question,bit long sorry need to know

October 17, 2004

ok you would not get the shot??? ok i remember having a shot years ago and seven years ago i had surgery so i do not know if they gave it to me before surgery ,,,that is where the checking of the records ,,,,, in any case,,,, what should be given ,,,if anything at all at this point,,,, the injury occured mid week ,,,, roseJulie Hensley <julie wrote:

Rose

First thing, whether the wound looks good or bad you could be at risk for tetanus so while it sounds like its gotten infected, don't take that as any indication that you are in trouble or not... though, my understanding (and it may be different with animals) is that tetanus usually shows up within a few days. You may want to check on the incubation but I wouldn't get the shot. Odds are if you EVER had a tetanus shot and it provided immunity that you still have that protection. Second, while I am sure this isn't exactly going to sound like fun, tetanus isn't that serious of a disease. It is inconvenient for sure.. probably uncomfortable, embarrassing, compromising and I am not suggesting that you should WANT to get it... but if it were to pass that you did, its not life-threatening. At least not in any scenario I've heard of.

Do they not make a tetanus anti-toxoid for people? Again that is not the herbal approach but I know that the standard allopathic approach to tetanus exposure for animals is a shot of anti-toxoid rather than a vaccination if only because its too late for the vaccine at that point anyway. It takes time for a vaccine to work.. time that will be inadequate if the tetanus is in your system.

Sounds more like you should be focusing on what you need to do to clear up the infection to me. Finally there are no doubt greater minds on this list than I... so I wouldn't use my information as much of anything except to maybe get you to ask more questions and do more searching on the web for information.

Julie

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rose_t_koubek

herbal remedies

Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:29 AM

Herbal Remedies - question,bit long sorry

hello,sorry if the post seems to ramble a bit.here goesI decided to give my kitchen the good once over ,,, the big job-- getting under the stove,,,, here is the gross part,,,,, two years ago I had company over ,,, making home made roast , put in bag with water , all the spices ahd herbs ,,,short version,,, nearly done and i opened up the oven to check meat temp and since i used a made for baking in the oven glass pan,,, the pan shattered!!!!! glass every where ,,i was lucky it did not hit my eyes,,, andy way the stuff went all over,,,, turned off oven,, let every thing cool down and began to dispose of that nights dinner into the garbage,,, glass inbedded in the roast,,,well here is the problem the juices with teh herbs and spices got under the stove,,,, so i was able to get most of that cleased up but i am short 5'2 and my husbands who is 6 ft has longer arms asked him to clean up

the rest as i could not reach back behind the stove,,he assured me it was clean,,, ok ,,, well after that i always ahd a funky smell in my kitchen,,,, hum,,,,, so i removed the drawyer and it was never fully cleaned up ,,, ewwww so i got on hands and knees got a lamp on the flood and spraied with antobactorial spray, two kinds,,,, and as i was scrubbing and wiping,,,i was not wearing gloves,,,i know ,i know ,,, blood all over every where,, and ouch i had sliced my thumb open on that bottom piece of metal near the floor near all that old crap,,,,blood gushing,,,and of course i lose it,,,rinsed with water ,,forgot the soap ,,, wraped it it in used dish towel ,,just trying to stop the bleeding...run to bath room,,,, rinse again cold water and tried to put on nepsporin,,,, more blood gushing,,,, o i remember ,,, peroxide so on i poured it as i was doing the stinging dance ,,ouch ouch good blood slowing

down ,,,more pressure then noepsorin,,,and in bandages,,,so now i call dr and they said i had to find out whn last tetanaus shot was ,, so i call and they have to go to archieves,,said it will take a few days,,ok so the dr was able to squeeze me in fri ,, ok dr was called to er ,, so the PA saw me,,, I carefully removed the wrapping and look good no red, normal flesh color ,,,so to my horror and wioth no gloves or washing her hands she said well it does not look infected and then started to squees it and push it and reopen it, and got it bloeeding again!!!!!! then she said she was giving me the shot right then,,,,now i was told they needed the correct date of last shot due to either on the type of shor or a group and she said if is was her she would take that shot regardless,,, well i refused ,,i told her i wanted to wait as weven the dr said it was suppose to be just looked ,,,wekk now two days later it

look red and infected a far cry from when i went in ,,,,,i think swherealized that she forgot the gloves and was trying to cover her but,,many way what should i do ,,,, i keep getting different kinds of info , on the shot/ or the group and i do not trust any shot,,, any info would be helpful,,,,, i did call the service and talked to the dr on call , said if i get sick go to the er,, but will see me on monday,,i am really worried that they are going to really try to cover their you know what because of what this PA did,,, so in the mean time do i really have to get the shot/shots... to aviod tetaneous,,,, rose Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician

and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical

doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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October 18, 2004

Rose, there is some kind of poultice in the files which should help you. Check in the files.

Lisa

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r tk

herbal remedies

Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:37 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - question,bit long sorry need to know

ok you would not get the shot??? ok i remember having a shot years ago and seven years ago i had surgery so i do not know if they gave it to me before surgery ,,,that is where the checking of the records ,,,,, in any case,,,, what should be given ,,,if anything at all at this point,,,, the injury occured mid week ,,,, roseJulie Hensley <julie wrote:

Rose

First thing, whether the wound looks good or bad you could be at risk for tetanus so while it sounds like its gotten infected, don't take that as any indication that you are in trouble or not... though, my understanding (and it may be different with animals) is that tetanus usually shows up within a few days. You may want to check on the incubation but I wouldn't get the shot. Odds are if you EVER had a tetanus shot and it provided immunity that you still have that protection. Second, while I am sure this isn't exactly going to sound like fun, tetanus isn't that serious of a disease. It is inconvenient for sure.. probably uncomfortable, embarrassing, compromising and I am not suggesting that you should WANT to get it... but if it were to pass that you did, its not life-threatening. At least not in any scenario I've heard of.

Do they not make a tetanus anti-toxoid for people? Again that is not the herbal approach but I know that the standard allopathic approach to tetanus exposure for animals is a shot of anti-toxoid rather than a vaccination if only because its too late for the vaccine at that point anyway. It takes time for a vaccine to work.. time that will be inadequate if the tetanus is in your system.

Sounds more like you should be focusing on what you need to do to clear up the infection to me. Finally there are no doubt greater minds on this list than I... so I wouldn't use my information as much of anything except to maybe get you to ask more questions and do more searching on the web for information.

Julie

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rose_t_koubek

herbal remedies

Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:29 AM

Herbal Remedies - question,bit long sorry

hello,sorry if the post seems to ramble a bit.here goesI decided to give my kitchen the good once over ,,, the big job-- getting under the stove,,,, here is the gross part,,,,, two years ago I had company over ,,, making home made roast , put in bag with water , all the spices ahd herbs ,,,short version,,, nearly done and i opened up the oven to check meat temp and since i used a made for baking in the oven glass pan,,, the pan shattered!!!!! glass every where ,,i was lucky it did not hit my eyes,,, andy way the stuff went all over,,,, turned off oven,, let every thing cool down and began to dispose of that nights dinner into the garbage,,, glass inbedded in the roast,,,well here is the problem the juices with teh herbs and spices got under the stove,,,, so i was able to get most of that cleased up but i am short 5'2 and my husbands who is 6 ft has longer arms asked him to clean up the rest as i could not reach back behind the stove,,he assured me it was clean,,, ok ,,, well after that i always ahd a funky smell in my kitchen,,,, hum,,,,, so i removed the drawyer and it was never fully cleaned up ,,, ewwww so i got on hands and knees got a lamp on the flood and spraied with antobactorial spray, two kinds,,,, and as i was scrubbing and wiping,,,i was not wearing gloves,,,i know ,i know ,,, blood all over every where,, and ouch i had sliced my thumb open on that bottom piece of metal near the floor near all that old crap,,,,blood gushing,,,and of course i lose it,,,rinsed with water ,,forgot the soap ,,, wraped it it in used dish towel ,,just trying to stop the bleeding...run to bath room,,,, rinse again cold water and tried to put on nepsporin,,,, more blood gushing,,,, o i remember ,,, peroxide so on i poured it as i was doing the stinging dance ,,ouch ouch good blood slowing down ,,,more pressure then noepsorin,,,and in bandages,,,so now i call dr and they said i had to find out whn last tetanaus shot was ,, so i call and they have to go to archieves,,said it will take a few days,,ok so the dr was able to squeeze me in fri ,, ok dr was called to er ,, so the PA saw me,,, I carefully removed the wrapping and look good no red, normal flesh color ,,,so to my horror and wioth no gloves or washing her hands she said well it does not look infected and then started to squees it and push it and reopen it, and got it bloeeding again!!!!!! then she said she was giving me the shot right then,,,,now i was told they needed the correct date of last shot due to either on the type of shor or a group and she said if is was her she would take that shot regardless,,, well i refused ,,i told her i wanted to wait as weven the dr said it was suppose to be just looked ,,,wekk now two days later it look red and infected a far cry from when i went in ,,,,,i think swherealized that she forgot the gloves and was trying to cover her but,,many way what should i do ,,,, i keep getting different kinds of info , on the shot/ or the group and i do not trust any shot,,, any info would be helpful,,,,, i did call the service and talked to the dr on call , said if i get sick go to the er,, but will see me on monday,,i am really worried that they are going to really try to cover their you know what because of what this PA did,,, so in the mean time do i really have to get the shot/shots... to aviod tetaneous,,,, rose Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

vote. - Register online to vote today! Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington