Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Kiiko uses the LR meridian for the eyes. The Liver eye points have proven useful for tx the eyes, as well as sore breast pts. (exp. after surgery). The LR eyes pts are on the LR meridian, 1/3 and 2/3 of the way between the groin and kneecap. Poke around for the " ashi " pts closest to the 1/3 & 2/3 points, and needle them towards the Spleen line. Good results. JG --- Kathleen Mathews <kthmathews2003 wrote: > Has anyone treated macular degeneration? Is so, > would appreciate any and all ideas, comments, > suggestions... > > There is an MD in Santa Fe who is treating macular > degeneration using acupuncture (even though he > states TCM is not 'real' medicine). I attended a > patient seminar he had in Albuquerque --- he > expected between 20-30 people to show and was a bit > surprised when over 350 people attended. This MD > claims he is getting results with 85% of his > patients. > > I asked for point specifics (he uses a cookbook > protocol) but he was unwilling to answer. He did > state he wanted to teach other practitioners how to > use this treatment, but when I asked if he meant MDs > or also Doctors of Orient Medicine (New Mexico), he > informed me and two other DOMs, that he was > uncomfortable showing us how to use the needles... > > Judging by his video, it appears he is using basic > eye points: BL 1, Qi Hou, Wai Ming, Shang Ming. > Also he uses an ear 'stud' which is placed somewhere > around the thyroid/clavicle/shoulder joint area. He > then needled LIV 14 (assume as he website mentions > this point; however, the video shows him needling > through the patient's clothes). Electric stim is > hooked up to the eye points and LIV 14. > > In checking his website (sorry,don't have it with > me, but you can type in Alston Lundgren, Santa Fe), > it includes different ear points and additional body > points. These are not shown in the video and he did > tell us he found that LIV 8 and LIV 3 did not > improve vision. > > I have a new patient coming in Wednesday who > attended the seminar so would appreciate hearing > from anyone who has worked with macular > degeneration. As I have not seen this patient > before, am unable to give you any TCM S & S, DX, T/P. > > Thanks much. > kathleen > > > > > SBC - Internet access at a great low price. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Hi Kathleen, I have had mixed success with macular degeneration (MD) - one patient in particular was completely free of the disorder after 2-3 months of treatment but the interesting thing was I was not treating her for MD per se but for a host of over-all problems. I would offer the following as basic rule of thumb: Whenever we treat a degenerative condition, it is difficult to know what to expect because it is hard to judge just how bad the degree of degeneration is. I often use the analogy of a runaway freight train with my patients by stating degeneration is like a train running in the wrong direction - even if one could throw on the brakes with the first treatment - the train my skid in the wrong direction for a while before it stops and then starts to reveres direction. If the degeneration is more mild - one can expect to stop and reverse it sooner. If it is very strong - one may not be able to stop it but may be able to slow it. Other important factors that come into play are the general health of the patient, their age, the number of medications they are on, etc. I also doubt the M.D. you heard lecture could really get 85% positive results. If he could - he should document it because he would be world famous and a multi-millionaire. As for points, there are many approaches including the local points and liver points and ear points you mentioned. I would also strongly encourage you to include herbs with the acupuncture at least some simple supplement such as chrysanthemum or chrysantimum based formula. If the patient in question was recently diagnosed and is in good general health and the degeneration is not too far gone, I think the chances are good you could at least slow the process and likely see improvement. Good luck, Matthew Bauer - Kathleen Mathews Chinese Traditional Medicine Monday, May 17, 2004 3:49 PM macular degeneration Has anyone treated macular degeneration? Is so, would appreciate any and all ideas, comments, suggestions... There is an MD in Santa Fe who is treating macular degeneration using acupuncture (even though he states TCM is not 'real' medicine). I attended a patient seminar he had in Albuquerque --- he expected between 20-30 people to show and was a bit surprised when over 350 people attended. This MD claims he is getting results with 85% of his patients. I asked for point specifics (he uses a cookbook protocol) but he was unwilling to answer. He did state he wanted to teach other practitioners how to use this treatment, but when I asked if he meant MDs or also Doctors of Orient Medicine (New Mexico), he informed me and two other DOMs, that he was uncomfortable showing us how to use the needles... Judging by his video, it appears he is using basic eye points: BL 1, Qi Hou, Wai Ming, Shang Ming. Also he uses an ear 'stud' which is placed somewhere around the thyroid/clavicle/shoulder joint area. He then needled LIV 14 (assume as he website mentions this point; however, the video shows him needling through the patient's clothes). Electric stim is hooked up to the eye points and LIV 14. In checking his website (sorry,don't have it with me, but you can type in Alston Lundgren, Santa Fe), it includes different ear points and additional body points. These are not shown in the video and he did tell us he found that LIV 8 and LIV 3 did not improve vision. I have a new patient coming in Wednesday who attended the seminar so would appreciate hearing from anyone who has worked with macular degeneration. As I have not seen this patient before, am unable to give you any TCM S & S, DX, T/P. Thanks much. kathleen SBC - Internet access at a great low price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 In most of the therapies I am aware of, one of the components is capillary strengthening. The more stable the circulation, the quicker the healing can begin. Any herbs or berries with high bioflavinoid content will help. Since many of the capillaries in the eye are so tiny, they have a tendency to get impacted. Herbs or other nutritional products that tend to open the circulation and clean will help. IMHO, improving circulation is key. Stabilizing tissue is the other key. Chris In a message dated 5/18/2004 7:50:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thechidoctor writes: Kathleen, I have not worked with macular degeneration, but I have a book " Natural Eye Care " by Marc Grossman, OD, L.Ac., and Michael Edson, L.Ac. There is a chapter in there on macular degeneration. You can check their website www.visionworksusa.com and try to contact them directly for advice. Diane Bryson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Bilberry helps, also. --- Matt Bauer <acu.guy wrote: > Hi Kathleen, > > I have had mixed success with macular degeneration > (MD) - one patient in particular was completely free > of the disorder after 2-3 months of treatment but > the interesting thing was I was not treating her for > MD per se but for a host of over-all problems. I > would offer the following as basic rule of thumb: > Whenever we treat a degenerative condition, it is > difficult to know what to expect because it is hard > to judge just how bad the degree of degeneration is. > I often use the analogy of a runaway freight train > with my patients by stating degeneration is like a > train running in the wrong direction - even if one > could throw on the brakes with the first treatment - > the train my skid in the wrong direction for a while > before it stops and then starts to reveres > direction. If the degeneration is more mild - one > can expect to stop and reverse it sooner. If it is > very strong - one may not be able to stop it but may > be able to slow it. Other important factors that > come into play are the general health of the > patient, their age, the number of medications they > are on, etc. > > I also doubt the M.D. you heard lecture could really > get 85% positive results. If he could - he should > document it because he would be world famous and a > multi-millionaire. As for points, there are many > approaches including the local points and liver > points and ear points you mentioned. I would also > strongly encourage you to include herbs with the > acupuncture at least some simple supplement such as > chrysanthemum or chrysantimum based formula. If the > patient in question was recently diagnosed and is in > good general health and the degeneration is not too > far gone, I think the chances are good you could at > least slow the process and likely see improvement. > Good luck, > > Matthew Bauer > > - > Kathleen Mathews > Chinese Traditional Medicine > Monday, May 17, 2004 3:49 PM > macular degeneration > > > Has anyone treated macular degeneration? Is so, > would appreciate any and all ideas, comments, > suggestions... > > There is an MD in Santa Fe who is treating macular > degeneration using acupuncture (even though he > states TCM is not 'real' medicine). I attended a > patient seminar he had in Albuquerque --- he > expected between 20-30 people to show and was a bit > surprised when over 350 people attended. This MD > claims he is getting results with 85% of his > patients. > > I asked for point specifics (he uses a cookbook > protocol) but he was unwilling to answer. He did > state he wanted to teach other practitioners how to > use this treatment, but when I asked if he meant MDs > or also Doctors of Orient Medicine (New Mexico), he > informed me and two other DOMs, that he was > uncomfortable showing us how to use the needles... > > Judging by his video, it appears he is using basic > eye points: BL 1, Qi Hou, Wai Ming, Shang Ming. > Also he uses an ear 'stud' which is placed somewhere > around the thyroid/clavicle/shoulder joint area. He > then needled LIV 14 (assume as he website mentions > this point; however, the video shows him needling > through the patient's clothes). Electric stim is > hooked up to the eye points and LIV 14. > > In checking his website (sorry,don't have it with > me, but you can type in Alston Lundgren, Santa Fe), > it includes different ear points and additional body > points. These are not shown in the video and he did > tell us he found that LIV 8 and LIV 3 did not > improve vision. > > I have a new patient coming in Wednesday who > attended the seminar so would appreciate hearing > from anyone who has worked with macular > degeneration. As I have not seen this patient > before, am unable to give you any TCM S & S, DX, T/P. > > Thanks much. > kathleen > > > > > SBC - Internet access at a great low price. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any > commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame > another member or swear. > > To translate this message, copy and paste it into > this web link page, http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > > and adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the > messages to stop being delivered. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 At the risk of suggesting integration of east & west :-) The national eye institute did a study a while back on vitamin supplements and age related macular degeneration. No idea about herb- vitamin interactions here. There are companies that have come up with their own multi-supplements based on that study. See links below. A randomized, placebo-controlled, clinical trial of high-dose supplementation with vitamins C and E, beta-carotene, and zinc for age-related macular degeneration and vision loss Age-Related Eye Disease Study Research Group, Arch Ophthalmol., 2001, vol. 119, pp. 1417--1436 http://www.nei.nih.gov/neitrials/static/study44.htm for a list of the supplements and their dosages: http://www.vrmny.com/AMD & VITS.htm http://www.lighthouse.org/resources_amd_nutrition.htm Paul gruschesky has a macular degeneration acupuncture protocol they use at the clinic in arizona. He gave our class the one he uses for retinitis pigmentosa, but I don't know whether or not it applies to macular degeneration. Seems like he said it was a different one they use for that. I can pass it on if you want. In jacob lieberman's book " take off your glasses and see " he suggests a number of different kinds of eye exercises. There is one in particular that is for helping distributing nutrients out to the eyes and feels really good. You have two bowls of water - one ice cold and one as hot as you can stand it w/o burning the eyelids. Put a cloth in each and then alternately take the cloth out of one and hold over the eyes for 30 seconds, and alternate. --brian Chinese Medicine , Kathleen Mathews <kthmathews2003> wrote: > Has anyone treated macular degeneration? Is so, would appreciate any and all ideas, comments, suggestions... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Thanks Brian, What an encyclopedia you are. LOL. With these chat groups it is almost as if we are practicing together, eh? Maybe someday when you are ready to return to New Mexico (or I have to move some place where there is moisture and green and little wind...). I do have some notes on Paul's RP but would appreciate you sending anything you have as the notes were written after watching the procedure (assume Ryan would also be a good source as he was the one treating). Think Paul mentioned a treatment being used for glaucoma, but don't recall anything on macular degeneration. Do you have Paul's email address? RE: Jacob Lieberman's technique --- did Dr Chong talk about this? Would assume she mentioned herbs. I'll check my records and would appreciate if you would do the same. Still think you should organize all your notes into a book and sell it (of course, as it was my idea, would appreciate a free copy. smile). Take care, much love, your former classmate Kathleen PS -- please don't include music with the above mentioned book... briansbeard <brian_s_beard wrote: At the risk of suggesting integration of east & west :-) The national eye institute did a study a while back on vitamin supplements and age related macular degeneration. No idea about herb- vitamin interactions here. There are companies that have come up with their own multi-supplements based on that study. See links below. A randomized, placebo-controlled, clinical trial of high-dose supplementation with vitamins C and E, beta-carotene, and zinc for age-related macular degeneration and vision loss Age-Related Eye Disease Study Research Group, Arch Ophthalmol., 2001, vol. 119, pp. 1417--1436 http://www.nei.nih.gov/neitrials/static/study44.htm for a list of the supplements and their dosages: http://www.vrmny.com/AMD & VITS.htm http://www.lighthouse.org/resources_amd_nutrition.htm Paul gruschesky has a macular degeneration acupuncture protocol they use at the clinic in arizona. He gave our class the one he uses for retinitis pigmentosa, but I don't know whether or not it applies to macular degeneration. Seems like he said it was a different one they use for that. I can pass it on if you want. In jacob lieberman's book " take off your glasses and see " he suggests a number of different kinds of eye exercises. There is one in particular that is for helping distributing nutrients out to the eyes and feels really good. You have two bowls of water - one ice cold and one as hot as you can stand it w/o burning the eyelids. Put a cloth in each and then alternately take the cloth out of one and hold over the eyes for 30 seconds, and alternate. --brian Chinese Medicine , Kathleen Mathews <kthmathews2003> wrote: > Has anyone treated macular degeneration? Is so, would appreciate any and all ideas, comments, suggestions... > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 one herb supplement that has been subjected to research in macular degeneration is ginkgo biolba (leaves) available as a supplement. I understand it is believed to improve capillary microcirculation but i no longer have the references to hand. charlie buck --- Musiclear wrote: > > In most of the therapies I am aware of, one of > the components is > capillary strengthening. The more stable the > circulation, the quicker the healing can > begin. Any herbs or berries with high bioflavinoid > content will help. > > Since many of the capillaries in the eye are so > tiny, they have a > tendency to get impacted. Herbs or other > nutritional products that tend to open the > circulation and clean will help. > > IMHO, improving circulation is key. Stabilizing > tissue is the other key. > > Chris > > > In a message dated 5/18/2004 7:50:07 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > thechidoctor writes: > Kathleen, > > I have not worked with macular degeneration, but I > have a book " Natural Eye > Care " by Marc Grossman, OD, L.Ac., and Michael > Edson, L.Ac. There is a > chapter > in there on macular degeneration. You can check > their website > www.visionworksusa.com and try to contact them > directly for advice. > Diane Bryson > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 > Do you have Paul's email address? No I don't. Someone else wanted the protocol, so I put it up on my website as there are large pictures to download.... Perhaps ryan could take a look and verify it. http://brianbeard.tripod.com/orientalmedicine/id27.htm > > RE: Jacob Lieberman's technique --- did Dr Chong talk about this? I don't remember dr. cheng saying this about the eyes, but she may have and I have forgotten. There's so many herbs that address the eyes I don't know where to begin w/o a tcm diagnosis as a starting point. " Practical Therapeutics of TCM " by Yan Wu has an opthalmology section with a subsection on blue-eye blindness which seems to include macular degeneration and may be a good starting point for a formula. Bob Flaws book " The treatment of modern western diseases w/ CM " has a section on macular degeneration. CAM and Shanghai both have sections on optic atrophy. Hope this helps. --brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 See Marc Grossman's book, " Natural Eye Care: A Comprehensive Manual for Practitioners of Oriental Medicine " at http://www.visionworksusa.com/books.asp. This gives excellent information on many eye conditions. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Christine: Here's a link with good overall information. If the link doesn't work go to lef.org and look for the may 2004 issue. There's also a good article on lab work Brian http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/may2004_cover_macular_01.htm inchina777 <inchina777 wrote:Hello eveyone, I am Christine and I am practicing in St. Louis Mo. I have a question for anyone who has some info. What do you know about treating macular degeneration? I would appreciate any info that you have. This is the first time I have come across this in my practice and I am looking for new resources. Thank you so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Chris, Hi. This is the TCM chat line I mentioned in my prior email. Perhaps Steve Smith will see this and let us know how the treatments using the MD protocol are working. And if they are using the same points (Qiu Hou, LIV 14, 8, 3). and on a personal note: Wish Dale and I had more time driving back to Canada. Would love to stop in for a chat. He has to get back to his practice and to teaching. Take care and if you are ever in the Ottawa area, give us a call. kathleen inchina777 <inchina777 wrote: Hello eveyone, I am Christine and I am practicing in St. Louis Mo. I have a question for anyone who has some info. What do you know about treating macular degeneration? I would appreciate any info that you have. This is the first time I have come across this in my practice and I am looking for new resources. Thank you so much! Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Hi Christine, This was a topic a few months back. You can find a number of postings by searching the archives. --brian beard Chinese Medicine , " inchina777 " <inchina777> wrote: > Hello eveyone, I am Christine and I am practicing in St. Louis Mo. I > have a question for anyone who has some info. What do you know about > treating macular degeneration? I would appreciate any info that you > have. This is the first time I have come across this in my practice > and I am looking for new resources. Thank you so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 Hi All, & Diane, Diane Bryson wrote: > For the query about macular degeneration -- I don't know if I'm > answering the exact question you asked, but there is a book > " Natural Eye Care " by Marc Grossman, O.D., L.Ac., and Michael > Edson, M.S., L.Ac. You can contact them at www.visionworksusa.com > The book covers many eye problems, including macular degeneration. Google has lots of data on acupuncture in macular degeneration. See: http://tinyurl.com/4kks4 It also has data on herbal medicine in macular degeneration. See: http://tinyurl.com/3llr4 Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 Has anyone tried microstimulation for Macular degeneration? I have just ordered a micro-stim unit to try on my patients along with Acupuncture. Would like to hear any feed back. Thanks, Mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 In a message dated 9/23/2004 4:32:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DrSpohn writes: Has anyone tried microstimulation for Macular degeneration? I have just ordered a micro-stim unit to try on my patients along with Acupuncture. Would like to hear any feed back. Thanks, Mary I've seen some info recently and your question peaked my interest. After a quick search, I came up with this site. http://www.scyfix.org/ In it is this info below. Quite a bit of info on the rest of the site. Chris Mechanism of Action It is believed that micro-current stimulation restores cellular electrical balance by changing potentials across cell membranes. This may alter the levels of certain ions and molecules toward a desirable equilibrium. Other physiological effects are believed to be produced: reduction of alkalinity proximate the passage of electrical current and the production of low levels of hydrochloric acid which can scavenge free radicals; attraction of oxygen to the region; localized vasoconstriction and vasodialation; reduction of local hemorrhage; sedation; increased tonicity of local tissues; antisepsis; production of desirable fibroplasia; and reduced neuromuscular irritability. Stimulation through the eyes allows access to 25% of the total blood volume of the body in a typical 20 minute treatment session. The blood consists of many cells which exist to capture electro-magnetic energy to control and direct biochemical reactions. This also includes animating and mineralizing the blood by adjusting the ph. Also, with blindness producing disease, inflamed retinal cells eventually lose cell function. Adenosine triphosphate (ATP) levels drop, protein synthesis drops, the electrical resistance goes up, and cell membrane electrical potential goes down and cellular waste management diminishes. Basically, the cells seem to go dormant for a time before they die. So, it is believed that, if electrical stimulation is provided to the cells before they die, blood vessel permeability is increased, a more normal cellular electrical potential will be achieved, the ATP levels will increase, and protein synthesis will occur again. This has important implications also for increased nerve conduction. By increasing the flicker fusion resolution and refresh rates Micro-current therapy increases signal strength to the brain. The macula has 128 million pixels or 100 million more than a high resolution TV monitor. As the action potentials increase from increased ATP production there is an increase in signal strength, conduction, and transmission serially to facilitate rod and cone re-polarization, regeneration, and visual processing. As mentioned above, MCS Therapy works by increasing intracellular ATP (adenosine triphosphate) concentrations, enhancing protein synthesis, and stimulating the cells ability to absorb nutrients (Ngok Cheng, M.D.). It is theorized that through these mechanisms, MCS Therapy improves RPE efficiency and thereby may restore and/or improve macular function. In a 20 minute exposure to 500 micro-amps of stimulation ATP production is increased by 500%. ATP is synthesized in the mitochondria process known as the Krebs Cycle, the sequence of reactions in the mitochondria that complete the oxidation of glucose in respiration. Kroll and Guerrieri have shown age related changes in mitochondrial metabolism resulting in a decrease of the ATP synthase activity. Guerrieri has gone further to show functional and structural differences of the mitochondria F0F1 ATP synthase complex in aging rats. It is theorized that many retinal diseases, at least in part, are due to a decrease in mitochondria function and the subsequent decrease in intracellular ATP. This decrease in mitochondria function results from free radical damage and the mutation of mtDNA (mitochondria DNA). It is interesting to note the genetic link between ATP and retinal disease. ATP Synthase (ATPase) is an enzyme which catalyzes the synthesis of ATP. A genetic defect in the ATPase 6 Gene has now been implicated in Retinitis Pigmentosa. Return to Top What Is The Difference Between The ScyFIX 600 And Other Devices On The Market? Research by Cheng demonstrated a very significant difference between the types of electrical stimulators known as TENS devices and those classified as micro current stimulators. The research showed that by treating with currents below 1000 micro Amps (less than 1 milli Amp), there was a 75% higher amino acid uptake and up to a 400% increase in intracellular ATP concentrations. In those treated with more than 1000 micro Amps (more than 1 milli Amp), there were actually depressed levels of these substances, often less than the non-treated controls. It is critically important to note that the less expensive TENS devices do not treat in the safe and effective micro Amp range and treat at much higher levels, some as high as 80 milli Amps. This is dangerous and can potentially deplete intracellular ATP and shut down the Kreb’s Cycle, having the reverse effect of MCS Therapy. The ScyFIX 600 is more advanced than a standard therapeutic electrical stimulator and is regulated to prevent treatment above the safe micro Amp range. Return to Top What Is The Legal Status Of MCS Therapy? ScyFIX 600 is approved for use in accordance with the CE mark, no 0434, and US patent number 552 2864. The ScyFIX 600 is defined as a Class 1 (non-invasive) product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 See the prior references here to Marc Grossman's book. On his website http://www.visionworksusa.com/ he describes a mask-like device for delivering microstimulation around the eyes for this and other vision-related problems. He says he has had good success with it for macular degeneration, both wet and dry. I have no vision problems; I tried it for 10 minutes and found that for several days afterwards, my perception of colors and my clarity of vision were very enhanced. Pat Has anyone tried microstimulation for Macular degeneration? I have just ordered a micro-stim unit to try on my patients along with Acupuncture. Would like to hear any feed back. Thanks, Mary ============================================================================== NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, use or disseminate the information; please advise the sender immediately by reply email and delete this message and any attachments without retaining a copy. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that may affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. ============================================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Hi Pat, Could you give a bit more information on what that mask-like device is? Is it something you bought from them? I also have been looking on some information about macular scarring and how/if acupuncture can be of any help (see earlier post). Came across Doctor Otte. http://www.microacupuncture.com/ I am due to talk to one of the doctors there at the beginning of next week so they can give me advise on treatments for my patient. Will let you know. Regards May On 23/9/04 4:19 pm, " Pat Ethridge " <pat.ethridge wrote: > See the prior references here to Marc Grossman's book. On his website > http://www.visionworksusa.com/ he describes a mask-like device for > delivering microstimulation around the eyes for this and other > vision-related problems. He says he has had good success with it for > macular degeneration, both wet and dry. I have no vision problems; I tried > it for 10 minutes and found that for several days afterwards, my perception > of colors and my clarity of vision were very enhanced. > > Pat > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 I have found it worthwhile for any head problems to check out how the skull sits on the Atlas and that on 1 T. If there is an ipsilateral tilt of vertex to R, all bony plates from parietal to sphenoid, together with the neck vertebrae, will tend to pull towards the L. If the vertebral artery and it's basilar branches which nourish in the intracranial structures are crimped, diminishing the blood flow, to the choroid layer laden with capillaries, sectoral degeneration can easily result. By a simple restructuring the tilted skull may bring about flourishing of qi and blood and a recovery of function to the extent it is possible. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Yes, I second that request. Thanks- John Garbarini --- May Lucken-Ardjomande <maylucken wrote: > Hi Pat, > > Could you give a bit more information on what that > mask-like device is? > Is it something you bought from them? > > I also have been looking on some information about > macular scarring and > how/if acupuncture can be of any help (see earlier > post). > > Came across Doctor Otte. > http://www.microacupuncture.com/ > I am due to talk to one of the doctors there at the > beginning of next week > so they can give me advise on treatments for my > patient. Will let you know. > > Regards > > May > > > > > On 23/9/04 4:19 pm, " Pat Ethridge " > <pat.ethridge wrote: > > > See the prior references here to Marc Grossman's > book. On his website > > http://www.visionworksusa.com/ he describes a > mask-like device for > > delivering microstimulation around the eyes for > this and other > > vision-related problems. He says he has had good > success with it for > > macular degeneration, both wet and dry. I have no > vision problems; I tried > > it for 10 minutes and found that for several days > afterwards, my perception > > of colors and my clarity of vision were very > enhanced. > > > > Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 I believe they discuss it on the website. The mask fits over the eyes and emits electrical stimulation at the acupuncture points around the orbit of the eye. The person wearing it sees flashing lights in rhythmic synchrony with the stimulation. It can be set to different rates. Pat Hi Pat, Could you give a bit more information on what that mask-like device is? Is it something you bought from them? I also have been looking on some information about macular scarring and how/if acupuncture can be of any help (see earlier post). Came across Doctor Otte. http://www.microacupuncture.com/ I am due to talk to one of the doctors there at the beginning of next week so they can give me advise on treatments for my patient. Will let you know. Regards May On 23/9/04 4:19 pm, " Pat Ethridge " <pat.ethridge wrote: > See the prior references here to Marc Grossman's book. On his website > http://www.visionworksusa.com/ he describes a mask-like device for > delivering microstimulation around the eyes for this and other > vision-related problems. He says he has had good success with it for > macular degeneration, both wet and dry. I have no vision problems; I tried > it for 10 minutes and found that for several days afterwards, my perception > of colors and my clarity of vision were very enhanced. > > Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Macular Degeneration risk is reduced in adults with high intakes of lutein and zeaxanthin Age-Related Macular Degeneration (AMD) is a degenerative eye disease that causes damage to the macula (central retina) of the eye, impairing central vision. In a recent large study, participants with the highest intakes of the carotenoids lutein and zeaxanthin had significantly lower risk of AMD compared to those with low intakes. Age-Related Macular Degeneration (AMD) is a degenerative eye disease that causes damage to the macula (central retina) of the eye, impairing central vision. People affected by Age-Related Macular Degeneration have difficulty reading, driving and performing activities that require clear central vision. AMD is the most common cause of vision loss in developed countries. A recent report published in the September, 2007 issue of the journal Archives of Ophthalmology added more evidence to support previous research showing that carotenoids zeaxanthin and lutein are protective against AMD. Dark green leafy vegetables are the primary dietary sources of lutein and zeaxanthin, but they are also found in some other colorful fruits and vegetables. Average dietary intake in the U.S. is only 2 mg/day, far below the 6 mg/day level most studies indicate as a minimum needed to reduce the risk of AMD. In the current report, members of the Age-Related Eye Disease Study (AREDS) Research Group evaluated the diets of 4,519 AREDS participants aged 60 to 80 years. Retinal photographs were used to divide the subjects into five categories of macular disease severity, from individuals with little or no evidence of macular degeneration (the control group) to severe, neovascular disease. Dietary questionnaires were analyzed for lutein, zeaxanthin, beta- carotene, lycopene, and other nutrient levels. Participants whose intake of lutein and zeaxanthin were greatest had a significantly lower risk of AMD than those whose intake was least, and were less likely to have large or extensive intermediate drusen, the deposits on the retina or optic nerve that characterize the disease. No risk reductions were associated with the other nutrients examined in this study. The Relationship of Dietary Carotenoid and Vitamin A, E, and C Intake With Age-Related Macular Degeneration in a Case-Control Study: AREDS Report No. 22. Age-Related Eye Disease Study Research Group. Arch Ophthalmol. 2007;125:1225-1232. See Visionex at www.lesleymreid.usana.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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