Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Here's a mindful read for those of you that have bought into the free-range myth~ http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html "Free-Range" Hen • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic. • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying cycle). • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing slaughter when considered “spent” (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast enough pace). • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care. • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply because they can’t lay eggs. Hempress "The More You Know, The Less You Need" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 depends where you get 'free range'!! My free range chickens and my neighbors...are truly free range...from chick to old lady - free to roam on the range ... and selflessly supplying us with eggs, meat and more! ;-) Pam MO , " HAH " <GaiaHemp wrote: > > > Here's a mindful read for those of you that have bought into the free-range > myth~ > http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html > > " Free-Range " Hen > • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic. > • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying > cycle). > • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing > slaughter when considered " spent " (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast > enough pace). > • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care. > • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply > because they can't lay eggs. > > > Hempress > " The More You Know, The Less You Need " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 So your chicks are so free on the range they SELFLESSLY give their menstrual eggs up and also die for yah when they reach their time, when they are 5-10 years old ?? Why don't you and your neighbors teach other so called free range farms how you can get this to occur~ So you must not eat their meat often since they are able to live as long as they do, right? "Chickens and ducks can live anywhere from 5 - 10 years depending on the quality of life provided." http://www.petinfo4u.com/chickens.htm Hempress ---- Pam Staley 08/29/07 14:32:02 Re: The Free-Range Myth depends where you get 'free range'!! My free range chickens and my neighbors...are truly free range...from chick to old lady - free to roam on the range ... and selflessly supplying us with eggs, meat and more! ;-)PamMO , "HAH" <GaiaHemp wrote:>> > Here's a mindful read for those of you that have bought into the free-range> myth~> http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html> > "Free-Range" Hen> • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic.> • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying> cycle).> • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing> slaughter when considered "spent" (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast> enough pace).> • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care.> • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply> because they can't lay eggs.> > > Hempress> "The More You Know, The Less You Need"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 I let my chickens free range and predators ate them all. I heard their horrible deaths, much more prolonged than anything I would ever do to them in the process of butchering for meat (which I hardly ever do--I gather the eggs). They now have a fenced in yard with fence about 14 feet tall. And they get locked, yep, they get locked up, into a coop at night, with no way out, or most importantly, no way in, until I show up in the morning. But, I eat mostly eggs, and am friends with the birds I now have, as I was with the others. I leave their beaks alone. I don't kill roosters indiscriminately. I enjoy their crowing. My hens, I think, enjoy the sex. I have to say "I think" because it doesn't look very enjoyable the way the rooster jumps their bones. Sort of glad I am not a chicken as far as that end of things is concerned. They mostly only hear threats about the stewpot. I have one rooster that is always eyeing me up. He has attacked me a few times, but I had a brooding hen then, and chalked up his foolishness to that. - Pam Staley Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:48 PM Re: The Free-Range Myth depends where you get 'free range'!! My free range chickens and my neighbors...are truly free range...from chick to old lady - free to roam on the range ... and selflessly supplying us with eggs, meat and more! ;-)PamMO , "HAH" <GaiaHemp wrote:>> > Here's a mindful read for those of you that have bought into the free-range> myth~> http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html> > "Free-Range" Hen> • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic.> • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying> cycle).> • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing> slaughter when considered "spent" (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast> enough pace).> • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care.> • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply> because they can't lay eggs.> > > Hempress> "The More You Know, The Less You Need"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 I would eat eggs, maybe, if i housed chickens myself, but as a Vegan, all animal products used by humans, even lambskin condoms, really gross me out now except if i were to meet a new man that could make love like you say a Rooster can?? hmmm? Hempress ---- Ed Siceloff 08/29/07 15:49:43 Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth I let my chickens free range and predators ate them all. I heard their horrible deaths, much more prolonged than anything I would ever do to them in the process of butchering for meat (which I hardly ever do--I gather the eggs). They now have a fenced in yard with fence about 14 feet tall. And they get locked, yep, they get locked up, into a coop at night, with no way out, or most importantly, no way in, until I show up in the morning. But, I eat mostly eggs, and am friends with the birds I now have, as I was with the others. I leave their beaks alone. I don't kill roosters indiscriminately. I enjoy their crowing. My hens, I think, enjoy the sex. I have to say "I think" because it doesn't look very enjoyable the way the rooster jumps their bones. Sort of glad I am not a chicken as far as that end of things is concerned. They mostly only hear threats about the stewpot. I have one rooster that is always eyeing me up. He has attacked me a few times, but I had a brooding hen then, and chalked up his foolishness to that. - Pam Staley Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:48 PM Re: The Free-Range Myth depends where you get 'free range'!! My free range chickens and my neighbors...are truly free range...from chick to old lady - free to roam on the range ... and selflessly supplying us with eggs, meat and more! ;-)PamMO , "HAH" <GaiaHemp wrote:>> > Here's a mindful read for those of you that have bought into the free-range> myth~> http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html> > "Free-Range" Hen> • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic.> • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying> cycle).> • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing> slaughter when considered "spent" (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast> enough pace).> • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care.> • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply> because they can't lay eggs.> > > Hempress> "The More You Know, The Less You Need"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Everything lives and dies. WE live in die. And, things eat us. Sometimes things cause us much pain and agony while it eats us to death. All of life is a group of symbiotic relationships, including sentient creatures, and some non-sentient humans, as well, within the food chain. This is life and has been life for a few years now. - HAH Sent:. Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:28 PM Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth So your chicks are so free on the range they SELFLESSLY give their menstrual eggs up and also die for yah when they reach their time, when they are 5-10 years old ?? Why don't you and your neighbors teach other so called free range farms how you can get this to occur~ So you must not eat their meat often since they are able to live as long as they do, right? "Chickens and ducks can live anywhere from 5 - 10 years depending on the quality of life provided." http://www.petinfo4u.com/chickens.htm Hempress ---- Pam Staley 08/29/07 14:32:02 Re: The Free-Range Myth depends where you get 'free range'!! My free range chickens and my neighbors...are truly free range...from chick to old lady - free to roam on the range ... and selflessly supplying us with eggs, meat and more! ;-)PamMO , "HAH" <GaiaHemp wrote:>> > Here's a mindful read for those of you that have bought into the free-range> myth~> http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html> > "Free-Range" Hen> • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic.> • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying> cycle).> • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing> slaughter when considered "spent" (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast> enough pace).> • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care.> • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply> because they can't lay eggs.> > > Hempress> "The More You Know, The Less You Need"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Oh Ed,,, i still need to know about how selfless these chickens are for Pam and her neighbors are, so lets not get off of the subject because i am serious about the answer, ok? I also know that when humans consume "things" that want to fight for their lives, it causes bad Karma in us, as in cancer, heart disease, disgusting OBESITY and more~ And i also know when "things" cause us much pain and agony while it eats US to death, its because we did it to them first, and whenever "things" eat us its because they are ONLY eating what is already dead on us, not because we gave ourselves to it selflessly before our time, and if so, then WE wouldn't eat much chicken since it takes a long time for them to naturally die and do this for us~ If we actually ate these "things" after they have lived a full life, then we too would actually live a full life since we wouldn't be Gluttons anymore but that's not happening and that's my point~ We are the most gluttonous of all sentient being, i mean us Americans, and we are dying at a higher rate than any other Industrious Nation on earth because of this, so if you are ok with that then continue on making up reasons as to why WE need to eat more dead flesh, ok and i'll keep on selflessly fighting for the rights of those "things" you mentioned here to live and die when they are ready~ It's healthy and healing for us all, and our planet, to fight for all sentient beings, and trees and such, to live as long as possible before its consumed by US HUEMANS and not before, or we all pay, one way or another:)! Hempress Hempress ---- Ed Siceloff 08/29/07 16:23:19 Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth Everything lives and dies. WE live in die. And, things eat us. Sometimes things cause us much pain and agony while it eats us to death. All of life is a group of symbiotic relationships, including sentient creatures, and some non-sentient humans, as well, within the food chain. This is life and has been life for a few years now. - HAH Sent:. Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:28 PM Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth So your chicks are so free on the range they SELFLESSLY give their menstrual eggs up and also die for yah when they reach their time, when they are 5-10 years old ?? Why don't you and your neighbors teach other so called free range farms how you can get this to occur~ So you must not eat their meat often since they are able to live as long as they do, right? "Chickens and ducks can live anywhere from 5 - 10 years depending on the quality of life provided." http://www.petinfo4u.com/chickens.htm Hempress ---- Pam Staley 08/29/07 14:32:02 Re: The Free-Range Myth depends where you get 'free range'!! My free range chickens and my neighbors...are truly free range...from chick to old lady - free to roam on the range ... and selflessly supplying us with eggs, meat and more! ;-)PamMO , "HAH" <GaiaHemp wrote:>> > Here's a mindful read for those of you that have bought into the free-range> myth~> http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html> > "Free-Range" Hen> • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic.> • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying> cycle).> • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing> slaughter when considered "spent" (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast> enough pace).> • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care.> • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply> because they can't lay eggs.> > > Hempress> "The More You Know, The Less You Need"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 YES!!! It is so difficult to find someone else who feels this way - thankyou Hempress! Jane - HAH Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:11 AM Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth Oh Ed,,, i still need to know about how selfless these chickens are for Pam and her neighbors are, so lets not get off of the subject because i am serious about the answer, ok? I also know that when humans consume "things" that want to fight for their lives, it causes bad Karma in us, as in cancer, heart disease, disgusting OBESITY and more~ And i also know when "things" cause us much pain and agony while it eats US to death, its because we did it to them first, and whenever "things" eat us its because they are ONLY eating what is already dead on us, not because we gave ourselves to it selflessly before our time, and if so, then WE wouldn't eat much chicken since it takes a long time for them to naturally die and do this for us~ If we actually ate these "things" after they have lived a full life, then we too would actually live a full life since we wouldn't be Gluttons anymore but that's not happening and that's my point~ We are the most gluttonous of all sentient being, i mean us Americans, and we are dying at a higher rate than any other Industrious Nation on earth because of this, so if you are ok with that then continue on making up reasons as to why WE need to eat more dead flesh, ok and i'll keep on selflessly fighting for the rights of those "things" you mentioned here to live and die when they are ready~ It's healthy and healing for us all, and our planet, to fight for all sentient beings, and trees and such, to live as long as possible before its consumed by US HUEMANS and not before, or we all pay, one way or another:)! Hempress Hempress ---- Ed Siceloff 08/29/07 16:23:19 Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth Everything lives and dies. WE live in die. And, things eat us. Sometimes things cause us much pain and agony while it eats us to death. All of life is a group of symbiotic relationships, including sentient creatures, and some non-sentient humans, as well, within the food chain. This is life and has been life for a few years now. - HAH Sent:. Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:28 PM Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth So your chicks are so free on the range they SELFLESSLY give their menstrual eggs up and also die for yah when they reach their time, when they are 5-10 years old ?? Why don't you and your neighbors teach other so called free range farms how you can get this to occur~ So you must not eat their meat often since they are able to live as long as they do, right? "Chickens and ducks can live anywhere from 5 - 10 years depending on the quality of life provided." http://www.petinfo4u.com/chickens.htm Hempress ---- Pam Staley 08/29/07 14:32:02 Re: The Free-Range Myth depends where you get 'free range'!! My free range chickens and my neighbors...are truly free range...from chick to old lady - free to roam on the range ... and selflessly supplying us with eggs, meat and more! ;-)PamMO , "HAH" <GaiaHemp wrote:>> > Here's a mindful read for those of you that have bought into the free-range> myth~> http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html> > "Free-Range" Hen> • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic.> • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying> cycle).> • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing> slaughter when considered "spent" (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast> enough pace).> • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care.> • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply> because they can't lay eggs.> > > Hempress> "The More You Know, The Less You Need"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 You are in the middle of religious fervor. I didn't mention any reasons to eat meat, or, as you say, dead flesh. But, to give reason, I eat it because I am hungry. That's my reason. And, I for damn sure will not eat it while its alive. - HAH Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:11 PM Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth Oh Ed,,, i still need to know about how selfless these chickens are for Pam and her neighbors are, so lets not get off of the subject because i am serious about the answer, ok? I also know that when humans consume "things" that want to fight for their lives, it causes bad Karma in us, as in cancer, heart disease, disgusting OBESITY and more~ And i also know when "things" cause us much pain and agony while it eats US to death, its because we did it to them first, and whenever "things" eat us its because they are ONLY eating what is already dead on us, not because we gave ourselves to it selflessly before our time, and if so, then WE wouldn't eat much chicken since it takes a long time for them to naturally die and do this for us~ If we actually ate these "things" after they have lived a full life, then we too would actually live a full life since we wouldn't be Gluttons anymore but that's not happening and that's my point~ We are the most gluttonous of all sentient being, i mean us Americans, and we are dying at a higher rate than any other Industrious Nation on earth because of this, so if you are ok with that then continue on making up reasons as to why WE need to eat more dead flesh, ok and i'll keep on selflessly fighting for the rights of those "things" you mentioned here to live and die when they are ready~ It's healthy and healing for us all, and our planet, to fight for all sentient beings, and trees and such, to live as long as possible before its consumed by US HUEMANS and not before, or we all pay, one way or another:)! Hempress Hempress ---- Ed Siceloff 08/29/07 16:23:19 Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth Everything lives and dies. WE live in die. And, things eat us. Sometimes things cause us much pain and agony while it eats us to death. All of life is a group of symbiotic relationships, including sentient creatures, and some non-sentient humans, as well, within the food chain. This is life and has been life for a few years now. - HAH Sent:. Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:28 PM Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth So your chicks are so free on the range they SELFLESSLY give their menstrual eggs up and also die for yah when they reach their time, when they are 5-10 years old ?? Why don't you and your neighbors teach other so called free range farms how you can get this to occur~ So you must not eat their meat often since they are able to live as long as they do, right? "Chickens and ducks can live anywhere from 5 - 10 years depending on the quality of life provided." http://www.petinfo4u.com/chickens.htm Hempress ---- Pam Staley 08/29/07 14:32:02 Re: The Free-Range Myth depends where you get 'free range'!! My free range chickens and my neighbors...are truly free range...from chick to old lady - free to roam on the range ... and selflessly supplying us with eggs, meat and more! ;-)PamMO , "HAH" <GaiaHemp wrote:>> > Here's a mindful read for those of you that have bought into the free-range> myth~> http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html> > "Free-Range" Hen> • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic.> • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying> cycle).> • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing> slaughter when considered "spent" (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast> enough pace).> • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care.> • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply> because they can't lay eggs.> > > Hempress> "The More You Know, The Less You Need"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Just because i mentioned the one word "gluttonous" i am now in some religious fervor? hehe! Shit, i don't even believe in a God nor any type of dogma just for your information, it is just a word that makes a lot of since on so many levels TODAY other than the known fact it was in that so called good ole book~ So when you're hungry, you stare and then salivate at chickens clucking around in the yard before you chomp down on them with your claws,, tearing them apart with your fangs, eh? So be it~ I have somehow evolved past craving for other meat other than another human who is also craving for me,, sorry~ And i consume it ALIVE, thank goodness, once it gets a USDA stamp of approval:),, yummy! I don't care to eat anything that's dead and especially the DEAD FLESH of another species no matter how hungry i might be today~ I'd have to be pretty close at my wits end before that could occur today, for there is an abundance of LIVE Whole Plant Foods we can eat before that to occur, before we have to take another life, and also in doing this we are assisting in causing global warming and also starvation when this dead flesh we desire is factory farm~ So you LOVE cooked dead flesh, just admit it, ok? But you also need to admit that those who eat it are dying from this consumption at a higher than ever before, right?? So why promote the consumption of it when there are other alternatives??? Isn't it wonderful getting all this great information that can help us live a more fuller life, a life without dis-ease and bankruptcy for as long as possible?? That's all i'm trying to share here with you, Ed, and everyone else and i don't expect any less given to me, ok? I am done with this subject since the original questioned i asked isn't being simply answered~ Hempress ---- Ed Siceloff 08/30/07 11:36:05 Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth You are in the middle of religious fervor. I didn't mention any reasons to eat meat, or, as you say, dead flesh. But, to give reason, I eat it because I am hungry. That's my reason. And, I for damn sure will not eat it while its alive. - HAH Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:11 PM Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth Oh Ed,,, i still need to know about how selfless these chickens are for Pam and her neighbors are, so lets not get off of the subject because i am serious about the answer, ok? I also know that when humans consume "things" that want to fight for their lives, it causes bad Karma in us, as in cancer, heart disease, disgusting OBESITY and more~ And i also know when "things" cause us much pain and agony while it eats US to death, its because we did it to them first, and whenever "things" eat us its because they are ONLY eating what is already dead on us, not because we gave ourselves to it selflessly before our time, and if so, then WE wouldn't eat much chicken since it takes a long time for them to naturally die and do this for us~ If we actually ate these "things" after they have lived a full life, then we too would actually live a full life since we wouldn't be Gluttons anymore but that's not happening and that's my point~ We are the most gluttonous of all sentient being, i mean us Americans, and we are dying at a higher rate than any other Industrious Nation on earth because of this, so if you are ok with that then continue on making up reasons as to why WE need to eat more dead flesh, ok and i'll keep on selflessly fighting for the rights of those "things" you mentioned here to live and die when they are ready~ It's healthy and healing for us all, and our planet, to fight for all sentient beings, and trees and such, to live as long as possible before its consumed by US HUEMANS and not before, or we all pay, one way or another:)! Hempress Hempress ---- Ed Siceloff 08/29/07 16:23:19 Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth Everything lives and dies. WE live in die. And, things eat us. Sometimes things cause us much pain and agony while it eats us to death. All of life is a group of symbiotic relationships, including sentient creatures, and some non-sentient humans, as well, within the food chain. This is life and has been life for a few years now. - HAH Sent:. Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:28 PM Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth So your chicks are so free on the range they SELFLESSLY give their menstrual eggs up and also die for yah when they reach their time, when they are 5-10 years old ?? Why don't you and your neighbors teach other so called free range farms how you can get this to occur~ So you must not eat their meat often since they are able to live as long as they do, right? "Chickens and ducks can live anywhere from 5 - 10 years depending on the quality of life provided." http://www.petinfo4u.com/chickens.htm Hempress ---- Pam Staley 08/29/07 14:32:02 Re: The Free-Range Myth depends where you get 'free range'!! My free range chickens and my neighbors...are truly free range...from chick to old lady - free to roam on the range ... and selflessly supplying us with eggs, meat and more! ;-)PamMO , "HAH" <GaiaHemp wrote:>> > Here's a mindful read for those of you that have bought into the free-range> myth~> http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html> > "Free-Range" Hen> • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic.> • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying> cycle).> • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing> slaughter when considered "spent" (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast> enough pace).> • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care.> • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply> because they can't lay eggs.> > > Hempress> "The More You Know, The Less You Need"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 ditto!! ---- Jane MacRoss 08/29/07 18:21:28 Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth YES!!! It is so difficult to find someone else who feels this way - thankyou Hempress! Jane - HAH Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:11 AM Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth Oh Ed,,, i still need to know about how selfless these chickens are for Pam and her neighbors are, so lets not get off of the subject because i am serious about the answer, ok? I also know that when humans consume "things" that want to fight for their lives, it causes bad Karma in us, as in cancer, heart disease, disgusting OBESITY and more~ And i also know when "things" cause us much pain and agony while it eats US to death, its because we did it to them first, and whenever "things" eat us its because they are ONLY eating what is already dead on us, not because we gave ourselves to it selflessly before our time, and if so, then WE wouldn't eat much chicken since it takes a long time for them to naturally die and do this for us~ If we actually ate these "things" after they have lived a full life, then we too would actually live a full life since we wouldn't be Gluttons anymore but that's not happening and that's my point~ We are the most gluttonous of all sentient being, i mean us Americans, and we are dying at a higher rate than any other Industrious Nation on earth because of this, so if you are ok with that then continue on making up reasons as to why WE need to eat more dead flesh, ok and i'll keep on selflessly fighting for the rights of those "things" you mentioned here to live and die when they are ready~ It's healthy and healing for us all, and our planet, to fight for all sentient beings, and trees and such, to live as long as possible before its consumed by US HUEMANS and not before, or we all pay, one way or another:)! Hempress Hempress ---- Ed Siceloff 08/29/07 16:23:19 Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth Everything lives and dies. WE live in die. And, things eat us. Sometimes things cause us much pain and agony while it eats us to death. All of life is a group of symbiotic relationships, including sentient creatures, and some non-sentient humans, as well, within the food chain. This is life and has been life for a few years now. - HAH Sent:. Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:28 PM Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth So your chicks are so free on the range they SELFLESSLY give their menstrual eggs up and also die for yah when they reach their time, when they are 5-10 years old ?? Why don't you and your neighbors teach other so called free range farms how you can get this to occur~ So you must not eat their meat often since they are able to live as long as they do, right? "Chickens and ducks can live anywhere from 5 - 10 years depending on the quality of life provided." http://www.petinfo4u.com/chickens.htm Hempress ---- Pam Staley 08/29/07 14:32:02 Re: The Free-Range Myth depends where you get 'free range'!! My free range chickens and my neighbors...are truly free range...from chick to old lady - free to roam on the range ... and selflessly supplying us with eggs, meat and more! ;-)PamMO , "HAH" <GaiaHemp wrote:>> > Here's a mindful read for those of you that have bought into the free-range> myth~> http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html> > "Free-Range" Hen> • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic.> • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying> cycle).> • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing> slaughter when considered "spent" (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast> enough pace).> • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care.> • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply> because they can't lay eggs.> > > Hempress> "The More You Know, The Less You Need"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 manana is my 48th b-day and i'm celebrating it a lil early, oh yeah! (i'm alive and well MUCH longer than They thought i would live) so i may have made some typos because of this~ "it is just a word that makes a lot of since on so many levels" If you find anymore, mail them to me with your b-day gift to me, oK? alright! ---- HAH 08/30/07 17:18:56 Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth Just because i mentioned the one word "gluttonous" i am now in some religious fervor? hehe! Shit, i don't even believe in a God nor any type of dogma just for your information, it is just a word that makes a lot of since on so many levels TODAY other than the known fact it was in that so called good ole book~ So when you're hungry, you stare and then salivate at chickens clucking around in the yard before you chomp down on them with your claws,, tearing them apart with your fangs, eh? So be it~ I have somehow evolved past craving for other meat other than another human who is also craving for me,, sorry~ And i consume it ALIVE, thank goodness, once it gets a USDA stamp of approval:),, yummy! I don't care to eat anything that's dead and especially the DEAD FLESH of another species no matter how hungry i might be today~ I'd have to be pretty close at my wits end before that could occur today, for there is an abundance of LIVE Whole Plant Foods we can eat before that to occur, before we have to take another life, and also in doing this we are assisting in causing global warming and also starvation when this dead flesh we desire is factory farm~ So you LOVE cooked dead flesh, just admit it, ok? But you also need to admit that those who eat it are dying from this consumption at a higher than ever before, right?? So why promote the consumption of it when there are other alternatives??? Isn't it wonderful getting all this great information that can help us live a more fuller life, a life without dis-ease and bankruptcy for as long as possible?? That's all i'm trying to share here with you, Ed, and everyone else and i don't expect any less given to me, ok? I am done with this subject since the original questioned i asked isn't being simply answered~ Hempress ---- Ed Siceloff 08/30/07 11:36:05 Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth You are in the middle of religious fervor. I didn't mention any reasons to eat meat, or, as you say, dead flesh. But, to give reason, I eat it because I am hungry. That's my reason. And, I for damn sure will not eat it while its alive. - HAH Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:11 PM Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth Oh Ed,,, i still need to know about how selfless these chickens are for Pam and her neighbors are, so lets not get off of the subject because i am serious about the answer, ok? I also know that when humans consume "things" that want to fight for their lives, it causes bad Karma in us, as in cancer, heart disease, disgusting OBESITY and more~ And i also know when "things" cause us much pain and agony while it eats US to death, its because we did it to them first, and whenever "things" eat us its because they are ONLY eating what is already dead on us, not because we gave ourselves to it selflessly before our time, and if so, then WE wouldn't eat much chicken since it takes a long time for them to naturally die and do this for us~ If we actually ate these "things" after they have lived a full life, then we too would actually live a full life since we wouldn't be Gluttons anymore but that's not happening and that's my point~ We are the most gluttonous of all sentient being, i mean us Americans, and we are dying at a higher rate than any other Industrious Nation on earth because of this, so if you are ok with that then continue on making up reasons as to why WE need to eat more dead flesh, ok and i'll keep on selflessly fighting for the rights of those "things" you mentioned here to live and die when they are ready~ It's healthy and healing for us all, and our planet, to fight for all sentient beings, and trees and such, to live as long as possible before its consumed by US HUEMANS and not before, or we all pay, one way or another:)! Hempress Hempress ---- Ed Siceloff 08/29/07 16:23:19 Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth Everything lives and dies. WE live in die. And, things eat us. Sometimes things cause us much pain and agony while it eats us to death. All of life is a group of symbiotic relationships, including sentient creatures, and some non-sentient humans, as well, within the food chain. This is life and has been life for a few years now. - HAH Sent:. Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:28 PM Re: Re: The Free-Range Myth So your chicks are so free on the range they SELFLESSLY give their menstrual eggs up and also die for yah when they reach their time, when they are 5-10 years old ?? Why don't you and your neighbors teach other so called free range farms how you can get this to occur~ So you must not eat their meat often since they are able to live as long as they do, right? "Chickens and ducks can live anywhere from 5 - 10 years depending on the quality of life provided." http://www.petinfo4u.com/chickens.htm Hempress ---- Pam Staley 08/29/07 14:32:02 Re: The Free-Range Myth depends where you get 'free range'!! My free range chickens and my neighbors...are truly free range...from chick to old lady - free to roam on the range ... and selflessly supplying us with eggs, meat and more! ;-)PamMO , "HAH" <GaiaHemp wrote:>> > Here's a mindful read for those of you that have bought into the free-range> myth~> http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html> > "Free-Range" Hen> • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic.> • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying> cycle).> • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing> slaughter when considered "spent" (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast> enough pace).> • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care.> • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply> because they can't lay eggs.> > > Hempress> "The More You Know, The Less You Need"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Free-Range is better as the animals are allowed to wander around, eat also from nature and accumulate less fat in their bodies. Free range is not a matter of the animals emotions I think. , " HAH " <GaiaHemp wrote: > > > Here's a mindful read for those of you that have bought into the free-range > myth~ > http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html > > " Free-Range " Hen > • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic. > • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying > cycle). > • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing > slaughter when considered " spent " (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast > enough pace). > • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care. > • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply > because they can't lay eggs. > > > Hempress > " The More You Know, The Less You Need " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 yeah, like their "selflessly" nature~ ---- Dinesh 08/31/07 18:04:43 Re: The Free-Range Myth Free-Range is better as the animals are allowed to wander around, eat also from nature and accumulate less fat in their bodies. Free range is not a matter of the animals emotions I think. , "HAH" <GaiaHemp wrote:>> > Here's a mindful read for those of you that have bought into the free-range> myth~> http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html> > "Free-Range" Hen> • Debeaked with a hot bloody blade at one day old with no anesthetic.> • Force molted (intentionally starved to shock the body into another laying> cycle).> • Violently packed into a semi and trucked hundreds of miles to an agonizing> slaughter when considered "spent" (unable to keep laying eggs at a fast> enough pace).> • Denied the opportunity to live a natural life in truly humane care.> • All of her brothers (roosters) are brutally killed as baby chicks simply> because they can't lay eggs.> > > Hempress> "The More You Know, The Less You Need"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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