Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Arab News: Telling the Whole Truth About Oil Posted by: " Mark Graffis " mgraffis mgraffis Tue Nov 6, 2007 3:48 am (PST) http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7 & section=0 & article=103243 & d=6 & m=11 & y=2007 Telling the Whole Truth About Oil Gwynne Dyer, Arab News If a diplomat is “an honest man sent abroad to lie for the good of his country” (Sir Henry Wotton, 1612), then oil industry executives used to be the business world’s equivalent of diplomats. The big international companies were chronically optimistic about the extent of their reserves, and state-controlled oil companies were even more prone to exaggeration. But now we have the spectacle of oil companies telling the truth about oil supplies or at least more of the truth than usual. The occasion was last week’s Oil and Money conference in London, and the most spectacular truth-teller was Christophe de Margerie, CEO of the French oil company Total, one of the international “big five.” Last year his predecessor, Thierry Desmarest, caused a flutter in the industry by predicting that world oil output would peak around 2020. This year, de Margerie said that “100 million barrels (per day)...is now in my view an optimistic case.” He was referring to the International Energy Agency’s estimate that world oil output would reach 116 million barrels/day by 2030, and the slightly more optimistic US government prediction that it will reach 118 million b/d by that date. Even these acts of faith are really a forecast of crisis, since calculations based on current trends (like a 15 percent annual growth in Chinese demand) suggest that 140 million b/d will be needed by 2030. The implication of De Margerie’s remarks is that the crisis is coming a lot sooner than that. World oil output is nearing 90 million b/d now, but it is never going to reach 100 million b/d. “Peak oil” may be just a few years away, or it may be right now. (You will never know until after the fact, since it is the point at which global oil production goes into gradual but irreversible decline.) Peak oil was first forecast by an American petroleum geologist, M. King Hubbert, who noticed that the curves for oil discoveries and oil production were a very close match, but with a lag of thirty to forty years between the discovery curve and the production curve. At that point, in 1956, Hubbert was the director of research for Shell Oil, and the focus of his research was American oil production, then still the biggest in the world. At that time, American oil output was still rising rapidly, but Hubbert noticed that the shape of the output curve closely fitted the curve plotting the growth of American oil reserves during the years of the great discoveries in Texas, Oklahoma and California. However, there had been no other huge discoveries since, so the annual amount added to American oil reserves had peaked and begun to decline in the late 1930s. Hubbert simply assumed that the production curve would continue to match the discovery curve with a three or four-decade lag, in which case, he predicted, US oil production would peak and start to decline in 1970. That is exactly what it did, and American oil production is now down to about half of output in that peak year. So “Hubbert’s Curve” became famous in the industry, and was duly applied to global discovery and production rates as well. Oil discoveries worldwide peaked in the 1960s, so Hubbert’s own forecast was that peak oil production worldwide would arrive in the 1990s. The discovery of two giant new oilfields in the 1970s (probably the last two) in the North Sea and the Alaskan North Slope pushed that date down a bit, however, and one of Hubbert’s successors as chief of research at Shell, Colin J. Campbell, subsequently calculated that peak production globally would not arrive until 2007. Now, in other words. It is still deeply unpopular in the oil industry to talk about peak oil, but essentially what de Margerie was saying, albeit in a cautious and coded way, is that it is here or nearly here. The same sort of talk is coming from Rex Tillerson, chairman of ExxonMobil, who told the Financial Times earlier this year that he believed oil production from sources outside the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries could see “a little more growth” but would soon level off. And OPEC is generally assumed to be pumping very close to maximum capacity. The International Energy Agency predicts that demand for oil will rise by 2 percent annually up to 2012. The recent surge in the oil price, which may see it reach $100 a barrel in the near future, is largely a mirage caused by the collapse in the value of the US dollar. (The price of oil is generally quoted in US dollars, but cost of a barrel of oil in euros or yen has risen far less dramatically this year.) But the longer-term trend, which saw the price rise fivefold between 1999 and 2005, was driven by the tightening supply situation as demand raced ahead while production did not. It will get a lot worse if de Margerie is right, and he almost certainly is. sAt 08:37 AM 11/6/07, you wrote: Arab News: Telling the Whole Truth About Oil Posted by: " Mark Graffis " mgraffis mgraffis Tue Nov 6, 2007 3:48 am (PST) http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7 & section=0 & article=103243 & d=6 & m=11 & y=2007 Telling the Whole Truth About Oil Gwynne Dyer, Arab News If a diplomat is “an honest man sent abroad to lie for the good of his country” (Sir Henry Wotton, 1612), then oil industry executives used to be the business world’s equivalent of diplomats. The big international companies were chronically optimistic about the extent of their reserves, and state-controlled oil companies were even more prone to exaggeration. But now we have the spectacle of oil companies telling the truth about oil supplies — or at least more of the truth than usual. The occasion was last week’s Oil and Money conference in London, and the most spectacular truth-teller was Christophe de Margerie, CEO of the French oil company Total, one of the international “big five.” Last year his predecessor, Thierry Desmarest, caused a flutter in the industry by predicting that world oil output would peak around 2020. This year, de Margerie said that “100 million barrels (per day)...is now in my view an optimistic case.” He was referring to the International Energy Agency’s estimate that world oil output would reach 116 million barrels/day by 2030, and the slightly more optimistic US government prediction that it will reach 118 million b/d by that date. Even these acts of faith are really a forecast of crisis, since calculations based on current trends (like a 15 percent annual growth in Chinese demand) suggest that 140 million b/d will be needed by 2030. The implication of De Margerie’s remarks is that the crisis is coming a lot sooner than that. World oil output is nearing 90 million b/d now, but it is never going to reach 100 million b/d. “Peak oil” may be just a few years away, or it may be right now. (You will never know until after the fact, since it is the point at which global oil production goes into gradual but irreversible decline.) Peak oil was first forecast by an American petroleum geologist, M. King Hubbert, who noticed that the curves for oil discoveries and oil production were a very close match, but with a lag of thirty to forty years between the discovery curve and the production curve. At that point, in 1956, Hubbert was the director of research for Shell Oil, and the focus of his research was American oil production, then still the biggest in the world. At that time, American oil output was still rising rapidly, but Hubbert noticed that the shape of the output curve closely fitted the curve plotting the growth of American oil reserves during the years of the great discoveries in Texas, Oklahoma and California. However, there had been no other huge discoveries since, so the annual amount added to American oil reserves had peaked and begun to decline in the late 1930s. Hubbert simply assumed that the production curve would continue to match the discovery curve with a three— or four-decade lag, in which case, he predicted, US oil production would peak and start to decline in 1970. That is exactly what it did, and American oil production is now down to about half of output in that peak year. So “Hubbert’s Curve” became famous in the industry, and was duly applied to global discovery and production rates as well. Oil discoveries worldwide peaked in the 1960s, so Hubbert’s own forecast was that peak oil production worldwide would arrive in the 1990s. The discovery of two giant new oilfields in the 1970s (probably the last two) in the North Sea and the Alaskan North Slope pushed that date down a bit, however, and one of Hubbert’s successors as chief of research at Shell, Colin J. Campbell, subsequently calculated that peak production globally would not arrive until 2007. Now, in other words. It is still deeply unpopular in the oil industry to talk about peak oil, but essentially what de Margerie was saying, albeit in a cautious and coded way, is that it is here or nearly here. The same sort of talk is coming from Rex Tillerson, chairman of ExxonMobil, who told the Financial Times earlier this year that he believed oil production from sources outside the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries could see “a little more growth” but would soon level off. And OPEC is generally assumed to be pumping very close to maximum capacity. The International Energy Agency predicts that demand for oil will rise by 2 percent annually up to 2012. The recent surge in the oil price, which may see it reach $100 a barrel in the near future, is largely a mirage caused by the collapse in the value of the US dollar. (The price of oil is generally quoted in US dollars, but cost of a barrel of oil in euros or yen has risen far less dramatically this year.) But the longer-term trend, which saw the price rise fivefold between 1999 and 2005, was driven by the tightening supply situation as demand raced ahead while production did not. It will get a lot worse if de Margerie is right, and he almost certainly is. ****** Kraig and Shirley Carroll ... in the woods of SE Kentucky http://www.thehavens.com/ thehavens 606-376-3363 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Now, we have this rubbish peak oil again. It is a hoax sprede by those there have an interest in it....and offer their solution to it. Which of course is more government....more taxes.....less liberty. A bunch of scammers. There is something going on in America, some powerful people have pluged some oil field, and proclaim we are running out off oil. Some bloody crooks. tirsdag 6. nov 2007 kl. 16:57 skrev The Havens: > > Arab News: Telling the Whole Truth About Oil > > > Posted by: " Mark Graffis " mgraffis mgraffis > > > Tue Nov 6, 2007 3:48 am (PST) > > http://www.arabnews.com/ > ?page=7 & section=0 & article=103243 & d=6 & m=11 & y=2007 > Telling the Whole Truth About Oil > Gwynne Dyer, Arab News > If a diplomat is “an honest man sent abroad to lie for the good of his > country” (Sir Henry Wotton, 1612), then oil industry executives used > to be the business world’s equivalent of diplomats. The big > international companies were chronically optimistic about the extent > of their reserves, and state-controlled oil companies were even more > prone to exaggeration. But now we have the spectacle of oil companies > telling the truth about oil supplies or at least more of the truth > than usual. The occasion was last week’s Oil and Money conference in > London, and the most spectacular truth-teller was Christophe de > Margerie, CEO of the French oil company Total, one of the > international “big five.” Last year his predecessor, Thierry > Desmarest, caused a flutter in the industry by predicting that world > oil output would peak around 2020. This year, de Margerie said that > “100 million barrels (per day)...is now in my view an optimistic > case.” > He was referring to the International Energy Agency’s estimate that > world oil output would reach 116 million barrels/day by 2030, and the > slightly more optimistic US government prediction that it will reach > 118 million b/d by that date. Even these acts of faith are really a > forecast of crisis, since calculations based on current trends (like a > 15 percent annual growth in Chinese demand) suggest that 140 million > b/d will be needed by 2030. > The implication of De Margerie’s remarks is that the crisis is coming > a lot sooner than that. World oil output is nearing 90 million b/d > now, but it is never going to reach 100 million b/d. “Peak oil” may be > just a few years away, or it may be right now. (You will never know > until after the fact, since it is the point at which global oil > production goes into gradual but irreversible decline.) > Peak oil was first forecast by an American petroleum geologist, M. > King Hubbert, who noticed that the curves for oil discoveries and oil > production were a very close match, but with a lag of thirty to forty > years between the discovery curve and the production curve. At that > point, in 1956, Hubbert was the director of research for Shell Oil, > and the focus of his research was American oil production, then still > the biggest in the world. > At that time, American oil output was still rising rapidly, but > Hubbert noticed that the shape of the output curve closely fitted the > curve plotting the growth of American oil reserves during the years of > the great discoveries in Texas, Oklahoma and California. However, > there had been no other huge discoveries since, so the annual amount > added to American oil reserves had peaked and begun to decline in the > late 1930s. Hubbert simply assumed that the production curve would > continue to match the discovery curve with a three or four-decade > lag, in which case, he predicted, US oil production would peak and > start to decline in 1970. That is exactly what it did, and American > oil production is now down to about half of output in that peak year. > So “Hubbert’s Curve” became famous in the industry, and was duly > applied to global discovery and production rates as well. > > Oil discoveries worldwide peaked in the 1960s, so Hubbert’s own > forecast was that peak oil production worldwide would arrive in the > 1990s. The discovery of two giant new oilfields in the 1970s (probably > the last two) in the North Sea and the Alaskan North Slope pushed that > date down a bit, however, and one of Hubbert’s successors as chief of > research at Shell, Colin J. Campbell, subsequently calculated that > peak production globally would not arrive until 2007. Now, in other > words. > It is still deeply unpopular in the oil industry to talk about peak > oil, but essentially what de Margerie was saying, albeit in a cautious > and coded way, is that it is here or nearly here. The same sort of > talk is coming from Rex Tillerson, chairman of ExxonMobil, who told > the Financial Times earlier this year that he believed oil production > from sources outside the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries > could see “a little more growth” but would soon level off. And OPEC is > generally assumed to be pumping very close to maximum capacity. > The International Energy Agency predicts that demand for oil will rise > by 2 percent annually up to 2012. > The recent surge in the oil price, which may see it reach $100 a > barrel in the near future, is largely a mirage caused by the collapse > in the value of the US dollar. (The price of oil is generally quoted > in US dollars, but cost of a barrel of oil in euros or yen has risen > far less dramatically this year.) But the longer-term trend, which saw > the price rise fivefold between 1999 and 2005, was driven by the > tightening supply situation as demand raced ahead while production did > not. > It will get a lot worse if de Margerie is right, and he almost > certainly is. > > sAt 08:37 AM 11/6/07, you wrote: > > Arab News: Telling the Whole Truth About Oil > Posted by: " Mark Graffis " mgraffis mgraffis > Tue Nov 6, 2007 3:48 am (PST) > http://www.arabnews.com/ > ?page=7 & section=0 & article=103243 & d=6 & m=11 & y=2007 > > Telling the Whole Truth About Oil > Gwynne Dyer, Arab News > > If a diplomat is “an honest man sent abroad to lie for the good of his > country” (Sir Henry Wotton, 1612), then oil industry executives used > to be the business world’s equivalent of diplomats. The big > international companies were chronically optimistic about the extent > of their reserves, and state-controlled oil companies were even more > prone to exaggeration. But now we have the spectacle of oil companies > telling the truth about oil supplies — or at least more of the truth > than usual. The occasion was last week’s Oil and Money conference in > London, and the most spectacular truth-teller was Christophe de > Margerie, CEO of the French oil company Total, one of the > international “big five.” Last year his predecessor, Thierry > Desmarest, caused a flutter in the industry by predicting that world > oil output would peak around 2020. This year, de Margerie said that > “100 million barrels (per day)...is now in my view an optimistic > case.” > > He was referring to the International Energy Agency’s estimate that > world oil output would reach 116 million barrels/day by 2030, and the > slightly more optimistic US government prediction that it will reach > 118 million b/d by that date. Even these acts of faith are really a > forecast of crisis, since calculations based on current trends (like a > 15 percent annual growth in Chinese demand) suggest that 140 million > b/d will be needed by 2030. > > The implication of De Margerie’s remarks is that the crisis is coming > a lot sooner than that. World oil output is nearing 90 million b/d > now, but it is never going to reach 100 million b/d. “Peak oil” may be > just a few years away, or it may be right now. (You will never know > until after the fact, since it is the point at which global oil > production goes into gradual but irreversible decline.) > > Peak oil was first forecast by an American petroleum geologist, M. > King Hubbert, who noticed that the curves for oil discoveries and oil > production were a very close match, but with a lag of thirty to forty > years between the discovery curve and the production curve. At that > point, in 1956, Hubbert was the director of research for Shell Oil, > and the focus of his research was American oil production, then still > the biggest in the world. > > At that time, American oil output was still rising rapidly, but > Hubbert noticed that the shape of the output curve closely fitted the > curve plotting the growth of American oil reserves during the years of > the great discoveries in Texas, Oklahoma and California. However, > there had been no other huge discoveries since, so the annual amount > added to American oil reserves had peaked and begun to decline in the > late 1930s. Hubbert simply assumed that the production curve would > continue to match the discovery curve with a three— or four-decade > lag, in which case, he predicted, US oil production would peak and > start to decline in 1970. That is exactly what it did, and American > oil production is now down to about half of output in that peak year. > So “Hubbert’s Curve” became famous in the industry, and was duly > applied to global discovery and production rates as well. > > Oil discoveries worldwide peaked in the 1960s, so Hubbert’s own > forecast was that peak oil production worldwide would arrive in the > 1990s. The discovery of two giant new oilfields in the 1970s (probably > the last two) in the North Sea and the Alaskan North Slope pushed that > date down a bit, however, and one of Hubbert’s successors as chief of > research at Shell, Colin J. Campbell, subsequently calculated that > peak production globally would not arrive until 2007. Now, in other > words. > > It is still deeply unpopular in the oil industry to talk about peak > oil, but essentially what de Margerie was saying, albeit in a cautious > and coded way, is that it is here or nearly here. The same sort of > talk is coming from Rex Tillerson, chairman of ExxonMobil, who told > the Financial Times earlier this year that he believed oil production > from sources outside the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries > could see “a little more growth” but would soon level off. And OPEC is > generally assumed to be pumping very close to maximum capacity. > > The International Energy Agency predicts that demand for oil will rise > by 2 percent annually up to 2012. > > The recent surge in the oil price, which may see it reach $100 a > barrel in the near future, is largely a mirage caused by the collapse > in the value of the US dollar. (The price of oil is generally quoted > in US dollars, but cost of a barrel of oil in euros or yen has risen > far less dramatically this year.) But the longer-term trend, which saw > the price rise fivefold between 1999 and 2005, was driven by the > tightening supply situation as demand raced ahead while production did > not. > > It will get a lot worse if de Margerie is right, and he almost > certainly is. > > > ****** > Kraig and Shirley Carroll ... in the woods of SE Kentucky > http://www.thehavens.com/ > thehavens > 606-376-3363 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release 2/14/05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 You said a mouthfull there Kenn...bloody crooks.... --- kenn johnsen <kennj wrote: > Now, we have this rubbish peak oil again. It is a hoax sprede by those > there have an interest in it....and offer their solution to it. Which > of course is more government....more taxes.....less liberty. A bunch of > scammers. There is something going on in America, some powerful people > have pluged some oil field, and proclaim we are running out off oil. > Some bloody crooks. > > > tirsdag 6. nov 2007 kl. 16:57 skrev The Havens: > > > > > > Arab News: Telling the Whole Truth About Oil > > > > > > Posted by: " Mark Graffis " mgraffis mgraffis > > > > > > Tue Nov 6, 2007 3:48 am (PST) > > > > http://www.arabnews.com/ > > ?page=7 & section=0 & article=103243 & d=6 & m=11 & y=2007 > > Telling the Whole Truth About Oil > > Gwynne Dyer, Arab News > > If a diplomat is “an honest man sent abroad to lie for the good of his > > country” (Sir Henry Wotton, 1612), then oil industry executives used > > to be the business world’s equivalent of diplomats. The big > > international companies were chronically optimistic about the extent > > of their reserves, and state-controlled oil companies were even more > > prone to exaggeration. But now we have the spectacle of oil companies > > telling the truth about oil supplies or at least more of the truth > > than usual. The occasion was last week’s Oil and Money conference in > > London, and the most spectacular truth-teller was Christophe de > > Margerie, CEO of the French oil company Total, one of the > > international “big five.” Last year his predecessor, Thierry > > Desmarest, caused a flutter in the industry by predicting that world > > oil output would peak around 2020. This year, de Margerie said that > > “100 million barrels (per day)...is now in my view an optimistic > case.” > > He was referring to the International Energy Agency’s estimate that > > world oil output would reach 116 million barrels/day by 2030, and the > > slightly more optimistic US government prediction that it will reach > > 118 million b/d by that date. Even these acts of faith are really a > > forecast of crisis, since calculations based on current trends (like a > > 15 percent annual growth in Chinese demand) suggest that 140 million > > b/d will be needed by 2030. > > The implication of De Margerie’s remarks is that the crisis is coming > > a lot sooner than that. World oil output is nearing 90 million b/d > > now, but it is never going to reach 100 million b/d. “Peak oil” may be > > just a few years away, or it may be right now. (You will never know > > until after the fact, since it is the point at which global oil > > production goes into gradual but irreversible decline.) > > Peak oil was first forecast by an American petroleum geologist, M. > > King Hubbert, who noticed that the curves for oil discoveries and oil > > production were a very close match, but with a lag of thirty to forty > > years between the discovery curve and the production curve. At that > > point, in 1956, Hubbert was the director of research for Shell Oil, > > and the focus of his research was American oil production, then still > > the biggest in the world. > > At that time, American oil output was still rising rapidly, but > > Hubbert noticed that the shape of the output curve closely fitted the > > curve plotting the growth of American oil reserves during the years of > > the great discoveries in Texas, Oklahoma and California. However, > > there had been no other huge discoveries since, so the annual amount > > added to American oil reserves had peaked and begun to decline in the > > late 1930s. Hubbert simply assumed that the production curve would > > continue to match the discovery curve with a three or four-decade > > lag, in which case, he predicted, US oil production would peak and > > start to decline in 1970. That is exactly what it did, and American > > oil production is now down to about half of output in that peak year. > > So “Hubbert’s Curve” became famous in the industry, and was duly > > applied to global discovery and production rates as well. > > > > Oil discoveries worldwide peaked in the 1960s, so Hubbert’s own > > forecast was that peak oil production worldwide would arrive in the > > 1990s. The discovery of two giant new oilfields in the 1970s (probably > > the last two) in the North Sea and the Alaskan North Slope pushed that > > date down a bit, however, and one of Hubbert’s successors as chief of > > research at Shell, Colin J. Campbell, subsequently calculated that > > peak production globally would not arrive until 2007. Now, in other > > words. > > It is still deeply unpopular in the oil industry to talk about peak > > oil, but essentially what de Margerie was saying, albeit in a cautious > > and coded way, is that it is here or nearly here. The same sort of > > talk is coming from Rex Tillerson, chairman of ExxonMobil, who told > > the Financial Times earlier this year that he believed oil production > > from sources outside the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries > > could see “a little more growth” but would soon level off. And OPEC is > > generally assumed to be pumping very close to maximum capacity. > > The International Energy Agency predicts that demand for oil will rise > > by 2 percent annually up to 2012. > > The recent surge in the oil price, which may see it reach $100 a > > barrel in the near future, is largely a mirage caused by the collapse > > in the value of the US dollar. (The price of oil is generally quoted > > in US dollars, but cost of a barrel of oil in euros or yen has risen > > far less dramatically this year.) But the longer-term trend, which saw > > the price rise fivefold between 1999 and 2005, was driven by the > > tightening supply situation as demand raced ahead while production did > > not. > > It will get a lot worse if de Margerie is right, and he almost > > certainly is. > > > > sAt 08:37 AM 11/6/07, you wrote: > > > > Arab News: Telling the Whole Truth About Oil > > Posted by: " Mark Graffis " mgraffis mgraffis > > Tue Nov 6, 2007 3:48 am (PST) > > http://www.arabnews.com/ > > ?page=7 & section=0 & article=103243 & d=6 & m=11 & y=2007 > > > > Telling the Whole Truth About Oil > > Gwynne Dyer, Arab News > > > > If a diplomat is “an honest man sent abroad to lie for the good of his > > country” (Sir Henry Wotton, 1612), then oil industry executives used > > to be the business world’s equivalent of diplomats. The big > > international companies were chronically optimistic about the extent > > of their reserves, and state-controlled oil companies were even more > > prone to exaggeration. But now we have the spectacle of oil companies > > telling the truth about oil supplies — or at least more of the truth > > than usual. The occasion was last week’s Oil and Money conference in > > London, and the most spectacular truth-teller was Christophe de > > Margerie, CEO of the French oil company Total, one of the > > international “big five.” Last year his predecessor, Thierry > > Desmarest, caused a flutter in the industry by predicting that world > > oil output would peak around 2020. This year, de Margerie said that > > “100 million barrels (per day)...is now in my view an optimistic > case.” > > > > He was referring to the International Energy Agency’s estimate that > > world oil output would reach 116 million barrels/day by 2030, and the > > slightly more optimistic US government prediction that it will reach > > 118 million b/d by that date. Even these acts of faith are really a > > forecast of crisis, since calculations based on current trends (like a > > 15 percent annual growth in Chinese demand) suggest that 140 million > > b/d will be needed by 2030. > > > > The implication of De Margerie’s remarks is that the crisis is coming > > a lot sooner than that. World oil output is nearing 90 million b/d > > now, but it is never going to reach 100 million b/d. “Peak oil” may be > > just a few years away, or it may be right now. (You will never know > > until after the fact, since it is the point at which global oil > > production goes into gradual but irreversible decline.) > > > > Peak oil was first forecast by an American petroleum geologist, M. > > King Hubbert, who noticed that the curves for oil discoveries and oil > > production were a very close match, but with a lag of thirty to forty > > years between the discovery curve and the production curve. At that > > point, in 1956, Hubbert was the director of research for Shell Oil, > > and the focus of his research was American oil production, then still > > the biggest in the world. > > > > At that time, American oil output was still rising rapidly, but > > Hubbert noticed that the shape of the output curve closely fitted the > > curve plotting the growth of American oil reserves during the years of > > the great discoveries in Texas, Oklahoma and California. However, > > there had been no other huge discoveries since, so the annual amount > > added to American oil reserves had peaked and begun to decline in the > > late 1930s. Hubbert simply assumed that the production curve would > > continue to match the discovery curve with a three— or four-decade > > lag, in which case, he predicted, US oil production would peak and > > start to decline in 1970. That is exactly what it did, and American > > oil production is now down to about half of output in that peak year. > > So “Hubbert’s Curve” became famous in the industry, and was duly > > applied to global discovery and production rates as well. > > > > Oil discoveries worldwide peaked in the 1960s, so Hubbert’s own > > forecast was that peak oil production worldwide would arrive in the > > 1990s. The discovery of two giant new oilfields in the 1970s (probably > > the last two) in the North Sea and the Alaskan North Slope pushed that > > date down a bit, however, and one of Hubbert’s successors as chief of > > research at Shell, Colin J. Campbell, subsequently calculated that > > peak production globally would not arrive until 2007. Now, in other > > words. > > > > It is still deeply unpopular in the oil industry to talk about peak > > oil, but essentially what de Margerie was saying, albeit in a cautious > > and coded way, is that it is here or nearly here. The same sort of > > talk is coming from Rex Tillerson, chairman of ExxonMobil, who told > > the Financial Times earlier this year that he believed oil production > > from sources outside the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries > > could see “a little more growth” but would soon level off. And OPEC is > > generally assumed to be pumping very close to maximum capacity. > > > > The International Energy Agency predicts that demand for oil will rise > > by 2 percent annually up to 2012. > > > > The recent surge in the oil price, which may see it reach $100 a > > barrel in the near future, is largely a mirage caused by the collapse > > in the value of the US dollar. (The price of oil is generally quoted > > in US dollars, but cost of a barrel of oil in euros or yen has risen > > far less dramatically this year.) But the longer-term trend, which saw > > the price rise fivefold between 1999 and 2005, was driven by the > > tightening supply situation as demand raced ahead while production did > > not. > > > > It will get a lot worse if de Margerie is right, and he almost > > certainly is. > > > > > > ****** > > Kraig and Shirley Carroll ... in the woods of SE Kentucky > > http://www.thehavens.com/ > > thehavens > > 606-376-3363 > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release 2/14/05 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Lynda K. B.Taylor Timber Creek Ranch "Connecting thru a Whisper" Natural Horse-Man-Ship timbercreek www.lyndakbundrant.com www.connectingthruawhisper.com 307-347-3711 - Brenda Joyce Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:49 PM Re: Re: [graffis-l] PEAK OIL, ANOTHER LOOK! You said a mouthfull there Kenn...bloody crooks....--- kenn johnsen <kennj (AT) webspeed (DOT) dk> wrote:> Now, we have this rubbish peak oil again. It is a hoax sprede by those > there have an interest in it....and offer their solution to it. Which > of course is more government....more taxes.....less liberty. A bunch of > scammers. There is something going on in America, some powerful people > have pluged some oil field, and proclaim we are running out off oil. > Some bloody crooks.> > > tirsdag 6. nov 2007 kl. 16:57 skrev The Havens:> > >> >> Arab News: Telling the Whole Truth About Oil> >> >> > Posted by: "Mark Graffis" mgraffis mgraffis> >> >> > Tue Nov 6, 2007 3:48 am (PST)> >> > http://www.arabnews.com/ > > ?page=7 & section=0 & article=103243 & d=6 & m=11 & y=2007> > Telling the Whole Truth About Oil> > Gwynne Dyer, Arab News> > If a diplomat is “an honest man sent abroad to lie for the good of his > > country” (Sir Henry Wotton, 1612), then oil industry executives used > > to be the business world’s equivalent of diplomats. The big > > international companies were chronically optimistic about the extent > > of their reserves, and state-controlled oil companies were even more > > prone to exaggeration. But now we have the spectacle of oil companies > > telling the truth about oil supplies or at least more of the truth > > than usual. The occasion was last week’s Oil and Money conference in > > London, and the most spectacular truth-teller was Christophe de > > Margerie, CEO of the French oil company Total, one of the > > international “big five.” Last year his predecessor, Thierry > > Desmarest, caused a flutter in the industry by predicting that world > > oil output would peak around 2020. This year, de Margerie said that > > “100 million barrels (per day)...is now in my view an optimistic > case.”> > He was referring to the International Energy Agency’s estimate that > > world oil output would reach 116 million barrels/day by 2030, and the > > slightly more optimistic US government prediction that it will reach > > 118 million b/d by that date. Even these acts of faith are really a > > forecast of crisis, since calculations based on current trends (like a > > 15 percent annual growth in Chinese demand) suggest that 140 million > > b/d will be needed by 2030.> > The implication of De Margerie’s remarks is that the crisis is coming > > a lot sooner than that. World oil output is nearing 90 million b/d > > now, but it is never going to reach 100 million b/d. “Peak oil” may be > > just a few years away, or it may be right now. (You will never know > > until after the fact, since it is the point at which global oil > > production goes into gradual but irreversible decline.)> > Peak oil was first forecast by an American petroleum geologist, M. > > King Hubbert, who noticed that the curves for oil discoveries and oil > > production were a very close match, but with a lag of thirty to forty > > years between the discovery curve and the production curve. At that > > point, in 1956, Hubbert was the director of research for Shell Oil, > > and the focus of his research was American oil production, then still > > the biggest in the world.> > At that time, American oil output was still rising rapidly, but > > Hubbert noticed that the shape of the output curve closely fitted the > > curve plotting the growth of American oil reserves during the years of > > the great discoveries in Texas, Oklahoma and California. However, > > there had been no other huge discoveries since, so the annual amount > > added to American oil reserves had peaked and begun to decline in the > > late 1930s. Hubbert simply assumed that the production curve would > > continue to match the discovery curve with a three or four-decade > > lag, in which case, he predicted, US oil production would peak and > > start to decline in 1970. That is exactly what it did, and American > > oil production is now down to about half of output in that peak year. > > So “Hubbert’s Curve” became famous in the industry, and was duly > > applied to global discovery and production rates as well.> >> > Oil discoveries worldwide peaked in the 1960s, so Hubbert’s own > > forecast was that peak oil production worldwide would arrive in the > > 1990s. The discovery of two giant new oilfields in the 1970s (probably > > the last two) in the North Sea and the Alaskan North Slope pushed that > > date down a bit, however, and one of Hubbert’s successors as chief of > > research at Shell, Colin J. Campbell, subsequently calculated that > > peak production globally would not arrive until 2007. Now, in other > > words.> > It is still deeply unpopular in the oil industry to talk about peak > > oil, but essentially what de Margerie was saying, albeit in a cautious > > and coded way, is that it is here or nearly here. The same sort of > > talk is coming from Rex Tillerson, chairman of ExxonMobil, who told > > the Financial Times earlier this year that he believed oil production > > from sources outside the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries > > could see “a little more growth” but would soon level off. And OPEC is > > generally assumed to be pumping very close to maximum capacity.> > The International Energy Agency predicts that demand for oil will rise > > by 2 percent annually up to 2012.> > The recent surge in the oil price, which may see it reach $100 a > > barrel in the near future, is largely a mirage caused by the collapse > > in the value of the US dollar. (The price of oil is generally quoted > > in US dollars, but cost of a barrel of oil in euros or yen has risen > > far less dramatically this year.) But the longer-term trend, which saw > > the price rise fivefold between 1999 and 2005, was driven by the > > tightening supply situation as demand raced ahead while production did > > not.> > It will get a lot worse if de Margerie is right, and he almost > > certainly is.> >> > sAt 08:37 AM 11/6/07, you wrote:> >> > Arab News: Telling the Whole Truth About Oil> > Posted by: "Mark Graffis" mgraffis mgraffis> > Tue Nov 6, 2007 3:48 am (PST)> > http://www.arabnews.com/ > > ?page=7 & section=0 & article=103243 & d=6 & m=11 & y=2007> >> > Telling the Whole Truth About Oil> > Gwynne Dyer, Arab News> >> > If a diplomat is “an honest man sent abroad to lie for the good of his > > country” (Sir Henry Wotton, 1612), then oil industry executives used > > to be the business world’s equivalent of diplomats. The big > > international companies were chronically optimistic about the extent > > of their reserves, and state-controlled oil companies were even more > > prone to exaggeration. But now we have the spectacle of oil companies > > telling the truth about oil supplies — or at least more of the truth > > than usual. The occasion was last week’s Oil and Money conference in > > London, and the most spectacular truth-teller was Christophe de > > Margerie, CEO of the French oil company Total, one of the > > international “big five.” Last year his predecessor, Thierry > > Desmarest, caused a flutter in the industry by predicting that world > > oil output would peak around 2020. This year, de Margerie said that > > “100 million barrels (per day)...is now in my view an optimistic > case.”> >> > He was referring to the International Energy Agency’s estimate that > > world oil output would reach 116 million barrels/day by 2030, and the > > slightly more optimistic US government prediction that it will reach > > 118 million b/d by that date. Even these acts of faith are really a > > forecast of crisis, since calculations based on current trends (like a > > 15 percent annual growth in Chinese demand) suggest that 140 million > > b/d will be needed by 2030.> >> > The implication of De Margerie’s remarks is that the crisis is coming > > a lot sooner than that. World oil output is nearing 90 million b/d > > now, but it is never going to reach 100 million b/d. “Peak oil” may be > > just a few years away, or it may be right now. (You will never know > > until after the fact, since it is the point at which global oil > > production goes into gradual but irreversible decline.)> >> > Peak oil was first forecast by an American petroleum geologist, M. > > King Hubbert, who noticed that the curves for oil discoveries and oil > > production were a very close match, but with a lag of thirty to forty > > years between the discovery curve and the production curve. At that > > point, in 1956, Hubbert was the director of research for Shell Oil, > > and the focus of his research was American oil production, then still > > the biggest in the world.> >> > At that time, American oil output was still rising rapidly, but > > Hubbert noticed that the shape of the output curve closely fitted the > > curve plotting the growth of American oil reserves during the years of > > the great discoveries in Texas, Oklahoma and California. However, > > there had been no other huge discoveries since, so the annual amount > > added to American oil reserves had peaked and begun to decline in the > > late 1930s. Hubbert simply assumed that the production curve would > > continue to match the discovery curve with a three— or four-decade > > lag, in which case, he predicted, US oil production would peak and > > start to decline in 1970. That is exactly what it did, and American > > oil production is now down to about half of output in that peak year. > > So “Hubbert’s Curve” became famous in the industry, and was duly > > applied to global discovery and production rates as well.> >> > Oil discoveries worldwide peaked in the 1960s, so Hubbert’s own > > forecast was that peak oil production worldwide would arrive in the > > 1990s. The discovery of two giant new oilfields in the 1970s (probably > > the last two) in the North Sea and the Alaskan North Slope pushed that > > date down a bit, however, and one of Hubbert’s successors as chief of > > research at Shell, Colin J. Campbell, subsequently calculated that > > peak production globally would not arrive until 2007. Now, in other > > words.> >> > It is still deeply unpopular in the oil industry to talk about peak > > oil, but essentially what de Margerie was saying, albeit in a cautious > > and coded way, is that it is here or nearly here. The same sort of > > talk is coming from Rex Tillerson, chairman of ExxonMobil, who told > > the Financial Times earlier this year that he believed oil production > > from sources outside the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries > > could see “a little more growth” but would soon level off. And OPEC is > > generally assumed to be pumping very close to maximum capacity.> >> > The International Energy Agency predicts that demand for oil will rise > > by 2 percent annually up to 2012.> >> > The recent surge in the oil price, which may see it reach $100 a > > barrel in the near future, is largely a mirage caused by the collapse > > in the value of the US dollar. (The price of oil is generally quoted > > in US dollars, but cost of a barrel of oil in euros or yen has risen > > far less dramatically this year.) But the longer-term trend, which saw > > the price rise fivefold between 1999 and 2005, was driven by the > > tightening supply situation as demand raced ahead while production did > > not.> >> > It will get a lot worse if de Margerie is right, and he almost > > certainly is.> >> >> > ******> > Kraig and Shirley Carroll ... in the woods of SE Kentucky> > http://www.thehavens.com/> > thehavens (AT) highland (DOT) net> > 606-376-3363> >> > > > ---> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> > Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release 2/14/05> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1113 - Release 11/6/2007 10:04 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Hey, I live here in Wyoming and those oil pumping machines are sitting still--not to many are pumping. I hear where you are all coming from. Lynda in Wyoming timbercreek - Brenda Joyce Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:49 PM Re: Re: [graffis-l] PEAK OIL, ANOTHER LOOK! You said a mouthfull there Kenn...bloody crooks....--- kenn johnsen <kennj (AT) webspeed (DOT) dk> wrote:> Now, we have this rubbish peak oil again. It is a hoax sprede by those > there have an interest in it....and offer their solution to it. Which > of course is more government....more taxes.....less liberty. A bunch of > scammers. There is something going on in America, some powerful people > have pluged some oil field, and proclaim we are running out off oil. > Some bloody crooks.> > > tirsdag 6. nov 2007 kl. 16:57 skrev The Havens:> > >> >> Arab News: Telling the Whole Truth About Oil> >> >> > Posted by: "Mark Graffis" mgraffis mgraffis> >> >> > Tue Nov 6, 2007 3:48 am (PST)> >> > http://www.arabnews.com/ > > ?page=7 & section=0 & article=103243 & d=6 & m=11 & y=2007> > Telling the Whole Truth About Oil> > Gwynne Dyer, Arab News> > If a diplomat is “an honest man sent abroad to lie for the good of his > > country” (Sir Henry Wotton, 1612), then oil industry executives used > > to be the business world’s equivalent of diplomats. The big > > international companies were chronically optimistic about the extent > > of their reserves, and state-controlled oil companies were even more > > prone to exaggeration. But now we have the spectacle of oil companies > > telling the truth about oil supplies or at least more of the truth > > than usual. The occasion was last week’s Oil and Money conference in > > London, and the most spectacular truth-teller was Christophe de > > Margerie, CEO of the French oil company Total, one of the > > international “big five.” Last year his predecessor, Thierry > > Desmarest, caused a flutter in the industry by predicting that world > > oil output would peak around 2020. This year, de Margerie said that > > “100 million barrels (per day)...is now in my view an optimistic > case.”> > He was referring to the International Energy Agency’s estimate that > > world oil output would reach 116 million barrels/day by 2030, and the > > slightly more optimistic US government prediction that it will reach > > 118 million b/d by that date. Even these acts of faith are really a > > forecast of crisis, since calculations based on current trends (like a > > 15 percent annual growth in Chinese demand) suggest that 140 million > > b/d will be needed by 2030.> > The implication of De Margerie’s remarks is that the crisis is coming > > a lot sooner than that. World oil output is nearing 90 million b/d > > now, but it is never going to reach 100 million b/d. “Peak oil” may be > > just a few years away, or it may be right now. (You will never know > > until after the fact, since it is the point at which global oil > > production goes into gradual but irreversible decline.)> > Peak oil was first forecast by an American petroleum geologist, M. > > King Hubbert, who noticed that the curves for oil discoveries and oil > > production were a very close match, but with a lag of thirty to forty > > years between the discovery curve and the production curve. At that > > point, in 1956, Hubbert was the director of research for Shell Oil, > > and the focus of his research was American oil production, then still > > the biggest in the world.> > At that time, American oil output was still rising rapidly, but > > Hubbert noticed that the shape of the output curve closely fitted the > > curve plotting the growth of American oil reserves during the years of > > the great discoveries in Texas, Oklahoma and California. However, > > there had been no other huge discoveries since, so the annual amount > > added to American oil reserves had peaked and begun to decline in the > > late 1930s. Hubbert simply assumed that the production curve would > > continue to match the discovery curve with a three or four-decade > > lag, in which case, he predicted, US oil production would peak and > > start to decline in 1970. That is exactly what it did, and American > > oil production is now down to about half of output in that peak year. > > So “Hubbert’s Curve” became famous in the industry, and was duly > > applied to global discovery and production rates as well.> >> > Oil discoveries worldwide peaked in the 1960s, so Hubbert’s own > > forecast was that peak oil production worldwide would arrive in the > > 1990s. The discovery of two giant new oilfields in the 1970s (probably > > the last two) in the North Sea and the Alaskan North Slope pushed that > > date down a bit, however, and one of Hubbert’s successors as chief of > > research at Shell, Colin J. Campbell, subsequently calculated that > > peak production globally would not arrive until 2007. Now, in other > > words.> > It is still deeply unpopular in the oil industry to talk about peak > > oil, but essentially what de Margerie was saying, albeit in a cautious > > and coded way, is that it is here or nearly here. The same sort of > > talk is coming from Rex Tillerson, chairman of ExxonMobil, who told > > the Financial Times earlier this year that he believed oil production > > from sources outside the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries > > could see “a little more growth” but would soon level off. And OPEC is > > generally assumed to be pumping very close to maximum capacity.> > The International Energy Agency predicts that demand for oil will rise > > by 2 percent annually up to 2012.> > The recent surge in the oil price, which may see it reach $100 a > > barrel in the near future, is largely a mirage caused by the collapse > > in the value of the US dollar. (The price of oil is generally quoted > > in US dollars, but cost of a barrel of oil in euros or yen has risen > > far less dramatically this year.) But the longer-term trend, which saw > > the price rise fivefold between 1999 and 2005, was driven by the > > tightening supply situation as demand raced ahead while production did > > not.> > It will get a lot worse if de Margerie is right, and he almost > > certainly is.> >> > sAt 08:37 AM 11/6/07, you wrote:> >> > Arab News: Telling the Whole Truth About Oil> > Posted by: "Mark Graffis" mgraffis mgraffis> > Tue Nov 6, 2007 3:48 am (PST)> > http://www.arabnews.com/ > > ?page=7 & section=0 & article=103243 & d=6 & m=11 & y=2007> >> > Telling the Whole Truth About Oil> > Gwynne Dyer, Arab News> >> > If a diplomat is “an honest man sent abroad to lie for the good of his > > country” (Sir Henry Wotton, 1612), then oil industry executives used > > to be the business world’s equivalent of diplomats. The big > > international companies were chronically optimistic about the extent > > of their reserves, and state-controlled oil companies were even more > > prone to exaggeration. But now we have the spectacle of oil companies > > telling the truth about oil supplies — or at least more of the truth > > than usual. The occasion was last week’s Oil and Money conference in > > London, and the most spectacular truth-teller was Christophe de > > Margerie, CEO of the French oil company Total, one of the > > international “big five.” Last year his predecessor, Thierry > > Desmarest, caused a flutter in the industry by predicting that world > > oil output would peak around 2020. This year, de Margerie said that > > “100 million barrels (per day)...is now in my view an optimistic > case.”> >> > He was referring to the International Energy Agency’s estimate that > > world oil output would reach 116 million barrels/day by 2030, and the > > slightly more optimistic US government prediction that it will reach > > 118 million b/d by that date. Even these acts of faith are really a > > forecast of crisis, since calculations based on current trends (like a > > 15 percent annual growth in Chinese demand) suggest that 140 million > > b/d will be needed by 2030.> >> > The implication of De Margerie’s remarks is that the crisis is coming > > a lot sooner than that. World oil output is nearing 90 million b/d > > now, but it is never going to reach 100 million b/d. “Peak oil” may be > > just a few years away, or it may be right now. (You will never know > > until after the fact, since it is the point at which global oil > > production goes into gradual but irreversible decline.)> >> > Peak oil was first forecast by an American petroleum geologist, M. > > King Hubbert, who noticed that the curves for oil discoveries and oil > > production were a very close match, but with a lag of thirty to forty > > years between the discovery curve and the production curve. At that > > point, in 1956, Hubbert was the director of research for Shell Oil, > > and the focus of his research was American oil production, then still > > the biggest in the world.> >> > At that time, American oil output was still rising rapidly, but > > Hubbert noticed that the shape of the output curve closely fitted the > > curve plotting the growth of American oil reserves during the years of > > the great discoveries in Texas, Oklahoma and California. However, > > there had been no other huge discoveries since, so the annual amount > > added to American oil reserves had peaked and begun to decline in the > > late 1930s. Hubbert simply assumed that the production curve would > > continue to match the discovery curve with a three— or four-decade > > lag, in which case, he predicted, US oil production would peak and > > start to decline in 1970. That is exactly what it did, and American > > oil production is now down to about half of output in that peak year. > > So “Hubbert’s Curve” became famous in the industry, and was duly > > applied to global discovery and production rates as well.> >> > Oil discoveries worldwide peaked in the 1960s, so Hubbert’s own > > forecast was that peak oil production worldwide would arrive in the > > 1990s. The discovery of two giant new oilfields in the 1970s (probably > > the last two) in the North Sea and the Alaskan North Slope pushed that > > date down a bit, however, and one of Hubbert’s successors as chief of > > research at Shell, Colin J. Campbell, subsequently calculated that > > peak production globally would not arrive until 2007. Now, in other > > words.> >> > It is still deeply unpopular in the oil industry to talk about peak > > oil, but essentially what de Margerie was saying, albeit in a cautious > > and coded way, is that it is here or nearly here. The same sort of > > talk is coming from Rex Tillerson, chairman of ExxonMobil, who told > > the Financial Times earlier this year that he believed oil production > > from sources outside the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries > > could see “a little more growth” but would soon level off. And OPEC is > > generally assumed to be pumping very close to maximum capacity.> >> > The International Energy Agency predicts that demand for oil will rise > > by 2 percent annually up to 2012.> >> > The recent surge in the oil price, which may see it reach $100 a > > barrel in the near future, is largely a mirage caused by the collapse > > in the value of the US dollar. (The price of oil is generally quoted > > in US dollars, but cost of a barrel of oil in euros or yen has risen > > far less dramatically this year.) But the longer-term trend, which saw > > the price rise fivefold between 1999 and 2005, was driven by the > > tightening supply situation as demand raced ahead while production did > > not.> >> > It will get a lot worse if de Margerie is right, and he almost > > certainly is.> >> >> > ******> > Kraig and Shirley Carroll ... in the woods of SE Kentucky> > http://www.thehavens.com/> > thehavens (AT) highland (DOT) net> > 606-376-3363> >> > > > ---> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> > Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release 2/14/05> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1113 - Release 11/6/2007 10:04 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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