fungal infection in hiv/hepc individual

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Hello All,

 

Perhaps you remember my hubs mouth ulcers, which seem to have

improved with probiotics and vit B, but the respite never lasts for

long and they come back. Have been advised that there is probably an

underlying fungal infection and to take DIFLUCAN. However DIFLUCAN is

a no no for people with liver disease. Any advice? What about MMS?

I'd like to knock out the fungal infection and then do maintenance

with olive leaf extract and probiotics.

 

Thanks for any advice. In the meantime, I am going to look back at

old posts on this subject now.

 

Thanks

 

Nelly

 

PS for any one interested

I have been quietly following discussions and absorbing info while

hoping to have some good news to post. Well I don't have any really

good news but do have some fairly good news: we had our last visit

with the Doctors just before Xmas, they had asked hub to go back on

to ARVs in September and he refused. The nurse then decided not to do

his marker blood work without telling us (because we refused

treatment), we found out when we went for the Nov visit and got upset

(in particular me), there was an animated discussion, tears etc. The

Doctor said it was a mistake. The outcome was, we would redo

bloodwork before Xmas and if hub's markers (T4 cells and viral load)

had worsened they would put him latest ARVs for patients failing on

other ARVs. They obviously predicted his T4s cells would worsen

significantly. As they were already low this would be dramatic.

Well the December results show most markers (HIV and HEPC) stable BUT

there was a slight improvement in the CD4 count (Sept was 190 whereas

Dec was 234). So it looks as if we are finally seeing a slight

improvement. It is not a great improvement but it is a start. The

doctors admitted that this result is the same as we were getting with

the ARVs before they interrupted treatment in May due to the

condition of his liver. However they are now advising for hub to

start these new ARVs with the aim of getting the viral load from 35k

to undetectable. However hub says that if at end of Jan he sees a

further improvement he is going to refuse the new treatment they are

offering. I am pro natural remedy but he is more sceptical so that is

another breakthrough.

Hope to be back with more positive news in early Feb.

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Nelly! Thank you for sharing your wonderful news! You have started my day off magnificently. Please do keep us posted as to the next test results. I am waiting with bated breath.As for the mouth ulcers, have him take colloidal silver. You can take as much as needed and there are no side effects. And it will do the job. It may take a little time depending on the severity, so don't stop. And while taking large amounts of colloidal silver he may want to take probotics. Swish the colloidal silver through the mouth and then swallow several times a day. Olive leaf extract is also good. And licorice is an excellent herb for mouth ulcersDiflucan and other antibiotics are not an option for me. They come with dngerous side effects and too many times do not do the job.Let me know how your husband progresses Nelly. And again......... so happy to hear the wonderful news!Hugs,oleander soup , "N. Cave" <nellycave wrote:>> Hello All, > > Perhaps you remember my hubs mouth ulcers, which seem to have > improved with probiotics and vit B, but the respite never lasts for > long and they come back. Have been advised that there is probably an > underlying fungal infection and to take DIFLUCAN. However DIFLUCAN is > a no no for people with liver disease. Any advice? What about MMS? > I'd like to knock out the fungal infection and then do maintenance > with olive leaf extract and probiotics.> > Thanks for any advice. In the meantime, I am going to look back at > old posts on this subject now.> > Thanks > > Nelly> > PS for any one interested> I have been quietly following discussions and absorbing info while > hoping to have some good news to post. Well I don't have any really > good news but do have some fairly good news: we had our last visit > with the Doctors just before Xmas, they had asked hub to go back on > to ARVs in September and he refused. The nurse then decided not to do > his marker blood work without telling us (because we refused > treatment), we found out when we went for the Nov visit and got upset > (in particular me), there was an animated discussion, tears etc. The > Doctor said it was a mistake. The outcome was, we would redo > bloodwork before Xmas and if hub's markers (T4 cells and viral load) > had worsened they would put him latest ARVs for patients failing on > other ARVs. They obviously predicted his T4s cells would worsen > significantly. As they were already low this would be dramatic.> Well the December results show most markers (HIV and HEPC) stable BUT > there was a slight improvement in the CD4 count (Sept was 190 whereas > Dec was 234). So it looks as if we are finally seeing a slight > improvement. It is not a great improvement but it is a start. The > doctors admitted that this result is the same as we were getting with > the ARVs before they interrupted treatment in May due to the > condition of his liver. However they are now advising for hub to > start these new ARVs with the aim of getting the viral load from 35k > to undetectable. However hub says that if at end of Jan he sees a > further improvement he is going to refuse the new treatment they are > offering. I am pro natural remedy but he is more sceptical so that is > another breakthrough.> Hope to be back with more positive news in early Feb.>

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Nelly, having had hep c for the last 35+ years, I can share my own trial and error experience, maybe it will help. I don't know all, but my educated guesses are: the mouth sores could be canker sores, caused by scurvy, brought on by vit c deficency; http://vitamincfoundation.org has a lot of links to consider. You could be supplementing with c, and still have symptoms, due to c being used up in the fight. So, you need more than you are getting. If money is an issue, you can take ascorbic acid and baking soda to create a more absorbable mix. I successfully treated a lost toenail (immediate turnaround) by using 50% iodine, 50% dmso on a bandaid each night. I take mms on a maintenance dose now; (long term at 45 per day is too much) using 10 drops in the morning, wait a couple

hours, then begin anti-ox (including Ol) throughout the day. A second small does of mms say 5 drops, seems to make me sleep. I suspect that viral activity causes me insomnia. I have also found that mega doses of c cause me insomnia, so I take all c, etc from 11 am- 4 pm. For me, I know for sure that mms works, because it is the -only- thing that keeps the liver pain and symptoms away. I have tried a long list of ozone, herbs, and all, singularly and combined, and nothing else keeps the pain away and gives me a normal appetite. I do take the O as a supplement and I think it is responsible for solving a couple suspicious spots on my face, as well as almost complete receding of "liver spots". For lack of energy, I will have veg juice each morning. I find that cooked oils do not work well with mms, especially eaten closely. I

also try to do a ozone steam sauna each day, concentrating the ozone into the lymph and then jumping on a rebounder- this I think, moves lymph fluid. "Cupping" the thymus and spleen is good too. --- On Tue, 1/6/09, May <luellamay129 wrote:

May <luellamay129 Re: fungal infection in hiv/hepc individualoleander soup Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 7:48 AM

 

 

Nelly! Thank you for sharing your wonderful news! You have started my day off magnificently. Please do keep us posted as to the next test results. I am waiting with bated breath.As for the mouth ulcers, have him take colloidal silver. You can take as much as needed and there are no side effects. And it will do the job. It may take a little time depending on the severity, so don't stop. And while taking large amounts of colloidal silver he may want to take probotics. Swish the colloidal silver through the mouth and then swallow several times a day. Olive leaf extract is also good. And licorice is an excellent herb for mouth ulcersDiflucan and other antibiotics are not an option for me. They come with dngerous side effects and too many times do not do the job.Let me know how your husband progresses Nelly. And

again....... .. so happy to hear the wonderful news!Hugs,oleander soup, "N. Cave" <nellycave@.. .> wrote:>> Hello All, > > Perhaps you remember my hubs mouth ulcers, which seem to have > improved with probiotics and vit B, but the respite never lasts for > long and they come back. Have been advised that there is probably an > underlying fungal infection and to take DIFLUCAN. However DIFLUCAN is > a no no for people with liver disease. Any advice? What about MMS? > I'd like to knock out the fungal infection and then do maintenance > with olive leaf extract and probiotics.> > Thanks for any advice. In the meantime, I am going to look back at > old posts on this subject now.> > Thanks > > Nelly> > PS for any one interested> I have been quietly

following discussions and absorbing info while > hoping to have some good news to post. Well I don't have any really > good news but do have some fairly good news: we had our last visit > with the Doctors just before Xmas, they had asked hub to go back on > to ARVs in September and he refused. The nurse then decided not to do > his marker blood work without telling us (because we refused > treatment), we found out when we went for the Nov visit and got upset > (in particular me), there was an animated discussion, tears etc. The > Doctor said it was a mistake. The outcome was, we would redo > bloodwork before Xmas and if hub's markers (T4 cells and viral load) > had worsened they would put him latest ARVs for patients failing on > other ARVs. They obviously predicted his T4s cells would worsen > significantly. As they were already low this would be dramatic.> Well

the December results show most markers (HIV and HEPC) stable BUT > there was a slight improvement in the CD4 count (Sept was 190 whereas > Dec was 234). So it looks as if we are finally seeing a slight > improvement. It is not a great improvement but it is a start. The > doctors admitted that this result is the same as we were getting with > the ARVs before they interrupted treatment in May due to the > condition of his liver. However they are now advising for hub to > start these new ARVs with the aim of getting the viral load from 35k > to undetectable. However hub says that if at end of Jan he sees a > further improvement he is going to refuse the new treatment they are > offering. I am pro natural remedy but he is more sceptical so that is > another breakthrough.> Hope to be back with more positive news in early

Feb.>

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Nelly

Have you had his blood actually checked by a knowledgeable professional for fungus.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Duke Dallas - Texas

info --- On Tue, 1/6/09, N. Cave <nellycave wrote:

N. Cave <nellycave fungal infection in hiv/hepc individual

 

 

Hello All, Perhaps you remember my hubs mouth ulcers, which seem to have improved with probiotics and vit B, but the respite never lasts for long and they come back. Have been advised that there is probably an underlying fungal infection and to take DIFLUCAN. However DIFLUCAN is a no no for people with liver disease. Any advice? What about MMS? I'd like to knock out the fungal infection and then do maintenance with olive leaf extract and probiotics. Un

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oleander soup , Duke Stone <dukesdeals wrote:

>

> Nelly

> Have you had his blood actually checked by a knowledgeable

professional for fungus.

>

 

No, so I guess it would be best to have that done asap and then decide

how to proceed. Thanks Duke

 

Nelly

[Guest guest]

,Wouldn't larger amounts of CS also help with the HIV/Hep-C viral loads as well as the mouth sores? Also I was wondering, can CS be administered intravenously? What about rectally? Would asorbtion into the system be similar to under the tongue because the intestinal walls are so thin? Would either of these applications increase effectiveness of the CS because it bypasses the digestive system? Nelly, You asked about MMS. I remember reading on the cancer tutor site about an HIV treatment involving intravenous MMS. I don't know anything about this method or the success rates and I don't have HIV or HEPC, but I do remember reading about it. Best wishes from rainy seattle,Sean. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T" May" Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:48:25 -0000<oleander soup > Re: fungal infection in hiv/hepc individual Nelly! Thank you for sharing your wonderful news! You have started my day off magnificently. Please do keep us posted as to the next test results. I am waiting with bated breath.As for the mouth ulcers, have him take colloidal silver. You can take as much as needed and there are no side effects. And it will do the job. It may take a little time depending on the severity, so don't stop. And while taking large amounts of colloidal silver he may want to take probotics. Swish the colloidal silver through the mouth and then swallow several times a day. Olive leaf extract is also good. And licorice is an excellent herb for mouth ulcersDiflucan and other antibiotics are not an option for me. They come with dngerous side effects and too many times do not do the job.Let me know how your husband progresses Nelly. And again......... so happy to hear the wonderful news!Hugs,oleander soup , "N. Cave" <nellycave wrote:>> Hello All, > > Perhaps you remember my hubs mouth ulcers, which seem to have > improved with probiotics and vit B, but the respite never lasts for > long and they come back. Have been advised that there is probably an > underlying fungal infection and to take DIFLUCAN. However DIFLUCAN is > a no no for people with liver disease. Any advice? What about MMS? > I'd like to knock out the fungal infection and then do maintenance > with olive leaf extract and probiotics.> > Thanks for any advice. In the meantime, I am going to look back at > old posts on this subject now.> > Thanks > > Nelly> > PS for any one interested> I have been quietly following discussions and absorbing info while > hoping to have some good news to post. Well I don't have any really > good news but do have some fairly good news: we had our last visit > with the Doctors just before Xmas, they had asked hub to go back on > to ARVs in September and he refused. The nurse then decided not to do > his marker blood work without telling us (because we refused > treatment), we found out when we went for the Nov visit and got upset > (in particular me), there was an animated discussion, tears etc. The > Doctor said it was a mistake. The outcome was, we would redo > bloodwork before Xmas and if hub's markers (T4 cells and viral load) > had worsened they would put him latest ARVs for patients failing on > other ARVs. They obviously predicted his T4s cells would worsen > significantly. As they were already low this would be dramatic.> Well the December results show most markers (HIV and HEPC) stable BUT > there was a slight improvement in the CD4 count (Sept was 190 whereas > Dec was 234). So it looks as if we are finally seeing a slight > improvement. It is not a great improvement but it is a start. The > doctors admitted that this result is the same as we were getting with > the ARVs before they interrupted treatment in May due to the > condition of his liver. However they are now advising for hub to > start these new ARVs with the aim of getting the viral load from 35k > to undetectable. However hub says that if at end of Jan he sees a > further improvement he is going to refuse the new treatment they are > offering. I am pro natural remedy but he is more sceptical so that is > another breakthrough.> Hope to be back with more positive news in early Feb.>

[Guest guest]

Nelly, perhaps my memory is coming up short here, but tell me what exactly is your husband taking for HIV and HEPC? Or fungus?

There are lots of better and safer options than Diflucan and ARVs.

oleander soup , "N. Cave" <nellycave wrote:>> Hello All, > > Perhaps you remember my hubs mouth ulcers, which seem to have > improved with probiotics and vit B, but the respite never lasts for > long and they come back. Have been advised that there is probably an > underlying fungal infection and to take DIFLUCAN. However DIFLUCAN is > a no no for people with liver disease. Any advice? What about MMS? > I'd like to knock out the fungal infection and then do maintenance > with olive leaf extract and probiotics.> > Thanks for any advice. In the meantime, I am going to look back at > old posts on this subject now.> > Thanks > > Nelly> > PS for any one interested> I have been quietly following discussions and absorbing info while > hoping to have some good news to post. Well I don't have any really > good news but do have some fairly good news: we had our last visit > with the Doctors just before Xmas, they had asked hub to go back on > to ARVs in September and he refused. The nurse then decided not to do > his marker blood work without telling us (because we refused > treatment), we found out when we went for the Nov visit and got upset > (in particular me), there was an animated discussion, tears etc. The > Doctor said it was a mistake. The outcome was, we would redo > bloodwork before Xmas and if hub's markers (T4 cells and viral load) > had worsened they would put him latest ARVs for patients failing on > other ARVs. They obviously predicted his T4s cells would worsen > significantly. As they were already low this would be dramatic.> Well the December results show most markers (HIV and HEPC) stable BUT > there was a slight improvement in the CD4 count (Sept was 190 whereas > Dec was 234). So it looks as if we are finally seeing a slight > improvement. It is not a great improvement but it is a start. The > doctors admitted that this result is the same as we were getting with > the ARVs before they interrupted treatment in May due to the > condition of his liver. However they are now advising for hub to > start these new ARVs with the aim of getting the viral load from 35k > to undetectable. However hub says that if at end of Jan he sees a > further improvement he is going to refuse the new treatment they are > offering. I am pro natural remedy but he is more sceptical so that is > another breakthrough.> Hope to be back with more positive news in early Feb.>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nelly,You would have to take large amounts of colloidal silver, yes. Also, is he taking Sutherlandia OPC? This would also be very beneficial for HIV and Hepatitis C.As for taking colloidal silver by IV or rectally, I really cannot answer this, as I am not well versed in these methods. oleander soup , restrictionsapply wrote:>> ,

> > Wouldn't larger amounts of CS also help with the HIV/Hep-C viral loads as well as the mouth sores? > > Also I was wondering, can CS be administered intravenously? What about rectally? Would asorbtion into the system be similar to under the tongue because the intestinal walls are so thin? Would either of these applications increase effectiveness of the CS because it bypasses the digestive system? >

[Guest guest]

,

 

As usual, i'm out of it and writing my posts too quickly. i am the

one who was asking about those two items, and then at the bottom of my

post i referred nelly to the MMS cure mentioned on the cancertutor site.

 

sorry (again!)

 

sean.

 

 

oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129

wrote:

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> Hi Nelly,

>

> You would have to take large amounts of colloidal silver, yes. Also, is

> he taking Sutherlandia OPC? This would also be very beneficial for HIV

> and Hepatitis C.

>

> As for taking colloidal silver by IV or rectally, I really cannot answer

> this, as I am not well versed in these methods.

>

>

>

> oleander soup , restrictionsapply@ wrote:

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Wouldn't larger amounts of CS also help with the HIV/Hep-C viral loads

> as well as the mouth sores?

> >

> > Also I was wondering, can CS be administered intravenously? What about

> rectally? Would asorbtion into the system be similar to under the tongue

> because the intestinal walls are so thin? Would either of these

> applications increase effectiveness of the CS because it bypasses the

> digestive system?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh Sean, not to worry. I may very well be the one that is confused. lololeander soup , "nationalrazor9" <restrictionsapply wrote:>> , > > As usual, i'm out of it and writing my posts too quickly. i am the> one who was asking about those two items, and then at the bottom of my> post i referred nelly to the MMS cure mentioned on the cancertutor site.> > sorry (again!)> > sean. > > > oleander soup , " May" luellamay129@> wrote:> >> > Hi Nelly,> > > > You would have to take large amounts of colloidal silver, yes. Also, is> > he taking Sutherlandia OPC? This would also be very beneficial for HIV> > and Hepatitis C.> > > > As for taking colloidal silver by IV or rectally, I really cannot answer> > this, as I am not well versed in these methods.> > > > > > > > oleander soup , restrictionsapply@ wrote:> > >> > > ,> > >> > > Wouldn't larger amounts of CS also help with the HIV/Hep-C viral loads> > as well as the mouth sores?> > >> > > Also I was wondering, can CS be administered intravenously? What about> > rectally? Would asorbtion into the system be similar to under the tongue> > because the intestinal walls are so thin? Would either of these> > applications increase effectiveness of the CS because it bypasses the> > digestive system?> > >> >>