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Be very careful where your bee pollen comes from! China is using pesticides banned in the USA and many other countries, exporting honey and pollen to countries that permit it, and then transshipping to countries which don't ban the pesticide. Sorry, but I don't recall the name of the chemical, just that it's very carcinogenic.

In fact, unless it's local, organic, etc I'd be cautious. All those wonderful things about pollen were true years ago, are they still? Rhoda

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Hi Rhoda,Yes, all those wonderful things that were true about bee pollen years ago are still true now. However, as with everything else these days, you must know your source. As with raw honey, getting your bee pollen from a local source is best. And make sure that it is organic. Check your local Farmer's Markets and health food stores. Again, make sure that it is local and organic. However, you should not ingest bee pollen if you are allergic to bees.Here are some bee pollen benefits:It contains all the nutrients that you need to live.It has high concentrations of B Complex and also contains Vitamins A, C, D, and E.It acts as a natural energizer for your body.It is effective in lowering cholesterol.Improves your metabolism.Reduces cravings for food.Research has indicated that bee pollen is instrumental inRelieving PMSPreventing prostate problemsand......... last but not least..........It slows down the aging process.Okay....... On my way to get some!Hugs,oleander soup , "Rhoda Mead" <hummingbird541 wrote:>> Be very careful where your bee pollen comes from! China is using pesticides> banned in the USA and many other countries, exporting honey and pollen to> countries that permit it, and then transshipping to countries which don't> ban the pesticide. Sorry, but I don't recall the name of the chemical, just> that it's very carcinogenic.> > In fact, unless it's local, organic, etc I'd be cautious. All those> wonderful things about pollen were true years ago, are they still? Rhoda>

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Rhoda.

 

We have the same problem here in Australia by inports, by i buy mine from an owner bee keeper so no problems there.

 

Hugs Mary

 

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Rhoda Mead

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:20 AM

Bee Pollen Caution

 

 

Be very careful where your bee pollen comes from! China is using pesticides banned in the USA and many other countries, exporting honey and pollen to countries that permit it, and then transshipping to countries which don't ban the pesticide. Sorry, but I don't recall the name of the chemical, just that it's very carcinogenic.In fact, unless it's local, organic, etc I'd be cautious. All those wonderful things about pollen were true years ago, are they still? Rhoda

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This is why even US harvested honey mostly don't say organic. Their labels

would say unadulterated raw natural honey. An honest vendor wouldn't say that

they are organic, because they don't know. The bees fly far for their food and

may be feasting on some pesticide ladened plants/flowers/pollen.

 

Melly

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Can bees pollinate plants with pesticide without being poisoned themselves? - Steve-oleander soup <oleander soup >oleander soup <oleander soup >Mon Jan 19 19:20:36 2009 Re:Bee Pollen CautionThis is why even US harvested honey mostly don't say organic. Their labels would say unadulterated raw natural honey. An honest vendor wouldn't say that they are organic, because they don't know. The bees fly far for their food and may be feasting on some pesticide ladened plants/flowers/pollen.Melly

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Melly.

 

From what i read, it said that bee will not fead on pesticide plant's, which is fantastic if it's true.

 

Hugs Mary

 

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Melly Bag

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Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:20 PM

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This is why even US harvested honey mostly don't say organic. Their labels would say unadulterated raw natural honey. An honest vendor wouldn't say that they are organic, because they don't know. The bees fly far for their food and may be feasting on some pesticide ladened plants/flowers/pollen.Melly

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They can fly 3 miles for food. They will stick by a closer good flow, but can range for 3 miles.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

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The bees fly far for their food and may be feasting on some pesticide ladened plants/flowers/pollen.

 

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Maybe someone has already mentioned it but the caution I've seen regarding bee pollen is if you have plant allergies you have no way of knowing what plant pollens are in bee pollen. I have also read that some people have used bee pollen to overcome plant allergies. - Steve-oleander soup <oleander soup >oleander soup <oleander soup >Mon Jan 19 20:24:23 2009Re: Re:Bee Pollen CautionThey can fly 3 miles for food. They will stick by a closer good flow, but can range for 3 miles.Samala,Renee----The bees fly far for their food and may be feasting on some pesticide ladened plants/flowers/pollen.

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From my experience, bee pollen, as well as a combination of raw apple cider vinegar and raw honey, will indeed get rid of all allergies.oleander soup , "Norton, Steve" <stephen.norton wrote:>> Maybe someone has already mentioned it but the caution I've seen regarding bee pollen is if you have plant allergies you have no way of knowing what plant pollens are in bee pollen. I have also read that some people have used bee pollen to overcome plant allergies. > - Steve

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I've never said anything here but want to say something now so that no one

makes the mistake I made.

 

There is no such thing as " bee pollen " ; it's pollen, period. The bees carry

plant pollen on their legs back to the hive. Commercial beekeepers who sell

bee pollen put screens at the hive entrance to force pollen to fall off the

bee's legs.

 

The problem you as a purchaser have is that you cannot know the source of

your bee pollen unless you can research that it comes from non-gmo and

non-poisoned plants or crops. If you can find some that is truly organic

then you can bet it's going to be expensive. I personally do not know of any

such source, but that's not saying it's not out there.

 

Several years ago I bought some bee pollen from a well known internet

source. I took some of it late one day and that night I woke up in toxic

shock; I very nearly stopped breathing and was just about to wake my wife to

call an ambulance or take me to the ER, but fortunately it eased and was

over with quickly. I never even woke her.

 

The next day I took a good hard look at and smell of that pollen; it was

corn pollen. At that time I had already established that I had a serious

corn allergy. I knew right then what had happened- that pollen was from one

of those large commercial bee outfits that move their bees around on trucks

to pollinate large monoculture crops. I immediately threw the stuff out.

 

If you can get honest to goodness organic, non-monoculture bee pollen then

that may be fine. Personally I prefer to buy small farm/hobbyist unheated

raw honey with the comb and chew the comb. It will do everything that honey

is supposed to do without spending for the isolated products and you'll be

supporting small scale local agriculture.

 

Using honey for allergies most definitely does work but be prepared for the

misery it can induce while it works.

 

The information about honey and all of it's miracles was one of the first

things that disappeared from the net back in the early 00's when the FTC

cracked down. I literally watched it disappear. Now it's very hard to find

out who is selling the good stuff because so many went out of business or

had to drastically alter their websites.

 

Daddybob

 

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I recently saw a documentary about bees dying off in hives/swarms

(WHAT THE HECK DO YOU CALL A COMMUNITY OF BEES?) and it confirmed it

was to do with agriculture using seed that were coated with certain

pesticides (which were proven to be ineffective). The chemicals they

were treated with are known to be harmful and end up in the air

around the fields. 90% of the dead bees that were examined showed

traces of these chemicals.

 

Not sure if this meant that all bees who came in to contact with the

pesticides died though.

 

The programme went on to go into statistics on the use of chemicals

in agriculture and how it was just to do with money. Then it talked

about small farmers creating their own little revolution and going

back to traditional methods and actually managing to make a decent

living by selling direct to an organic pasta making company for

example. It was a horrifying documentary with a glimmer of hope at

the end. The problem is that so many people ignore the facts - some

because they do not have access to the knowledge and others because

it is easier to ignore and others simply because . As awareness

increases so will the dissent against the chemical world. This

documentary was actually on a national channel at prime time!!!

 

Nelly

 

 

oleander soup , " Maria Stathopoulos "

<mary1kon wrote:

>

> Melly.

>

> From what i read, it said that bee will not fead on pesticide

plant's, which is fantastic if it's true.

>

> Hugs Mary

> -

> Melly Bag

> oleander soup

> Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:20 PM

> Re:Bee Pollen Caution

>

>

> This is why even US harvested honey mostly don't say organic.

Their labels would say unadulterated raw natural honey. An honest

vendor wouldn't say that they are organic, because they don't know.

The bees fly far for their food and may be feasting on some pesticide

ladened plants/flowers/pollen.

>

> Melly

>

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Hey Bob. The best thing anyone can do is look around their town or the neighboring town and find a bee club. Or, if there are no bee clubs in your area, call your local county agent and ask if there's a bee keeper around--they usually know because they'll call the local bee keeper when they find a swarm.

 

The hobby bee keepers will usually have some extra honey to sell. It's always best to not only support your local businesses, but eating local honey from local plants have the most anti-allergy benefit.

 

It's very difficult to say for sure that any honey or pollen is totally organic, unless the hives have been placed in a private field that is organic, and the hives are not close to the border where the next farm over may use pesticides. Because bees can range 3 miles to find food. If there's enough food close by they'll stay close to the hives, but there's no guarantee.

 

Samala,

Renee--who is learning to keep bees! One hive surviving, out of 3.

 

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There is no such thing as "bee pollen"; it's pollen, period. The bees carry

plant pollen on their legs back to the hive. Commercial beekeepers who sell

bee pollen put screens at the hive entrance to force pollen to fall off the

bee's legs.

 

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Hi all: Since my husband and I were beekeepers for three years,

(that is until they all died from Colony Collapse Disorder), I may

be able to comment on some of these questions.

 

Yes, a bee will definately pollinate flowers which have been sprayed

w/ chemicals, but they probably won't die directly from it-- however

they could carry traces of it back to the hive. W/ hundreds of

thousands of bees per hive bringing small amts of chemicals back,

the honey and all other bee products could very well be

contaminated. At the very least, some chemical residue will be

present.

 

Even more disturbing is this: the vast, vast majority of beekeepers

use chemicals DIRECTLY ON THE BEES IN THE HIVE, in order to keep the

bees free of various bee diseases. For instance, antibiotics for

foul brood, " Maverick " and Formic Acid for mites, plus many others

for various other bee diseases. Some beekeepers rotate various

chemicals from year to year bc they stop working. And some

beekeepers will even concoct their own chemicals. These chemicals

are sprinkled inside the hive and then it goes into everything

(honey, pollen, royal jelly, etc).

 

(I feel these vast amts of chemicals used on the bees themselves,

the pesticides and herbicides they encounter in pollinating, plus

various other stresses on the bees from EMF rays, and also moving

the hives around from place to place to pollinate-- all contribute

to CCD.)

 

Regarding " organic " bee products, some of our bees were used to

pollinate organic orchards, but as was mentioned, bees can fly up to

3 miles for food. So even though bees tend to stay close to home,

the only way any honey can truly be labeled " organic " is if the

beehive is in the center of an organic orchard w/ a HUGE NET around

it to keep them in. (like that is possible).

 

In addition, there are a few " organic beekeepers " , who do not use

chemicals on their hives. And, if they have an isolated organic

source of food for the bees, the honey could then truthfully be

labeled as organic.

 

So, bottom line, if it's possible to locate an organic beekeeper or

if there are local beekeepers you could talk to to discuss their use

of chemicals, that would be the best way to go. In our 3 yrs as

beekeepers, I never ran across one.

 

Again, in my opinion, the exposure to chemicals the bees may get

pollinating is not the major source of contamination of bee

products --the major source is the chemicals used by the beekeepers

themselves. " Modern beekeeping " is BIG business and of course all

these chemicals are legal. (don't we just love the FDA!) Now I

regret that we were uneducated about the seriousness of chemicals.

I honestly believe our exposure to them contributed to my husband's

lymphoma.

 

All this is just one more concern in this chemical laden world...

 

Thanks, Marcia

 

 

 

 

 

-- In oleander soup , " Maria Stathopoulos "

<mary1kon wrote:

>

> Melly.

>

> From what i read, it said that bee will not fead on pesticide

plant's, which is fantastic if it's true.

>

> Hugs Mary

> -

> Melly Bag

> oleander soup

> Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:20 PM

> Re:Bee Pollen Caution

>

>

> This is why even US harvested honey mostly don't say organic.

Their labels would say unadulterated raw natural honey. An honest

vendor wouldn't say that they are organic, because they don't know.

The bees fly far for their food and may be feasting on some

pesticide ladened plants/flowers/pollen.

>

> Melly

>

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Nelly,

 

Monsanto is a company inspired by and run by nazis. They are

intentionally poisoning seeds, crops, bees, and us. A truly satanic

organization if there ever was one.

 

Bob

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" N. Cave " <nellycave

<oleander soup >

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:21 PM

Re:Bee Pollen Caution

 

 

>I recently saw a documentary about bees dying off in hives/swarms

> (WHAT THE HECK DO YOU CALL A COMMUNITY OF BEES?) and it confirmed it

> was to do with agriculture using seed that were coated with certain

> pesticides (which were proven to be ineffective). The chemicals they

> were treated with are known to be harmful and end up in the air

> around the fields. 90% of the dead bees that were examined showed

> traces of these chemicals.

>

> Not sure if this meant that all bees who came in to contact with the

> pesticides died though.

>

> The programme went on to go into statistics on the use of chemicals

> in agriculture and how it was just to do with money. Then it talked

> about small farmers creating their own little revolution and going

> back to traditional methods and actually managing to make a decent

> living by selling direct to an organic pasta making company for

> example. It was a horrifying documentary with a glimmer of hope at

> the end. The problem is that so many people ignore the facts - some

> because they do not have access to the knowledge and others because

> it is easier to ignore and others simply because . As awareness

> increases so will the dissent against the chemical world. This

> documentary was actually on a national channel at prime time!!!

>

> Nelly

>

>

> oleander soup , " Maria Stathopoulos "

> <mary1kon wrote:

>>

>> Melly.

>>

>> From what i read, it said that bee will not fead on pesticide

> plant's, which is fantastic if it's true.

>>

>> Hugs Mary

>> -

>> Melly Bag

>> oleander soup

>> Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:20 PM

>> Re:Bee Pollen Caution

>>

>>

>> This is why even US harvested honey mostly don't say organic.

> Their labels would say unadulterated raw natural honey. An honest

> vendor wouldn't say that they are organic, because they don't know.

> The bees fly far for their food and may be feasting on some pesticide

> ladened plants/flowers/pollen.

>>

>> Melly

>>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

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Nelly.

 

Bees die every day because of pesticides in the air, you see the planes spray the crops, and for miles you see nothing but a white cloud hanging in the air for hours.

I use to have thousants of bees in my garden and now we only see couple hundreds if no less, the bees dont have to feed on the plants to get sick and die, the area they travel is full of poisons and as they breath in the poison kills them.

If we the consumers dont seport the traditional bee keepers, we dig our own grave and is a shame for our generation, and a disaster for our children and granchildren, when i talk with friends and say that i only buy organic pollen or honey from bee keepers, they say nothing will save me or them from harm.

Because every thing has been poisoned any way, to that attitude what do you say?

Nothing, you do what you have to do, and that's that.

P.S. Nelly the community of bees is called swarm of bees.

 

Hugs Mary

 

 

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N. Cave

oleander soup

Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:21 AM

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I recently saw a documentary about bees dying off in hives/swarms (WHAT THE HECK DO YOU CALL A COMMUNITY OF BEES?) and it confirmed it was to do with agriculture using seed that were coated with certain pesticides (which were proven to be ineffective). The chemicals they were treated with are known to be harmful and end up in the air around the fields. 90% of the dead bees that were examined showed traces of these chemicals.Not sure if this meant that all bees who came in to contact with the pesticides died though.The programme went on to go into statistics on the use of chemicals in agriculture and how it was just to do with money. Then it talked about small farmers creating their own little revolution and going back to traditional methods and actually managing to make a decent living by selling direct to an organic pasta making company for example. It was a horrifying documentary with a glimmer of hope at the end. The problem is that so many people ignore the facts - some because they do not have access to the knowledge and others because it is easier to ignore and others simply because . As awareness increases so will the dissent against the chemical world. This documentary was actually on a national channel at prime time!!!Nellyoleander soup , "Maria Stathopoulos" <mary1kon wrote:>> Melly.> > From what i read, it said that bee will not fead on pesticide plant's, which is fantastic if it's true.> > Hugs Mary> - > Melly Bag > oleander soup > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:20 PM> Re:Bee Pollen Caution> > > This is why even US harvested honey mostly don't say organic. Their labels would say unadulterated raw natural honey. An honest vendor wouldn't say that they are organic, because they don't know. The bees fly far for their food and may be feasting on some pesticide ladened plants/flowers/pollen.> > Melly>

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Marcia.

 

You just kill my inosents, who and what can we believe ? i like to trust my bee keeper because it suites me fine, otherwise i'l be without honey, pollen or what ever.

But thank for the information and the worning.

I think i'l have to ask some hard questions, next time i go to buy stuff.

 

Regards Mary

 

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sunlovernv

oleander soup

Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:21 PM

Re:Bee Pollen Caution

 

 

Hi all: Since my husband and I were beekeepers for three years, (that is until they all died from Colony Collapse Disorder), I may be able to comment on some of these questions.Yes, a bee will definately pollinate flowers which have been sprayed w/ chemicals, but they probably won't die directly from it-- however they could carry traces of it back to the hive. W/ hundreds of thousands of bees per hive bringing small amts of chemicals back, the honey and all other bee products could very well be contaminated. At the very least, some chemical residue will be present.Even more disturbing is this: the vast, vast majority of beekeepers use chemicals DIRECTLY ON THE BEES IN THE HIVE, in order to keep the bees free of various bee diseases. For instance, antibiotics for foul brood, "Maverick" and Formic Acid for mites, plus many others for various other bee diseases. Some beekeepers rotate various chemicals from year to year bc they stop working. And some beekeepers will even concoct their own chemicals. These chemicals are sprinkled inside the hive and then it goes into everything (honey, pollen, royal jelly, etc). (I feel these vast amts of chemicals used on the bees themselves, the pesticides and herbicides they encounter in pollinating, plus various other stresses on the bees from EMF rays, and also moving the hives around from place to place to pollinate-- all contribute to CCD.)Regarding "organic" bee products, some of our bees were used to pollinate organic orchards, but as was mentioned, bees can fly up to 3 miles for food. So even though bees tend to stay close to home, the only way any honey can truly be labeled "organic" is if the beehive is in the center of an organic orchard w/ a HUGE NET around it to keep them in. (like that is possible). In addition, there are a few "organic beekeepers", who do not use chemicals on their hives. And, if they have an isolated organic source of food for the bees, the honey could then truthfully be labeled as organic. So, bottom line, if it's possible to locate an organic beekeeper or if there are local beekeepers you could talk to to discuss their use of chemicals, that would be the best way to go. In our 3 yrs as beekeepers, I never ran across one. Again, in my opinion, the exposure to chemicals the bees may get pollinating is not the major source of contamination of bee products --the major source is the chemicals used by the beekeepers themselves. "Modern beekeeping" is BIG business and of course all these chemicals are legal. (don't we just love the FDA!) Now I regret that we were uneducated about the seriousness of chemicals. I honestly believe our exposure to them contributed to my husband's lymphoma. All this is just one more concern in this chemical laden world...Thanks, Marcia -- In oleander soup , "Maria Stathopoulos" <mary1kon wrote:>> Melly.> > From what i read, it said that bee will not fead on pesticide plant's, which is fantastic if it's true.> > Hugs Mary> - > Melly Bag > oleander soup > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:20 PM> Re:Bee Pollen Caution> > > This is why even US harvested honey mostly don't say organic. Their labels would say unadulterated raw natural honey. An honest vendor wouldn't say that they are organic, because they don't know. The bees fly far for their food and may be feasting on some pesticide ladened plants/flowers/pollen.> > Melly>

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More and more hobby bee keepers are aware of the danger of chemicals to their bees. They have found that powdered sugar sprinkled liberally in the hive stops mites--I think it's mites, rather than the traditional chemicals. We are using DE around the hives as ant control. Hobby beekeepers are trying as best they can. Of course, large commercial keepers usually don't bother with these, as it's easier to just dump the chemicals.

 

Which is why it is important to look for local keepers. As Marcie points out--find a local bee keeper and talk to them.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

----

Hi all: Since my husband and I were beekeepers for three years,

(that is until they all died from Colony Collapse Disorder), I may

be able to comment on some of these questions.

 

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Aren't they the ones that make Roundup Bob?

Gosh when I was little raised in Southern California we went to Disneyland about three times a year, I thought Monsanto was the greatest...they had incredible rides in Tommorowland. What a shame they amounted to after bringing such joy to us kids back then...

 

Tammatha

 

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Bob Banever

oleander soup

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:46 PM

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Nelly,Monsanto is a company inspired by and run by nazis. They are intentionally poisoning seeds, crops, bees, and us. A truly satanic organization if there ever was one.Bob- "N. Cave" <nellycave ><oleander soup >Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:21 PM Re:Bee Pollen Caution>I recently saw a documentary about bees dying off in hives/swarms> (WHAT THE HECK DO YOU CALL A COMMUNITY OF BEES?) and it confirmed it> was to do with agriculture using seed that were coated with certain> pesticides (which were proven to be ineffective). The chemicals they> were treated with are known to be harmful and end up in the air> around the fields. 90% of the dead bees that were examined showed> traces of these chemicals.>> Not sure if this meant that all bees who came in to contact with the> pesticides died though.>> The programme went on to go into statistics on the use of chemicals> in agriculture and how it was just to do with money. Then it talked> about small farmers creating their own little revolution and going> back to traditional methods and actually managing to make a decent> living by selling direct to an organic pasta making company for> example. It was a horrifying documentary with a glimmer of hope at> the end. The problem is that so many people ignore the facts - some> because they do not have access to the knowledge and others because> it is easier to ignore and others simply because . As awareness> increases so will the dissent against the chemical world. This> documentary was actually on a national channel at prime time!!!>> Nelly>>> oleander soup , "Maria Stathopoulos"> <mary1kon wrote:>>>> Melly.>>>> From what i read, it said that bee will not fead on pesticide> plant's, which is fantastic if it's true.>>>> Hugs Mary>> - >> Melly Bag>> oleander soup >> Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:20 PM>> Re:Bee Pollen Caution>>>>>> This is why even US harvested honey mostly don't say organic.> Their labels would say unadulterated raw natural honey. An honest> vendor wouldn't say that they are organic, because they don't know.> The bees fly far for their food and may be feasting on some pesticide> ladened plants/flowers/pollen.>>>> Melly>>>>>> --->>

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I could not agree more. There must be a special place in Hades reserved for the people at the very top of Monsanto and Merck. Most people do not have any idea how truly evil they are.

oleander soup , "Bob Banever" <bbanever wrote:>> Nelly,> > Monsanto is a company inspired by and run by nazis. They are > intentionally poisoning seeds, crops, bees, and us. A truly satanic > organization if there ever was one.> > Bob

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Melly,

 

Maybe nothing, but then again it might die too.

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Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:58 PM

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> What happens if the bee feasted on a genetically modified plant?

>

> Melly

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