Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I was looking at the following table which compares various types of colloidal silver and it seems that Mesosilver has the highest particle surface area and efficiency index, does this mean it is superior to Utopia Silver? I dont want to ruffle any feathers here but shouldnt people use the best available product? Product Name (P.S.A.*) [Eff.*] Home Brewed w/ SG-7 (0.024) [1.64] Silver Shield Colloidal Silver (0.027) [0.19] Silver Biotics 10 (0.035) [03.2] ASAP 10 (0.112) [10.2] Sovereign Silver 10 (0.217) [22.3] Ultra Pure Col. Silver 35 (0.225) [13.6] Argentyn 23 (0.355) [22.6] ASAP 22 (0.587) [26.3] Futurebiotics Adv. Col. Silver 30 (0.591) [61.6] Int.Pharm.Invive 50 (0.621) [04.4] Electra Clear Col. Silver 10 (0.662) [25.1] Source Naturals Col. Silver 30 (0.881) [24.3] Kelly Colloidal Silver 20 (1.420) [12.2] Utopia Advanced. Col. Silver 20 (12.20) [92.4] Innovative Natural Products 500 (12.39) [20.5] MesoSilver® 20 (104.7) [5235] P.S.A = Particle Surface Area Eff. = Efficiency Index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 what does Tony say about this subject?--- On Wed, 11/12/08, simonflynn22 <simon041082 wrote: simonflynn22 <simon041082 Mesosilveroleander soup Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 9:01 AM I was looking at the following table which compares various types ofcolloidal silver and it seems that Mesosilver has the highestparticle surface area and efficiency index, does this mean it issuperior to Utopia Silver? I dont want to ruffle any feathers herebut shouldnt people use the best available product?Product Name (P.S.A.*) [Eff.*]Home Brewed w/ SG-7 (0.024) [1.64]Silver Shield Colloidal Silver (0.027) [0.19]Silver Biotics 10 (0.035) [03.2]ASAP 10 (0.112) [10.2]Sovereign Silver 10 (0.217) [22.3]Ultra Pure Col. Silver 35 (0.225) [13.6]Argentyn 23 (0.355) [22.6]ASAP 22 (0.587) [26.3]Futurebiotics Adv. Col. Silver 30 (0.591) [61.6]Int.Pharm.Invive 50 (0.621) [04.4]Electra Clear Col. Silver 10 (0.662) [25.1]Source Naturals Col. Silver 30 (0.881) [24.3]Kelly Colloidal Silver 20 (1.420) [12.2]Utopia Advanced. Col. Silver 20 (12.20) [92.4]Innovative Natural Products 500 (12.39) [20.5]MesoSilver® 20 (104.7) [5235]P.S.A = Particle Surface AreaEff. = Efficiency Index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Here is what I have to say: The owner of Utopia Silver, Ben Taylor, devised a new way of making colloidal silver unlike any other that literally atomizes the silver. Before buying Utopia Silver, he worked as a consultant for them due to his 20 years experience with high voltage electrical generators and his interest in natural health. When he told the former owner about his idea, the former owner called up the owner of Mesosilver and told him about it. Mesosilver then went on to develop a manufacturing method that used Ben's idea and Utopia Silver bought their colloidal silver from Mesosilver and relabeled it. Later, Ben Taylor engineered a manufacturing process using his idea for Utopia Silver and that is when the animosity began between the former owner and his one time friend and supplier at Mesosilver. Among other things the owner of Mesosilver has accused Ben Taylor of copying the Mesosilver method, despite the fact that it was Ben's idea to begin with and despite Ben's 20 year history in the field. I know this for a fact because the owner of Mesosilver contacted me and made the accusation and other equally false ones without realizing that I was a lifelong friend of Ben Taylor and knew otherwise. The chart you refer to comes from a website that is owned by Mesosilver. It is accurate, with one slight exception (or possibly two). The Utopia Silver that was measured in the chart is an olde version before Ben Taylor perfected the manufactoring process and they have refused to make a new measurement on the current product. In fact, when Utopia Silver sent them a sample of the new product, the owner of Mesosilver called up Utopia Silver and accused them of sending them their own product back. I have to ask, would they do that if the measurements were as lopsided as the chart indicated? I hardly think so. Sure enough, independent analysis confirms that the measurements for the Utopia Silver produce are inaccurate, and found that the smallest particles in the Utopia Silver product were equally as small as those in Mesosilver (it is particle size that is THE key to the effectiveness of colloidal/ionic silver). I also have to wonder if the ones for Mesosilver might have been manipulated in their favor by taking extra care to produce a sample of higher quality than would normally be produced during a regular mass product run, but that is just my conjecture. The bottom line is that Mesosilver is a very superior product and so is that of Utopia Silver. I personally am convinced that there is little, if any, difference between the two. And I would point out that it is Utopia Silver that is a friend of this site, Utopia Silver who has given us a discount code for purchases of their entire inventory, and Utopia Silver who is at the forefront of the fight against the unconstitutional effort by the FDA to shut down colloidal silver in particular and natural supplements in general. I would not hesitate to use Mesosilver if not for Utopia Silver, but given what I know and who I trust, and the churlish nature of the continued one-sided feud, I will choose and recommend Utopia Silver hands down. oleander soup , Steve Cox <cox_agent wrote: > > what does Tony say about this subject? > > --- On Wed, 11/12/08, simonflynn22 <simon041082 wrote: > > simonflynn22 <simon041082 > Mesosilver > oleander soup > Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 9:01 AM > > I was looking at the following table which compares various types of > colloidal silver and it seems that Mesosilver has the highest > particle surface area and efficiency index, does this mean it is > superior to Utopia Silver? I dont want to ruffle any feathers here > but shouldnt people use the best available product? > > Product Name (P.S.A.*) [Eff.*] > Home Brewed w/ SG-7 (0.024) [1.64] > Silver Shield Colloidal Silver (0.027) [0.19] > Silver Biotics 10 (0.035) [03.2] > ASAP 10 (0.112) [10.2] > Sovereign Silver 10 (0.217) [22.3] > Ultra Pure Col. Silver 35 (0.225) [13.6] > Argentyn 23 (0.355) [22.6] > ASAP 22 (0.587) [26.3] > Futurebiotics Adv. Col. Silver 30 (0.591) [61.6] > Int.Pharm.Invive 50 (0.621) [04.4] > Electra Clear Col. Silver 10 (0.662) [25.1] > Source Naturals Col. Silver 30 (0.881) [24.3] > Kelly Colloidal Silver 20 (1.420) [12.2] > Utopia Advanced. Col. Silver 20 (12.20) [92.4] > Innovative Natural Products 500 (12.39) [20.5] > MesoSilver® 20 (104.7) [5235] > > P.S.A = Particle Surface Area > Eff. = Efficiency Index > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I thought the figures seemed a bit odd. I remembered Tony stating that Mesosilver and Utopia silver were the top two c.s. products available and that they were pretty much on par with each other. It's good to know that the data on the mesosilver site is incorrect, that company is only shooting itself in the foot. And may I just add that I have a few bottles of Utopia silver sitting in the cupboard and I'm very impressed with the results I've seen while using it. I will continue to give my money to Ben Taylor for his exceptional colloidal silver and recommend that others do too. Thanks for clarifying the matter, Simon oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > Here is what I have to say: > > The owner of Utopia Silver, Ben Taylor, devised a new way of making > colloidal silver unlike any other that literally atomizes the silver. > Before buying Utopia Silver, he worked as a consultant for them due > to his 20 years experience with high voltage electrical generators and > his interest in natural health. When he told the former owner about > his idea, the former owner called up the owner of Mesosilver and told > him about it. Mesosilver then went on to develop a manufacturing > method that used Ben's idea and Utopia Silver bought their colloidal > silver from Mesosilver and relabeled it. > > Later, Ben Taylor engineered a manufacturing process using his idea > for Utopia Silver and that is when the animosity began between the > former owner and his one time friend and supplier at Mesosilver. > Among other things the owner of Mesosilver has accused Ben Taylor of > copying the Mesosilver method, despite the fact that it was Ben's idea > to begin with and despite Ben's 20 year history in the field. I know > this for a fact because the owner of Mesosilver contacted me and made > the accusation and other equally false ones without realizing that I > was a lifelong friend of Ben Taylor and knew otherwise. > > The chart you refer to comes from a website that is owned by > Mesosilver. It is accurate, with one slight exception (or possibly > two). The Utopia Silver that was measured in the chart is an olde > version before Ben Taylor perfected the manufactoring process and they > have refused to make a new measurement on the current product. In > fact, when Utopia Silver sent them a sample of the new product, the > owner of Mesosilver called up Utopia Silver and accused them of > sending them their own product back. I have to ask, would they do > that if the measurements were as lopsided as the chart indicated? I > hardly think so. > > Sure enough, independent analysis confirms that the measurements for > the Utopia Silver produce are inaccurate, and found that the smallest > particles in the Utopia Silver product were equally as small as those > in Mesosilver (it is particle size that is THE key to the > effectiveness of colloidal/ionic silver). I also have to wonder if > the ones for Mesosilver might have been manipulated in their favor by > taking extra care to produce a sample of higher quality than would > normally be produced during a regular mass product run, but that is > just my conjecture. > > The bottom line is that Mesosilver is a very superior product and so > is that of Utopia Silver. I personally am convinced that there is > little, if any, difference between the two. And I would point out > that it is Utopia Silver that is a friend of this site, Utopia Silver > who has given us a discount code for purchases of their entire > inventory, and Utopia Silver who is at the forefront of the fight > against the unconstitutional effort by the FDA to shut down colloidal > silver in particular and natural supplements in general. > > I would not hesitate to use Mesosilver if not for Utopia Silver, but > given what I know and who I trust, and the churlish nature of the > continued one-sided feud, I will choose and recommend Utopia Silver > hands down. > > Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 In no way am I saying that Mesosilver's figures are not correct - and certainly not saying they are not correct for the sample they tested. I am saying that the figures for Utopia Silver are understated substantially and I agree with you that Mesosilver is shooting itself in the foot by continuing an old and inappropriate grudge as well as by having a site not clearly identified as their own site to publish the chart and other comparisons. oleander soup , " simonflynn22 " <simon041082 wrote: > > > I thought the figures seemed a bit odd. I remembered Tony stating > that Mesosilver and Utopia silver were the top two c.s. products > available and that they were pretty much on par with each other. It's > good to know that the data on the mesosilver site is incorrect, that > company is only shooting itself in the foot. And may I just add that > I have a few bottles of Utopia silver sitting in the cupboard and I'm > very impressed with the results I've seen while using it. I will > continue to give my money to Ben Taylor for his exceptional colloidal > silver and recommend that others do too. > > Thanks for clarifying the matter, > > Simon > > > oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote: > > > > Here is what I have to say: > > > > The owner of Utopia Silver, Ben Taylor, devised a new way of making > > colloidal silver unlike any other that literally atomizes the > silver. > > Before buying Utopia Silver, he worked as a consultant for them due > > to his 20 years experience with high voltage electrical generators > and > > his interest in natural health. When he told the former owner about > > his idea, the former owner called up the owner of Mesosilver and > told > > him about it. Mesosilver then went on to develop a manufacturing > > method that used Ben's idea and Utopia Silver bought their colloidal > > silver from Mesosilver and relabeled it. > > > > Later, Ben Taylor engineered a manufacturing process using his idea > > for Utopia Silver and that is when the animosity began between the > > former owner and his one time friend and supplier at Mesosilver. > > Among other things the owner of Mesosilver has accused Ben Taylor of > > copying the Mesosilver method, despite the fact that it was Ben's > idea > > to begin with and despite Ben's 20 year history in the field. I > know > > this for a fact because the owner of Mesosilver contacted me and > made > > the accusation and other equally false ones without realizing that I > > was a lifelong friend of Ben Taylor and knew otherwise. > > > > The chart you refer to comes from a website that is owned by > > Mesosilver. It is accurate, with one slight exception (or possibly > > two). The Utopia Silver that was measured in the chart is an olde > > version before Ben Taylor perfected the manufactoring process and > they > > have refused to make a new measurement on the current product. In > > fact, when Utopia Silver sent them a sample of the new product, the > > owner of Mesosilver called up Utopia Silver and accused them of > > sending them their own product back. I have to ask, would they do > > that if the measurements were as lopsided as the chart indicated? I > > hardly think so. > > > > Sure enough, independent analysis confirms that the measurements for > > the Utopia Silver produce are inaccurate, and found that the > smallest > > particles in the Utopia Silver product were equally as small as > those > > in Mesosilver (it is particle size that is THE key to the > > effectiveness of colloidal/ionic silver). I also have to wonder if > > the ones for Mesosilver might have been manipulated in their favor > by > > taking extra care to produce a sample of higher quality than would > > normally be produced during a regular mass product run, but that is > > just my conjecture. > > > > The bottom line is that Mesosilver is a very superior product and so > > is that of Utopia Silver. I personally am convinced that there is > > little, if any, difference between the two. And I would point out > > that it is Utopia Silver that is a friend of this site, Utopia > Silver > > who has given us a discount code for purchases of their entire > > inventory, and Utopia Silver who is at the forefront of the fight > > against the unconstitutional effort by the FDA to shut down > colloidal > > silver in particular and natural supplements in general. > > > > I would not hesitate to use Mesosilver if not for Utopia Silver, but > > given what I know and who I trust, and the churlish nature of the > > continued one-sided feud, I will choose and recommend Utopia Silver > > hands down. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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