Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 herbal remedies , " great_expectations_mine " <great_expectations_mine wrote: > > recently some one asked about natural probiotics and someone suggested > cabbage juice, but know more. I've tried looking this up w/ no luck. > Can anyone tell me more. > Thanks, > Malissa > Hi Malissa, If you want some great tasting, organic probiotics let me recomend Kimchi, I order mine from www.rejuvenative.com. They carrie a wide variety and its all made from raw organic vegetables and spices, they also carrie raw nut butters and saurkraut. They guarentee their products and they give very good service. Robyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 * Hello A good brand of Pro-biotics is SOLGAR. If the Nutrients are sold in an Amber-dark bottle; this keeps the Nutrients fresher. Solgar sells almost all their Nutrients in amber bottles at store. herbal remedies , " E J Lanier " <raavenart wrote: > > Hello All > > I haven't been able to post much because it's a busy time of year for > us! I also had to take the posts off my email, because too many > business was coming in and too many emails period! LOL But I have > still been popping in as often as possible to read up on the posts. > This message board is just too wonderful to not be a part of! > > Anywho... I am about to start a long awaited cleanse, mainly to detox > after lots of health issues with my kidneys (Been planning it for > months) whereas this cleanse is finally ALSO going to be assisting in > my kicking the naaaaaasty nicotine habit, as well as the full > elimination of meat and dairy (I NEVER want to go back to the > cigarettes, though I may still have moments of eating meat/dairy after > the fast...)!!! My question is this: I recently read something about > maintaining health and not allowing toxins to " rebuild " by making sure > to take a combo of acidophilus (which I read is more acidic) and in > order to counter-act the acid of this substance, ALSO taking some good > probiotics. I know very little about these things. I recently started > taking acidophilus because someone told me it helps with stomach > problems, and noticed no change after a month... so I don't know if I > just got " bad stuff " or what but... I want to make sure that whatever > I buy will be good and " Alive " so I was hoping for suggestions on > brands, types, etc. > > I did notice the cabbage recipe in the files, and that would be an > option as well, but was hoping more for something in " Pill form " if > possible, at least for the busy times in life. Even if I still have to > make it myself but know it will last longer. I'd love to hear > everyone's suggestions/help on the matter. > > My fast begins on Monday, and I am really excited about it! Have been > doing homework on everything since the beginning of the year and I > think I'm really ready! Charged with positive energy and looking > forward to the healthy changes in my life! But I want to make sure I > do everything I can AFTER the cleanse to maintain everything I'm > working so hard to achieve. Any suggestions would be appreciated, even > from the Doc himself ;o) ... either on or off list. > > Thanks so much, my friends! > > Love and Blessings to All, > ~Raaven > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 There are many dairy, organic, or soy yogurts available with active live cultures that are fresh. because they are fresh they assist the gut more than a pill. Kind of like eating fresh vegetables rather than taking a multi vitamin (they're a good idea anyway). Also try Bromine (sp.?) it is from pineapple and is helpful for the gut, take it first thing in the morning before eating and you'll see results in no time.JACKIE SIMON "E J Lanier" <raavenartherbal remedies To: herbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - ProbioticsWed, 07 Jun 2006 17:02:04 -0000 Hello All :)I haven't been able to post much because it's a busy time of year forus! I also had to take the posts off my email, because too manybusiness was coming in and too many emails period! LOL But I havestill been popping in as often as possible to read up on the posts.This message board is just too wonderful to not be a part of! :)Anywho... I am about to start a long awaited cleanse, mainly to detoxafter lots of health issues with my kidneys (Been planning it formonths) whereas this cleanse is finally ALSO going to be assisting inmy kicking the naaaaaasty nicotine habit, as well as the fullelimination of meat and dairy (I NEVER want to go back to thecigarettes, though I may still have moments of eating meat/dairy afterthe fast...)!!! My question is this: I recently read something aboutmaintaining health and not allowing toxins to "rebuild" by making sureto take a combo of acidophilus (which I read is more acidic) and inorder to counter-act the acid of this substance, ALSO taking some goodprobiotics. I know very little about these things. I recently startedtaking acidophilus because someone told me it helps with stomachproblems, and noticed no change after a month... so I don't know if Ijust got "bad stuff" or what but... I want to make sure that whateverI buy will be good and "Alive" so I was hoping for suggestions onbrands, types, etc.I did notice the cabbage recipe in the files, and that would be anoption as well, but was hoping more for something in "Pill form" ifpossible, at least for the busy times in life. Even if I still have tomake it myself but know it will last longer. I'd love to heareveryone's suggestions/help on the matter. My fast begins on Monday, and I am really excited about it! Have beendoing homework on everything since the beginning of the year and Ithink I'm really ready! Charged with positive energy and lookingforward to the healthy changes in my life! But I want to make sure Ido everything I can AFTER the cleanse to maintain everything I'mworking so hard to achieve. Any suggestions would be appreciated, evenfrom the Doc himself ;o) ... either on or off list.Thanks so much, my friends!Love and Blessings to All,~Raaven Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Wendi, the topic is currently under discussion on the candidiasis , where it especially matters; central in fact to controlling the candida. I've been doing this for years so I'll summarize; references on my website amount to about a week of reading. Not sure I can post my inulin references but if you Gooogle " inulin references " you'll find it. A dietary deficiency of the PREbiotic inulin (food for probiotics) is what leads to the perceived need for a probiotic; with adequate inulin the bowel culture will be fine and you won't need probiotics. If you perceive you need probiotics, bear in mind that they only represent a starter culture that you need to feed anyway to establish an active culture; only an actively fermenting culture can outcompete pathogens and colonize the intestinal wall in a permanent way. Probiotics without prebiotics are known to give some relief only until you stop taking them; when they ae withdrawn you find the dysbiosis returns because you aen't culturing aything permanent. Of the probiotics, choose one with three or preferably more strains of bifidobacteria. The lactobacilli don't matter that much because they aren't particularly good probiotics. This is exemplified by the fact the elderly gut contains lots of lactobacilli and also lots of pathogenic organisms. However, even small fluctuations in bifidobacteria populations results in large changes to the bowel flora including lactobacilli numbers. You were probably referring to brand choice in your question. Several good brands exist; slow and steady wins the race but for fastest results, pile it on numerically and use the inulin as well. Enteric coating is important to get them to the intestine alive, but you can circumvent not having enterically coated probiotics by using a lot more and taking them in a bolus with food. Soil organisms are unnecessary and transient; Gastroenterology journal questions the wisdom of using them. One, bacillus licheniformis, used in one well-hyped product, has been associated in the journals with cancer; most health professionals won't use it. I think that about does it; the ladies on candidiasis will discuss brand selection. Duncan Crow ; , Wendi Carrillo <tres_gatos87801 wrote: > > Hi All - > > Does anyone have a particular probiotic that they like? I've been using Probiotic Pearls. I really don't know how they rate. There are SO many kinds out there. Anyone know which one is best? > > Many thanks! > > -Wendi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 I use PB 8 from Nutrition Now, Inc. I take one cap in the morning and one at night in an empty stomach... works well for me and it's been around for quite a while now!! Fermented cabagge is good too! Wendi Carrillo wrote: > > Hi All - > > Does anyone have a particular probiotic that they like? I've been > using Probiotic Pearls. I really don't know how they rate. There are > SO many kinds out there. Anyone know which one is best? > > Many thanks! > > -Wendi > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Duncan, Any personal experience/comments on lactulose as a prebiotic? Domingo Duncan Crow wrote: > > Wendi, the topic is currently under discussion on the candidiasis > , where it especially matters; central in fact to > controlling the candida. > > I've been doing this for years so I'll summarize; references on my > website amount to about a week of reading. Not sure I can post my > inulin references but if you Gooogle " inulin references " you'll find > it. > > A dietary deficiency of the PREbiotic inulin (food for probiotics) is > what leads to the perceived need for a probiotic; with adequate > inulin the bowel culture will be fine and you won't need probiotics. > > If you perceive you need probiotics, bear in mind that they only > represent a starter culture that you need to feed anyway to establish > an active culture; only an actively fermenting culture can outcompete > pathogens and colonize the intestinal wall in a permanent way. > > Probiotics without prebiotics are known to give some relief only > until you stop taking them; when they ae withdrawn you find the > dysbiosis returns because you aen't culturing aything permanent. > > Of the probiotics, choose one with three or preferably more strains > of bifidobacteria. The lactobacilli don't matter that much because > they aren't particularly good probiotics. This is exemplified by the > fact the elderly gut contains lots of lactobacilli and also lots of > pathogenic organisms. However, even small fluctuations in > bifidobacteria populations results in large changes to the bowel > flora including lactobacilli numbers. > > You were probably referring to brand choice in your question. Several > good brands exist; slow and steady wins the race but for fastest > results, pile it on numerically and use the inulin as well. > > Enteric coating is important to get them to the intestine alive, but > you can circumvent not having enterically coated probiotics by using > a lot more and taking them in a bolus with food. > > Soil organisms are unnecessary and transient; Gastroenterology > journal questions the wisdom of using them. One, bacillus > licheniformis, used in one well-hyped product, has been associated in > the journals with cancer; most health professionals won't use it. > > I think that about does it; the ladies on candidiasis will discuss > brand selection. > > Duncan Crow > > ; Alternative_ Medicine_ Forum@ s.com > <%40>, Wendi Carrillo > <tres_gatos87801@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hi All - > > > > Does anyone have a particular probiotic that they like? I've been > using Probiotic Pearls. I really don't know how they rate. There are > SO many kinds out there. Anyone know which one is best? > > > > Many thanks! > > > > -Wendi > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 A cap or two of probiotic is a precaution; if one needed to take probiotics to clear a bowel issue, several to *many* capsules would help restore bowel flora fairly quickly if taken along with the inulin to feed it and make an active culture. Inulin by itself will work fine but takes longer. Duncan Crow > Posted by: " Domingo Pichardo " dpichardo3 modamugerione > Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:47 pm (PDT) > > I use PB 8 from Nutrition Now, Inc. > > I take one cap in the morning and one at night in an empty stomach... > works well for me and it's been around for quite a while now!! > Fermented cabagge is good too! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 PREbiotics (food for probiotics) vary in their support for different bacteria; some have wide appeal and some are very specific, so, a better question to apply to a prebiotic is more like, " which organisms are going to use it the fastest? " and the answer will be as varied as its paticular specicificity as a prebiotic and the paticulars of the starter culture. Lactulose is used for hydrogen breath testing; because hydrogen is not produced by bifidobacteria or lactobacilli, obviously it appeals to some non-probiotic bacteria too. Hydrogen-using bacteria convert hydrogen to methane, which is converted by methane-using bacteria to methanol. In dysbiosis, methanol, a toxin, is produced in fairly large quantities. In this in-vivo hog study (PMID: 12420113) lactulose increased Clostridia perfringens, which like C. difficile is a particularly troublesome pathogen in humans that often causes terminal diarrhea in the elderly, more than it increased bifidobacteria. So, after all that the short answer is that you could select from many prebiotics, lactulose included, and get varied results. I chose inulin over the artificial prebiotics because it is a quite specific prebiotic even in " native " unrefined form, it is a very specific pebiotic when shorter chains are removed, it is demonstratably deficient in the modern diet, and we and our gut bacteria evolved with it. Note that inulin does not support clostridia. We discuss this kind of thing in detail on the candidiasis list. Duncan , Domingo Pichardo <dpichardo3 wrote: > > Duncan, > > Any personal experience/comments on lactulose as a prebiotic? > > Domingo > > Duncan Crow wrote: > > > > Wendi, the topic is currently under discussion on the candidiasis > > , where it especially matters; central in fact to > > controlling the candida. > > > > I've been doing this for years so I'll summarize; references on my > > website amount to about a week of reading. Not sure I can post my > > inulin references but if you Gooogle " inulin references " you'll find > > it. > > > > A dietary deficiency of the PREbiotic inulin (food for probiotics) is > > what leads to the perceived need for a probiotic; with adequate > > inulin the bowel culture will be fine and you won't need probiotics. > > > > If you perceive you need probiotics, bear in mind that they only > > represent a starter culture that you need to feed anyway to establish > > an active culture; only an actively fermenting culture can outcompete > > pathogens and colonize the intestinal wall in a permanent way. > > > > Probiotics without prebiotics are known to give some relief only > > until you stop taking them; when they ae withdrawn you find the > > dysbiosis returns because you aen't culturing aything permanent. > > > > Of the probiotics, choose one with three or preferably more strains > > of bifidobacteria. The lactobacilli don't matter that much because > > they aren't particularly good probiotics. This is exemplified by the > > fact the elderly gut contains lots of lactobacilli and also lots of > > pathogenic organisms. However, even small fluctuations in > > bifidobacteria populations results in large changes to the bowel > > flora including lactobacilli numbers. > > > > You were probably referring to brand choice in your question. Several > > good brands exist; slow and steady wins the race but for fastest > > results, pile it on numerically and use the inulin as well. > > > > Enteric coating is important to get them to the intestine alive, but > > you can circumvent not having enterically coated probiotics by using > > a lot more and taking them in a bolus with food. > > > > Soil organisms are unnecessary and transient; Gastroenterology > > journal questions the wisdom of using them. One, bacillus > > licheniformis, used in one well-hyped product, has been associated in > > the journals with cancer; most health professionals won't use it. > > > > I think that about does it; the ladies on candidiasis will discuss > > brand selection. > > > > Duncan Crow > > > > ; Alternative_ Medicine_ Forum@ s.com > > <%40>, Wendi Carrillo > > <tres_gatos87801@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi All - > > > > > > Does anyone have a particular probiotic that they like? I've been > > using Probiotic Pearls. I really don't know how they rate. There are > > SO many kinds out there. Anyone know which one is best? > > > > > > Many thanks! > > > > > > -Wendi > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Thank you Duncan Crow for your most educational answer... I was going to ask my mother's doctor for a prescription for it to treat her chronic constipation (she has Parkinson) and is taking a stool softner (Docucate Sodium) but I will go with the Inulin instead! Dom Duncan Crow wrote: > > PREbiotics (food for probiotics) vary in their support for different > bacteria; some have wide appeal and some are very specific, so, a > better question to apply to a prebiotic is more like, " which > organisms are going to use it the fastest? " and the answer will be as > varied as its paticular specicificity as a prebiotic and the > paticulars of the starter culture. > > Lactulose is used for hydrogen breath testing; because hydrogen is > not produced by bifidobacteria or lactobacilli, obviously it appeals > to some non-probiotic bacteria too. Hydrogen-using bacteria convert > hydrogen to methane, which is converted by methane-using bacteria to > methanol. In dysbiosis, methanol, a toxin, is produced in fairly > large quantities. > > In this in-vivo hog study (PMID: 12420113) lactulose increased > Clostridia perfringens, which like C. difficile is a particularly > troublesome pathogen in humans that often causes terminal diarrhea in > the elderly, more than it increased bifidobacteria. > > So, after all that the short answer is that you could select from > many prebiotics, lactulose included, and get varied results. I chose > inulin over the artificial prebiotics because it is a quite specific > prebiotic even in " native " unrefined form, it is a very specific > pebiotic when shorter chains are removed, it is demonstratably > deficient in the modern diet, and we and our gut bacteria evolved > with it. Note that inulin does not support clostridia. > > We discuss this kind of thing in detail on the candidiasis list. > > Duncan > > Alternative_ Medicine_ Forum@ s.com > <%40>, Domingo Pichardo > <dpichardo3@ ...> wrote: > > > > Duncan, > > > > Any personal experience/comments on lactulose as a prebiotic? > > > > Domingo > > > > Duncan Crow wrote: > > > > > > Wendi, the topic is currently under discussion on the candidiasis > > > , where it especially matters; central in fact to > > > controlling the candida. > > > > > > I've been doing this for years so I'll summarize; references on my > > > website amount to about a week of reading. Not sure I can post my > > > inulin references but if you Gooogle " inulin references " you'll > find > > > it. > > > > > > A dietary deficiency of the PREbiotic inulin (food for > probiotics) is > > > what leads to the perceived need for a probiotic; with adequate > > > inulin the bowel culture will be fine and you won't need > probiotics. > > > > > > If you perceive you need probiotics, bear in mind that they only > > > represent a starter culture that you need to feed anyway to > establish > > > an active culture; only an actively fermenting culture can > outcompete > > > pathogens and colonize the intestinal wall in a permanent way. > > > > > > Probiotics without prebiotics are known to give some relief only > > > until you stop taking them; when they ae withdrawn you find the > > > dysbiosis returns because you aen't culturing aything permanent. > > > > > > Of the probiotics, choose one with three or preferably more > strains > > > of bifidobacteria. The lactobacilli don't matter that much because > > > they aren't particularly good probiotics. This is exemplified by > the > > > fact the elderly gut contains lots of lactobacilli and also lots > of > > > pathogenic organisms. However, even small fluctuations in > > > bifidobacteria populations results in large changes to the bowel > > > flora including lactobacilli numbers. > > > > > > You were probably referring to brand choice in your question. > Several > > > good brands exist; slow and steady wins the race but for fastest > > > results, pile it on numerically and use the inulin as well. > > > > > > Enteric coating is important to get them to the intestine alive, > but > > > you can circumvent not having enterically coated probiotics by > using > > > a lot more and taking them in a bolus with food. > > > > > > Soil organisms are unnecessary and transient; Gastroenterology > > > journal questions the wisdom of using them. One, bacillus > > > licheniformis, used in one well-hyped product, has been > associated in > > > the journals with cancer; most health professionals won't use it. > > > > > > I think that about does it; the ladies on candidiasis will discuss > > > brand selection. > > > > > > Duncan Crow > > > > > > ; Alternative_ Medicine_ Forum@ s.com > > > <Alternative _Medicine_ Forum%40gro ups.com>, Wendi > Carrillo > > > <tres_gatos87801@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi All - > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a particular probiotic that they like? I've > been > > > using Probiotic Pearls. I really don't know how they rate. There > are > > > SO many kinds out there. Anyone know which one is best? > > > > > > > > Many thanks! > > > > > > > > -Wendi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Thanks for all the input about probiotics from people who know way more about it than me. I just ordered some 'spores'. What an education! I believed that eating yogurt and/or live kefir, and sourkraut juice would be very beneficial to the intestines. They are all wonderful ways to preserve milk products and vegetables without refrigeration, but apparently have less valuein protecting the intestines. Fascinating. Rhoda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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