Report on Lab Tests w/ Sutherlandia OPC and prostate cancer

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I started using Sutherlandia OPC (plus IP-6) on July 25, 2008. I added

the Budwig FOCC Protocol on September 17, 2008, and have now followed

it daily for the past nine weeks.

 

I have been in email conversation with Marc Swanepoel and have learned

MUCH from him. I believe that Sutherlandia OPC is a major factor in

the improvement of my numbers these past four months. Here are the

results of my blood tests for a blood draw on 11.11.08 at Alta Bates

Cancer Center (Berkeley). I am encouraged with my numbers, which

indicate significant progress in the relatively brief period of time

that I have been using Sutherlandia OPC.

 

Date | PSA | % fPSA | PSADT | Tst | DHT | E2 | T/E2 | T/DHT

Range | <4.0 | >20% | >2.51 | >500 |30-80 |<70|| >55 | >10

 

01/24/08 | 26.2 | 10.0 | 2.32 | 0709 | 102 | 24.0 | 29.5 | 07.0

07/22/08 | 31.3 | 07.9 | 2.28 | 1550 | 238 | 25.0 | 62.0 | 06.5

09/23/08 | 25.0 | 09.5 | 2.66 | 0916 | 163 | 26.0 | 35.2 | 05.6

11/11/08 | 22.9 | 10.3 | 2.87 | 0573 | ~95 | 18.0 | 31.8 | 06.0?

 

My PSA dropped from 31.3 (7/22/08) to 25.0 (9/23/08) and then to 22.9

(11/11/08) and my % Free PSA went up from 7.9% to 10.3% in this time

period. The movement of both of these numbers is positive.

 

My PSA doubling time (PSADT) at the time of my diagnosis of PCA in

June 2006 was 2.51 years. At the time of my diagnosis on 6/26/06 my

PSA was 14.9 and that was 29 months ago.

 

You will note the question mark in the matter of my serum DHT number.

LabCorp did not do the test as requested by my oncologist, so that

number is a guess on my part, based in part on my saliva DHT results

with a number of >125 [ref. range = 39-89] for a specimen submitted to

Diagnos-Techs on Nov. 3, 2008.

 

Duane Christensen

 

Dx 6/06 @ 68, bPSA 14.9, bPSADT 2.51 yrs, T2c Gl 3+3 {reread 4+3 @

Johns Hopkins} || ADT (5 mns) & chemo (2 mns) -- aborted 11.16.06) ||

Protocel 19 mns (11.1.06 – 6.13.08) || Laetrile (1.11.08 – 5.16.08);

Essiac Tea, IP-6, Flax Hull Lignans (6/08); Sutherlandia OPC

(7.25.08); Budwig FOCC + citrus pectin (9.17.08) & Ayurstate (10.2.08).

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That is great, Duane! I really love seeing these good reports coming in!I am sure too that the OPC has a lot to do with the positive trend in your numbers and I also think that the Inositol/IP6 and Budwig diet help too. It takes a good overall protocol to have the best chances of success and you appear to be on the right track!Keep us posted.All the best,TonyHTML clipboard

 

 

 

 

--- In oleander soup , "Duane Christensen" <duanechristensen wrote:>> I started using Sutherlandia OPC (plus IP-6) on July 25, 2008. I added> the Budwig FOCC Protocol on September 17, 2008, and have now followed> it daily for the past nine weeks.> > I have been in email conversation with Marc Swanepoel and have learned> MUCH from him. I believe that Sutherlandia OPC is a major factor in> the improvement of my numbers these past four months. Here are the> results of my blood tests for a blood draw on 11.11.08 at Alta Bates> Cancer Center (Berkeley). I am encouraged with my numbers, which> indicate significant progress in the relatively brief period of time> that I have been using Sutherlandia OPC.> > Date | PSA | % fPSA | PSADT | Tst | DHT | E2 | T/E2 | T/DHT> Range | <4.0 | >20% | >2.51 | >500 |30-80 |<70|| >55 | >10> > 01/24/08 | 26.2 | 10.0 | 2.32 | 0709 | 102 | 24.0 | 29.5 | 07.0> 07/22/08 | 31.3 | 07.9 | 2.28 | 1550 | 238 | 25.0 | 62.0 | 06.5> 09/23/08 | 25.0 | 09.5 | 2.66 | 0916 | 163 | 26.0 | 35.2 | 05.6> 11/11/08 | 22.9 | 10.3 | 2.87 | 0573 | ~95 | 18.0 | 31.8 | 06.0?> > My PSA dropped from 31.3 (7/22/08) to 25.0 (9/23/08) and then to 22.9> (11/11/08) and my % Free PSA went up from 7.9% to 10.3% in this time> period. The movement of both of these numbers is positive.> > My PSA doubling time (PSADT) at the time of my diagnosis of PCA in> June 2006 was 2.51 years. At the time of my diagnosis on 6/26/06 my> PSA was 14.9 and that was 29 months ago.> > You will note the question mark in the matter of my serum DHT number.> LabCorp did not do the test as requested by my oncologist, so that> number is a guess on my part, based in part on my saliva DHT results> with a number of >125 [ref. range = 39-89] for a specimen submitted to> Diagnos-Techs on Nov. 3, 2008.> > Duane Christensen> > Dx 6/06 @ 68, bPSA 14.9, bPSADT 2.51 yrs, T2c Gl 3+3 {reread 4+3 @> Johns Hopkins} || ADT (5 mns) & chemo (2 mns) -- aborted 11.16.06) ||> Protocel 19 mns (11.1.06 – 6.13.08) || Laetrile (1.11.08 – 5.16.08);> Essiac Tea, IP-6, Flax Hull Lignans (6/08); Sutherlandia OPC> (7.25.08); Budwig FOCC + citrus pectin (9.17.08) & Ayurstate (10.2.08).>

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Duane,Thank you for sharing this marvelous testimony. You have started my day off on a wonderful note. Please keep us apprised of your progress.Hugs,

 

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That is good news. Just my two cents, but I believe that while it is likely that more than one thing is contributing, from the dates you posted for your tests and the dates you began the various things you do it appears pretty clear that oleander is what turned the time from the time you began taking it after your highest numbers - and thus the drop from 31.3 to 25.0 between 7/22/08 and 9/23/08.

You had been taking Laetrile since January and the numbers had still increased in the next test in June and again in the July results. Likewise you had taken Essaic, Flax Hull Lignans and IP6 for sometime in June until the July 23rd tests and the numbers had increased by a significant amount - though I will grant you that you had not taken them very long at the time. You did not begin Budwig on the other hand until only a couple of weeks before your first measured decrease, making it an unlikely candidate for much of the improvement.

Ergo, it appears that the two months of oleander likely played a very large role in turning the tide - without discounting the supporting and perhaps synergistic roles of the rest of what you do. Which is what I would expect.

Here's hoping and expecting we continue to see more good reports!

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oleander soup , "Duane Christensen" <duanechristensen wrote:>> I got my cardiologist to include a PSA test with my regular lipid> panel so I have a further report of progress. Here are my numbers for> the past twelve months:> > Date || PSA || PSA doubling time> > 01/24/08 || 25.0 || 2.39 years> 06/10/08 || 26.6 || 2.29> 07/22/08 || 31.3 || 2.28> 09/23/08 || 25.0 || 2.66> 11/11/08 || 22.9 || 2.87> 12/11/08 || 21.3 || 3.04> > I started taking Sutherlandia OPC [plus IP-6] on 7/25/08 immediately> after getting the news of the highest PSA score I had yet received on> blood drawn on 7/22/08. I have taken the product now for almost five> months and the progress is steady in the right direction. I am> scheduled for a pelvic MRI in January to see what it shows so far as> the cancer is concerned.> > I am doing other things as well [including Essiac Tea, Laetrile> maintenance therapy, and Budwig FOCC (flax oil + cottage cheese)] so> it is not possible to know for sure exactly what is responsible for what. > > Duane Christensen> > Dx 6/06 @ 68, bPSA 14.9, bPSADT 2.51 yrs, T2c Gl 3+3 {reread 4+3 @> Johns Hopkins} | ADT (5 mns) + chemo (2 mns) aborted 11.16.06 |> Protocel 19 mns (11/06-6/08) | Laetrile (1/08); w/ Essiac Tea, IP-6,> Flax Hull Lignans (6/08); Sutherlandia OPC (7/08); Budwig FOCC +> citrus pectin (9/08); & Ayurstate (10.2.08).>

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This is great news! Keep up the good work and thanks for the updates. Oleander as well as other herbs are working!!!!!

 

Melly

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Tony,

 

Thank you for your good words (below). You may be right in your

conclusions about the effectiveness of the Sutherlandia OPC in this

instance, but it is difficult to say anything for sure at this point

in time because of the fact that I underwent ADT (androgen deprivation

therapy) before I chose to go a different direction in November 2006.

 

I gave you only the PSA numbers because that is just about all one has

to go by in terms of a cancer marker when it comes to prostate cancer.

Let me give you a bit more data show you see the picture more clearly.

 

When I was diagnosed with PCa by needle biopsy on 6/26/06 my PSA was

14.9 – with six prior PSA tests, as follows:

 

Date | PSA | PSADT (doubling time)

Ref. | <4.0 | >2.51

 

08/02/00 | 04.2

02/16/01 | 04.7

09/10/01 | 03.4

04/25/02 | 04.7 baseline

09/17/02 | 04.7

05/19/03 | 05.5 |

03/29/06 | 13.9 | 2.51 years

06/29/06 | 14.9 | 2.51 3-month injection of Zoladex

 

You will note that when I had my first PSA test August 2, 2000, I

already had a PSA above the reference range. When I went back for my

2nd PSA test February 16, 2001, I did so because a younger brother had

just had a prostatectomy for PCa. Consequently, I had a biopsy

performed that came back negative. There was no evidence of cancer

even though my PSA at 4.7 was elevated. My PSA remained more or less

constant at about 4.7 for some months. I thus selected the second of

my 4.7 PSA scores on 4/25/02 as my baseline and simply plugged in the

numbers in the PSA calculator to get the PSADT (doubling time). See:

 

http://www.pcngcincinnati.org/psa/index.htm

 

The PSA doubling time at the time of my PSA test of 13.9 on 3/29/06

was thus 2.51 years. Assuming that the doubling time remained the

same, the calculator indicates that my PSA was probably 14.9 at the

time of my biopsy on 6/26/06 (and the Zoladex injection on 6/29/06).

PSA tends to rise almost exponentially with PCa, so my assumption that

the doubling time is constant is very conservative.

 

Now notice what happened with my PSA as a result of ADT (androgen

deprivation therapy), which also lowered my testosterone to castrate

level.

 

07/25/06 | 05.9

08/11/06 | 02.0

09/07/06 3-month injection of Lupron

10/03/06 | 00.9

11/16/06 aborted ADT (and chemo)

01/04/07 | 00.24

 

My PSA dropped quickly to near zero, but this does not mean that

cancer as such was removed. I asked my urologist at the time how long

it would take for my body to recover from those two injections

(Zoladex and Lupron) and learned that it would take 18-24 months. His

estimate proved to be accurate, as my subsequent PSA tests reveal:

 

05/22/07 | 01.8

06/01/07 started testosterone replacement

06/29/07 | 04.8

08/14/07 | 07.2

10/23/07 | 16.8

11/27/07 | 18.2

01/02/08 | 19.4

01/24/08 | 25.0 | 2.39

 

If one assumes a constant PSADT (doubling time) of 2.51 years, my PSA

would have been 22.7 but it was 25.0, which indicates that the cancer

was still present and apparently growing at a more rapid rate than it

was at the time of diagnosis 19 months earlier.

 

I left the country for a four-month residency in Jerusalem at that

point in time, and I complicated the matter further by going on

Avodart temporarily to control my DHT level, which had spiked along

with my testosterone as a result of the gel-cream I was using. I was

in Jerusalem from February 9 through June 7, 2008. Here are my numbers

after then:

 

Date | PSA | PSADT (doubling time)

Ref. | <4.0 | >2.51

 

02/12/08 started taking Avodart to control DHT

03/11/08 | 20.9 | 2.73

04/30/08 stopped taking Avodart [after 79 days]

06/10/08 | 26.6 | 2.29

07/22/08 | 31.3 | 2.28

07/31/08 went back on Avodart to control DHT

08/16/08 stopped taking Avodart [after 16 days]

09/02/08 | 20.6 | 2.98

09/23/08 | 25.0 | 2.66

11/11/08 | 22.9 | 2.87

12/11/08 | 21.3 | 3.04

 

One thing is clear: Avodart lowers PSA, but does not get rid of the

cancer.

 

My PSADT (doubling time) reached its lowest point of 2.28 years on

7/22/08 when my PSA peaked at 31.3. If I were to assume a doubling

time of 2.51 years at that time, my PSA would have been 26.4. None of

the PSA tests since then have reached 26.4, so it would appear that

the rate of growth of the cancer has slowed down. I apparently turned

the corner, as it were, sometime between July 22 and September 23. It

is interesting to note the fact that this coincides almost exactly to

my urologists prediction so far as my body getting the results of the

ADT (androgen deprivation therapy) out of my system -- that is, about

24 months after my last Lupron injection on September 7, 2006.

 

I was on Laetrile (Vitamin B17) therapy January 11 thru May 16, 2008,

and I am still on maintenance therapy consuming 3 heaping teaspoons of

ground apricot kernels every morning with my barley flakes cereal (and

a level teaspoon of cinnamon). I stopped using Protocel and switched

to Essiac Tea, IP-6, and Flax Hull Lignans on June 20. I then added

Sutherlandia OPC on July 25, after my disappointing PSA count of 31.3

on July 22. I subsequently added the Budwig FOCC (flax oil & cottage

cheese) on 9/17/08 and Ayurstate on 10/2/08.

 

Something is causing my PSA to go down, but it is not altogether clear

what that is, nor is it yet clear exactly what this means. If I were

to assume a PSADT (doubling time) of 2.51 years, my PSA on 12/11/08

would be 29.4 rather than 21.3.

 

I am scheduled to get an MRI of the pelvis on January 5, 2009, to get

some idea of what is going on in my body so far as the cancer is

concerned. My oncologist wants to do a bone scan as well, but I am

unwilling to expose myself to that kind of radiation at this point in

time. I may be able to persuade my oncologist to do a color doppler

sonogram but the Alta Bates Comprehensive Cancer Center (Berkeley)

does not have that testing equipment.

 

We will just have to take one step at a time and see what happens. At

this point in time, I tend to agree with your assessment that the

Sutherlandia OPC is an important contributor to the progress that I am

apparently making in my struggle with prostate cancer.

 

Duane Christensen

 

Dx 6.26.06 @ 68, bPSA 14.9, bPSADT 2.51 yrs, T2c Gl 3+3 {reread 4+3 @

Johns Hopkins} | ADT (5 mns) + chemo (2 mns) aborted 11.16.06 |

Protocel 19 mns (11.1.06-6.14.08) | Laetrile (1.11-5.16.08); w/ Essiac

Tea, IP-6, Flax Hull Lignans (6.20.08); Sutherlandia OPC (7.25.08);

Budwig FOCC + citrus pectin (9.17.08); & Ayurstate (10.2.08).

 

 

*****

 

That is good news. Just my two cents, but I believe that while it is

likely that more than one thing is contributing, from the dates you

posted for your tests and the dates you began the various things you

do it appears pretty clear that oleander is what turned the time from

the time you began taking it after your highest numbers - and thus the

drop from 31.3 to 25.0 between 7/22/08 and 9/23/08.

 

You had been taking Laetrile since January and the numbers had still

increased in the next test in June and again in the July results.

Likewise you had taken Essaic, Flax Hull Lignans and IP6 for sometime

in June until the July 23rd tests and the numbers had increased by a

significant amount - though I will grant you that you had not taken

them very long at the time. You did not begin Budwig on the other

hand until only a couple of weeks before your first measured decrease,

making it an unlikely candidate for much of the improvement.

 

Ergo, it appears that the two months of oleander likely played a very

large role in turning the tide - without discounting the supporting

and perhaps synergistic roles of the rest of what you do. Which is

what I would expect.

 

Here's hoping and expecting we continue to see more good reports!

 

Tony

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Duane -

Thanks for the added info. Just to be sure you have the best chances of permanent success, you ARE taking iodine and a bit of selenium, right?

oleander soup , "Duane Christensen" <duanechristensen wrote:>> Tony,> > Thank you for your good words . . .

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Tony, what Iodine product do you recommend?

 

Steve--- On Thu, 12/18/08, Tony wrote:

Tony Re: Report on Lab Tests w/ Sutherlandia OPC and prostate canceroleander soup Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 2:19 PM

 

 

 

Duane -

Thanks for the added info. Just to be sure you have the best chances of permanent success, you ARE taking iodine and a bit of selenium, right?

oleander soup, "Duane Christensen" <duanechristensen@ ...> wrote:>> Tony,> > Thank you for your good words . . .

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Tony,

 

Yes, I am supplementing with both Iodine and Selenium. I am in the

process of updating my " Patient Medication List " for my files at Alta

Bates Comprehensive Cancer Center. I will also post this updated list

in the Files Section of my own :

 

http://health.living_with_prostatecancer/

 

I have been using Magnascent Iodine for about a year now. In addition

I take 2 capsules daily of Algazim (Norwegian Fjord kel) that includes

450 mcg of Iodine.

 

I am currently taking one 200 mcg capsule of Selenium (Albion amino

acid complex).

 

Duane Christensen

 

*****

 

Patient Medication List -- Duane Christensen 12/18/2008

 

Medication Dose & Directions for Use

 

Algazim (425mg caps) 850mg Norwegian Fjord Kelp [450mcg Iodine]

Ayurstate (500mg caps) 2 caps daily

Boron (tri-boron complex/3mg) 3mg tab daily

Calcium & Magnesium (powder) 2 tsp daily / 400mg Calcium & 400mg Magnesium

Calcium Gluconate (240mg) 480mg calcium 2x daily

Cal II or Cal Lactate dosage varies w/ test numbers

 

Cinnamon Product 1 tsp in hot barley flakes cereal (1/2 cup) with 3

heaping tsp ground apricot kernels & dried fruit daily

 

Cod Liver Oil (emulsified) 1 tblsp 2x daily w/ ½ tsp Phytosterol

Complex, ½ tsp Saw Palmetto, 300 mg Resveratrol Compolex, 300mg DIM, &

500mg Strontium Citrate & 1 tsp Curcumin (Tumeric)

 

CoQ10 (400mg caps) 400mg capsule w/ Bioperine | Doctor's Best

Curcumin (Tumeric) see Cod Liver Oil above

DHEA (100mg caps) dosage varies w/ test numbers {suspended}

DIM (powder) see Cod Liver Oil

EpiCor (500mg caps) 50mg capsule daily

Essiac Tea (4 herb blend) 2 oz. 4x daily

Flax Hull Lignans 1 tsp daily in a.m.

 

Flax oil (2 tblsp) & cottage cheese (1/2 cup) emulsified and mixed

with chopped walnuts, fresh fruit & 2 tblsp freshly ground flaxseed +

a scoop of citrus pectin powder

 

IP-6 ½ tsp 2x daily on empty stomach

Klor-Con 8 (potassium chlor.) 1 tab daily {until prescription expires}

Magnascent Iodine 6-9 drops daily in ¼ cup distilled water

Melatonin (5mg tabs) 4 tabs (= 20mg) in p.m.

Min-Col (324 mg caps) – 3 caps 2x daily = 1944 mg [648mg Calcium]

Phytosterol Complex see Cod Liver Oil above

Pregnenolone (25mg tabs) 25mg tab daily in a.m.

Progesterone cream dosage varies w/ test numbers {suspended}

Resveratrol see Cod Liver Oil above

Saw Palmetto see Cod Liver Oil above

Selenium (200mcg caps) 200mcg capsule (Albion amino acid complex)

Strontium Citrate see Cod Liver Oil above

Sutherlandia OPC 1 tsp 3x daily | plan to switch to capsules

Testosterone gel-cream dosage varies w/ test numbers {suspended}

 

Vitamin A emulsified (part of Laetrile therapy)| {suspended}

Vitamin B3 (Niacin) amount varies (titrated from 100-1500mg caps)

Vitamin B6 50mg capsule (Activated B6)

Vitamin B9 Folic Acid 1600mcg 2 capsules

Vitamin B12 500mcg capsule (Activated B12) 2x daily

Vitamin B17 Laetrile maintenance | see Cinnamon product above

Vitamin C 1300mg ¼ tps Pure Radiance C & 3 1000mg packets

Vitamin D3 5,000 IU 2x daily

Vitamin E 400 IU (d-alpha, d-beta, d-delta & d-gamma tocopherols)

Vitamin K (K1 + K2) K2 1100mcg + K1 1000mcg | LifeExtension

 

Zinc (Opti-L-zinc / 30mg) 1 cap daily on empty stomach

 

 

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

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> Duane -

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> Thanks for the added info. Just to be sure you have the best chances of

> permanent success, you ARE taking iodine and a bit of selenium, right?

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