Iodine deficiency and prostate cancer

[Guest guest]

Tony,

 

I wonder if you and/or others in the group would share your thoughts

on iodine supplementation in the fight with cancer. You stressed

rather strongly that I should be supplementing with iodine as well as

Sutherlandia OPC in my struggle with prostate cancer. I responded that

I was already supplementing with iodine.

 

I reread David Brownstein's book, IODINE: WHY YOU NEED IT; WHY YOU

CAN'T LIVE WITH OUTOUT IT, 3rd ed. (2007), and realize that apparently

I have not been supplementing an adequate amount of iodine to combat

cancer. I should be getting at least 13 mg of iodine daily, which is

MUCH more than what I have been taking. The RDA for iodine is only 150

mcg, which is far too small an amount.

 

My primary sources of iodine to date have been:

 

Algazim 2 capsules = 225 mcg x2 = 450 mcg = 0.45 mg

Magnascent 9 drops @ 150mcg = 1350 mcg = 1.35 mg

Himalayan Rock Salt – unknown amount, but I do not use this on a

regular basis

 

In short, I have been supplementing about 2 mg of iodine rather than

13 mg daily. Consequently, I ordered a supply of Iodoral, which costs

$32.50 for 180 tablets, each of which supplies 12.5 mg of iodine. I

also have a new supply of Magnascent 2% Iodine. I took 9 drops (= 2.7

mg of iodine) this morning and will take this twice a day (along with

my Algazim), until the Iodoral arrives.

 

Lugol's Solution (10% potassium idodide & 5% iodine in distilled

water) is also a good source of iodine. Two drops = 12.5 mg of iodine.

I would need to get my compounding pharmacist to prepare this.

 

There is a strong possibility that iodine deficiency is a major

contributing factor to the formation of prostate cancer in the first

place, for this is certainly the case with breast cancer in women.

Iodine supplementation has a detoxifying effect releasing the toxins

fluoride and bromide, which are excreted in the urine.

 

Drinking only distilled water is important because it removes a

primary source of fluoride. Restricting the consumption of baking

products lowers my consumption of bromide. Both fluoride and bromide

are much more dangerous to a person suffering from iodine deficiency

than a person who already has an optimal supply of iodine in his body.

A person with iodine deficiency should also avoid exposure to

radioactive iodine, which is part of the process of bone scans (and

other procedures of nuclear medicine).

 

It is important to examine more closely the use of vitamin B2

(riboflavin) and niacin (vitamin B3) in relation to iodine

supplementation. These two forms of vitamin B are cofactors with

iodine in the process of apoptosis (programmed cell death). Dr. Guy

Abraham apparently prescribes vitamin B2 100mg 2x daily and niacin

500mg 2x daily with 50mg iodine to his cancer patients. It would be

worth trying this for 60 days, while keeping my other " medications " as

they are, to observe what happens to my PSA number.

 

Duane Christensen

 

Dx 6.26.06 @ 68, bPSA 14.9, bPSADT 2.51 yrs, T2c Gl 3+3 {reread 4+3 @

Johns Hopkins} | ADT (5 mns) + chemo (2 mns) aborted 11.16.06 |

Protocel 19 mns (11.1.06-6.14.08) | Laetrile (1.11-5.16.08); w/ Essiac

Tea, IP-6, Flax Hull Lignans (6.20.08); Sutherlandia OPC (7.25.08);

Budwig FOCC + citrus pectin (9.17.08); & Ayurstate (10.2.08).

[Guest guest]

Hi Duane, I've just started taking Lugol's Solution for a possible

prostate cancer and upon checking the bottle it states is contains

iodine and potassium iodine and that one drop = 250mcg

You mention 2 drops = 12.5mg so I'm now thinking that not all Lugol's

are created the same. I'd have to take the whole bottle to get up to

the 13mg recommended or have I got something wrong? Your thoughts

would be much appreciated.

 

Merry Christmas, Roger B

 

Any thoughts

 

On 24 Dec, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Duane Christensen wrote:

Lugol's Solution (10% potassium idodide & 5% iodine in distilled

water) is also a good source of iodine. Two drops = 12.5 mg of iodine.

I would need to get my compounding pharmacist to prepare this.

[Guest guest]

I think iodine is essential alright. As to the amount, I will defer to David Brownstein for now and pose the question to someone much more knowledgeable about iodine than myself on CureZone and get back with you if he says differently.

Regarding some of your other comments reminded me of this reply I received from a good friend at CZ to one of my posts:

have you read much about fluoride, bromide (usually used as a rodenticide), or boron based pesticides & herbicides and the type of nitrogen fertilizer used influencing the toxicity levels of the food crops?We've been screwed for several generations already.

So sad what we have done to ourselves with chemicals. I guess I should note that boron itself is vital to life, and that a correlation has been shown in studies between boron and reduced prostate cancer, but too much of it is toxic, particularly to infants (a teaspoon could be fatal).

oleander soup , "Duane Christensen" <duanechristensen wrote:>> Tony,> > I wonder if you and/or others in the group would share your thoughts> on iodine supplementation in the fight with cancer. You stressed> rather strongly that I should be supplementing with iodine as well as> Sutherlandia OPC in my struggle with prostate cancer. I responded that> I was already supplementing with iodine. > > I reread David Brownstein's book, IODINE: WHY YOU NEED IT; WHY YOU> CAN'T LIVE WITH OUTOUT IT, 3rd ed. (2007), and realize that apparently> I have not been supplementing an adequate amount of iodine to combat> cancer. I should be getting at least 13 mg of iodine daily, which is> MUCH more than what I have been taking. The RDA for iodine is only 150> mcg, which is far too small an amount.> > My primary sources of iodine to date have been:> > Algazim 2 capsules = 225 mcg x2 = 450 mcg = 0.45 mg> Magnascent 9 drops @ 150mcg = 1350 mcg = 1.35 mg> Himalayan Rock Salt – unknown amount, but I do not use this on a> regular basis> > In short, I have been supplementing about 2 mg of iodine rather than> 13 mg daily. Consequently, I ordered a supply of Iodoral, which costs> $32.50 for 180 tablets, each of which supplies 12.5 mg of iodine. I> also have a new supply of Magnascent 2% Iodine. I took 9 drops (= 2.7> mg of iodine) this morning and will take this twice a day (along with> my Algazim), until the Iodoral arrives. > > Lugol's Solution (10% potassium idodide & 5% iodine in distilled> water) is also a good source of iodine. Two drops = 12.5 mg of iodine.> I would need to get my compounding pharmacist to prepare this.> > There is a strong possibility that iodine deficiency is a major> contributing factor to the formation of prostate cancer in the first> place, for this is certainly the case with breast cancer in women.> Iodine supplementation has a detoxifying effect releasing the toxins> fluoride and bromide, which are excreted in the urine. > > Drinking only distilled water is important because it removes a> primary source of fluoride. Restricting the consumption of baking> products lowers my consumption of bromide. Both fluoride and bromide> are much more dangerous to a person suffering from iodine deficiency> than a person who already has an optimal supply of iodine in his body.> A person with iodine deficiency should also avoid exposure to> radioactive iodine, which is part of the process of bone scans (and> other procedures of nuclear medicine).> > It is important to examine more closely the use of vitamin B2> (riboflavin) and niacin (vitamin B3) in relation to iodine> supplementation. These two forms of vitamin B are cofactors with> iodine in the process of apoptosis (programmed cell death). Dr. Guy> Abraham apparently prescribes vitamin B2 100mg 2x daily and niacin> 500mg 2x daily with 50mg iodine to his cancer patients. It would be> worth trying this for 60 days, while keeping my other "medications" as> they are, to observe what happens to my PSA number.> > Duane Christensen> > Dx 6.26.06 @ 68, bPSA 14.9, bPSADT 2.51 yrs, T2c Gl 3+3 {reread 4+3 @> Johns Hopkins} | ADT (5 mns) + chemo (2 mns) aborted 11.16.06 |> Protocel 19 mns (11.1.06-6.14.08) | Laetrile (1.11-5.16.08); w/ Essiac> Tea, IP-6, Flax Hull Lignans (6.20.08); Sutherlandia OPC (7.25.08);> Budwig FOCC + citrus pectin (9.17.08); & Ayurstate (10.2.08).>

[Guest guest]

Hi Roger,

 

I have no personal experience with Lugol's Solution, so obviously you

know more about this than I do. You say:

 

<< I'd have to take the whole bottle to get up to the 13mg recommended

or have I got something wrong? >>

 

My comment was taken directly from Brownstein's book. On page 59,

Brownstein says: " Dr. Lugol's recommended dose for a wide variety of

problems was two drops per day of Lugol's solution. This provided

12.5mg of iodine, which is very similar to the physiological dose of

iodine for sufficiency of the entire body (see Chapter 7 for more

information. "

 

I wondered about the correctness of this statement when I read it, but

I simply took this " expert " on his printed word. My guess is that you

are correct in your observation on this matter that one drop = 250mcg.

This is more or less what a single drop of 2% Magnascent Iodine provides.

 

Perhaps we can get input from others in the group to clarify this matter.

 

Where did you get you Lugol's Solution and why are you using this

rather than Iodoral?

 

Duane Christensen

 

 

 

oleander soup , Roger Barker <rbarker wrote:

>

> Hi Duane, I've just started taking Lugol's Solution for a possible

> prostate cancer and upon checking the bottle it states is contains

> iodine and potassium iodine and that one drop = 250mcg

> You mention 2 drops = 12.5mg so I'm now thinking that not all Lugol's

> are created the same. I'd have to take the whole bottle to get up to

> the 13mg recommended or have I got something wrong? Your thoughts

> would be much appreciated.

>

> Merry Christmas, Roger B

>

> Any thoughts

>

> On 24 Dec, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Duane Christensen wrote:

> Lugol's Solution (10% potassium idodide & 5% iodine in distilled

> water) is also a good source of iodine. Two drops = 12.5 mg of iodine.

> I would need to get my compounding pharmacist to prepare this.

>

[Guest guest]

Just a heads up. Iodoral is Lugol's in tablet form.oleander soup , "Duane Christensen" <duanechristensen wrote:>> Hi Roger,> > I have no personal experience with Lugol's Solution, so obviously you> know more about this than I do. You say:> > << I'd have to take the whole bottle to get up to the 13mg recommended> or have I got something wrong? >>> > My comment was taken directly from Brownstein's book. On page 59,> Brownstein says: "Dr. Lugol's recommended dose for a wide variety of> problems was two drops per day of Lugol's solution. This provided> 12.5mg of iodine, which is very similar to the physiological dose of> iodine for sufficiency of the entire body (see Chapter 7 for more> information."> > I wondered about the correctness of this statement when I read it, but> I simply took this "expert" on his printed word. My guess is that you> are correct in your observation on this matter that one drop = 250mcg.> This is more or less what a single drop of 2% Magnascent Iodine provides.> > Perhaps we can get input from others in the group to clarify this matter. > > Where did you get you Lugol's Solution and why are you using this> rather than Iodoral?> > Duane Christensen> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

 

I am aware that Iodoral is Lugol's in tablet form. My question is the

amount of iodine in a drop of Lugol's solution -- and whether or not

Dr. Brownstein is correct in what he wrote on p. 59 of his book that

two drops provide 12.5mg rather than about 500mcg. There is an

enormous difference between these two numbers.

 

I doubt VERY MUCH that Dr. Brownstein is correct in what he wrote on

this particular matter. Or does one tablet of Iodoral (= 12.5mg)

contain the same amount of iodine as two drops of Lugol's solution?

 

Duane Christensen

 

 

oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129

wrote:

>

> Just a heads up. Iodoral is Lugol's in tablet form.

>

>

>

> oleander soup , " Duane Christensen "

> <duanechristensen@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Roger,

> >

> > I have no personal experience with Lugol's Solution, so obviously you

> > know more about this than I do. You say:

> >

> > << I'd have to take the whole bottle to get up to the 13mg recommended

> > or have I got something wrong? >>

> >

> > My comment was taken directly from Brownstein's book. On page 59,

> > Brownstein says: " Dr. Lugol's recommended dose for a wide variety of

> > problems was two drops per day of Lugol's solution. This provided

> > 12.5mg of iodine, which is very similar to the physiological dose of

> > iodine for sufficiency of the entire body (see Chapter 7 for more

> > information. "

> >

> > I wondered about the correctness of this statement when I read it, but

> > I simply took this " expert " on his printed word. My guess is that you

> > are correct in your observation on this matter that one drop = 250mcg.

> > This is more or less what a single drop of 2% Magnascent Iodine

> provides.

> >

> > Perhaps we can get input from others in the group to clarify this

> matter.

> >

> > Where did you get you Lugol's Solution and why are you using this

> > rather than Iodoral?

> >

> > Duane Christensen

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Duane, I bought the Lugol's at a local health shop. I'm not

familiar with Iodoral however upon searching the net I find it is

only supplied on a medical prescription here in New Zealand as far as

I can see.

After the Christmas break I'll talk to a couple of local health care

practitioners and see if they can help.

 

Merry Christmas, Roger B

 

 

On 25 Dec, 2008, at 7:25 AM, Duane Christensen wrote:

 

> Hi Roger,

> Where did you get you Lugol's Solution and why are you using this

> rather than Iodoral?

>

> Duane Christensen

>

[Guest guest]

You can get Lugol's in 2 or 5%. The 5% is 1 drop = 6.25 mg. The pill form, Iodoral is 1 tablet = 12.5 mg.

 

Nonie>> My comment was taken directly from Brownstein's book. On page 59,> Brownstein says: "Dr. Lugol's recommended dose for a wide variety of> problems was two drops per day of Lugol's solution. This provided> 12.5mg of iodine, which is very similar to the physiological dose of> iodine for sufficiency of the entire body (see Chapter 7 for more> information."

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nonie this is good to know. Now I just have to find out what

percentage mine is.

 

Merry Christmas, Roger B

 

 

On 25 Dec, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Nonie wrote:

 

> You can get Lugol's in 2 or 5%. The 5% is 1 drop = 6.25 mg. The

> pill form, Iodoral is 1 tablet = 12.5 mg.

>

>

>

> Nonie

>

>

[Guest guest]

5% lugols 1 drop = 6.25mg. 2 drops = 12.5 mg...the same as 1 tablet of Iodoral. 2% Lugols is also available and the difference is not something my math challeged brain can figure out. But, obviously need several drops of 2 % to get 12.5 mg.

 

 

Nonie> > I am aware that Iodoral is Lugol's in tablet form. My question is the> amount of iodine in a drop of Lugol's solution -- and whether or not> Dr. Brownstein is correct in what he wrote on p. 59 of his book that> two drops provide 12.5mg rather than about 500mcg. There is an> enormous difference between these two numbers. > > I doubt VERY MUCH that Dr. Brownstein is correct in what he wrote on> this particular matter. Or does one tablet of Iodoral (= 12.5mg)> contain the same amount of iodine as two drops of Lugol's solution?> > Duane Christensen>

[Guest guest]

5% lugols 1 drop = 6.25mg. 2 drops = 12.5 mg...

Interesting - I took about 20 drops per day for a whole bottles worth along with 200 mcg of daily selenium (and a bit more in the 75 trace elements and, on occasion, multivitamin). Only side effects I noticed were a couple of pimples. But I was not fighting cancer or otherwise detoxing anything serious as far as I know. Mainly just trying to get better overall energy and wellbeing.

oleander soup , Nonie <nmsammy wrote:>> > 5% lugols 1 drop = 6.25mg. 2 drops = 12.5 mg...the same as 1 tablet of Iodoral. 2% Lugols is also available and the difference is not something my math challeged brain can figure out. But, obviously need several drops of 2 % to get 12.5 mg.>

[Guest guest]

Hey Rodger are you in NZ?Then where in NZ did you find Lugols and how much did you pay as I can only get it from netpharmacy in aucklands parnell and a 500 ml bottle costs me about $140 and goes up everytime!!! I found talking to dr fruitless about Iodoral ,apparently never heard of it,or calcium-d-glucarate so have to get that from states....all these supps add up!....Pam NZ

 

-

Roger Barker

oleander soup

Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:49 AM

Re: Re: Iodine deficiency and prostate cancer

 

 

Hi Duane, I bought the Lugol's at a local health shop. I'm not familiar with Iodoral however upon searching the net I find it is only supplied on a medical prescription here in New Zealand as far as I can see.After the Christmas break I'll talk to a couple of local health care practitioners and see if they can help.Merry Christmas, Roger BOn 25 Dec, 2008, at 7:25 AM, Duane Christensen wrote:> Hi Roger,> Where did you get you Lugol's Solution and why are you using this> rather than Iodoral?>> Duane Christensen>

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Pam, yes I'm NZ based, living in the country outside Rotorua to

be exact. I called into a local health shop and asked for some

Lugol's solution. What they sold me is made by Natural Health

Laboratories Ltd of Auckland - www.vitalise.co.nz

On the label is says 7 - LUG so maybe this means it's a 7%

solution??? Anyway, it cost me $17.90 for 100mils so your price for

500mil seems a little steep.

 

Hope this is of some help.

 

Cheers, Roger

 

On 28 Dec, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Pam Griffin wrote:

 

>

> Hey Rodger are you in NZ?Then where in NZ did you find Lugols and

> how much did you pay as I can only get it from netpharmacy in

> aucklands parnell and a 500 ml bottle costs me about $140 and goes

> up everytime!!! I found talking to dr fruitless about

> Iodoral ,apparently never heard of it,or calcium-d-glucarate so

> have to get that from states....all these supps add up!....Pam NZ

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again Pam, small error with the url I just sent you, it should be

www.vitalize.co.nz

with a z and not an s, sorry

 

Cheers, Roger

 

 

On 28 Dec, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Pam Griffin wrote:

 

>

> Hey Rodger are you in NZ?Then where in NZ did you find Lugols and

> how much did you pay as I can only get it from netpharmacy in

> aucklands parnell and a 500 ml bottle costs me about $140 and goes

> up everytime!!! I found talking to dr fruitless about

> Iodoral ,apparently never heard of it,or calcium-d-glucarate so

> have to get that from states....all these supps add up!....Pam NZ

> -

> Roger Barker

> oleander soup

> Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:49 AM

> Re: Re: Iodine deficiency and prostate cancer

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for that Rodger,previously I had had such trouble finding it here at all.So that;ll be one supplement made a lot cheaper.cool...Pam

 

-

Roger Barker

oleander soup

Monday, December 29, 2008 12:57 PM

Re: Re: Iodine deficiency and prostate cancer

 

 

Hi Pam, yes I'm NZ based, living in the country outside Rotorua to be exact. I called into a local health shop and asked for some Lugol's solution. What they sold me is made by Natural Health Laboratories Ltd of Auckland - www.vitalise.co.nzOn the label is says 7 - LUG so maybe this means it's a 7% solution??? Anyway, it cost me $17.90 for 100mils so your price for 500mil seems a little steep.Hope this is of some help.Cheers, RogerOn 28 Dec, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Pam Griffin wrote:>> Hey Rodger are you in NZ?Then where in NZ did you find Lugols and > how much did you pay as I can only get it from netpharmacy in > aucklands parnell and a 500 ml bottle costs me about $140 and goes > up everytime!!! I found talking to dr fruitless about > Iodoral ,apparently never heard of it,or calcium-d-glucarate so > have to get that from states....all these supps add up!....Pam NZ>

 

 

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[Guest guest]

You're very welcome. Hope all goes well.

 

Happy New Year, Roger

 

 

On 30 Dec, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Pam Griffin wrote:

 

>

> thanks for that Rodger,previously I had had such trouble finding it

> here at all.So that;ll be one supplement made a lot cheaper.cool...Pam

> -

> Roger Barker

> oleander soup

> Monday, December 29, 2008 12:57 PM

> Re: Re: Iodine deficiency and prostate cancer

>

> Hi Pam, yes I'm NZ based, living in the country outside Rotorua to

> be exact. I called into a local health shop and asked for some

> Lugol's solution. What they sold me is made by Natural Health

> Laboratories Ltd of Auckland - www.vitalise.co.nz

> On the label is says 7 - LUG so maybe this means it's a 7%

> solution??? Anyway, it cost me $17.90 for 100mils so your price for

> 500mil seems a little steep.

>

> Hope this is of some help.

>

> Cheers, Roger

>

> On 28 Dec, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Pam Griffin wrote:

>

> >

> > Hey Rodger are you in NZ?Then where in NZ did you find Lugols and

> > how much did you pay as I can only get it from netpharmacy in

> > aucklands parnell and a 500 ml bottle costs me about $140 and goes

> > up everytime!!! I found talking to dr fruitless about

> > Iodoral ,apparently never heard of it,or calcium-d-glucarate so

> > have to get that from states....all these supps add up!....Pam NZ

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

In my quest to source some iodine here in New Zealand the best I've

come across so far states on the label that it contains 12.5 grams of

iodine and 16.6 grams of potassium iodine per litre. Can anyone tell

me if this is a suitable mixture and if so how much would need to be

taken to give 50mg per day?

 

Many thanks, Roger

Rotorua, NZ

 

 

On 25 Dec, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Tony wrote:

 

 

5% lugols 1 drop = 6.25mg. 2 drops = 12.5 mg...

 

Interesting - I took about 20 drops per day for a whole bottles worth

along with 200 mcg of daily selenium (and a bit more in the 75 trace

elements and, on occasion, multivitamin). Only side effects I noticed

were a couple of pimples. But I was not fighting cancer or otherwise

detoxing anything serious as far as I know. Mainly just trying to

get better overall energy and wellbeing.

 

 

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