Taking vitamins and supplements*

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Yes I understand that---and if we lived in nature that is definitely the route I would take---and do as much as I am able. I do find however that due to specific stresses because of our unnatural living---and no amount of care can weed out things like chemtrails--pollution--lack of nutrients in food--water contaminants, etc....soooo I'm finding myself doing a jig as best as i can with what I know about causes and effects of these unnatural situations---and find that they often need extra fortifications of some sort or other. So in effect that is the kind of information I'm looking for. Had we lived in a natural world---there probably wouldn't even be such a thing as the Health_and_healing forum....alas.... But thanks for info Beabluegreensolutions <bluegreensolutions wrote: There is an important concept, which is called the"interdependency factor". The carbohydrate, protein and fatty acidsare called the macro-nutrients (the big nutrients). The minerals,vitamins and enzymes are called micro-nutrients. There isinterdependency between the two. Taking mega-doses of a certainvitamin or mineral, instead of looking at the whole food, just won'twork in your body. For example, if you take some essential aminoacids, that just won't work in your body without vitamins, minerals,and enzymes. So in order for the

protein to be assimilated and turninto amino acids, you have to have all the escort molecules ofvitamins, minerals and enzymes attached to it. And in order for yourbody to use the vitamins, minerals and enzymes, it needsmacro-nutrients (which are also escort molecules) attached to them sothat the body can make use of the vitamins, minerals and enzymes. So think about whole food supplementation, not bits and pieces ofsynthetic/isolated pills that are never found like that in nature.Carol , Bea Bernhausen<beabernhausen wrote:>> Can someone point me at some info about what vitamins andsupplements should be taken together--like for instance calcium shouldbe taken with magnesium potassium and zinc as well as Vit D. Alsowhich vitamins are water and which fat soluble and other

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Also in regards to your message below---wehn I take any vitamins or supplements I do try to take them while eating foods that would have those components in them in order to take advantage of the synergistic effect.Bea Bernhausen <beabernhausen wrote: Yes I understand that---and if we lived in nature that is definitely the route I would take---and do as much as I am able. I do find however that due to specific stresses because of our unnatural living---and no amount of care can weed out things

like chemtrails--pollution--lack of nutrients in food--water contaminants, etc....soooo I'm finding myself doing a jig as best as i can with what I know about causes and effects of these unnatural situations---and find that they often need extra fortifications of some sort or other. So in effect that is the kind of information I'm looking for. Had we lived in a natural world---there probably wouldn't even be such a thing as the Health_and_healing forum....alas.... But thanks for info Beabluegreensolutions <bluegreensolutions > wrote: There is an important concept, which is called the"interdependency factor". The carbohydrate, protein and fatty acidsare

called the macro-nutrients (the big nutrients). The minerals,vitamins and enzymes are called micro-nutrients. There isinterdependency between the two. Taking mega-doses of a certainvitamin or mineral, instead of looking at the whole food, just won'twork in your body. For example, if you take some essential aminoacids, that just won't work in your body without vitamins, minerals,and enzymes. So in order for the protein to be assimilated and turninto amino acids, you have to have all the escort molecules ofvitamins, minerals and enzymes attached to it. And in order for yourbody to use the vitamins, minerals and enzymes, it needsmacro-nutrients (which are also escort molecules) attached to them sothat the body can make use of the vitamins, minerals and enzymes. So think about whole food supplementation, not bits and pieces ofsynthetic/isolated pills that are never found like that in nature.Carol , Bea Bernhausen<beabernhausen wrote:>> Can someone point me at some info about what vitamins andsupplements should be taken together--like for instance calcium shouldbe taken with magnesium potassium and zinc as well as Vit D. Alsowhich vitamins are water and which fat soluble and other necessaryinfo for taking vitamins etc....> > Thanks Much> Bea> > > > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!> Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.Try the Mail Beta.

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Yes, but how do you know the components are in the foods you're

eating? Are you eating totally organic? Then *maybe* you would be

getting them. A body was not meant to run on mega-doses of isolated

and synthetic substances. A body needs *all* the nutrients in a

balanced form. If you take vit. c, or calcium, or vit. e, or whatever

else, you create an imbalance in your body. You need whole food.

 

Carol

 

, Bea Bernhausen

<beabernhausen wrote:

>

> Also in regards to your message below---wehn I take any vitamins or

supplements I do try to take them while eating foods that would have

those components in them in order to take advantage of the synergistic

effect.

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I guess you didnt read or pay attention to the first part of my post about unnatural substances throwing off the natural balances our bodies are used to functioning under.. All right lets take the instance of chemtrails. The barium in chemtrails gets to the bones first---displacing calcium magnesium potassium and other minerals we need for electrolyte balance, and thus to heart function (a big one for me), as well as other muscle and other bodily functions. I'm sorry but I cant eat enough kale during the day to be able to rebalance this lack so I take it in tablet form along with a small amount of kale or cabbage or whatever food I have that those supplements usually come from. I do try to eat as much organic as I can--and am doing the best I can in a world thrown into chaos by those who want to destroy it and us as well. If you are not able to give me any further information about my original question I am going to close this conversation as we just keep going over

the same ground. Thanks for your interest Beabluegreensolutions <bluegreensolutions wrote: Yes, but how do you know the components are in the foods you'reeating? Are you eating totally organic? Then *maybe* you would begetting them. A body was not meant to run on mega-doses of isolatedand synthetic substances. A body needs *all* the nutrients in abalanced form. If you take vit. c, or calcium, or vit. e, or whateverelse, you create an imbalance in

your body. You need whole food.Carol , Bea Bernhausen<beabernhausen wrote:>> Also in regards to your message below---wehn I take any vitamins orsupplements I do try to take them while eating foods that would havethose components in them in order to take advantage of the synergisticeffect.

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Of course I read your post, that's why I answered you. Sorry, but I

stand by what I said - you can't take megadoses of artificial

substances - your body doesn't even recognize that as food - you end

up with expensive pee. If you want to supplement, then at least find

a whole food supplement (the ingredients listed would be just one

food, not a mixture of isolates) so you don't throw your body even

more out of balance.

 

But until people realize they are wasting their money on

isolates/synthetics, they will always be there on the shelf for people

to buy.

 

Carol

 

-- In , Bea Bernhausen

<beabernhausen wrote:

>

> I guess you didnt read or pay attention to the first part of my post

about unnatural substances throwing off the natural balances our

bodies are used to functioning under.. All right lets take the

instance of chemtrails. The barium in chemtrails gets to the bones

first---displacing calcium magnesium potassium and other minerals we

need for electrolyte balance, and thus to heart function (a big one

for me), as well as other muscle and other bodily functions. I'm sorry

but I cant eat enough kale during the day to be able to rebalance this

lack so I take it in tablet form along with a small amount of kale or

cabbage or whatever food I have that those supplements usually come

from. I do try to eat as much organic as I can--and am doing the best

I can in a world thrown into chaos by those who want to destroy it and

us as well. If you are not able to give me any further information

about my original question I am going to close this conversation as we

just keep going over the

> same ground.

>

> Thanks for your interest

> Bea

>

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I agree with Carol in principle that whole food is preferred, but

predicting the body will be thrown out of balance by supplements

is untrue, and years of exposure to this kind of post has never

made me believe the claim. In fact we already know that many non-

whole-food-supplements provide considerable benefit despite the

nebulous " more benefit " perception carrot dangled by crafty MLM

marketers.

 

By way of example, undenatured whey ISOLATE is not a whole food

but is probably the most important supplement you could take, and

in this form it is vastly superior to its whole food alternative,

milk, due to it's isolation and concentration. This example alone

undermines the absolute nature of Carol's statement, and in all

honesty, Carol should probably be wording her view as a simple

personal preference.

 

The real focus of authoritative advice should not be choose whole

food over supplements because of some nebulous perception that

whole food is categorically " better " as Carol suggests, but to

choose whole food and supplements as appropriate that support

your biology adequately. In some cases the whole food might win,

and in others, the supplement.

 

Duncan

 

 

On 16 Jul 2007 at 7:31, wrote:

 

> Re: Taking vitamins and supplements*

> Posted by: " bluegreensolutions " bluegreensolutions

> bluegreensolutions Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:28 am ((PDT))

>

> Of course I read your post, that's why I answered you. Sorry, but I

> stand by what I said - you can't take megadoses of artificial

> substances - your body doesn't even recognize that as food - you end

> up with expensive pee. If you want to supplement, then at least find

> a whole food supplement (the ingredients listed would be just one

> food, not a mixture of isolates) so you don't throw your body even

> more out of balance.

>

> But until people realize they are wasting their money on

> isolates/synthetics, they will always be there on the shelf for people

> to buy.

>

> Carol