Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Hi Everyone,I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Max-GXL is. Here in Australia it is touted as the best precursor to glutathione. (Hope this is the right way to describe it).How does it compare to NAC and will it interfere with the Cottage Cheese/Flaxseed mixture I am taking? It seems to be quite pricey, especially with the currency conversion at present. However I have a well-meaning friend trying to talk me around to taking it.Blessings, Eva.--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan wrote:Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswanRe: Re: update and request for thoughts and commentsTo: oleander soup Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 8:01 PM Hi Steve, I think it should have said 'Vitamin C improves the effectiveness of the NAC'. That is what my bottle of NAC says. I have not seen anything about Vitamin C depletion yet. Maybe there is some research in this area that I am not aware of. However, NAC is an antioxidant by itself so I cannot see how it would deplete the Vit C. Marc Swanepoel - Steve Cox oleander soup Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:17 PM Re: Re: update and request for thoughts and comments on the bottle of NAC, it recommends increasing vit C consumtion, because NAC could cause C depletion.--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan (AT) global (DOT) co.za> wrote: Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan (AT) global (DOT) co.za>Re: Re: update and request for thoughts and commentsoleander soupThursday, January 22, 2009, 2:01 PM I have read comments to the effect that long term use of NAC may deplete Zinc and Copper levels in the body but I cannot see any logical reason why this should happen and I have not seen any first hand research confirming this. See http://www.tastefor life.com/ content/default. asp?artid= 1630 & title=NAC_Supports_ Detox_and_ More Marc Swanepoel - jrrjim oleander soup Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:39 PM Re: update and request for thoughts and comments I read somewhere that there was some danger in taking NAC long term. I read that a safer alternative is to take whey isolate and to make sure that your other glutathione precursors are adequate. But I think this info came from a website pushing a specific brand of whey isolate. What is your take?oleander soup, "Marc Swanepoel - PhD" <marcswan@.. .> wrote:>> Hi Carl,> I'm glad to hear your PSA has stabilized again. However, both the Casodex and Lupron affect the glutathione levels in your cells. This, in the long term, will change the TH1 to TH2 ratio of CD4 cells in your body with a gradual over preponderance of TH2 cells. As TH1 immune cells are responsible for intracellular protection, this can eventually lead to fungal infections that do not respond to antibiotics. Whether you decide to continue taking the Casodex/Lupron or not, it is VERY important to take between 3 and 10 gm of N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) per day to assist the body in synthesizing its own glutathione. All cancer patients already have a shortage of glutathione in their bodies and it is thus important not to aggravate the situation. > Regards,> Marc Swanepoel> > - > Carl Fritch > oleander soup > Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:57 PM> update and request for thoughts and comments> > > As some of you may remember by PSA jumped from 30 to 630 in 3 months> last Dec.> > I was taking about 4 OPC pills a day for some of that time trying to> work up to 6 a day.> > I started taking the Casodex again because, even though I don't want> to take it, it seems to be the only thing that has helped in the past.> > I was able to get up to 6 OPC pills a day and did 1 liver cleanse. I> also started on a mostly vegetarian diet. > > My PSA as of Tuesday was 623.> > The good news is it stopped getting worse and even went down slightly.> The bad news is I can't credit OPC with that because I started taking> the Casodex again and I am on Lupron.> > The odd thing for me is I started feeling better almost the day I got> my dosage of OPC up to 6 pills a day. I also have no pain. I was> starting to have some bone pain back in December.> > This seems odd to me that I would feel significantly better and yet> have marginal improvement in my numbers.> > Any thoughts or comments?> > Thanks in advance,> Carl> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 MAX_GXL contains the following ingredients (see http://www.maxgxl.com/productsfaq.php): Calcium Ascorbate- A mineral salt of vitamin C, L-Glutamine, Milk Thistle, N acetyl Cysteine (NAC), N-acetyl d-glucosamine, Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA), Quercetin and Cordyceps. These should not interfere with the Cottage Cheese/Flaxseed but it would probably be cheaper to buy NAC, NAG, ALA and Milk Thistle separately. Marc Swanepoel - Eva Klein-Otis oleander soup Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:43 AM How good is Max-GXL? Hi Everyone,I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Max-GXL is. Here in Australia it is touted as the best precursor to glutathione. (Hope this is the right way to describe it).How does it compare to NAC and will it interfere with the Cottage Cheese/Flaxseed mixture I am taking? It seems to be quite pricey, especially with the currency conversion at present. However I have a well-meaning friend trying to talk me around to taking it.Blessings, Eva.--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Well, now it gets interesting. I've been raising this question on some of our " sister boards " with not much feedback. So here goes. First and foremost, I don't know the answers to any of these issues I am raising, and I am not trying to make any points --just discover the truth! (My life may depend on it!) I have thought for several months that a vital and important component to a good alternative fight against cancer is raising one's glutathione levels as high as possible. Along these lines I have been taking whey isolate, milk thistle, alpha lipoic acid, some C, and some E. Of the mix in MAX_GXL, I have not been taking glutamine, but I believe the whey isolate has a large amount in it. I have also not been taking the NAC, thinking there was enough cysteine in the whey isolate. In addition, I occassionally take coffee enemas, because the Gerson people say this raises glutathione levels 5x - 7x in the liver. At any rate, in the last couple of days, I have been reading that cancer cells actually have very elevated rates of glutathione in them!!! In fact, it is their main line of defense against any sort of oxidative stress that might kill the cancer cells. I have also been reading a recently discovered an alternative site run by a " Dr. Steve " who swears that cancer loves antioxidants, again because they prevent oxidative stress in the cancer cells. This seems to agree with the Budwig people, who also say not to take extra antioxidants. Dr. Steve also stresses LOWERING glutathione levels!!! And Dr. Singh of artemisinin fame is also saying not to raise glutathione levels if you want artemisinin to work properly, because artemisinin creates oxygen free radicals in the cancer cells, killing them, and glutathione will dampen that reaction. So now I am very confused. There is one thing that I am catching hints of that may make this picture clearer. Is it possible that raising the overall body glutathione levels actually decreases it in the cancer cells? Whey isolate seems to act this way, for reasons unknown. The Immunocal people swear their product does this. There is also a lot of other literature out there on how undenatured cold filtered whey isolate can clobber cancer by -- yes -- raising overall glutathione levels, which paradoxically seems to lower them in cancer cells. So I am wondering if *ALL* methods of raising glutathione levels in the body actually have the reverse effect of lowering the glutathione levels in cancer cells. As I said, this is getting very confusing for me. oleander soup , " Marc Swanepoel - PhD " <marcswan wrote: > > MAX_GXL contains the following ingredients (see http://www.maxgxl.com/productsfaq.php): > Calcium Ascorbate- A mineral salt of vitamin C, L-Glutamine, Milk Thistle, N acetyl Cysteine (NAC), N-acetyl d-glucosamine, Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA), Quercetin and Cordyceps. These should not interfere with the Cottage Cheese/Flaxseed but it would probably be cheaper to buy NAC, NAG, ALA and Milk Thistle separately. > Marc Swanepoel > > - > > Eva Klein-Otis > oleander soup > Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:43 AM > How good is Max-GXL? > > > Hi Everyone, > I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Max-GXL is. Here in Australia it is touted as the best precursor to glutathione. (Hope this is the right way to describe it). > > How does it compare to NAC and will it interfere with the Cottage Cheese/Flaxseed mixture I am taking? It seems to be quite pricey, especially with the currency conversion at present. However I have a well-meaning friend trying to talk me around to taking it. > > Blessings, Eva. > > > > --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I have tried the GXL and had no results. Neither did anyone I gave it too. I bought a bunch of boxes so I could really give it a fair shot. Now, this is not to say it won't do something for you since the science looks quite sound. All the people I tried it on were either family or clients and they had already been detoxified of metals. In a toxic person, it would probably work better. I really just wanted to see if more glutathione would be produced and my theory is that when a person's body is clean that they are already producing enough. What I don't like about Max is that if you stop taking it the symptoms will come back. I know a lot of people who use it, in my women's club and also a few other friends and athletes. This is just my two cents as a nutritional counselor. I know docs who rave about it though and also a few people who have done well on it. I frequent every health and women's show that comes around and have traveled to many out of country ones too and am surprised that I have yet to see in person even ONE person promoting Max who looks healthy! If it's so good, shouldn't they be glowing with health, be slim, have good skin and hair? That's not what I've seen! Kind of like all the people promoting weight loss products but they're obese themselves. Sharon Hoehner www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen oleander soup , Eva Klein-Otis <eklein.otis wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Max-GXL is. Here in Australia it is touted as the best precursor to glutathione. (Hope this is the right way to describe it). > > How does it compare to NAC and will it interfere with the Cottage Cheese/Flaxseed mixture I am taking? It seems to be quite pricey, especially with the currency conversion at present. However I have a well-meaning friend trying to talk me around to taking it. > > Blessings, Eva. > > > > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan wrote: > Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan > Re: Re: update and request for thoughts and comments > oleander soup > Thursday, January 22, 2009, 8:01 PM > > > > > > > > Hi Steve, > I think it should have said 'Vitamin C improves the > effectiveness of the NAC'. That is what my bottle of NAC says. I have not > seen anything about Vitamin C depletion yet. Maybe there is some research in > this area that I am not aware of. However, NAC is an antioxidant by itself so I > cannot see how it would deplete the Vit C. > Marc Swanepoel > > > - > > Steve Cox > > oleander soup > > Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:17 > PM > Re: Re: update > and request for thoughts and comments > on the bottle of NAC, it recommends increasing vit C > consumtion, because NAC could cause C depletion. > > --- On Thu, > 1/22/09, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan (AT) global (DOT) co.za> > wrote: > > Marc > Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan (AT) global (DOT) co.za> > Subject: > Re: Re: update and request for thoughts and > comments > oleander soup > Date: > Thursday, January 22, 2009, 2:01 PM > > > > > > I have read comments to the effect that > long term use of NAC may deplete Zinc and Copper levels in the body > but I cannot see any logical reason why this should happen and I have > not seen any first hand research confirming this. See http://www.tastefor life.com/ > content/default. asp?artid= 1630 & title=NAC_Supports_ Detox_and_ > More > Marc Swanepoel > > - > jrrjim > oleander soup > Thursday, January 22, > 2009 6:39 PM > Re: > update and request for thoughts and comments > > > > I read somewhere that there was some danger in taking NAC long > term. > I read that a safer alternative is to take whey isolate > and to make > sure that your other glutathione precursors are > adequate. But I > think this info came from a website pushing a > specific brand of whey > isolate. What is your take? > > --- In > oleander soup, " Marc Swanepoel - > PhD " > <marcswan@ .> wrote: > > > > Hi > Carl, > > I'm glad to hear your PSA has stabilized again. > However, both the > Casodex and Lupron affect the glutathione > levels in your cells. This, > in the long term, will change the > TH1 to TH2 ratio of CD4 cells in > your body with a gradual over > preponderance of TH2 cells. As TH1 > immune cells are responsible > for intracellular protection, this can > eventually lead to fungal > infections that do not respond to > antibiotics. Whether you > decide to continue taking the Casodex/Lupron > or not, it is VERY > important to take between 3 and 10 gm of N-Acetyl > Cysteine (NAC) > per day to assist the body in synthesizing its own > glutathione. > All cancer patients already have a shortage of > glutathione in > their bodies and it is thus important not to aggravate > the > situation. > > Regards, > > Marc Swanepoel > > > > > - > > Carl Fritch > > To: > oleander soup > > Sent: > Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:57 PM > > > update and request for thoughts and > comments > > > > > > > As some of you may remember by PSA jumped from 30 to 630 in > 3 > months > > last Dec. > > > > I was taking about 4 > OPC pills a day for some of that time trying > to > > work up > to 6 a day. > > > > I started taking the Casodex again > because, even though I don't > want > > to take it, it seems > to be the only thing that has helped in the > past. > > > > > I was able to get up to 6 OPC pills a day and did 1 liver > > cleanse. I > > also started on a mostly vegetarian diet. > > > > > My PSA as of Tuesday was 623. > > > > The > good news is it stopped getting worse and even went down > > slightly. > > The bad news is I can't credit OPC with that > because I started > taking > > the Casodex again and I am on > Lupron. > > > > The odd thing for me is I started feeling > better almost the day I > got > > my dosage of OPC up to 6 > pills a day. I also have no pain. I was > > starting to have > some bone pain back in December. > > > > This seems odd to > me that I would feel significantly better and > yet > > have > marginal improvement in my numbers. > > > > Any thoughts or > comments? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Carl > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Thanks for your comments Sharon, Jim and Mark. I think I have all the info I need to not buy Max-GXL. I am using chlorella to detox and therefore Max-GXL probably would not help. I do coffee enemas religiously and I am very pleased to know they increase the amount of glutathione, too. Very pleased actually! I already take most of the supplements Mark mentioned in his email, so I know it would be a waste of time for me to even consider this additional cost.Blessings, Eva.--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Sharon <energy_now wrote:Sharon <energy_now Re: How good is Max-GXL?oleander soup Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 7:42 PM I have tried the GXL and had no results. Neither did anyone I gave it too. I bought a bunch of boxes so I could really give it a fair shot. Now, this is not to say it won't do something for you since the science looks quite sound. All the people I tried it on were either family or clients and they had already been detoxified of metals. In a toxic person, it would probably work better. I really just wanted to see if more glutathione would be produced and my theory is that when a person's body is clean that they are already producing enough. What I don't like about Max is that if you stop taking it the symptoms will come back. I know a lot of people who use it, in my women's club and also a few other friends and athletes. This is just my two cents as a nutritional counselor. I know docs who rave about it though and also a few people who have done well on it. I frequent every health and women's show that comes around and have traveled to many out of country ones too and am surprised that I have yet to see in person even ONE person promoting Max who looks healthy! If it's so good, shouldn't they be glowing with health, be slim, have good skin and hair? That's not what I've seen! Kind of like all the people promoting weight loss products but they're obese themselves. Sharon Hoehner www.sharethecause. com/detoxqueen oleander soup, Eva Klein-Otis <eklein.otis@ ...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Max-GXL is. Here in Australia it is touted as the best precursor to glutathione. (Hope this is the right way to describe it). > > How does it compare to NAC and will it interfere with the Cottage Cheese/Flaxseed mixture I am taking? It seems to be quite pricey, especially with the currency conversion at present. However I have a well-meaning friend trying to talk me around to taking it. > > Blessings, Eva. > > > > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan@.. .> wrote: > Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan@.. .> > Re: Re: update and request for thoughts and comments > oleander soup > Thursday, January 22, 2009, 8:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Steve, > I think it should have said 'Vitamin C improves the > effectiveness of the NAC'. That is what my bottle of NAC says. I have not > seen anything about Vitamin C depletion yet. Maybe there is some research in > this area that I am not aware of. However, NAC is an antioxidant by itself so I > cannot see how it would deplete the Vit C. > Marc Swanepoel > > > - > > Steve Cox > > oleander soup > > Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:17 > PM > Re: Re: update > and request for thoughts and comments > > > > > > > > on the bottle of NAC, it recommends increasing vit C > consumtion, because NAC could cause C depletion. > > --- On Thu, > 1/22/09, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan (AT) global (DOT) co.za> > wrote: > > Marc > Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan (AT) global (DOT) co.za> > > Re: Re: update and request for thoughts and > comments > oleander soup > > Thursday, January 22, 2009, 2:01 PM > > > > > > I have read comments to the effect that > long term use of NAC may deplete Zinc and Copper levels in the body > but I cannot see any logical reason why this should happen and I have > not seen any first hand research confirming this. See http://www.tastefor life.com/ > content/default. asp?artid= 1630 & title=NAC_ Supports_ Detox_and_ > More > Marc Swanepoel > > - > jrrjim > oleander soup > Thursday, January 22, > 2009 6:39 PM > Re: > update and request for thoughts and comments > > > > I read somewhere that there was some danger in taking NAC long > term. > I read that a safer alternative is to take whey isolate > and to make > sure that your other glutathione precursors are > adequate. But I > think this info came from a website pushing a > specific brand of whey > isolate. What is your take? > > > oleander soup, "Marc Swanepoel - > PhD" > <marcswan@ .> wrote: > > > > Hi > Carl, > > I'm glad to hear your PSA has stabilized again. > However, both the > Casodex and Lupron affect the glutathione > levels in your cells. This, > in the long term, will change the > TH1 to TH2 ratio of CD4 cells in > your body with a gradual over > preponderance of TH2 cells. As TH1 > immune cells are responsible > for intracellular protection, this can > eventually lead to fungal > infections that do not respond to > antibiotics. Whether you > decide to continue taking the Casodex/Lupron > or not, it is VERY > important to take between 3 and 10 gm of N-Acetyl > Cysteine (NAC) > per day to assist the body in synthesizing its own > glutathione. > All cancer patients already have a shortage of > glutathione in > their bodies and it is thus important not to aggravate > the > situation. > > Regards, > > Marc Swanepoel > > > > > - > > Carl Fritch > > > oleander soup > > > Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:57 PM > > > update and request for thoughts and > comments > > > > > > > As some of you may remember by PSA jumped from 30 to 630 in > 3 > months > > last Dec. > > > > I was taking about 4 > OPC pills a day for some of that time trying > to > > work up > to 6 a day. > > > > I started taking the Casodex again > because, even though I don't > want > > to take it, it seems > to be the only thing that has helped in the > past. > > > > > I was able to get up to 6 OPC pills a day and did 1 liver > > cleanse. I > > also started on a mostly vegetarian diet. > > > > > My PSA as of Tuesday was 623. > > > > The > good news is it stopped getting worse and even went down > > slightly. > > The bad news is I can't credit OPC with that > because I started > taking > > the Casodex again and I am on > Lupron. > > > > The odd thing for me is I started feeling > better almost the day I > got > > my dosage of OPC up to 6 > pills a day. I also have no pain. I was > > starting to have > some bone pain back in December. > > > > This seems odd to > me that I would feel significantly better and > yet > > have > marginal improvement in my numbers. > > > > Any thoughts or > comments? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Carl > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Hi all, I am still here so far:). Anyway when it comes to how good something is or is not, I think we have to remember " Biochemical Individuality " . I think it was Richard Passwater, PHD, that coined that phrase back in 1956. Here is his website for any interested: http://www.drpasswater.com/. He was one of the pioneers in megavitamin therapy. As far as the different protocols go, wouldn't it best not to mix elements from each. I believe we have to develop patience and faith in all things. Jay oleander soup , <energy_now wrote: > > I have tried the GXL and had no results. Neither did anyone I gave it > too. I bought a bunch of boxes so I could really give it a fair shot. > Now, this is not to say it won't do something for you since the > science looks quite sound. All the people I tried it on were either > family or clients and they had already been detoxified of metals. In > a toxic person, it would probably work better. I really just wanted > to see if more glutathione would be produced and my theory is that > when a person's body is clean that they are already producing enough. > > What I don't like about Max is that if you stop taking it the symptoms > will come back. I know a lot of people who use it, in my women's club > and also a few other friends and athletes. > > This is just my two cents as a nutritional counselor. I know docs who > rave about it though and also a few people who have done well on it. > I frequent every health and women's show that comes around and have > traveled to many out of country ones too and am surprised that I have > yet to see in person even ONE person promoting Max who looks healthy! > If it's so good, shouldn't they be glowing with health, be slim, have > good skin and hair? That's not what I've seen! Kind of like all the > people promoting weight loss products but they're obese themselves. > > Sharon Hoehner > www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen > > > oleander soup , Eva Klein-Otis <eklein.otis@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Max-GXL is. Here in > Australia it is touted as the best precursor to glutathione. (Hope > this is the right way to describe it). > > > > How does it compare to NAC and will it interfere with the Cottage > Cheese/Flaxseed mixture I am taking? It seems to be quite pricey, > especially with the currency conversion at present. However I have a > well-meaning friend trying to talk me around to taking it. > > > > Blessings, Eva. > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan@> wrote: > > Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan@> > > Re: Re: update and request for thoughts and > comments > > oleander soup > > Thursday, January 22, 2009, 8:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Steve, > > I think it should have said 'Vitamin C improves the > > effectiveness of the NAC'. That is what my bottle of NAC says. I > have not > > seen anything about Vitamin C depletion yet. Maybe there is some > research in > > this area that I am not aware of. However, NAC is an antioxidant by > itself so I > > cannot see how it would deplete the Vit C. > > Marc Swanepoel > > > > > > - > > > > Steve Cox > > > > oleander soup > > > > Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:17 > > PM > > Re: Re: update > > and request for thoughts and comments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the bottle of NAC, it recommends increasing vit C > > consumtion, because NAC could cause C depletion. > > > > --- On Thu, > > 1/22/09, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan (AT) global (DOT) co.za> > > wrote: > > > > Marc > > Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan (AT) global (DOT) co.za> > > Subject: > > Re: Re: update and request for thoughts and > > comments > > oleander soup > > Date: > > Thursday, January 22, 2009, 2:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read comments to the effect that > > long term use of NAC may deplete Zinc and Copper levels in > the body > > but I cannot see any logical reason why this should happen > and I have > > not seen any first hand research confirming this. See > http://www.tastefor life.com/ > > content/default. asp?artid= 1630 & title=NAC_Supports_ > Detox_and_ > > More > > Marc Swanepoel > > > > - > > jrrjim > > oleander soup > > Thursday, January 22, > > 2009 6:39 PM > > Re: > > update and request for thoughts and comments > > > > > > > > I read somewhere that there was some danger in taking > NAC long > > term. > > I read that a safer alternative is to take whey isolate > > and to make > > sure that your other glutathione precursors are > > adequate. But I > > think this info came from a website pushing a > > specific brand of whey > > isolate. What is your take? > > > > --- In > > oleander soup, " Marc Swanepoel - > > PhD " > > <marcswan@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > Carl, > > > I'm glad to hear your PSA has stabilized again. > > However, both the > > Casodex and Lupron affect the glutathione > > levels in your cells. This, > > in the long term, will change the > > TH1 to TH2 ratio of CD4 cells in > > your body with a gradual over > > preponderance of TH2 cells. As TH1 > > immune cells are responsible > > for intracellular protection, this can > > eventually lead to fungal > > infections that do not respond to > > antibiotics. Whether you > > decide to continue taking the Casodex/Lupron > > or not, it is VERY > > important to take between 3 and 10 gm of N-Acetyl > > Cysteine (NAC) > > per day to assist the body in synthesizing its own > > glutathione. > > All cancer patients already have a shortage of > > glutathione in > > their bodies and it is thus important not to aggravate > > the > > situation. > > > Regards, > > > Marc Swanepoel > > > > > > > > - > > > Carl Fritch > > > To: > > oleander soup > > > Sent: > > Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:57 PM > > > > > update and request for thoughts and > > comments > > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may remember by PSA jumped from 30 to 630 in > > 3 > > months > > > last Dec. > > > > > > I was taking about 4 > > OPC pills a day for some of that time trying > > to > > > work up > > to 6 a day. > > > > > > I started taking the Casodex again > > because, even though I don't > > want > > > to take it, it seems > > to be the only thing that has helped in the > > past. > > > > > > > > I was able to get up to 6 OPC pills a day and did 1 liver > > > > cleanse. I > > > also started on a mostly vegetarian diet. > > > > > > > > My PSA as of Tuesday was 623. > > > > > > The > > good news is it stopped getting worse and even went down > > > > slightly. > > > The bad news is I can't credit OPC with that > > because I started > > taking > > > the Casodex again and I am on > > Lupron. > > > > > > The odd thing for me is I started feeling > > better almost the day I > > got > > > my dosage of OPC up to 6 > > pills a day. I also have no pain. I was > > > starting to have > > some bone pain back in December. > > > > > > This seems odd to > > me that I would feel significantly better and > > yet > > > have > > marginal improvement in my numbers. > > > > > > Any thoughts or > > comments? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > Carl > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Hey Jay. Nice to see you are still here, and thanks for the drpasswater.com site, full of good info. Hugs Mary - Jay oleander soup Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:52 AM Re: How good is Max-GXL? Hi all,I am still here so far:). Anyway when it comes to how good somethingis or is not, I think we have to remember "Biochemical Individuality".I think it was Richard Passwater, PHD, that coined that phrase back in1956. Here is his website for any interested:http://www.drpasswater.com/. He was one of the pioneers in megavitamintherapy. As far as the different protocols go, wouldn't it best not tomix elements from each. I believe we have to develop patience andfaith in all things. Jayoleander soup , "Sharon" <energy_now wrote:>> I have tried the GXL and had no results. Neither did anyone I gave it> too. I bought a bunch of boxes so I could really give it a fair shot.> Now, this is not to say it won't do something for you since the> science looks quite sound. All the people I tried it on were either> family or clients and they had already been detoxified of metals. In> a toxic person, it would probably work better. I really just wanted> to see if more glutathione would be produced and my theory is that> when a person's body is clean that they are already producing enough.> > What I don't like about Max is that if you stop taking it the symptoms> will come back. I know a lot of people who use it, in my women's club> and also a few other friends and athletes.> > This is just my two cents as a nutritional counselor. I know docs who> rave about it though and also a few people who have done well on it. > I frequent every health and women's show that comes around and have> traveled to many out of country ones too and am surprised that I have> yet to see in person even ONE person promoting Max who looks healthy!> If it's so good, shouldn't they be glowing with health, be slim, have> good skin and hair? That's not what I've seen! Kind of like all the> people promoting weight loss products but they're obese themselves. > > Sharon Hoehner> www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen > > > oleander soup , Eva Klein-Otis <eklein.otis@>> wrote:> >> > Hi Everyone,> > > > I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Max-GXL is. Here in> Australia it is touted as the best precursor to glutathione. (Hope> this is the right way to describe it).> > > > How does it compare to NAC and will it interfere with the Cottage> Cheese/Flaxseed mixture I am taking? It seems to be quite pricey,> especially with the currency conversion at present. However I have a> well-meaning friend trying to talk me around to taking it.> > > > Blessings, Eva.> > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/22/09, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan@> wrote:> > Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan@>> > Re: Re: update and request for thoughts and> comments> > oleander soup > > Thursday, January 22, 2009, 8:01 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Steve,> > I think it should have said 'Vitamin C improves the > > effectiveness of the NAC'. That is what my bottle of NAC says. I> have not > > seen anything about Vitamin C depletion yet. Maybe there is some> research in > > this area that I am not aware of. However, NAC is an antioxidant by> itself so I > > cannot see how it would deplete the Vit C.> > Marc Swanepoel> > > > > > - > > > > Steve Cox > > > > oleander soup > > > > Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:17 > > PM> > Re: Re: update > > and request for thoughts and comments> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the bottle of NAC, it recommends increasing vit C > > consumtion, because NAC could cause C depletion.> > > > --- On Thu, > > 1/22/09, Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan (AT) global (DOT) co.za> > > wrote:> > > > Marc > > Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan (AT) global (DOT) co.za>> > > > Re: Re: update and request for thoughts and > > comments> > oleander soup> > > > Thursday, January 22, 2009, 2:01 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > I have read comments to the effect that > > long term use of NAC may deplete Zinc and Copper levels in> the body > > but I cannot see any logical reason why this should happen> and I have > > not seen any first hand research confirming this. See> http://www.tastefor life.com/ > > content/default. asp?artid= 1630 & title=NAC_Supports_> Detox_and_ > > More> > Marc Swanepoel> > > > - > > jrrjim > > oleander soup > > Thursday, January 22, > > 2009 6:39 PM> > Re: > > update and request for thoughts and comments> > > > > > > > I read somewhere that there was some danger in taking> NAC long > > term. > > I read that a safer alternative is to take whey isolate > > and to make > > sure that your other glutathione precursors are > > adequate. But I > > think this info came from a website pushing a > > specific brand of whey > > isolate. What is your take?> > > > > > oleander soup, "Marc Swanepoel - > > PhD" > > <marcswan@ .> wrote:> > >> > > Hi > > Carl,> > > I'm glad to hear your PSA has stabilized again. > > However, both the > > Casodex and Lupron affect the glutathione > > levels in your cells. This, > > in the long term, will change the > > TH1 to TH2 ratio of CD4 cells in > > your body with a gradual over > > preponderance of TH2 cells. As TH1 > > immune cells are responsible > > for intracellular protection, this can > > eventually lead to fungal > > infections that do not respond to > > antibiotics. Whether you > > decide to continue taking the Casodex/Lupron > > or not, it is VERY > > important to take between 3 and 10 gm of N-Acetyl > > Cysteine (NAC) > > per day to assist the body in synthesizing its own > > glutathione. > > All cancer patients already have a shortage of > > glutathione in > > their bodies and it is thus important not to aggravate > > the > > situation. > > > Regards,> > > Marc Swanepoel> > > > > > > > - > > > Carl Fritch > > > > > oleander soup > > > > > Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:57 PM> > > > > update and request for thoughts and > > comments> > > > > > > > > > > As some of you may remember by PSA jumped from 30 to 630 in > > 3 > > months> > > last Dec.> > > > > > I was taking about 4 > > OPC pills a day for some of that time trying > > to> > > work up > > to 6 a day.> > > > > > I started taking the Casodex again > > because, even though I don't > > want> > > to take it, it seems > > to be the only thing that has helped in the > > past.> > > > > > > > I was able to get up to 6 OPC pills a day and did 1 liver > > > > cleanse. I> > > also started on a mostly vegetarian diet. > > > > > > > > My PSA as of Tuesday was 623.> > > > > > The > > good news is it stopped getting worse and even went down > > > > slightly.> > > The bad news is I can't credit OPC with that > > because I started > > taking> > > the Casodex again and I am on > > Lupron.> > > > > > The odd thing for me is I started feeling > > better almost the day I > > got> > > my dosage of OPC up to 6 > > pills a day. I also have no pain. I was> > > starting to have > > some bone pain back in December.> > > > > > This seems odd to > > me that I would feel significantly better and > > yet> > > have > > marginal improvement in my numbers.> > > > > > Any thoughts or > > comments?> > > > > > Thanks in advance,> > > > > Carl> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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