Tony's Protocol for the budget conscious.

[Guest guest]

Jay -

I think your figures are at the very high end of the scale to begin with and I do not think you calculated the 15% discount for items from Utopia Silver, nor did you figure making your own oleander and colloidal silver to keep costs down - though I know that the costs can add up.

First of all, no one is saying that you have to do EVERYTHING on the protocol, just that you do as much as possible and leave out nothing essential. Even at your high end figure it is but a trifle compared to mainsteam treatment where one shot of chemo can cost thousands. When your very life is at stake, ultimately it becomes a matter of what you cannot afford to do in my very strong opinion.

I certainly would not just do the flushes and bet my life on it - or on any single item, though if I really had to pick one it would be oleander, and you can make your own "oleander soup" for pennies for starters - even though I recommend the OPC highly. A great many people in South Africa have taken only the Sutherlandia OPC supplement, done the liver flushes and followed some healthy advice on diet and lifestyle and the success has been well over 90% for a broad range of cancers including pretty late stage ones and instances where mainstream treatments have failed.

As I said, you don't have to do the entire protocol to be successful - just as much as you can and you surely should follow the advice for diet (especially including the flaxseed and cottage cheese part of the Budwig diet), lifestyle, mild to moderate exercise, elimination of stress, plenty of sunshine and all the other things you can do that cost little of nothing.

As I said, oleander is a key. So is adequate vitamins and minerals including trace minerals and plenty of iodine and selenium. Curcumin, taken in large amounts (3000 mg) with biopirene or ground black pepper, can be a powerful, powerful cancer fighter and you can get it right off off the shelf at the grocers as a common spice.

The liver is also a key. The items needed to cleanse the liver and then to protect and regenerate is are not that expensive. In addition to the turmeric/curcumin, coconut oil, beetroot juice and other items for the liver that will help keep the bile ducts open so that the toxins released from the dying cancer cells can be eliminated and so the liver can be protected and regenerated. Milk thistle is an absolute must!

I believe that iodine with selenium is very important and Colloidal Silver is another item I would not want to do without. Like the oleander, you can make your own for mere pennies for the sake of economy - and with our group discount your initial investment for a really good no-frills generator including timer and tester is less than $100.

Cayenne pepper tincture is also a very inexpensive and powerful addition. Kelly Eidom's plan of using crushed garlic, healthy oil an habanero peppers on healthy bread can be added in for a pittance.

Grapeseed extract is also very potent and pretty inexpensive.

I do not mean to suggest to anyone that they should leave off other items if they do not have to, because I want to give them every extra edge and percentage of success as possible. But when it comes to a pinch, you can indeed put together a very, very effective plan for beating cancer based on the protocol I suggest.

All the best,

oleander soup , "Jay" <jplas9999 wrote:>> ,> > I added up the cost of the protocol and came to about $675.00. That> also includes the stuff in the left column. Of course some products> are for 3 mos. I can't afford that, but the 5 day liver flush I can do.> > Jay>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Tony--it's vital for someone to do as many steps in your protocol as possible. And many of the items can definitely be made or purchased cheaply.

 

But I constantly hear people say "what is your health worth" and how small the price of alternative products are compared to main stream chemo/radiation. The problem with that thinking, though--is that most people do not have the extra money to buy all the alternative products recommended--not just by you, but by most people. We live on a fixed income, and most of it goes to monthly type bills. We have little that is discretionary. Even taking some money out of the food budget (about the only flexible part) doesn't cover all that I would like to buy. I pick and choose and actually we are fine and healthy. But for many that are truly ill, most products that are recommended (not particularly by you but by lots of different protocols) ARE expensive, and so hard to come up with the money for. Comparing these costs with the costs of chemo/radiation is not fair--though everyone does it. It's not fair because the cost of chemo/radiation does not come out of the person's pocket. The insurance companies pay for this. If a person had to pay for these treatments out of their own pockets we'd actually have less cancer as a whole than we do, because no one could afford to pay for them! They ARE so much more expensive than healthy products and protocols. The reason people take chemo/radiation (besides this being the only alternatives their doctors give them after surgery) is because someone else pays for it.

 

So I don't think this comparison is at all fair. It only serves to make people feel bad, and sometimes angry--thinking, "I have no choice, my insurance company won't pay for my blue green algae. I don't WANT chemo, but it's all they will pay for".

 

I'm just so grateful for things as cheap and powerful as oleander, CS and herbs. Sometimes it's all a person can afford, and sometimes, fortunately, all that is needed. Juggling budgets can accomplish a lot, but sometimes cannot cover all that we'd like.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

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Even at your high end figure it is but a trifle compared to mainsteam treatment where one shot of chemo can cost thousands.

[Guest guest]

"I constantly hear people say "what is your health worth""..............

 

I agree with you.Renee. When I hear those kinds of remarks, I react similarly to when I hear pronouncements like "you have 3 months to live". On some budgets (more and more these days) remarks like that can feel like a death sentence. And the cost comparisons don't apply. If I knuckled under every I heard those kinds of remarks, I'd be asking Congress for a $700 billion bail out. Hmmm.....Now that I think of it, I think I deserve one already.

 

Naomi

 

 

 

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Gaiacita

oleander soup

Friday, January 16, 2009 6:43 AM

Re: Tony's Protocol for the budget conscious.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you Tony--it's vital for someone to do as many steps in your protocol as possible. And many of the items can definitely be made or purchased cheaply.

 

But I constantly hear people say "what is your health worth" and how small the price of alternative products are compared to main stream chemo/radiation. The problem with that thinking, though--is that most people do not have the extra money to buy all the alternative products recommended--not just by you, but by most people. We live on a fixed income, and most of it goes to monthly type bills. We have little that is discretionary. Even taking some money out of the food budget (about the only flexible part) doesn't cover all that I would like to buy. I pick and choose and actually we are fine and healthy. But for many that are truly ill, most products that are recommended (not particularly by you but by lots of different protocols) ARE expensive, and so hard to come up with the money for. Comparing these costs with the costs of chemo/radiation is not fair--though everyone does it. It's not fair because the cost of chemo/radiation does not come out of the person's pocket. The insurance companies pay for this. If a person had to pay for these treatments out of their own pockets we'd actually have less cancer as a whole than we do, because no one could afford to pay for them! They ARE so much more expensive than healthy products and protocols. The reason people take chemo/radiation (besides this being the only alternatives their doctors give them after surgery) is because someone else pays for it.

 

So I don't think this comparison is at all fair. It only serves to make people feel bad, and sometimes angry--thinking, "I have no choice, my insurance company won't pay for my blue green algae. I don't WANT chemo, but it's all they will pay for".

 

I'm just so grateful for things as cheap and powerful as oleander, CS and herbs. Sometimes it's all a person can afford, and sometimes, fortunately, all that is needed. Juggling budgets can accomplish a lot, but sometimes cannot cover all that we'd like.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

Plus

 

 

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Even at your high end figure it is but a trifle compared to mainsteam treatment where one shot of chemo can cost thousands.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I would have to say that everyone who has replied to this topic is

correct. The 15% discount helps a great deal. The one thing missing is

the fact that my insurance won't pay for anything in the protocol. I

got a free months supply for a really good anti-inflammatory. The

price is $49.95 a month, with my insurance I can get a pharmaceutical

for $20.00. It costs a heck of a lot more. I have had to use it, but

avoid it as much as possible. I do like the intraMAX. I haven't gotten

it yet, but it looks really good and being liquid makes it even better.

I don't have cancer(at least I don't think I do), but it does run in

my family. Taking action before it is needed is the route I like to

take if possible.

Does anyone know if there is any group that is trying to get insurance

companies to pay for alternatives. So many people are switching to

them and it would cost the insurance companies less. I also recently

read somewhere that some doctors are leaving the AMA. Too bad I don't

remember where.

 

Jay

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Naomi " <naomilh wrote:

>

> " I constantly hear people say " what is your health worth " " ..............

>

> I agree with you.Renee. When I hear those kinds of remarks, I react

similarly to when I hear pronouncements like " you have 3 months to

live " . On some budgets (more and more these days) remarks like that

can feel like a death sentence. And the cost comparisons don't apply.

If I knuckled under every I heard those kinds of remarks, I'd be

asking Congress for a $700 billion bail out. Hmmm.....Now that I

think of it, I think I deserve one already.

>

[Guest guest]

Once again, Renee said it very well. Insurance does not pay for my chiro, my integrative dr. or any supplements or bio hormones from the compounding pharmacy. I have to pay for everything I want. Plus pay over $ 60 a month for my insurance I can't use!

 

 

My credit card is over $2,000 right now and I cannot pay it off except with payments and that is not ok with me. I now have to stop untill that is paid off...probably 3-4 months..so no more supps when I run out.

 

 

These alternatives are not cheap. I want to buy a silver generator, but, right now it's not in my budget, but, will I lose the opportunity if I can't do it right now? I can't take the stress anymore. I just wish this fascist government would come to my door and kill me outright.

Nonie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I constantly hear people say "what is your health worth" and how small the price of alternative products are compared to main stream chemo/radiation. The problem with that thinking, though--is that most people do not have the extra money to buy all the alternative products recommended--not just by you, but by most people. We live on a fixed income, and most of it goes to monthly type bills. We have little that is discretionary. Even taking some money out of the food budget (about the only flexible part) doesn't cover all that I would like to buy. I pick and choose and actually we are fine and healthy. But for many that are truly ill, most products that are recommended (not particularly by you but by lots of different protocols) ARE expensive, and so hard to come up with the money for. Comparing these costs with the costs of chemo/radiation is not fair--though everyone does it. It's not fair because the cost of chemo/radiation does not come out of the person's pocket. The insurance companies pay for this. If a person had to pay for these treatments out of their own pockets we'd actually have less cancer as a whole than we do, because no one could afford to pay for them! They ARE so much more expensive than healthy products and protocols. The reason people take chemo/radiation (besides this being the only alternatives their doctors give them after surgery) is because someone else pays for it.

 

So I don't think this comparison is at all fair. It only serves to make people feel bad, and sometimes angry--thinking, "I have no choice, my insurance company won't pay for my blue green algae. I don't WANT chemo, but it's all they will pay for".

 

I'm just so grateful for things as cheap and powerful as oleander, CS and herbs. Sometimes it's all a person can afford, and sometimes, fortunately, all that is needed. Juggling budgets can accomplish a lot, but sometimes cannot cover all that we'd like.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Jay,It would be nice if insurance companies covered alternative healing, but unfortunately, then it would cut into the BiG Pharma profits. I don't see this ever happening.If you don't have cancer, taking Oleander as a preventative for $45 dollars for the capsules or $60 for the liquid per month, far outweighs the benefits of relying on prescriptions that are covered by insurance. Cheaper, maybe...... But what benefits would one derive? Certainly not true healing. So many forego alternative measures for just this reason. They feel they don't have the money. Yet, what is more valuable, optimum health through natural healing or cheaper prescription drugs that at best may just mask the problem, but certainly do come with their dangerous side effects?And then........ you can always make Oleander Soup, which I have also done.Of course, one must also adopt a healthy lifestyle with a healthy diet. This is paramount. They all work together synergistically.These are the supplements I take daily.Sutherlandia OPCColloidal SilverColloidal GoldTrace Minerals IodineCoQ10TurmericChromiumSeleniumInositol/IP6Oxy-Gen CapsI don't think I've missed anything.There was a point where my health was failing with several conditions. I worked very hard to get to where I'm at and we may do without a lot of things, and we do, but we do not scrimp when it comes to health.Hugs,oleander soup , "Jay" <jplas9999 wrote:>> I would have to say that everyone who has replied to this topic is> correct. The 15% discount helps a great deal. The one thing missing is> the fact that my insurance won't pay for anything in the protocol. I> got a free months supply for a really good anti-inflammatory. The> price is $49.95 a month, with my insurance I can get a pharmaceutical> for $20.00. It costs a heck of a lot more. I have had to use it, but> avoid it as much as possible. I do like the intraMAX. I haven't gotten> it yet, but it looks really good and being liquid makes it even better. > I don't have cancer(at least I don't think I do), but it does run in> my family. Taking action before it is needed is the route I like to> take if possible.> Does anyone know if there is any group that is trying to get insurance> companies to pay for alternatives. So many people are switching to> them and it would cost the insurance companies less. I also recently> read somewhere that some doctors are leaving the AMA. Too bad I don't> remember where.> > Jay> > >

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know the equivalent of 3,000mg curcumin in powderized turmeric?

 

Thanks.

 

Melly

[Guest guest]

oleander soup , Melly Bag <tita_mel wrote:

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> Does anyone know the equivalent of 3,000mg curcumin in powderized

turmeric?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Melly

>

 

Since turmeric contains only about 5% of curcumin, the equivalent

will be 3x20 = 60g of turmeric. Regarding properties, studies, etc.

you can look at http://www.turmeric-curcumin.com/.

 

The best deal on curcumin I found a few weeks ago is this

 

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWH084/ItemDetail?SourceCode=INTL073

 

which is about $40 for 2-month supply taking 2,700mg a day.

 

I will post a protocol of my father on the curezone cancer forum in a

few days with prices and links of all the components, many of which

are from Tony's protocol.

 

You can also look at a message and a few files with cancer adjuvant

treatment protocols I uploaded to curezone a few months ago.

 

Best regards,

Nekto

[Guest guest]

If there are groups pressuring governments, national health services,

health insurances to at least contribute to alternative heath meds we

should all be joining.

 

I think that for many of us the budget is an issue whether we like it

or not. The protocols we follow include a lot of different items and

suppliers and the cost is significant in a family's budget. Eating

organic is also more expensive (except in the warmer months when our

veg patches help out). And I know we are lucky to manage to afford

it. I realise standard medications for the ailments in question are

much more expensive BUT as others have said we are buying our own

alternative meds whereas, for us, the national health service was

paying before. I haven't quite added the whole lot up yet but it is

quite a figure per month. F. has now closed his business down but we

have just got the news that he will be able to get a pension so

hopefully it will cover the costs and leave a little towards the

mortgage payments and family needs.

 

Oleander grows here no problems (neighbours have it in their garden)

but am not sure about finding organic supplier of the plant and

unless we get really desperate prefer to buy it from Marc. Altho with

F. at home now he could start making the soup in between picking the

kids up from school, walking the dogs, housework, cooking, shopping,

etc. he is quite the stay at home pop making up for mom's longer

hours at work ... He might have to soon as we just got our bank

statements an there was not a + figure to be seen. Well we have a

couple months supply of everything and a gallon of CS on its way

finally.

 

When will our governments realise that alternative treatments save

them money in the end and start contributing to peoples all round

health.

I think one of the most advanced countries for recognising

alternative health options is Germany.

 

Nelly

 

 

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Jay " <jplas9999 wrote:

>

> I would have to say that everyone who has replied to this topic is

> correct. The 15% discount helps a great deal. The one thing missing

is

> the fact that my insurance won't pay for anything in the protocol. I

> got a free months supply for a really good anti-inflammatory. The

> price is $49.95 a month, with my insurance I can get a

pharmaceutical

> for $20.00. It costs a heck of a lot more. I have had to use it, but

> avoid it as much as possible. I do like the intraMAX. I haven't

gotten

> it yet, but it looks really good and being liquid makes it even

better.

> I don't have cancer(at least I don't think I do), but it does run in

> my family. Taking action before it is needed is the route I like to

> take if possible.

> Does anyone know if there is any group that is trying to get

insurance

> companies to pay for alternatives. So many people are switching to

> them and it would cost the insurance companies less. I also recently

> read somewhere that some doctors are leaving the AMA. Too bad I

don't

> remember where.

>

> Jay

>

>

>

> oleander soup , " Naomi " <naomilh@> wrote:

> >

> > " I constantly hear people say " what is your health

worth " " ..............

> >

> > I agree with you.Renee. When I hear those kinds of remarks, I

react

> similarly to when I hear pronouncements like " you have 3 months to

> live " . On some budgets (more and more these days) remarks like that

> can feel like a death sentence. And the cost comparisons don't

apply.

> If I knuckled under every I heard those kinds of remarks, I'd be

> asking Congress for a $700 billion bail out. Hmmm.....Now that I

> think of it, I think I deserve one already.

> >

>