A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer

[Guest guest]

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..

 

 

A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

 

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.

 

'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'

 

The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has insisted national defence is a priority.

 

The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping recent review aimed at transforming the American military under Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

 

Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network.

 

An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is 'plausible and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately', they conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions.

 

Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large body of respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked science to suit its policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like. Jeremy Symons, a former whistleblower at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), said that suppression of the report for four months was a further example of the White House trying to bury the threat of climate change.

Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real and happening phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate of climatic change.

 

A group of eminent UK scientists recently visited the White House to voice their fears over global warming, part of an intensifying drive to get the US to treat the issue seriously. Sources have told The Observer that American officials appeared extremely sensitive about the issue when faced with complaints that America's public stance appeared increasingly out of touch.

 

One even alleged that the White House had written to complain about some of the comments attributed to Professor Sir David King, Tony Blair's chief scientific adviser, after he branded the President's position on the issue as indefensible.

 

Among those scientists present at the White House talks were Professor John Schellnhuber, former chief environmental adviser to the German government and head of the UK's leading group of climate scientists at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research. He said that the Pentagon's internal fears should prove the 'tipping point' in persuading Bush to accept climatic change.

 

Sir John Houghton, former chief executive of the Meteorological Office - and the first senior figure to liken the threat of climate change to that of terrorism - said: 'If the Pentagon is sending out that sort of message, then this is an important document indeed.'

Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon's dire warnings could no longer be ignored.

 

'Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to blow off this sort of document. Its hugely embarrassing. After all, Bush's single highest priority is national defence. The Pentagon is no wacko, liberal group, generally speaking it is conservative. If climate change is a threat to national security and the economy, then he has to act. There are two groups the Bush Administration tend to listen to, the oil lobby and the Pentagon,' added Watson.

'You've got a President who says global warming is a hoax, and across the Potomac river you've got a Pentagon preparing for climate wars. It's pretty scary when Bush starts to ignore his own government on this issue,' said Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace.

 

Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic' shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine, disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be repeated.

 

Randall told The Observer that the potential ramifications of rapid climate change would create global chaos. 'This is depressing stuff,' he said. 'It is a national security threat that is unique because there is no enemy to point your guns at and we have no control over the threat.'

 

Randall added that it was already possibly too late to prevent a disaster happening. 'We don't know exactly where we are in the process. It could start tomorrow and we would not know for another five years,' he said.

 

'The consequences for some nations of the climate change are unbelievable. It seems obvious that cutting the use of fossil fuels would be worthwhile.'

 

So dramatic are the report's scenarios, Watson said, that they may prove vital in the US elections. Democratic frontrunner John Kerry is known to accept climate change as a real problem. Scientists disillusioned with Bush's stance are threatening to make sure Kerry uses the Pentagon report in his campaign.

 

The fact that Marshall is behind its scathing findings will aid Kerry's cause. Marshall, 82, is a Pentagon legend who heads a secretive think-tank dedicated to weighing risks to national security called the Office of Net Assessment. Dubbed 'Yoda' by Pentagon insiders who respect his vast experience, he is credited with being behind the Department of Defence's push on ballistic-missile defence.

 

Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political interference, said that the suppression of the report was a further instance of the White House trying to bury evidence of climate change. 'It is yet another example of why this government should stop burying its head in the sand on this issue.'

 

Symons said the Bush administration's close links to high-powered energy and oil companies was vital in understanding why climate change was received sceptically in the Oval Office. 'This administration is ignoring the evidence in order to placate a handful of large energy and oil companies,' he added.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver/print

[Guest guest]

What are you going to do about it, the climate is not under human

control, so what can you do about it.....thank god it is a temperature

increase, and not a decrease. If it were a decrease....then we would be

in trouble, just think about the little ice age, how hard life were

then. If we got the little ice age today, Europe - US would collapse.

But an increase in temperature means we will prosper, just like they

did in the viking time, it were warmer than to day, it were a

prosperous time. They grew wine up in England, the wine line were 350

miles further up than to day.

 

 

onsdag 24. okt 2007 kl. 21:50 skrev Raven:

 

> Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global

> catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..

>  

> A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The

> Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising

> seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear

> conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt

> across the world.

>  

> The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the

> planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to

> defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The

> threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the

> few experts privy to its contents.

>  

> 'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes

> the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'

>  

> The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which

> has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said

> that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has

> insisted national defence is a priority.

>  

> The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser

> Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military

> thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping

> recent review aimed at transforming the American military under

> Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

>  

> Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US

> national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA

> consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and

> Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network.

>  

> An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is 'plausible and

> would challenge United States national security in ways that should be

> considered immediately', they conclude. As early as next year

> widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval

> for millions.

>  

> Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large

> body of respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked science

> to suit its policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like.

> Jeremy Symons, a former whistleblower at the Environmental Protection

> Agency (EPA), said that suppression of the report for four months was

> a further example of the White House trying to bury the threat of

> climate change.

> Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could

> prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real

> and happening phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United

> States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate of climatic

> change.

>  

> A group of eminent UK scientists recently visited the White House to

> voice their fears over global warming, part of an intensifying drive

> to get the US to treat the issue seriously. Sources have told The

> Observer that American officials appeared extremely sensitive about

> the issue when faced with complaints that America's public stance

> appeared increasingly out of touch.

>  

> One even alleged that the White House had written to complain about

> some of the comments attributed to Professor Sir David King, > Blair's chief scientific adviser, after he branded the President's

> position on the issue as indefensible.

>  

> Among those scientists present at the White House talks were Professor

> John Schellnhuber, former chief environmental adviser to the German

> government and head of the UK's leading group of climate scientists at

> the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research. He said that the

> Pentagon's internal fears should prove the 'tipping point' in

> persuading Bush to accept climatic change.

>  

> Sir John Houghton, former chief executive of the Meteorological Office

> - and the first senior figure to liken the threat of climate change to

> that of terrorism - said: 'If the Pentagon is sending out that sort of

> message, then this is an important document indeed.'

> Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the

> Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon's

> dire warnings could no longer be ignored.

>  

> 'Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to blow off this

> sort of document. Its hugely embarrassing. After all, Bush's single

> highest priority is national defence. The Pentagon is no wacko,

> liberal group, generally speaking it is conservative. If climate

> change is a threat to national security and the economy, then he has

> to act. There are two groups the Bush Administration tend to listen

> to, the oil lobby and the Pentagon,' added Watson.

> 'You've got a President who says global warming is a hoax, and across

> the Potomac river you've got a Pentagon preparing for climate wars.

> It's pretty scary when Bush starts to ignore his own government on

> this issue,' said Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace.

>  

> Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a

> higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic'

> shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder

> to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years

> ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine,

> disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be repeated.

>  

> Randall told The Observer that the potential ramifications of rapid

> climate change would create global chaos. 'This is depressing stuff,'

> he said. 'It is a national security threat that is unique because

> there is no enemy to point your guns at and we have no control over

> the threat.'

>  

> Randall added that it was already possibly too late to prevent a

> disaster happening. 'We don't know exactly where we are in the

> process. It could start tomorrow and we would not know for another

> five years,' he said.

>  

> 'The consequences for some nations of the climate change are

> unbelievable. It seems obvious that cutting the use of fossil fuels

> would be worthwhile.'

>  

> So dramatic are the report's scenarios, Watson said, that they may

> prove vital in the US elections. Democratic frontrunner John Kerry is

> known to accept climate change as a real problem. Scientists

> disillusioned with Bush's stance are threatening to make sure Kerry

> uses the Pentagon report in his campaign.

>  

> The fact that Marshall is behind its scathing findings will aid

> Kerry's cause. Marshall, 82, is a Pentagon legend who heads a

> secretive think-tank dedicated to weighing risks to national security

> called the Office of Net Assessment. Dubbed 'Yoda' by Pentagon

> insiders who respect his vast experience, he is credited with being

> behind the Department of Defence's push on ballistic-missile defence.

>  

> Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political interference, said

> that the suppression of the report was a further instance of the White

> House trying to bury evidence of climate change. 'It is yet another

> example of why this government should stop burying its head in the

> sand on this issue.'

>  

> Symons said the Bush administration's close links to high-powered

> energy and oil companies was vital in understanding why climate change

> was received sceptically in the Oval Office. 'This administration is

> ignoring the evidence in order to placate a handful of large energy

> and oil companies,' he added.

>  

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver/

> print

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes but it’s not just

a temperature rise, it’s the extra solar radiation…

Alice J

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of kenn johnsen

Monday, 5 November 2007 2:52

am

To:

 

Re:

A secret report, suppressed by US

defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer

 

 

What are you going to do

about it, the climate is not under human control, so what can you do about

it.....thank god it is a temperature increase, and not a decrease. If it were a

decrease....then we would be in trouble, just think about the little ice age,

how hard life were then. If we got the little ice age today, Europe

- US would collapse. But an increase in temperature means we will prosper, just

like they did in the viking time, it were warmer than to day, it were a

prosperous time. They grew wine up in England, the wine line were 350

miles further up than to day.

 

 

onsdag 24. okt 2007 kl. 21:50 skrev Raven:

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global

catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..

 

A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer,

warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is

plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts,

famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

 

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the

edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure

dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability

vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.

 

'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the

Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'

 

The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which has

repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said that they will

also make unsettling reading for a President who has insisted national defence

is a priority.

 

The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew

Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military thinking over the past

three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping recent review aimed at

transforming the American military under Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

 

Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national

security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former

head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the

California-based Global Business Network.

 

An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is 'plausible and would

challenge United States

national security in ways that should be considered immediately', they

conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels

will create major upheaval for millions.

 

Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large body of

respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked science to suit its

policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like. Jeremy Symons, a

former whistleblower at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), said that

suppression of the report for four months was a further example of the White

House trying to bury the threat of climate change.

Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could prove the

catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real and happening

phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United States to sign up to global

treaties to reduce the rate of climatic change.

 

A group of eminent UK

scientists recently visited the White House to voice their fears over global

warming, part of an intensifying drive to get the US to treat the issue seriously.

Sources have told The Observer that American officials appeared extremely

sensitive about the issue when faced with complaints that America's

public stance appeared increasingly out of touch.

 

One even alleged that the White House had written to complain about some of the

comments attributed to Professor Sir David King, Tony Blair's chief scientific

adviser, after he branded the President's position on the issue as

indefensible.

 

Among those scientists present at the White House talks were Professor John

Schellnhuber, former chief environmental adviser to the German government and

head of the UK's

leading group of climate scientists at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change

Research. He said that the Pentagon's internal fears should prove the 'tipping

point' in persuading Bush to accept climatic change.

 

Sir John Houghton, former chief executive of the Meteorological Office - and

the first senior figure to liken the threat of climate change to that of

terrorism - said: 'If the Pentagon is sending out that sort of message, then

this is an important document indeed.'

Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon's dire

warnings could no longer be ignored.

 

'Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to blow off this sort of

document. Its hugely embarrassing. After all, Bush's single highest priority is

national defence. The Pentagon is no wacko, liberal group, generally speaking

it is conservative. If climate change is a threat to national security and the

economy, then he has to act. There are two groups the Bush Administration tend

to listen to, the oil lobby and the Pentagon,' added Watson.

'You've got a President who says global warming is a hoax, and across the Potomac river you've got a Pentagon preparing for climate

wars. It's pretty scary when Bush starts to ignore his own government on this

issue,' said Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace.

 

Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a higher

population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic' shortages of water and

energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet

into war. They warn that 8,200 years ago climatic conditions brought widespread

crop failure, famine, disease and mass migration of populations that could soon

be repeated.

 

Randall told The Observer that the potential ramifications of rapid climate

change would create global chaos. 'This is depressing stuff,' he said. 'It is a

national security threat that is unique because there is no enemy to point your

guns at and we have no control over the threat.'

 

Randall added that it was already possibly too late to prevent a disaster

happening. 'We don't know exactly where we are in the process. It could start

tomorrow and we would not know for another five years,' he said.

 

'The consequences for some nations of the climate change are unbelievable. It

seems obvious that cutting the use of fossil fuels would be worthwhile.'

 

So dramatic are the report's scenarios, Watson said, that they may prove vital

in the US

elections. Democratic frontrunner John Kerry is known to accept climate change

as a real problem. Scientists disillusioned with Bush's stance are threatening

to make sure Kerry uses the Pentagon report in his campaign.

 

The fact that Marshall

is behind its scathing findings will aid Kerry's cause. Marshall, 82, is a Pentagon legend who heads

a secretive think-tank dedicated to weighing risks to national security called

the Office of Net Assessment. Dubbed 'Yoda' by Pentagon insiders who respect

his vast experience, he is credited with being behind the Department of

Defence's push on ballistic-missile defence.

 

Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political interference, said that the

suppression of the report was a further instance of the White House trying to

bury evidence of climate change. 'It is yet another example of why this

government should stop burying its head in the sand on this issue.'

 

Symons said the Bush administration's close links to high-powered energy and

oil companies was vital in understanding why climate change was received

sceptically in the Oval Office. 'This administration is ignoring the evidence

in order to placate a handful of large energy and oil companies,' he added.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver/print

[Guest guest]

Dude, you just don't get it, do you?

 

-

kenn johnsen

Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:22 AM

Re: A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer

What are you going to do about it, the climate is not under human control, so what can you do about it.....thank god it is a temperature increase, and not a decrease. If it were a decrease....then we would be in trouble, just think about the little ice age, how hard life were then. If we got the little ice age today, Europe - US would collapse. But an increase in temperature means we will prosper, just like they did in the viking time, it were warmer than to day, it were a prosperous time. They grew wine up in England, the wine line were 350 miles further up than to day.onsdag 24. okt 2007 kl. 21:50 skrev Raven:

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters.. A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world. The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents. 'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.' The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has insisted national defence is a priority. The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping recent review aimed at transforming the American military under Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network. An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is 'plausible and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately', they conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions. Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large body of respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked science to suit its policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like. Jeremy Symons, a former whistleblower at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), said that suppression of the report for four months was a further example of the White House trying to bury the threat of climate change.Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real and happening phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate of climatic change. A group of eminent UK scientists recently visited the White House to voice their fears over global warming, part of an intensifying drive to get the US to treat the issue seriously. Sources have told The Observer that American officials appeared extremely sensitive about the issue when faced with complaints that America's public stance appeared increasingly out of touch. One even alleged that the White House had written to complain about some of the comments attributed to Professor Sir David King, Tony Blair's chief scientific adviser, after he branded the President's position on the issue as indefensible. Among those scientists present at the White House talks were Professor John Schellnhuber, former chief environmental adviser to the German government and head of the UK's leading group of climate scientists at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research. He said that the Pentagon's internal fears should prove the 'tipping point' in persuading Bush to accept climatic change. Sir John Houghton, former chief executive of the Meteorological Office - and the first senior figure to liken the threat of climate change to that of terrorism - said: 'If the Pentagon is sending out that sort of message, then this is an important document indeed.'Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon's dire warnings could no longer be ignored. 'Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to blow off this sort of document. Its hugely embarrassing. After all, Bush's single highest priority is national defence. The Pentagon is no wacko, liberal group, generally speaking it is conservative. If climate change is a threat to national security and the economy, then he has to act. There are two groups the Bush Administration tend to listen to, the oil lobby and the Pentagon,' added Watson.'You've got a President who says global warming is a hoax, and across the Potomac river you've got a Pentagon preparing for climate wars. It's pretty scary when Bush starts to ignore his own government on this issue,' said Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace. Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic' shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine, disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be repeated. Randall told The Observer that the potential ramifications of rapid climate change would create global chaos. 'This is depressing stuff,' he said. 'It is a national security threat that is unique because there is no enemy to point your guns at and we have no control over the threat.' Randall added that it was already possibly too late to prevent a disaster happening. 'We don't know exactly where we are in the process. It could start tomorrow and we would not know for another five years,' he said. 'The consequences for some nations of the climate change are unbelievable. It seems obvious that cutting the use of fossil fuels would be worthwhile.' So dramatic are the report's scenarios, Watson said, that they may prove vital in the US elections. Democratic frontrunner John Kerry is known to accept climate change as a real problem. Scientists disillusioned with Bush's stance are threatening to make sure Kerry uses the Pentagon report in his campaign. The fact that Marshall is behind its scathing findings will aid Kerry's cause. Marshall, 82, is a Pentagon legend who heads a secretive think-tank dedicated to weighing risks to national security called the Office of Net Assessment. Dubbed 'Yoda' by Pentagon insiders who respect his vast experience, he is credited with being behind the Department of Defence's push on ballistic-missile defence. Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political interference, said that the suppression of the report was a further instance of the White House trying to bury evidence of climate change. 'It is yet another example of why this government should stop burying its head in the sand on this issue.' Symons said the Bush administration's close links to high-powered energy and oil companies was vital in understanding why climate change was received sceptically in the Oval Office. 'This administration is ignoring the evidence in order to placate a handful of large energy and oil companies,' he added. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver/print

[Guest guest]

Well, maybe it is you dude... there do not get it. Or you get it wrong

dude...

 

 

mandag 5. nov 2007 kl. 01:26 skrev Jim:

 

> Dude, you just don't get it, do you? 

>

> -

> kenn johnsen

>

> Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:22 AM

> Re: A secret report, suppressed by US

> defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer

>

> What are you going to do about it, the climate is not under human

> control, so what can you do about it.....thank god it is a temperature

> increase, and not a decrease. If it were a decrease....then we would

> be in trouble, just think about the little ice age, how hard life were

> then. If we got the little ice age today, Europe - US would collapse.

> But an increase in temperature means we will prosper, just like they

> did in the viking time, it were warmer than to day, it were a

> prosperous time. They grew wine up in England, the wine line were 350

> miles further up than to day.

>

>

> onsdag 24. okt 2007 kl. 21:50 skrev Raven:

>

> Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global

> catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..

>  

> A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The

> Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising

> seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear

> conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt

> across the world.

>  

> The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the

> planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to

> defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The

> threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the

> few experts privy to its contents.

>  

> 'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes

> the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'

>  

> The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which

> has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said

> that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has

> insisted national defence is a priority.

>  

> The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser

> Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military

> thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping

> recent review aimed at transforming the American military under

> Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

>  

> Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US

> national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA

> consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and

> Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network.

>  

> An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is 'plausible and

> would challenge United States national security in ways that should be

> considered immediately', they conclude. As early as next year

> widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval

> for millions.

>  

> Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large

> body of respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked science

> to suit its policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like.

> Jeremy Symons, a former whistleblower at the Environmental Protection

> Agency (EPA), said that suppression of the report for four months was

> a further example of the White House trying to bury the threat of

> climate change.

> Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could

> prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real

> and happening phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United

> States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate of climatic

> change.

>  

> A group of eminent UK scientists recently visited the White House to

> voice their fears over global warming, part of an intensifying drive

> to get the US to treat the issue seriously. Sources have told The

> Observer that American officials appeared extremely sensitive about

> the issue when faced with complaints that America's public stance

> appeared increasingly out of touch.

>  

> One even alleged that the White House had written to complain about

> some of the comments attributed to Professor Sir David King, > Blair's chief scientific adviser, after he branded the President's

> position on the issue as indefensible.

>  

> Among those scientists present at the White House talks were Professor

> John Schellnhuber, former chief environmental adviser to the German

> government and head of the UK's leading group of climate scientists at

> the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research. He said that the

> Pentagon's internal fears should prove the 'tipping point' in

> persuading Bush to accept climatic change.

>  

> Sir John Houghton, former chief executive of the Meteorological Office

> - and the first senior figure to liken the threat of climate change to

> that of terrorism - said: 'If the Pentagon is sending out that sort of

> message, then this is an important document indeed.'

> Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the

> Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon's

> dire warnings could no longer be ignored.

>  

> 'Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to blow off this

> sort of document. Its hugely embarrassing. After all, Bush's single

> highest priority is national defence. The Pentagon is no wacko,

> liberal group, generally speaking it is conservative. If climate

> change is a threat to national security and the economy, then he has

> to act. There are two groups the Bush Administration tend to listen

> to, the oil lobby and the Pentagon,' added Watson.

> 'You've got a President who says global warming is a hoax, and across

> the Potomac river you've got a Pentagon preparing for climate wars.

> It's pretty scary when Bush starts to ignore his own government on

> this issue,' said Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace.

>  

> Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a

> higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic'

> shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder

> to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years

> ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine,

> disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be repeated.

>  

> Randall told The Observer that the potential ramifications of rapid

> climate change would create global chaos. 'This is depressing stuff,'

> he said. 'It is a national security threat that is unique because

> there is no enemy to point your guns at and we have no control over

> the threat.'

>  

> Randall added that it was already possibly too late to prevent a

> disaster happening. 'We don't know exactly where we are in the

> process. It could start tomorrow and we would not know for another

> five years,' he said.

>  

> 'The consequences for some nations of the climate change are

> unbelievable. It seems obvious that cutting the use of fossil fuels

> would be worthwhile.'

>  

> So dramatic are the report's scenarios, Watson said, that they may

> prove vital in the US elections. Democratic frontrunner John Kerry is

> known to accept climate change as a real problem. Scientists

> disillusioned with Bush's stance are threatening to make sure Kerry

> uses the Pentagon report in his campaign.

>  

> The fact that Marshall is behind its scathing findings will aid

> Kerry's cause. Marshall, 82, is a Pentagon legend who heads a

> secretive think-tank dedicated to weighing risks to national security

> called the Office of Net Assessment. Dubbed 'Yoda' by Pentagon

> insiders who respect his vast experience, he is credited with being

> behind the Department of Defence's push on ballistic-missile defence.

>  

> Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political interference, said

> that the suppression of the report was a further instance of the White

> House trying to bury evidence of climate change. 'It is yet another

> example of why this government should stop burying its head in the

> sand on this issue.'

>  

> Symons said the Bush administration's close links to high-powered

> energy and oil companies was vital in understanding why climate change

> was received sceptically in the Oval Office. 'This administration is

> ignoring the evidence in order to placate a handful of large energy

> and oil companies,' he added.

>  

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver/

> print

>

>

[Guest guest]

One benefit of warmer climate is a less stormy weather. Much better

autumn weather. Much fewer storms, or none at all. And not near the

violence we had just 30 years ago. In all, a much better life, just

like life was in the viking time.

 

 

mandag 5. nov 2007 kl. 01:52 skrev kenn johnsen:

 

> Well, maybe it is you dude... there do not get it. Or you get it wrong

> dude...

>

>

> mandag 5. nov 2007 kl. 01:26 skrev Jim:

>

>> Dude, you just don't get it, do you? 

>>

>> -

>> kenn johnsen

>>

>> Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:22 AM

>> Re: A secret report, suppressed by US

>> defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer

>>

>> What are you going to do about it, the climate is not under human

>> control, so what can you do about it.....thank god it is a

>> temperature increase, and not a decrease. If it were a

>> decrease....then we would be in trouble, just think about the little

>> ice age, how hard life were then. If we got the little ice age today,

>> Europe - US would collapse. But an increase in temperature means we

>> will prosper, just like they did in the viking time, it were warmer

>> than to day, it were a prosperous time. They grew wine up in England,

>> the wine line were 350 miles further up than to day.

>>

>>

>> onsdag 24. okt 2007 kl. 21:50 skrev Raven:

>>

>> Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global

>> catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..

>>  

>> A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The

>> Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath

>> rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020.

>> Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will

>> erupt across the world.

>>  

>> The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the

>> planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat

>> to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The

>> threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the

>> few experts privy to its contents.

>>  

>> 'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes

>> the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'

>>  

>> The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which

>> has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said

>> that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has

>> insisted national defence is a priority.

>>  

>> The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser

>> Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military

>> thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a

>> sweeping recent review aimed at transforming the American military

>> under Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

>>  

>> Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US

>> national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA

>> consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group,

>> and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network.

>>  

>> An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is 'plausible and

>> would challenge United States national security in ways that should

>> be considered immediately', they conclude. As early as next year

>> widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major

>> upheaval for millions.

>>  

>> Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large

>> body of respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked

>> science to suit its policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did

>> not like. Jeremy Symons, a former whistleblower at the Environmental

>> Protection Agency (EPA), said that suppression of the report for four

>> months was a further example of the White House trying to bury the

>> threat of climate change.

>> Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could

>> prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real

>> and happening phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United

>> States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate of climatic

>> change.

>>  

>> A group of eminent UK scientists recently visited the White House to

>> voice their fears over global warming, part of an intensifying drive

>> to get the US to treat the issue seriously. Sources have told The

>> Observer that American officials appeared extremely sensitive about

>> the issue when faced with complaints that America's public stance

>> appeared increasingly out of touch.

>>  

>> One even alleged that the White House had written to complain about

>> some of the comments attributed to Professor Sir David King, >> Blair's chief scientific adviser, after he branded the President's

>> position on the issue as indefensible.

>>  

>> Among those scientists present at the White House talks were

>> Professor John Schellnhuber, former chief environmental adviser to

>> the German government and head of the UK's leading group of climate

>> scientists at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research. He said

>> that the Pentagon's internal fears should prove the 'tipping point'

>> in persuading Bush to accept climatic change.

>>  

>> Sir John Houghton, former chief executive of the Meteorological

>> Office - and the first senior figure to liken the threat of climate

>> change to that of terrorism - said: 'If the Pentagon is sending out

>> that sort of message, then this is an important document indeed.'

>> Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of

>> the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the

>> Pentagon's dire warnings could no longer be ignored.

>>  

>> 'Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to blow off this

>> sort of document. Its hugely embarrassing. After all, Bush's single

>> highest priority is national defence. The Pentagon is no wacko,

>> liberal group, generally speaking it is conservative. If climate

>> change is a threat to national security and the economy, then he has

>> to act. There are two groups the Bush Administration tend to listen

>> to, the oil lobby and the Pentagon,' added Watson.

>> 'You've got a President who says global warming is a hoax, and across

>> the Potomac river you've got a Pentagon preparing for climate wars.

>> It's pretty scary when Bush starts to ignore his own government on

>> this issue,' said Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace.

>>  

>> Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a

>> higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic'

>> shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder

>> to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years

>> ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine,

>> disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be >> repeated.

>>  

>> Randall told The Observer that the potential ramifications of rapid

>> climate change would create global chaos. 'This is depressing stuff,'

>> he said. 'It is a national security threat that is unique because

>> there is no enemy to point your guns at and we have no control over

>> the threat.'

>>  

>> Randall added that it was already possibly too late to prevent a

>> disaster happening. 'We don't know exactly where we are in the

>> process. It could start tomorrow and we would not know for another

>> five years,' he said.

>>  

>> 'The consequences for some nations of the climate change are

>> unbelievable. It seems obvious that cutting the use of fossil fuels

>> would be worthwhile.'

>>  

>> So dramatic are the report's scenarios, Watson said, that they may

>> prove vital in the US elections. Democratic frontrunner John Kerry is

>> known to accept climate change as a real problem. Scientists

>> disillusioned with Bush's stance are threatening to make sure Kerry

>> uses the Pentagon report in his campaign.

>>  

>> The fact that Marshall is behind its scathing findings will aid

>> Kerry's cause. Marshall, 82, is a Pentagon legend who heads a

>> secretive think-tank dedicated to weighing risks to national security

>> called the Office of Net Assessment. Dubbed 'Yoda' by Pentagon

>> insiders who respect his vast experience, he is credited with being

>> behind the Department of Defence's push on ballistic-missile defence.

>>  

>> Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political interference, said

>> that the suppression of the report was a further instance of the

>> White House trying to bury evidence of climate change. 'It is yet

>> another example of why this government should stop burying its head

>> in the sand on this issue.'

>>  

>> Symons said the Bush administration's close links to high-powered

>> energy and oil companies was vital in understanding why climate

>> change was received sceptically in the Oval Office. 'This

>> administration is ignoring the evidence in order to placate a handful

>> of large energy and oil companies,' he added.

>>  

>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver/

>> print

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

In 2002 we had a Tsunami in Southeast Asia that was a 9 pointer on

the Richter Scale. This magnitude of earthquake changed the

shape of the earth and caused a change in the earths rotation. If you

are scared of what is happening on the earth -- blame mother earth

all you want -- but don't blame the people on the earth because they

did not cause the big one -- 9 pointer -- earthquake. In

2003 the ice started coming off in sheets. And, 8 pointer earthquakes

have been taking place in the Southern Hemisphere since then.

Shame on us for not putting it all together before now. Gore is just making

money -- they have to have somethin' for us to spend our

hard earned money on -- we all have cheap computers now (or

not so cheap) -- and there is no new technology to grasp at -- except TV's

so how do they keep the population interested in buying something,

cause a scare of the environment -- which as a man you have

no control over -- GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL -- and

HE will work this all out HIS way!!

You want to be stupid -- spend your money on not eating --

because we have lost our bees due to man's ingenuity at

getting rid of the killer bees from Africa. So - our honey

bees no longer exist. Are you willing to get out with a

tooth brush and make sure pollen goes from one tomato

blossom to another in order to get ripe tomatoes!!

Good luck.

Suddenly they (these scientists) are talking about like

Revelation in the Bible states it -- 1/3 of the population

will die of starvation!! And etc.

Interesting stuff this!!

thea

 

 

jim008

 

Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:26:45 -0500

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Dude, you just don't get it, do you?

 

-

kenn johnsen

Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:22 AM

Re: A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer

What are you going to do about it, the climate is not under human control, so what can you do about it.....thank god it is a temperature increase, and not a decrease. If it were a decrease....then we would be in trouble, just think about the little ice age, how hard life were then. If we got the little ice age today, Europe - US would collapse. But an increase in temperature means we will prosper, just like they did in the viking time, it were warmer than to day, it were a prosperous time. They grew wine up in England, the wine line were 350 miles further up than to day.onsdag 24. okt 2007 kl. 21:50 skrev Raven:

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters.. A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.