My mom

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So sorry to hear your mom is going thru this..........

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Hello, I'm new to this group.

My mom is in her last days of breast cancer that metastasized to her bones. She

originally

went to Mexico to hospital Santa Monica and got better. 4 years later it

metastasized and she

decided to go the conventional treatments. I'm in the hospital right now because

her

oncologist gave her only " days " to live. Yesterday they gave her blood and

platelets; this

morning she was alert and surprisingly better. Our hope was that she would

improve enough

to take her to a alternative clinic. We just found out her kidneys are failing

now - I'm sure

because of the chemo and radiation. She is 73 years old.

If anyone out there knows of ANYTHING I can do (in addition to praying) for her

I would

appreciate it very much.

 

Thank you

Leonard Bedoian

 

I wish I had found this group long ago - thanks for being here

[Guest guest]

Leonard, I wish you had found us sooner and there was more that I

could do too, but we can still try and pray for the best.

 

First of all, beyond prayer, there really is no way to help your mom

while she is in a hospital and it seems scant time to get her anything

to help her if she really has only days left given delivery times.

 

Do you have access to pesticide free oleander where you could make her

some oleander extract according to the exact directions here in our

files section?

 

If the hospital were to release her, perhaps we have one or more

members close by who could share a bit of their oleander and other

anti-cancer protocol items with your mom? What area do you live in?

 

Is she able to eat without feeding tubes or the like? If it were me I

would try to get her home and try to get her on as much of the

anti-cancer protocol as possible and tolerable, along with a lot of

carrot juice and perhaps a good herbal kidney support product if her

kidneys have not completely failed. I have heard that the product

Kidneywell is a good one, as is Dr. Shulze's Kidney Tea and

Kidney/Bladder formula, juniper berries and watermelon - but I am just

casting in the dark when it comes to kidneys.

 

Oleander needs time to work, as really does anything. Even so, it,

inositol/IP6, and colloidal silver will all begin to help rebuild

immune and other systems and battle the cancer.

 

We can only pray that somehow, someway she will have the time and

ability for help to begin, and then pray again after that.

 

Never underestimate the power of prayer though, and you and your mom

certainly are in my prayers.

 

DQ

 

oleander soup , " leonardbedoian "

<leonardbedoian wrote:

>

> Hello, I'm new to this group.

> My mom is in her last days of breast cancer that metastasized to her

bones. She originally

> went to Mexico to hospital Santa Monica and got better. 4 years

later it metastasized and she

> decided to go the conventional treatments. I'm in the hospital right

now because her

> oncologist gave her only " days " to live. Yesterday they gave her

blood and platelets; this

> morning she was alert and surprisingly better. Our hope was that she

would improve enough

> to take her to a alternative clinic. We just found out her kidneys

are failing now - I'm sure

> because of the chemo and radiation. She is 73 years old.

> If anyone out there knows of ANYTHING I can do (in addition to

praying) for her I would

> appreciate it very much.

>

> Thank you

> Leonard Bedoian

>

> I wish I had found this group long ago - thanks for being here

>

[Guest guest]

Leonard,

 

My prayers go out to you and your mom. I know of your pain. My mom

went through somewhat of the same thing, and at the time I also knew

nothing of alternative measures.

 

We are here to support you during this time.

 

Warmest regards,

 

oleander soup , " leonardbedoian "

<leonardbedoian wrote:

>

> Hello, I'm new to this group.

> My mom is in her last days of breast cancer that metastasized to her

bones. She originally

> went to Mexico to hospital Santa Monica and got better. 4 years later

it metastasized and she

> decided to go the conventional treatments. I'm in the hospital right

now because her

> oncologist gave her only " days " to live. Yesterday they gave her blood

and platelets; this

> morning she was alert and surprisingly better. Our hope was that she

would improve enough

> to take her to a alternative clinic. We just found out her kidneys are

failing now - I'm sure

> because of the chemo and radiation. She is 73 years old.

> If anyone out there knows of ANYTHING I can do (in addition to

praying) for her I would

> appreciate it very much.

>

> Thank you

> Leonard Bedoian

>

> I wish I had found this group long ago - thanks for being here

>

[Guest guest]

Very sorry to hear of this trial - saying a prayer for you and your mother.

 

sr--- On Wed, 11/12/08, May <luellamay129 wrote:

May <luellamay129 Re: My momoleander soup Received: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 11:44 PM

 

 

Leonard,My prayers go out to you and your mom. I know of your pain. My momwent through somewhat of the same thing, and at the time I also knewnothing of alternative measures.We are here to support you during this time.Warmest regards,oleander soup, "leonardbedoian"<leonardbedoian@ ...> wrote:>> Hello, I'm new to this group.> My mom is in her last days of breast cancer that metastasized to herbones. She originally> went to Mexico to hospital Santa Monica and got better. 4 years laterit metastasized and she> decided to go the conventional treatments. I'm in the hospital rightnow because her> oncologist gave her only "days" to live. Yesterday they gave her bloodand platelets; this> morning she was alert and surprisingly better. Our

hope was that shewould improve enough> to take her to a alternative clinic. We just found out her kidneys arefailing now - I'm sure> because of the chemo and radiation. She is 73 years old.> If anyone out there knows of ANYTHING I can do (in addition topraying) for her I would> appreciate it very much.>> Thank you> Leonard Bedoian>> I wish I had found this group long ago - thanks for being here>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Leonard,

 

I too am new to the group, and I want to express to you my sympathy for what you

and

your mother are now undergoing. I was diagnosed with breast cancer and have

been

doing a number of alternative/complementary things which friends and internet

research

have brought to my attention. I won't go into those except to tell you about

Tong Ren.

 

Tong Ren is a healing system developed by Tom Tam who is in the Boston area. He

combines the diagnosis of Western medicine with Traditional .

You can

go to his website and also go to Youtube and type " Tong Ren " in the search and

will see

some videos on his method.

 

His theory is that cancer is caused in blockages along the acupuncture

meridians. Tong

Ren practitioners attempt to remove the blockage through acupuncture and tui na

massage -- there are other ways to remove the blockages. There are other

aspects of this

healing including sessions where practitioners tap on an acupuncture doll with a

magnetic

hammer -- Tom theorizes that this removes blockages because it works through the

collective unconscious. (I haven't read much about the collective unconscious

since I was

20 and am now 71 but I think it is somewhat anaologous to the 100th monkey

concept).

 

Several weeks ago I attended a Tong Ren seminar in New York City and also

learned about

discing and the tens machine, the laser and Pi Gu fasting -- all of which are

part of the

Tong Ren therapy. In this instance, I was able to actually feel the effects of

tapping on the

doll. My son does the Tong Ren tapping for me and I have also had two sessions

of

distance tapping (which were pretty amazing) as well the acupuncture which is

quite

different from traditional acupuncture in that I felt more as though I had had a

lomi lomi

massage. The person that I have gone to here in Washington D.C. is Dawit

Assefa who

studied under Tom Tam and the person I have had distance treatments from in New

York

is Anubha Boudouris.

 

I want to mention to you that Tom Tam has reversed cancer in people who are on

their

deattbed -- you can hear about this on his DVD. I would be going to Boston

every

weekend if I could afford it and if I did not have to catch the

train/bus/subway etc., which

is very stressful since I also have fibromyalgia. Dawit stresses relaxation

for cancer

victims.

 

There are no Tong Ren groups active in this area -- one will be starting up

again in

January in Silver Spring, Maryland -- not far from Washington, D.C. . I would

like to get

certified to be able to bring this therapy to Washington, D.C. to help people

with cancer. I

am a Reiki III and have also done one level of Reconnective Healing. (I had a

powerful

experience with The Reconnection -- and perhaps this will help your mom.) One

thing

that is similar with the doll tapping and Reiki is that one feels a great deal

of heat. Often I

do not feel the heat when my son is doing the tapping on the doll because I

think his

mind is preoccupied -- he has ADD. It has been said that it is good to get a

child to tap.

the discing is also supposed to be very powerful but it requires three people.

You could

email Anubha about this-- she is very helpful (She said that she found Tong Ren

more

powerful than Reiki.)

 

Now, what else did I want to tell you? Oh, yes, sometimes there are spiritual

healers who

can work miracles. Actually, I received some information from an internet

friend who saw

the " energy " around my lump and explained to me what was going on. Through

applyijng

forgivness along the lines of that endorsed in " A Course In Miracles,' I did

experience

some profound changes in the lump. Brandon Bays is a writer who also helped

me to

understand some of the emotional underpinnings of my cancer.

 

There seems to be something else I want to tell you, but it has slipped my mind

and I have

been at this a while and need to do my protocols -- oh yes, now I remember.

There is a

CD by Adam Dream Healer -- look it up on Google. It has some very good

visualizations

and I am using them. At the beginning I consulted Paul Winter on

alternative.cancer. us

to determine what I should take. He suggested Paw Paw which I could easiily

accept since

I was familiar with the fruit. I also take Wobenzyme and have now included

Zyflamend. I

just can't seem to figure out how to get to oleander soup, however, as I said, I

am new to

the list.

 

Now, I just have to put the links on this page for you -- for Tong Ren -- you

can find

youtube on your own.

 

http://www.tomtam.com/

(Google Tong Ren too to get other links)

 

Oh yes, one final thing -- if I think of others, I'll write later. If you go to

Dr. Sha's website,

he has a book entitled " Soul, Mind, Body Medicine. " In this book are many of

his healing

techniques, and I use some of them, but especially his Chi Gong exercises for

cancer, etc.

The one on knee pain has really helped me. Also you may want to look up Dr.

Hamer's

New German Medicine (I corroborated that my cancer dated back to an emotional

upset

over my younger son's distress-- and I think there is value in it.

 

However, I think that Tong Ren therapy may be able to save your mother and then

she can

go on to the oleander soup and other diet and lifestyle modifications.

 

I send you my heartfelt wishes for your mother's recovery and blessings for your

devotion

to her.

 

Love,

 

 

Leatha

 

PS. Please excuse any errors -- don't have time to rerread...if you call Anubha

who is

listed under practitioners, she can help you more and also do distant Tong Ren

healing

....although I think the Guinea Pig Class is more effective but I did feel a

difference with

Anubha and Dawit's healing...

 

oleander soup , " leonardbedoian " <leonardbedoian

wrote:

>

> Hello, I'm new to this group.

> My mom is in her last days of breast cancer that metastasized to her bones.

She

originally

> went to Mexico to hospital Santa Monica and got better. 4 years later it

metastasized and

she

> decided to go the conventional treatments. I'm in the hospital right now

because her

> oncologist gave her only " days " to live. Yesterday they gave her blood and

platelets; this

> morning she was alert and surprisingly better. Our hope was that she would

improve

enough

> to take her to a alternative clinic. We just found out her kidneys are failing

now - I'm

sure

> because of the chemo and radiation. She is 73 years old.

> If anyone out there knows of ANYTHING I can do (in addition to praying) for

her I would

> appreciate it very much.

>

> Thank you

> Leonard Bedoian

>

> I wish I had found this group long ago - thanks for being here

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Leatha, Leonard, and All,

 

I have been a member of this site for almost a year. I mostly read and LEARN!! I have made a few postings concerning my dog who has miraculously made it to 17 1/2 years. However, the reason I joined this group was to learn more after hearing of a good friends diagnosis of colorectal cancer. I would like to share this story in hopes that it may help someone.

 

My friend is a 49 year old male who started with some rectal bleeding in October 2007. He did not address this until December 2007. At this time he had a biopsy which confirmed that he had colorectal cancer. He was admitted into a study with one of the top hospitals where he would have radiation administered 5 days/wk and wear a chemo pack which was the "new" part for the study. At the end of three months treatment would stop and within a month after that there was a 90% chance of him receiving a colostomy bag during surgery due to the fact that the tumor was right on the muscle. he was told that when all was done, he would have a 66% chance of living 5 years. i started my research which led me to oleander. I did mention it to our friend but it he didn't seem open to it. He began this protocol right after Christmas and continued with no major symptoms until February 2009. During this time period he was reading and exploring all manners of natural medicine. In fact, on one of his appointments for radiation he ran into another patient who told him about Tom Tam. When he arrived home to tell his wife about it she was blown away because she had run into an acquaintence that very day who also told her about Tom Tam. At the end of that week we had all gotten together with another couple and they relayed this to us. They were again surprised when they heard that both my husband and myself know Tom. We both had taken Tai Chi at his place for years. My husband had also taken his classes on Tu Nai massage and Tong Ren. The next week our friend started to see Tom for private and group sessions. While on a walk with his 9 y.o. daughter he felt like he was having a heart attack. They made it back to the house and he was rushed to the hospital where he was told he had to be dropped from the study. It was not a heart attack but the chemo was causing distress. However, he was able to stay in the hospital and receive chemo in a more traditional manner. On the same day he arrived he began the other chemo and finally could no longer take it. He said he felt as if his insides, all his organ were be burned by the poison. Much to his wife's dismay, the doctor's obeyed and he stopped chemo. He went home but continued with the radiation 5 days/wk and seeing Tom Tam.

 

When the radiation was complete it was time to see the doctor and plan the surgery. Tom Tam would love it if there was no chemo done but he always adamant about "no Cut!" (no surgery). During the consult, my friend asked the doctor for extra time to explore natural ways to beat this. The doctor was not happy about it but gave him 2 extra weeks on top of the month ahead. My friend continued with Tom and even went to his other locations, so that he was seena total of 3 times a week with one of those being a private. At the end of April (the time the surgery was originally supposed to have happened), he passed what he thought might have been the tumor while using the bathroom. Early may he was fitted for the colostomy bag and received a cat scan and a blood test to measure the cancer. The scan only showed scar tissue from the biopsy. The blood test showed no cancer!! The next day he went in for an in deoth scope (sorry, the name of it alludes me). The results came back. He was cancer free!! Here is the shocker........ The physician still wanted to do the surgery!!! It was protocol. My friend was torn and finally spoke up. He said he was not going to do the surgery. The doctor was extremely upset. But after they talked for sometime he said that he would agree to treat him as a patient who did have the surgery and monitor my friend with testing. At the end of June my friend again went to be tested. Still cancer free. Again in september....still cancer Free!!! All this time he has been seeing Tom Tam and it is really the ONLY natural change he has made for more than 2 weeks since this process began.

 

Now, if it were me, I would be doing all you suggest here on this site and Tom Tam. For many, Tom Tam is WAYYYYY out there. But I have met him, and he is a little 4 ft. chinese man who has been dedicated to his work for more than 20 years. i have been to his group classes and heard may speak about their day at the doctor whre they too have been told that the cancer is gone. If interested go onto www.tomtam.com dana farber has taken notice!! Their first study got a thumbs up and they will continue with more. I apologize sincerely for this being so long. I think this is why I have not told the story yet. However, I felt that to get the full picture, you needed details. My Best to you All!!

 

Kelly

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Leonard,

 

PM her full name and if you can pic of her and I will pray my heart out

these next few days for her, please send me her details.

 

At the eleventh hour as they say, you can still try things, maybe

Latrile intravenously, I heard of Dr Clarks zapper and purchased one,

you may try that as she doesn't have to ingest anything, prayer of

course is good.

 

Of course there are thing that she can do but all need ingesting

juices, supplements or one kind or another. I know your pain brother,

my mum went from one dose of morphine to the next waking up inbetween

in pain, she passed away in my arms, something I pray you will not go

through, again PM me.

 

G

[Guest guest]

Thank you George and all for your responses. I have been unable to access the

group from

the hospital. My moms name is Harriet Bedoian and we are in Fresno California at

St

Agnes hospital. Fresno seems to have a TON of conventional cancer centers

pouring out

chemo and radiation treatments. Right now she can barely take a few sips of

water

through a straw, but our hope is that will improve and we will get her out of

there and

back home to try our best with OPC (which I have ordered) I had some polyMVA

from a

long time ago when she first was diagnosed but she couldn't drink it today - we

tried

putting it in her juice and then water and even tried rubbing it on her

(desperate, I know

but you do all that you can right?) Her last radiation treatments affected her

esophagus

which is why I believe she can't swallow anything well. My dad and family are

all on board

to take care of her at home if we can get her there and I just picked up and

dropped off

my sister who is spending the night with my dad and mom in the hospital. My mom

is still

pretty aware and recognized my sister and understands everyone but can't respond

well

because she's so weak. Currently she is on an IV drip that has sodium

bicarbonate in it to

get her a little more alkaline and they give her and antibiotic as well as

Decadron for pain

(it puts her right out even though the dose is one ml) other than that she rests

well but

tonight she was complaining about pain in her leg.

Thanks again to all of you and I am always open to any more suggestions - at

this point

we really don't care where the miracle comes from; ultimately its from God.

 

With gratitude

Leonard

 

oleander soup , " gerald.fiore " <Dukka88 wrote:

>

> Hello Leonard,

>

> PM her full name and if you can pic of her and I will pray my heart out

> these next few days for her, please send me her details.

>

> At the eleventh hour as they say, you can still try things, maybe

> Latrile intravenously, I heard of Dr Clarks zapper and purchased one,

> you may try that as she doesn't have to ingest anything, prayer of

> course is good.

>

> Of course there are thing that she can do but all need ingesting

> juices, supplements or one kind or another. I know your pain brother,

> my mum went from one dose of morphine to the next waking up inbetween

> in pain, she passed away in my arms, something I pray you will not go

> through, again PM me.

>

> G

>

[Guest guest]

Leonard you got to get your mom off that Sodium Bicarbonate. It isn't what they say. Sodium Bicarbonate can flip once it reaches a certain level in the blood to acid. We had a acquaintance that had that for 3 months everyday and it killed him. Message from our Mexico Doctors. My wif'e's cancer actually got worse while on it.

--- On Fri, 11/14/08, leonardbedoian <leonardbedoian wrote:

leonardbedoian <leonardbedoian Re: My momoleander soup Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 12:30 AM

 

 

Thank you George and all for your responses. I have been unable to access the group from the hospital. My moms name is Harriet Bedoian and we are in Fresno California at St Agnes hospital. Fresno seems to have a TON of conventional cancer centers pouring out chemo and radiation treatments. Right now she can barely take a few sips of water through a straw, but our hope is that will improve and we will get her out of there and back home to try our best with OPC (which I have ordered) I had some polyMVA from a long time ago when she first was diagnosed but she couldn't drink it today - we tried putting it in her juice and then water and even tried rubbing it on her (desperate, I know but you do all that you can right?) Her last radiation treatments affected her esophagus which is why I believe she can't swallow anything well. My dad and family are all on board to take care of her at home if we can get her there

and I just picked up and dropped off my sister who is spending the night with my dad and mom in the hospital. My mom is still pretty aware and recognized my sister and understands everyone but can't respond well because she's so weak. Currently she is on an IV drip that has sodium bicarbonate in it to get her a little more alkaline and they give her and antibiotic as well as Decadron for pain (it puts her right out even though the dose is one ml) other than that she rests well but tonight she was complaining about pain in her leg. Thanks again to all of you and I am always open to any more suggestions - at this point we really don't care where the miracle comes from; ultimately its from God.With gratitudeLeonardoleander soup, "gerald.fiore" <Dukka88 > wrote:>> Hello

Leonard,> > PM her full name and if you can pic of her and I will pray my heart out > these next few days for her, please send me her details.> > At the eleventh hour as they say, you can still try things, maybe > Latrile intravenously, I heard of Dr Clarks zapper and purchased one, > you may try that as she doesn't have to ingest anything, prayer of > course is good.> > Of course there are thing that she can do but all need ingesting > juices, supplements or one kind or another. I know your pain brother, > my mum went from one dose of morphine to the next waking up inbetween > in pain, she passed away in my arms, something I pray you will not go > through, again PM me.> > G>

[Guest guest]

Moot point now; she passed away last night. for the last week she couldn't take

anything by mouth so we couldn't get anything in her except via IV feed and of

course no hospital or allopath will allow you to use something that may actually

help. She went peacefully with her family around her - dilaudin kept the pain

away (they can charge for that). Originally she used the natural alternative

method and got better when she listened to her oncologist she died. Conventional

medicine is in my opinion the most evil crime on the planet. Ultimately, we have

to respect the right of the individual to choose their own path (even our loved

ones) but ignorance is fatal and sooooo many people just listen to their doctor

without question because he/she has letters before or after their name, and the

ignorant arrogance of allopathic medicine is disgusting. I would do anything to

turn back time...

 

Is OS and OPC good for you even if you don't have cancer?

 

 

--- On Fri, 11/14/08, John Hamblin <dougham.ca wrote:

 

> John Hamblin <dougham.ca

> Re: Re: My mom

> oleander soup

> Friday, November 14, 2008, 3:16 PM

> Leonard you got to get your mom off that Sodium

> Bicarbonate.  It isn't what they say.  Sodium

> Bicarbonate can flip once it reaches a certain level in the

> blood to acid.  We had a acquaintance that had that for 3

> months everyday and it killed him.  Message from our Mexico

> Doctors.  My wif'e's cancer actually got worse

> while on it.

>

>

> --- On Fri, 11/14/08, leonardbedoian

> <leonardbedoian wrote:

>

> leonardbedoian <leonardbedoian

> Re: My mom

> oleander soup

> Friday, November 14, 2008, 12:30 AM

Thank you George and all for your responses. I have been

> unable to access the group from

> the hospital. My moms name is Harriet Bedoian and we are in

> Fresno California at St

> Agnes hospital. Fresno seems to have a TON of conventional

> cancer centers pouring out

> chemo and radiation treatments. Right now she can barely

> take a few sips of water

> through a straw, but our hope is that will improve and we

> will get her out of there and

> back home to try our best with OPC (which I have ordered) I

> had some polyMVA from a

> long time ago when she first was diagnosed but she

> couldn't drink it today - we tried

> putting it in her juice and then water and even tried

> rubbing it on her (desperate, I know

> but you do all that you can right?) Her last radiation

> treatments affected her esophagus

> which is why I believe she can't swallow anything well.

> My dad and family are all on board

> to take care of her at home if we can get her there and I

> just picked up and dropped off

> my sister who is spending the night with my dad and mom in

> the hospital. My mom is still

> pretty aware and recognized my sister and understands

> everyone but can't respond well

> because she's so weak. Currently she is on an IV drip

> that has sodium bicarbonate in it to

> get her a little more alkaline and they give her and

> antibiotic as well as Decadron for pain

> (it puts her right out even though the dose is one ml)

> other than that she rests well but

> tonight she was complaining about pain in her leg.

> Thanks again to all of you and I am always open to any more

> suggestions - at this point

> we really don't care where the miracle comes from;

> ultimately its from God.

>

> With gratitude

> Leonard

>

> oleander soup,

> " gerald.fiore " <Dukka88 > wrote:

> >

> > Hello Leonard,

> >

> > PM her full name and if you can pic of her and I will

> pray my heart out

> > these next few days for her, please send me her

> details.

> >

> > At the eleventh hour as they say, you can still try

> things, maybe

> > Latrile intravenously, I heard of Dr Clarks zapper and

> purchased one,

> > you may try that as she doesn't have to ingest

> anything, prayer of

> > course is good.

> >

> > Of course there are thing that she can do but all need

> ingesting

> > juices, supplements or one kind or another. I know

> your pain brother,

> > my mum went from one dose of morphine to the next

> waking up inbetween

> > in pain, she passed away in my arms, something I pray

> you will not go

> > through, again PM me.

> >

> > G

> >

[Guest guest]

Leonard,

 

I am so very sorry. Please accept my deepest and most heartfelt

condolensces.

 

I could not have improved on what you had to say about allopathic

medicine. Yet, the decision is up to the individual and sometimes,

while our heart is breaking, we must accept and watch with love.

 

Yes, SutherlandiaOPC can be taken as a preventative and there is no

documentation of anyone using it as a preventative ever coming down with

cancer.

 

Leonard, if I were closer I would ask if there was anything I can do,

but know that my thoughts and prayers are with you. Please do come back

to post anything at all if you need to. We are here for you during this

time.

 

Love and Hugs,

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Leonard,

I am very sorry to hear about your mother. Kindly accept my sincerest condolences. Under these sad circumstances I will be very happy to refund your money for the order of Sutherlandia OPC which has not even reached you yet.

Marc Swanepoel

 

 

-

Leonard Bedoian

oleander soup

Monday, November 17, 2008 8:18 AM

Re: Re: My mom

 

 

Moot point now; she passed away last night. for the last week she couldn't take anything by mouth so we couldn't get anything in her except via IV feed and of course no hospital or allopath will allow you to use something that may actually help. She went peacefully with her family around her - dilaudin kept the pain away (they can charge for that). Originally she used the natural alternative method and got better when she listened to her oncologist she died. Conventional medicine is in my opinion the most evil crime on the planet. Ultimately, we have to respect the right of the individual to choose their own path (even our loved ones) but ignorance is fatal and sooooo many people just listen to their doctor without question because he/she has letters before or after their name, and the ignorant arrogance of allopathic medicine is disgusting. I would do anything to turn back time...Is OS and OPC good for you even if you don't have cancer?--- On Fri, 11/14/08, John Hamblin <dougham.ca (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:> John Hamblin <dougham.ca (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>> Re: Re: My mom> oleander soup > Friday, November 14, 2008, 3:16 PM> Leonard you got to get your mom off that Sodium> Bicarbonate. It isn't what they say. Sodium> Bicarbonate can flip once it reaches a certain level in the> blood to acid. We had a acquaintance that had that for 3> months everyday and it killed him. Message from our Mexico> Doctors. My wif'e's cancer actually got worse> while on it.> > > --- On Fri, 11/14/08, leonardbedoian> <leonardbedoian > wrote:> > leonardbedoian <leonardbedoian >> Re: My mom> oleander soup > Friday, November 14, 2008, 12:30 AM> > > > > > > Thank you George and all for your responses. I have been> unable to access the group from > the hospital. My moms name is Harriet Bedoian and we are in> Fresno California at St > Agnes hospital. Fresno seems to have a TON of conventional> cancer centers pouring out > chemo and radiation treatments. Right now she can barely> take a few sips of water > through a straw, but our hope is that will improve and we> will get her out of there and > back home to try our best with OPC (which I have ordered) I> had some polyMVA from a > long time ago when she first was diagnosed but she> couldn't drink it today - we tried > putting it in her juice and then water and even tried> rubbing it on her (desperate, I know > but you do all that you can right?) Her last radiation> treatments affected her esophagus > which is why I believe she can't swallow anything well.> My dad and family are all on board > to take care of her at home if we can get her there and I> just picked up and dropped off > my sister who is spending the night with my dad and mom in> the hospital. My mom is still > pretty aware and recognized my sister and understands> everyone but can't respond well > because she's so weak. Currently she is on an IV drip> that has sodium bicarbonate in it to > get her a little more alkaline and they give her and> antibiotic as well as Decadron for pain > (it puts her right out even though the dose is one ml)> other than that she rests well but > tonight she was complaining about pain in her leg. > Thanks again to all of you and I am always open to any more> suggestions - at this point > we really don't care where the miracle comes from;> ultimately its from God.> > With gratitude> Leonard> > oleander soup,> "gerald.fiore" <Dukka88 > wrote:> >> > Hello Leonard,> > > > PM her full name and if you can pic of her and I will> pray my heart out > > these next few days for her, please send me her> details.> > > > At the eleventh hour as they say, you can still try> things, maybe > > Latrile intravenously, I heard of Dr Clarks zapper and> purchased one, > > you may try that as she doesn't have to ingest> anything, prayer of > > course is good.> > > > Of course there are thing that she can do but all need> ingesting > > juices, supplements or one kind or another. I know> your pain brother, > > my mum went from one dose of morphine to the next> waking up inbetween > > in pain, she passed away in my arms, something I pray> you will not go > > through, again PM me.> > > > G> >

[Guest guest]

Sorry man. Try and relax now, she is no longer in pain - now you and

family are suffering - look after yourself. When my mum passed I was

destroyed and ended up leaving the continent to forget, but one never

forgets, just the pain and memories are less sharp until you think

about it again.

 

I beleive wherever our mothers are they still love us and that in some

way makes me feel less pain.

 

G

[Guest guest]

Gerald,The night before my mother passed (and we did not know it would be the next day) we were having a conversation. All of a sudden she looked at me and said........"But wherever I go, I will never forget my lovely daughter." And I believe there is still a connection. There is so much that we don't understand. Death does not end the bonds of love. Our moms have simply "moved on."Hugs,

 

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!--- In oleander soup , "gerald.fiore" <Dukka88 wrote:>> Sorry man. Try and relax now, she is no longer in pain - now you and > family are suffering - look after yourself. When my mum passed I was > destroyed and ended up leaving the continent to forget, but one never > forgets, just the pain and memories are less sharp until you think > about it again.> > I beleive wherever our mothers are they still love us and that in some > way makes me feel less pain.> > G>

[Guest guest]

Leonard -I am so very sorry to hear about your mom and I share your frustration with mainstream medicine. By and large our doctors know what they are taught at medical schools, whose biggest source of funding is the world drug companies. What they are taught when it comes to disease and other illness is to prescribe medications made my the drug companies. Many of them really do mean well - though I cannot help but think that there is just no way they cannot realize after a while that their drugs are not curing anyone, just managing illness and leading to more complications.When it comes to your mom, consider it a blessing that she passed peacefully surrounded by loved ones and try to think about all the cherished memories and the many years you had together instead of the anguish and other feelings you have over her passing.Yes, oleander as either the home remedy or the OPC supplement taken on a maintenance dose of perhaps a single capsule every other day will help keep your immune system strong, contribute to better overall health and make it very unlikely that you will ever develop cancer.All the best,TonyHTML clipboard

 

 

 

--- In oleander soup , Leonard Bedoian <leonardbedoian wrote:>> Moot point now; she passed away last night.

[Guest guest]

Leonard.

So sorry about your mum, and as you said she went peacefully, and thats what counts in the end, when we loose the ones we love we dont want them in pain, Yes Leonard Conventional medicine is evil and the people behind the practice are doctors with bing EGO's and Diplomas to hide

behind it, if i sound bitter, is because i am, i lost my beautiful hasband this way.

take your time to remember your mum, and that will be your healer.

 

Hugs Mary

 

 

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Leonard Bedoian

oleander soup

Monday, November 17, 2008 5:18 PM

Re: Re: My mom

 

 

Moot point now; she passed away last night. for the last week she couldn't take anything by mouth so we couldn't get anything in her except via IV feed and of course no hospital or allopath will allow you to use something that may actually help. She went peacefully with her family around her - dilaudin kept the pain away (they can charge for that). Originally she used the natural alternative method and got better when she listened to her oncologist she died. Conventional medicine is in my opinion the most evil crime on the planet. Ultimately, we have to respect the right of the individual to choose their own path (even our loved ones) but ignorance is fatal and sooooo many people just listen to their doctor without question because he/she has letters before or after their name, and the ignorant arrogance of allopathic medicine is disgusting. I would do anything to turn back time...Is OS and OPC good for you even if you don't have cancer?--- On Fri, 11/14/08, John Hamblin <dougham.ca (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:> John Hamblin <dougham.ca (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>> Re: Re: My mom> oleander soup > Friday, November 14, 2008, 3:16 PM> Leonard you got to get your mom off that Sodium> Bicarbonate. It isn't what they say. Sodium> Bicarbonate can flip once it reaches a certain level in the> blood to acid. We had a acquaintance that had that for 3> months everyday and it killed him. Message from our Mexico> Doctors. My wif'e's cancer actually got worse> while on it.> > > --- On Fri, 11/14/08, leonardbedoian> <leonardbedoian > wrote:> > leonardbedoian <leonardbedoian >> Re: My mom> oleander soup > Friday, November 14, 2008, 12:30 AM> > > > > > > Thank you George and all for your responses. I have been> unable to access the group from > the hospital. My moms name is Harriet Bedoian and we are in> Fresno California at St > Agnes hospital. Fresno seems to have a TON of conventional> cancer centers pouring out > chemo and radiation treatments. Right now she can barely> take a few sips of water > through a straw, but our hope is that will improve and we> will get her out of there and > back home to try our best with OPC (which I have ordered) I> had some polyMVA from a > long time ago when she first was diagnosed but she> couldn't drink it today - we tried > putting it in her juice and then water and even tried> rubbing it on her (desperate, I know > but you do all that you can right?) Her last radiation> treatments affected her esophagus > which is why I believe she can't swallow anything well.> My dad and family are all on board > to take care of her at home if we can get her there and I> just picked up and dropped off > my sister who is spending the night with my dad and mom in> the hospital. My mom is still > pretty aware and recognized my sister and understands> everyone but can't respond well > because she's so weak. Currently she is on an IV drip> that has sodium bicarbonate in it to > get her a little more alkaline and they give her and> antibiotic as well as Decadron for pain > (it puts her right out even though the dose is one ml)> other than that she rests well but > tonight she was complaining about pain in her leg. > Thanks again to all of you and I am always open to any more> suggestions - at this point > we really don't care where the miracle comes from;> ultimately its from God.> > With gratitude> Leonard> > oleander soup,> "gerald.fiore" <Dukka88 > wrote:> >> > Hello Leonard,> > > > PM her full name and if you can pic of her and I will> pray my heart out > > these next few days for her, please send me her> details.> > > > At the eleventh hour as they say, you can still try> things, maybe > > Latrile intravenously, I heard of Dr Clarks zapper and> purchased one, > > you may try that as she doesn't have to ingest> anything, prayer of > > course is good.> > > > Of course there are thing that she can do but all need> ingesting > > juices, supplements or one kind or another. I know> your pain brother, > > my mum went from one dose of morphine to the next> waking up inbetween > > in pain, she passed away in my arms, something I pray> you will not go > > through, again PM me.> > > > G> >

[Guest guest]

Marc,

 

That is a very kind and thoughtful gesture.

 

Bob

 

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Marc Swanepoel - PhD

oleander soup

Monday, November 17, 2008 8:40 AM

Re: Re: My mom

 

 

Dear Leonard,

I am very sorry to hear about your mother. Kindly accept my sincerest condolences. Under these sad circumstances I will be very happy to refund your money for the order of Sutherlandia OPC which has not even reached you yet.

Marc Swanepoel

 

 

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Leonard Bedoian

oleander soup

Monday, November 17, 2008 8:18 AM

Re: Re: My mom

 

 

Moot point now; she passed away last night. for the last week she couldn't take anything by mouth so we couldn't get anything in her except via IV feed and of course no hospital or allopath will allow you to use something that may actually help. She went peacefully with her family around her - dilaudin kept the pain away (they can charge for that). Originally she used the natural alternative method and got better when she listened to her oncologist she died. Conventional medicine is in my opinion the most evil crime on the planet. Ultimately, we have to respect the right of the individual to choose their own path (even our loved ones) but ignorance is fatal and sooooo many people just listen to their doctor without question because he/she has letters before or after their name, and the ignorant arrogance of allopathic medicine is disgusting. I would do anything to turn back time...Is OS and OPC good for you even if you don't have cancer?--- On Fri, 11/14/08, John Hamblin <dougham.ca (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:> John Hamblin <dougham.ca (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>> Re: Re: My mom> oleander soup > Friday, November 14, 2008, 3:16 PM> Leonard you got to get your mom off that Sodium> Bicarbonate. It isn't what they say. Sodium> Bicarbonate can flip once it reaches a certain level in the> blood to acid. We had a acquaintance that had that for 3> months everyday and it killed him. Message from our Mexico> Doctors. My wif'e's cancer actually got worse> while on it.> > > --- On Fri, 11/14/08, leonardbedoian> <leonardbedoian > wrote:> > leonardbedoian <leonardbedoian >> Re: My mom> oleander soup > Friday, November 14, 2008, 12:30 AM> > > > > > > Thank you George and all for your responses. I have been> unable to access the group from > the hospital. My moms name is Harriet Bedoian and we are in> Fresno California at St > Agnes hospital. Fresno seems to have a TON of conventional> cancer centers pouring out > chemo and radiation treatments. Right now she can barely> take a few sips of water > through a straw, but our hope is that will improve and we> will get her out of there and > back home to try our best with OPC (which I have ordered) I> had some polyMVA from a > long time ago when she first was diagnosed but she> couldn't drink it today - we tried > putting it in her juice and then water and even tried> rubbing it on her (desperate, I know > but you do all that you can right?) Her last radiation> treatments affected her esophagus > which is why I believe she can't swallow anything well.> My dad and family are all on board > to take care of her at home if we can get her there and I> just picked up and dropped off > my sister who is spending the night with my dad and mom in> the hospital. My mom is still > pretty aware and recognized my sister and understands> everyone but can't respond well > because she's so weak. Currently she is on an IV drip> that has sodium bicarbonate in it to > get her a little more alkaline and they give her and> antibiotic as well as Decadron for pain > (it puts her right out even though the dose is one ml)> other than that she rests well but > tonight she was complaining about pain in her leg. > Thanks again to all of you and I am always open to any more> suggestions - at this point > we really don't care where the miracle comes from;> ultimately its from God.> > With gratitude> Leonard> > oleander soup,> "gerald.fiore" <Dukka88 > wrote:> >> > Hello Leonard,> > > > PM her full name and if you can pic of her and I will> pray my heart out > > these next few days for her, please send me her> details.> > > > At the eleventh hour as they say, you can still try> things, maybe > > Latrile intravenously, I heard of Dr Clarks zapper and> purchased one, > > you may try that as she doesn't have to ingest> anything, prayer of > > course is good.> > > > Of course there are thing that she can do but all need> ingesting > > juices, supplements or one kind or another. I know> your pain brother, > > my mum went from one dose of morphine to the next> waking up inbetween > > in pain, she passed away in my arms, something I pray> you will not go > > through, again PM me.> > > > G> >