > > inventing here, but you get the idea. > > I believe she will probably only take 3 supplements, maximum, > > if not 2. But go up to 5 top supplements, in order of importance, > please. > > > > -For the Oleander, you said: > > " It tastes nasty, but you can overcome that by placing half a > > > dose under the tongue and putting the other half in a strong fruit > juice > such as pomegranate or dark grape juice and then using a good > gulp to > swallow the sublinqual dose and then sip the rest of it. " > > > > I did order it, and i asked Marc, the guy selling it, if i can > > put it in juice, and he just replied " yes " . > > > > So is it a must to put half the dose under your tongue? > > (again, im asking because my mother is quick to reject > > supplements that taste bad. Not saying its impossible she > > wont force herself t take it, but if its not necessary to taste > > it under your tongue, then i wouldnt take the chance. i want the truth > tho) > > > > -Is there a potency difference between liquid and capsule version of > oleander? > > > > -Yes, i can go to your site now. Weird internet screw up earlier. > > thanks > > > > > > Thanks so much! > > That should cover my questions for a while lol : ) > > (the only other questions i may ask again is the source > > for a particular supplement in a particular form) > > > > You have a wonderful day > > > > Olivier > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Hi Tony, Thanks so much again : ) I've decided again to post all my questions in one post, instead of writing many different posts that drown other posts by others. Just reply under each of my question, so its easy for you. Keep in mind my mom has pancreatic cancer, and had duct blocked, and just had a sten installed at duodenum, which is supposed to have this unblocked as well(remain to be seen) As i ask for the quantity for her to take of each thing, at the start and then going forward, keep in mind where she is right now, with pancreatic cancer. I will lists the supplements you've listed,one at a time, with my questions about them... // Black seed oil - -Recommended source between: http://www.amazingherbs.com/blackseedoil.html http://www.sweetsunnah.com/cgi-bin/category/BSO -Taste alot and/or bad taste? (this is to decide if some will be taken as pills, although mom hates pill) -What quantity to take per day/how many times per day? (if theres an increase over time, you can say week 1,week2 etc) // Digestive Enzymes -Which one(url) would you recommend in her case in powder form? -Taste alot and/or bad taste? (this is to decide if some will be taken as pills, although mom hates pill) -What quantity to take per day/how many times per day(at meals?)? (if theres an increase over time, you can say week 1,week2 etc) -Which one(url) would you recommend in her case in capsule form? (if i choose capsules over powder form) -What quantity to take per day/how many times per day(at meals?)? (if theres an increase over time, you can say week 1,week2 etc) - My mom is currently taking " creon " (recommended by doc), would those above replace creon? Or add to them? // Colloidal silver -Recommendation (url)? -Taste alot and/or bad taste? -What quantity to take per day/how many times per day? (if theres an increase over time, you can say week 1,week2 etc) // Inositol/IP6 -powder form Recommendation (url)? -Taste alot and/or bad taste? -What quantity to take per day/how many times per day? (if theres an increase over time, you can say week 1,week2 etc) // IntraMaX -The liquid form, Taste alot and/or bad taste? -What quantity to take per day/how many times per day? (if theres an increase over time, you can say week 1,week2 etc) // Iodine -Recommendation (url)? -Taste alot and/or bad taste? -What quantity to take per day/how many times per day? (if theres an increase over time, you can say week 1,week2 etc) // Vitamin D3 -is there a liquid/powder form(url of it, if it exist)? -Url of the one you recommend -What quantity to take per day/how many times per day? (if theres an increase over time, you can say week 1,week2 etc) You Said: " Now, perhaps you could get those items and make up a mixed juice drink to count as one single supplement and then talk her into adding a couple of others? " -Would you list what the other supplements you had in mind? (to be thorough, although to be honest, i'm not sure if i will be able to afford any more than this current list. Who knows..) -What about curcumin capsules here: http://www.turmeric-curcumin.com -Is it that worth it in her case? -What quantity would you recommend, week 1, 2, 3..)? -What about agaricus mushroom supplement? I know good stuff is said about it. Just not sure if its that essential here.. // N-Acetyl Cystein -I read somewhere that its almost an essential with Oleander (hopefully not) - is it? (getting to be a lot of supplements, so if not necessary, please tell me so..) -I read you take it in a juice on an empty stomach.. ....so what if in my juice there 4-7 other liquid supplement included, does this still count as " on an empty stomach " and will work just as well as if taken alone(without other supplements mixed together)? -Can i really put all those supplements in a few juices per day? I mean i read that black seed oil should be taken after a meal. But some others on an empty stomach. So is there really a way to put all those supplements in 1-3 drinks per day? (seems like some supplements wouldn't be taken at the right time) And, Regardless of this... -Would it be too much digestion to have my mom(with pancreatic cancer and stent at her pancreatic duct tube and duodenum, which were blocked) take all those supplements together in a single glass? -Wouldnt you say taking all of these together at the same time as a single drink, is really too much, not natural, overwelming the system/pancreas, let alone for her with pancreas issues? (remember how pancreatic cancer folks, for example, are recommended to start with small amounts of flax seed oil, and slowly gradually increase quantify) -And *IF* you answer no, its alright to take them all, still would you recommend introducing each one, one at a time, adding it to the juice, over time? maybe only include some of the supplements at first, and add others over time? (again for example, with pancreatic cancer, it is recommended to start with very little flax seed oil, and increase gradually over time) -Is it possible some supplements can be problematic for my mom, has she had stents installed at her pancreatic duct tube and duodenum, which were blocked), and maybe some of the supplements can secrete more bile or tend to favor blocking my mother's duct or duodenum or whatever...more when taking some of them compared to when not taking any of them..? ....im asking this because, while it may be a coincidence, before her last blockages started(before new stent were installed) i started having her taking a agaricus mushroom liquid supplement + a zeolite liquid supplement. And i was wondering if some supplement increase the chance/speed at which " blockages " can happen around the pancreas/duct/duodenum areas.. -For the cleanse, any kind of apple juice will do? Or need to be homemade juice(i have a new greenstar)? -Would she take less juice if she ahs pancreatic cancer? -What protein to eat if, beside no animal protein, like budwig, you also forbid grains?(saw a file on the saying grains are potentially bad) Ok.... Im sorry for all the questions, but i went very systematically to cover everything in one go. No stones left unturned. Then i'm set. P.S. I can pay you a bit since i've just asked you a whole lot of questions - or you can reply to a portion, then another portion on another day. Thanks so so so much. My mom is almost all i have, and i owe her so much. Much love Olivier oleander soup , "" wrote: > > > Only five supplements? That is really tough to do, especially when you > say that she may only choose 1, 2 or 3 of them. > > First and foremost would be oleander. See these case reports for > oleander in the form of the patented medicine Anvirzel and pancreatic > cancer: > > Pancreas cancer with bone metastases - SO > <http://www.drozel.org/eng/diagnosis_pancreas_SO.htm> > > Pancreas cancer - MH > <http://www.drozel.org/eng/diagnosis_pancreas_MH.htm> > > I also note that the last two pancreatic cancer patients who used > Anvirzel had their cancer completely gone in one instance and stabilized > in another after six months. > > Second would be black seed oil (you can get it in extract form and mix > it with something else). > > Third would be digestive enzymes, but you have to take a lot of them. > Perhaps you could get them in powder form and mix it into a daily health > drink that contained supergreen foods, juiced vegetables and key > supplements? > > Fourth would be colloidal silver - once again a liquid that should be > easy to take. > > Fifth would be inositol/IP6, which you can also get in powder form and > mix in with the juiced vegetable drink. > > Since she is not willing to take lots of supplements I would opine that > getting the intraMaX would be essential. It too comes in liquid form. > > And the Budwig flaxseed and cottage cheese is an essential. > > So in my opinion is iodine (again, it comes in liquid form and can be > mixed) and plenty of vitamin D3. She can get the vitamin D3 from some > daily sunshine if she lives in a southern clime. > > Now, perhaps you could get those items and make up a mixed juice drink > to count as one single supplement and then talk her into adding a couple > of others? > > Insofar as mixing the oleander extract with the juice, there are no > taste buds under the tongue and taking half the dose sublinqually like > that increases the absorption. Only when you take the gulp of juice and > oleander will there be a slight twang, but it really is not bad at all. > > Don't worry about asking too many questions. That is what we are here > for. > > All the best, > > > > > oleander soup , " hologrammy2002 " <micfo07@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Tony, > > Thanks so much again. > > > > In the spirit of not bombarding you with news posts > > and questions (yes, you must bee tired of so many questions), > > I will create this post in a way all my questions will be covered, > > and yo wont have to " deal with me " again and again : ) > > > > Ok.. > > > > -Yes, i would also take 100 pills for my life, but my mother > > isnt like that. I cant change her, i need to work with her. > > So in that context, im trying to find the fewest things > > that will help the most. > > > > -My mother has pancreatic cancer - can you list, if you had > > to only take 5 things, the 5 most important things(supplements) > > she should take? Put in order of important, 1 being most important. > > So that if my mom can only take 1, she ll take the most important one. > > if 2, the 2 most important ones. etc, up to 5. > > (of course oleander is number 1) > > > > ==// An example of a compromise would be, you could have many things > > in mind, like intramax etc, but you may end up thinking, if she > > eats a good budwig way, then she may not need as much intramax > > as she would benefit from a high vit D dose, for example. Im just > > inventing here, but you get the idea. > > I believe she will probably only take 3 supplements, maximum, > > if not 2. But go up to 5 top supplements, in order of importance, > please. > > > > -For the Oleander, you said: > > " It tastes nasty, but you can overcome that by placing half a > > > dose under the tongue and putting the other half in a strong fruit > juice > such as pomegranate or dark grape juice and then using a good > gulp to > swallow the sublinqual dose and then sip the rest of it. " > > > > I did order it, and i asked Marc, the guy selling it, if i can > > put it in juice, and he just replied " yes " . > > > > So is it a must to put half the dose under your tongue? > > (again, im asking because my mother is quick to reject > > supplements that taste bad. Not saying its impossible she > > wont force herself t take it, but if its not necessary to taste > > it under your tongue, then i wouldnt take the chance. i want the truth > tho) > > > > -Is there a potency difference between liquid and capsule version of > oleander? > > > > -Yes, i can go to your site now. Weird internet screw up earlier. > > thanks > > > > > > Thanks so much! > > That should cover my questions for a while lol : ) > > (the only other questions i may ask again is the source > > for a particular supplement in a particular form) > > > > You have a wonderful day > > > > Olivier > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Hi Ted, thanks for the great tips. I will also print many of the testimonials for her to read, so that she's really more willing to drink these things, no matter how they taste. thanks again Olivier oleander soup , " tedsanford " <tedsanford wrote: > > Olivier, > One way to get the picky eaters to accept things that don't taste too good, is to let them know that this is medicine, and medicine doesn't always taste good. This helped somewhat with my wife. Also, drinking liquids through a straw can sometimes get them past the taste buds. And if you are making smoothies with the ingredients that Tony lists, add a slice of pineapple and perhaps some cranberries to make it more palatable. > Good luck, > Ted > > oleander soup , "" @> wrote: > > > > > > Only five supplements? That is really tough to do, especially when you > > say that she may only choose 1, 2 or 3 of them. > > > > First and foremost would be oleander. See these case reports for > > oleander in the form of the patented medicine Anvirzel and pancreatic > > cancer: > > > > Pancreas cancer with bone metastases - SO > > <http://www.drozel.org/eng/diagnosis_pancreas_SO.htm> > > > > Pancreas cancer - MH > > <http://www.drozel.org/eng/diagnosis_pancreas_MH.htm> > > > > I also note that the last two pancreatic cancer patients who used > > Anvirzel had their cancer completely gone in one instance and stabilized > > in another after six months. > > > > Second would be black seed oil (you can get it in extract form and mix > > it with something else). > > > > Third would be digestive enzymes, but you have to take a lot of them. > > Perhaps you could get them in powder form and mix it into a daily health > > drink that contained supergreen foods, juiced vegetables and key > > supplements? > > > > Fourth would be colloidal silver - once again a liquid that should be > > easy to take. > > > > Fifth would be inositol/IP6, which you can also get in powder form and > > mix in with the juiced vegetable drink. > > > > Since she is not willing to take lots of supplements I would opine that > > getting the intraMaX would be essential. It too comes in liquid form. > > > > And the Budwig flaxseed and cottage cheese is an essential. > > > > So in my opinion is iodine (again, it comes in liquid form and can be > > mixed) and plenty of vitamin D3. She can get the vitamin D3 from some > > daily sunshine if she lives in a southern clime. > > > > Now, perhaps you could get those items and make up a mixed juice drink > > to count as one single supplement and then talk her into adding a couple > > of others? > > > > Insofar as mixing the oleander extract with the juice, there are no > > taste buds under the tongue and taking half the dose sublinqually like > > that increases the absorption. Only when you take the gulp of juice and > > oleander will there be a slight twang, but it really is not bad at all. > > > > Don't worry about asking too many questions. That is what we are here > > for. > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " hologrammy2002 " <micfo07@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Tony, > > > Thanks so much again. > > > > > > In the spirit of not bombarding you with news posts > > > and questions (yes, you must bee tired of so many questions), > > > I will create this post in a way all my questions will be covered, > > > and yo wont have to " deal with me " again and again : ) > > > > > > Ok.. > > > > > > -Yes, i would also take 100 pills for my life, but my mother > > > isnt like that. I cant change her, i need to work with her. > > > So in that context, im trying to find the fewest things > > > that will help the most. > > > > > > -My mother has pancreatic cancer - can you list, if you had > > > to only take 5 things, the 5 most important things(supplements) > > > she should take? Put in order of important, 1 being most important. > > > So that if my mom can only take 1, she ll take the most important one. > > > if 2, the 2 most important ones. etc, up to 5. > > > (of course oleander is number 1) > > > > > > ==// An example of a compromise would be, you could have many things > > > in mind, like intramax etc, but you may end up thinking, if she > > > eats a good budwig way, then she may not need as much intramax > > > as she would benefit from a high vit D dose, for example. Im just > > > inventing here, but you get the idea. > > > I believe she will probably only take 3 supplements, maximum, > > > if not 2. But go up to 5 top supplements, in order of importance, > > please. > > > > > > -For the Oleander, you said: > > > " It tastes nasty, but you can overcome that by placing half a > > > > dose under the tongue and putting the other half in a strong fruit > > juice > such as pomegranate or dark grape juice and then using a good > > gulp to > swallow the sublinqual dose and then sip the rest of it. " > > > > > > I did order it, and i asked Marc, the guy selling it, if i can > > > put it in juice, and he just replied " yes " . > > > > > > So is it a must to put half the dose under your tongue? > > > (again, im asking because my mother is quick to reject > > > supplements that taste bad. Not saying its impossible she > > > wont force herself t take it, but if its not necessary to taste > > > it under your tongue, then i wouldnt take the chance. i want the truth > > tho) > > > > > > -Is there a potency difference between liquid and capsule version of > > oleander? > > > > > > -Yes, i can go to your site now. Weird internet screw up earlier. > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much! > > > That should cover my questions for a while lol : ) > > > (the only other questions i may ask again is the source > > > for a particular supplement in a particular form) > > > > > > You have a wonderful day > > > > > > Olivier > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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