Political and military issues - have no place here

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The hate bush crowd is deceptive or misinformed -

see below -

 

 

While I am opposed to all US military presence

overseas, it could not happen without the full

support of both parties since 1918 and mainly the

Democrats. The current white house could do nothing

against Iran or any other country if the Democrats

would cut off the money. Blame all parties and

mostly to Democrats since they have been in power

longer.

 

 

The USA invovement overseas has been a big problem

for almost 100 years - before Bush and his VP.

 

 

Elect those who have no loyalities to other nations

or special interest groups and who seriously

want to take care of the USA and not be the world's

policeman.

 

 

America First and keep out of other people's/nations

problems no matter that they are bad or with nuclear

weapons as with Isreal and Iran etc.

 

This discussion does not belong here - I come here

seeking info about healing not to read about

politics - I go other places for such.

 

 

 

 

--- The Havens <thehavens wrote:

 

> At 08:31 AM 9/30/07, you wrote:

> >Globalresearch - The Iran War is on the Front

> Burner (new info)

> >Posted by: " Mark Graffis " mgraffis

> mgraffis

> >Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:49 am (PST)

> >The Iran War is on the Front Burner

> Globalresearch.ca

> >Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:52 PM

> >CRG Newsletter - The Iran War is on the

> Front Burner

> >

> >The Iran War is on the Front Burner

> >

> >By Muriel Mirak-Weissbach

> >

> >Global Research, September 28, 2007

> >

> >Note: Readers are welcome to cross-post this

> article with a view to

> >spreading the word and warning people of the

> dangers of a broader Middle

> >East war. Please indicate the source and copyright

> note.

> >

> >The war that Dick Cheney has been planning against

> Iran, has moved from

> >the back burner to the front, and those who do not

> see this are either

> >blind or complicit.

> >

> >Military deployments are in place, as laid out in

> detail in a Sept. 16

> >feature by Michel Chossudovsky in Global Research,

> while the statements of

> >intent to wage war, issued by President Bush and

> Vice President Cheney,

> >have been hyped in British and American news

> outlets.

> >

> >The fact that war is high on the agenda, was

> denounced by the head of the

> >International Atomic Energy Agency, Dr. Mohammad

> ElBaradei, who made a

> >dramatic exit from an ongoing meeting of the IAEA

> board of governors on

> >Sept. 11, in protest against the manifest intent of

> the U.S. and U.K.

> >delegations, as well as the rotating EU presidency

> representative, to

> >proceed with military aggression.

> >

> >ElBaradei, who was so furious that he initially

> refused to talk to the

> >press, clearly stated, in his Sept. 10 report to

> the UN body, that the

> >course chosen by the IAEA, to proceed with

> diplomacy and inspections, was

> >succeeding in providing the necessary

> clarifications of outstanding

> >questions about Iran's nuclear energy program.

> >

> >The IAEA chief's report reflected a recent

> agreement struck between the

> >agency and Iran, regarding a framework for

> resolving all remaining issues,

> >and, step by step, closing the file. ElBaradei

> stressed, " This is the

> >first time that Iran has agreed on a plan to

> address all outstanding

> >issues, with a defined timeline.'' He called for a

> " double time-out,''

> >meaning the suspension of Iranian enrichment

> activity along with a

> >suspension of sanctions against the Islamic

> Republic.

> >

> >Iran's ambassador to the IAEA, Ali Asghar

> Soltanieh, on Sept. 12, welcomed

> >ElBaradei's latest report as a " major step

> forward,'' and criticized

> >certain states (meaning the U.S. and the U.K) for

> " questioning the merits

> >of the Iran-IAEA modality agreement.'' That

> agreement had effectively

> >pulled the rug out from under those warmongers who

> argued that since

> >Iran's program was military, it had to be stopped

> by military means. Since

> >the IAEA meeting, ElBaradei has gone to the press

> almost daily, to

> >reassert his conviction that, there is no reason to

> attack Iran on the

> >nuclear issue; At the same time ElBaradei

> underscored that, despite the

> >Iran-IAEA agreement, the intention for a US

> sponsored attack is being

> >envisaged. On Sept. 17, he told the press:

> >

> > " We need always to remember that use of force could

> only be resorted to

> >when ... every other option has been exhausted. I

> don't think we are at

> >all there.... There is a UN charter and there are

> rules for the

> >international use of force. I hope everybody would

> have gotten the lesson

> >after the Iraq situation when we see a drama

> unfolding every day.''

> >

> >ElBaradei noted that thousands of " innocent

> civilians [in Iraq] have lost

> >their lives on the suspicion that a country had

> nuclear weapons.'' He

> >recalled that he had tried to continue inspections

> in Iraq, but had been

> >prevented by the U.S. war. Now, he said, he was

> conducting negotiations

> >with Iran, which were bearing fruit:

> >

> > " I think what we need now to do is to encourage

> Iran to work with the

> >agency to clarify the outstanding issues'' in the

> over four-year-old IAEA

> >investigation. He gave a clear time frame for

> results to be produced: " by

> >November-December we will be able to know whether

> Iran is acting in good

> >faith or not, and if not, then obviously we will

> have a different

> >situation.... But people need to bear with us.

> People need to understand

> >we are dealing with an issue that has a lot to do

> with peace and security

> >and regional instability in the Middle East, and I

> would ask everybody to

> >hold their horses until we go through the

> process.''

> >

> >ElBaradei also addressed the climate of hysteria

> being created by the

> >warmongers, and the complicit role of the media,

> which deliberately

> >ignores the reality on the ground. " I have made it

> very clear that I don't

> >see today a clear and present danger in regard to

> the Iran nuclear

> >program,'' he said.

> >

> >Then he characterized the talk of war as " a lot of

> hype'' which reminded

> >him of a statement by George Orwell to the effect

> that " in a time of hype,

> >telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.''

> ElBaradei commented: " If

> >that is the case, I will continue, I can promise

> you, to be a

> >revolutionary by giving the truth in an objective

> and impartial manner.''

> >

> >War Mongers of the World Unite

> >

> >Due to the fact that the war party did not succeed

> in Vienna, to corral

> >the IAEA members into endorsing punitive measures

> against Iran, the

> >Bush-Cheney Administration announced that it would

> hold a meeting on Sept.

> >21, to discuss " broadening UN sanctions against

> Iran for its refusal to

> >suspend nuclear activity,'' as State Department

> spokesman Sean McCormack

> >put it. The meeting is to bring together the five

> permanent members of the

> >UN Security Council, plus Germany, the so-called

> 5+1. At the same time,

> >the drumbeat for war became louder. Over the Sept.

> 15-16 weekend, the

> >British press worked overtime to promote the cause

> of war in Southwest

> >Asia. From the {Sunday Observer}, to the

> {Telegraph} and Sunday {Times},

> >the message delivered was unequivocal: " Bush

> Setting Up for War With

> >Iran,'' announced the {Telegraph}, while the

> {Observer} headlined, " Time

> >Is Running Out To Avoid War With Iran.'' The

> {Telegraph} retailed the line

> >that the Pentagon had a list of 2,000 targets in

> Iran, adding that Cheney

> >was committed to deploying nuclear bunker-buster

> bombs against presumed

> >Iranian nuclear sites. The press also referenced

> the provocative Israeli

> >strikes over Syria, as part of the regional war

> process.

> >

> >Then, on Sept. 16, a bombshell was dropped from

> Paris. (Jewish) French

> >Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner (notorious for

> his endorsement of

>

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AND YOU ARE NAIVE AND UNWORLDLY....FIRST IF ELECTIONS CHANGED ANYTHING ,

THEY WOULD BE ILLEGAL [EMMA GOLDMAN I BELIEVE SAID THAT.]....OUR TROOPS [WE

DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SOVEREIGN CITIZENS OF IRAQ] ARE BEING

ASSAULTED WITH DEPLETED URANIUM, SHOT FULL OF ONLY GOD KNOWS WHAT IN THE

VACCINES, FED COMMERCIALLY PRODUCED FOOD WITH THE WORST OF EVERYTHING IN

IT......ASPARTAME IN SOFT DRINKS ANYONE.[ANT POISON FOR THOSE WHO DON'T THE

HISTORY OF ASPARTAME AND BROUGHT TO US BY NONE OTHER THAN DONALD RUMSFELD,

CEO OF SEARLE CORP., THE MAKE OF ASPARTAME!]...AND ARE COMING HOME WITH

CONDITIONS THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION CAN'T RAISE A FINGER TO HELP...CHECK

INTO THE NUMBERS OF TROOPS WHO HAVE DIED AFTER RETURNING FROM TOURS OF DUTY

ON THE GROUND IN IRAQ.......PROBABLY AS HIGH AS ALL THE ILLNESS OF THE

FIRST RESPONDERS TO 911! SOMETHING ELSE THAT GETS LAID AT THIS

ADMINISTRATIONS FEET.....LET US NOT FORGET ALL THE AILING TROOPS WHO SERVED

THE FIRST BUSH IN THE GULF WAR THAT WAS WITH A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED

EVERYTHING AS WAS THIS IRAQI INSANITY!!!

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Environmental Damage Repair

 

 

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[Guest guest]

It is an insane world.....but most of the people believe in it. Your

troops in Iraq believe in what they are doing. So it is going to be

hard to change this world, is it not.

 

 

torsdag 4. okt 2007 kl. 14:48 skrev The Havens:

 

> AND YOU ARE NAIVE AND UNWORLDLY....FIRST IF ELECTIONS CHANGED ANYTHING

> ,

> THEY WOULD BE ILLEGAL [EMMA GOLDMAN I BELIEVE SAID THAT.]....OUR

> TROOPS [WE

> DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SOVEREIGN CITIZENS OF IRAQ] ARE BEING

> ASSAULTED WITH DEPLETED URANIUM, SHOT FULL OF ONLY GOD KNOWS WHAT IN

> THE

> VACCINES, FED COMMERCIALLY PRODUCED FOOD WITH THE WORST OF EVERYTHING

> IN

> IT......ASPARTAME IN SOFT DRINKS ANYONE.[ANT POISON FOR THOSE WHO

> DON'T THE

> HISTORY OF ASPARTAME AND BROUGHT TO US BY NONE OTHER THAN DONALD

> RUMSFELD,

> CEO OF SEARLE CORP., THE MAKE OF ASPARTAME!]...AND ARE COMING HOME WITH

> CONDITIONS THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION CAN'T RAISE A FINGER TO

> HELP...CHECK

> INTO THE NUMBERS OF TROOPS WHO HAVE DIED AFTER RETURNING FROM TOURS OF

> DUTY

> ON THE GROUND IN IRAQ.......PROBABLY AS HIGH AS ALL THE ILLNESS OF THE

> FIRST RESPONDERS TO 911! SOMETHING ELSE THAT GETS LAID AT THIS

> ADMINISTRATIONS FEET.....LET US NOT FORGET ALL THE AILING TROOPS WHO

> SERVED

> THE FIRST BUSH IN THE GULF WAR THAT WAS WITH A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED

> EVERYTHING AS WAS THIS IRAQI INSANITY!!!

> Kraig Carroll

> Environmental Damage Repair

>

>

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