Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Hello you wonderful people! I just wanted to let you know that I have truly enjoyed reading your stories of recovery and strength. They are absolutely wonderful! Thank you so much for sharing these! I myself have not gone through anything similar personally, but I did go through a period of trying to help a neighbor out. He wouldn't change his diet, and he was absolutely convinced that he needed his meds. Anyway, the ending to his story is not a happy one, so I won't share the details. I am very happy to know such wonderful and strong people as yourselves. This is a very difficult thing to deal with and I admire your strength. I am saving these stories to share with anyone else that I might know that needs similar help. (I hope that's OK!) I couldn't convince him, but maybe I can help others. Thank you so much, you are wonderful people!!! Love, Kelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Call it morbid curiosity but what happened to this guy? Kelli Bever [kelli] Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:30 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong peopleHello you wonderful people!I just wanted to let you know that I have truly enjoyed reading yourstories of recovery and strength. They are absolutely wonderful! Thankyou so much for sharing these!I myself have not gone through anything similar personally, but I did gothrough a period of trying to help a neighbor out. He wouldn't changehis diet, and he was absolutely convinced that he needed his meds.Anyway, the ending to his story is not a happy one, so I won't share thedetails.I am very happy to know such wonderful and strong people as yourselves.This is a very difficult thing to deal with and I admire your strength.I am saving these stories to share with anyone else that I might knowthat needs similar help. (I hope that's OK!) I couldn't convince him,but maybe I can help others. Thank you so much, you are wonderfulpeople!!!Love,KelliFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release 9/13/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release 9/13/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What a funny question! The phrasing was perfect! JG Lauren Bastow [lbastow]Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:03 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people Call it morbid curiosity but what happened to this guy? Kelli Bever [kelli] Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:30 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong peopleHello you wonderful people!I just wanted to let you know that I have truly enjoyed reading yourstories of recovery and strength. They are absolutely wonderful! Thankyou so much for sharing these!I myself have not gone through anything similar personally, but I did gothrough a period of trying to help a neighbor out. He wouldn't changehis diet, and he was absolutely convinced that he needed his meds.Anyway, the ending to his story is not a happy one, so I won't share thedetails.I am very happy to know such wonderful and strong people as yourselves.This is a very difficult thing to deal with and I admire your strength.I am saving these stories to share with anyone else that I might knowthat needs similar help. (I hope that's OK!) I couldn't convince him,but maybe I can help others. Thank you so much, you are wonderfulpeople!!!Love,KelliFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release 9/13/2004Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release 9/13/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Exactly right phrasing of the question! Unfortunately.... Here is the "bullet" version of the last year and a half of Roy Morris' life: - unaddressed emotional issues, put on psych drugs - becomes unable to care for himself, becomes ward of the state - psych drugs changed, dosages changed, personality becomes unrecognizable - violence leads to police visits, weekends in the psych ward - ends up being taken away permanently - died a month ago He was my neighbor and a very good friend for 13 years. I know that I come across quite strongly as a pro-nutrition/herb and anti-medico/psych, but I feel that I lived this tragedy with my neighbor and it is scarey to me how quickly the noose tightened down on him. He didn't really have any family that were around to help with this situation. I had numerous conversations with the police when they were called because of his violent outbursts. I helped out the nurse that was hiding in his front yard because 15 minutes after taking his psych drugs he became violent and she feared for her life. I spoke with the head nurse who was in charge of the people that would come and care for Roy and she agreed that the psych drugs always preceeded his bad incidents and that he should be taken off them immediately, but of course, neither of us were authorized to do that and the doctor didn't care what was written in the nurses reports. I called CCHR but everything that was being done to Roy was completely legal. I watched my neighbor get killed and I felt helpless to do anything about it. I just want to shout from the rooftops so that everyone knows how deadly this false data is. I want everyone to know that you CAN control your own health. Whatever situation you find yourself in today - body health or mental health - you CAN change it for the better. You don't have to be labelled the rest of your life. Thank you for letting me rant a little. I think I needed that! Kelli Lauren Bastow [lbastow] Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:03 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people Call it morbid curiosity but what happened to this guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 sorry about your friend. My "HAHAHA" was at the phrasing. I'm actually an actor so I might be a little too attuned to odd things like that. But I totally agree. Our bodies are incredibly powerful and given the right stuff have the ability to heal themselves! I think doctors are good, but preventative medicine is so much stronger. I mean, lets say we never took out our garbage in our houses. It would pile up and there would be rats and germs and all sorts of things. Doctors are often like the exterminators who come into the house and kill the bugs and rats. They address the symptoms. But we have to take the garbage out and if we do, the symptoms will disappear. I feel so strongly about this that I became a distributor for a health and wellness company that uses all herbal and natural products that are scalar enhanced. Because I do not make them, I do think it would be prudent to share anything about the products or the business on the group. But suffice to say that I completely agree and have taken steps to spread that message as well!! Justin Giddings Kelli Bever [kelli]Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:57 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people Exactly right phrasing of the question! Unfortunately.... Here is the "bullet" version of the last year and a half of Roy Morris' life: - unaddressed emotional issues, put on psych drugs - becomes unable to care for himself, becomes ward of the state - psych drugs changed, dosages changed, personality becomes unrecognizable - violence leads to police visits, weekends in the psych ward - ends up being taken away permanently - died a month ago He was my neighbor and a very good friend for 13 years. I know that I come across quite strongly as a pro-nutrition/herb and anti-medico/psych, but I feel that I lived this tragedy with my neighbor and it is scarey to me how quickly the noose tightened down on him. He didn't really have any family that were around to help with this situation. I had numerous conversations with the police when they were called because of his violent outbursts. I helped out the nurse that was hiding in his front yard because 15 minutes after taking his psych drugs he became violent and she feared for her life. I spoke with the head nurse who was in charge of the people that would come and care for Roy and she agreed that the psych drugs always preceeded his bad incidents and that he should be taken off them immediately, but of course, neither of us were authorized to do that and the doctor didn't care what was written in the nurses reports. I called CCHR but everything that was being done to Roy was completely legal. I watched my neighbor get killed and I felt helpless to do anything about it. I just want to shout from the rooftops so that everyone knows how deadly this false data is. I want everyone to know that you CAN control your own health. Whatever situation you find yourself in today - body health or mental health - you CAN change it for the better. You don't have to be labelled the rest of your life. Thank you for letting me rant a little. I think I needed that! Kelli Lauren Bastow [lbastow] Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:03 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people Call it morbid curiosity but what happened to this guy? Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Kelli....Holy smokes ! Unfortunately this is not oncommon.And Kelli---you rant on...Mary O - Kelli Bever herbal remedies Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:57 AM RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people Exactly right phrasing of the question! Unfortunately.... Here is the "bullet" version of the last year and a half of Roy Morris' life: - unaddressed emotional issues, put on psych drugs - becomes unable to care for himself, becomes ward of the state - psych drugs changed, dosages changed, personality becomes unrecognizable - violence leads to police visits, weekends in the psych ward - ends up being taken away permanently - died a month ago He was my neighbor and a very good friend for 13 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 I wanted to pop out of my usual lurking mode long enough to tell you I think this analogy is really good! I'm saving it for my notes. KathyJustin Giddings <justin wrote: sorry about your friend. My "HAHAHA" was at the phrasing. I'm actually an actor so I might be a little too attuned to odd things like that. But I totally agree. Our bodies are incredibly powerful and given the right stuff have the ability to heal themselves! I think doctors are good, but preventative medicine is so much stronger. I mean, lets say we never took out our garbage in our houses. It would pile up and there would be rats and germs and all sorts of things. Doctors are often like the exterminators who come into the house and kill the bugs and rats. They address the symptoms. But we have to take the garbage out and if we do, the symptoms will disappear. I feel so strongly about this that I became a distributor for a health and wellness company that uses all herbal and natural products that are scalar enhanced. Because I do not make them, I do think it would be prudent to share anything about the products or the business on the group. But suffice to say that I completely agree and have taken steps to spread that message as well!! Justin Giddings Kelli Bever [kelli]Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:57 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people Exactly right phrasing of the question! Unfortunately.... Here is the "bullet" version of the last year and a half of Roy Morris' life: - unaddressed emotional issues, put on psych drugs - becomes unable to care for himself, becomes ward of the state - psych drugs changed, dosages changed, personality becomes unrecognizable - violence leads to police visits, weekends in the psych ward - ends up being taken away permanently - died a month ago He was my neighbor and a very good friend for 13 years. I know that I come across quite strongly as a pro-nutrition/herb and anti-medico/psych, but I feel that I lived this tragedy with my neighbor and it is scarey to me how quickly the noose tightened down on him. He didn't really have any family that were around to help with this situation. I had numerous conversations with the police when they were called because of his violent outbursts. I helped out the nurse that was hiding in his front yard because 15 minutes after taking his psych drugs he became violent and she feared for her life. I spoke with the head nurse who was in charge of the people that would come and care for Roy and she agreed that the psych drugs always preceeded his bad incidents and that he should be taken off them immediately, but of course, neither of us were authorized to do that and the doctor didn't care what was written in the nurses reports. I called CCHR but everything that was being done to Roy was completely legal. I watched my neighbor get killed and I felt helpless to do anything about it. I just want to shout from the rooftops so that everyone knows how deadly this false data is. I want everyone to know that you CAN control your own health. Whatever situation you find yourself in today - body health or mental health - you CAN change it for the better. You don't have to be labelled the rest of your life. Thank you for letting me rant a little. I think I needed that! Kelli Lauren Bastow [lbastow] Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:03 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people Call it morbid curiosity but what happened to this guy? Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Thanks for the encouragement! JG Katherine Taylor [psalms2go4]Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:33 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people I wanted to pop out of my usual lurking mode long enough to tell you I think this analogy is really good! I'm saving it for my notes. KathyJustin Giddings <justin wrote: sorry about your friend. My "HAHAHA" was at the phrasing. I'm actually an actor so I might be a little too attuned to odd things like that. But I totally agree. Our bodies are incredibly powerful and given the right stuff have the ability to heal themselves! I think doctors are good, but preventative medicine is so much stronger. I mean, lets say we never took out our garbage in our houses. It would pile up and there would be rats and germs and all sorts of things. Doctors are often like the exterminators who come into the house and kill the bugs and rats. They address the symptoms. But we have to take the garbage out and if we do, the symptoms will disappear. I feel so strongly about this that I became a distributor for a health and wellness company that uses all herbal and natural products that are scalar enhanced. Because I do not make them, I do think it would be prudent to share anything about the products or the business on the group. But suffice to say that I completely agree and have taken steps to spread that message as well!! Justin Giddings Kelli Bever [kelli]Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:57 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people Exactly right phrasing of the question! Unfortunately.... Here is the "bullet" version of the last year and a half of Roy Morris' life: - unaddressed emotional issues, put on psych drugs - becomes unable to care for himself, becomes ward of the state - psych drugs changed, dosages changed, personality becomes unrecognizable - violence leads to police visits, weekends in the psych ward - ends up being taken away permanently - died a month ago He was my neighbor and a very good friend for 13 years. I know that I come across quite strongly as a pro-nutrition/herb and anti-medico/psych, but I feel that I lived this tragedy with my neighbor and it is scarey to me how quickly the noose tightened down on him. He didn't really have any family that were around to help with this situation. I had numerous conversations with the police when they were called because of his violent outbursts. I helped out the nurse that was hiding in his front yard because 15 minutes after taking his psych drugs he became violent and she feared for her life. I spoke with the head nurse who was in charge of the people that would come and care for Roy and she agreed that the psych drugs always preceeded his bad incidents and that he should be taken off them immediately, but of course, neither of us were authorized to do that and the doctor didn't care what was written in the nurses reports. I called CCHR but everything that was being done to Roy was completely legal. I watched my neighbor get killed and I felt helpless to do anything about it. I just want to shout from the rooftops so that everyone knows how deadly this false data is. I want everyone to know that you CAN control your own health. Whatever situation you find yourself in today - body health or mental health - you CAN change it for the better. You don't have to be labelled the rest of your life. Thank you for letting me rant a little. I think I needed that! Kelli Lauren Bastow [lbastow] Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:03 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people Call it morbid curiosity but what happened to this guy? Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Hi I am sorry to disagree with you that our bodies can heal themselves. In certain cases, yes, I would agree with you. I was in "Special Forces" and got injured which left me wheelchair bound. I then got, contacted or infected, whatever with Rheumatoid Arthritis and then, believe it or not had a major heart attack (Myocardial Infarction), which resulted in a 5 way heart bypass AND then Osteoporosis. I am now on a multitude of medication. I know I have to take this medication, or I will die, no if's or but's, I HAVE to take medication. Now, as some of you are already aware, my wife has Hepatitis C. Now is this case, we are aware that herbal remedies can indeed help (thank you Kelli), she is taking Silymarin ( or as most people know it as Milk Thistle) and we are looking at a number of other herbal treatments that may help her. I am a Brit (English) and my beautiful wife is an American (a true American, descended from the Cherokee nation), but we do live in the UK (England). My wife and I do indeed believe in herbal medication (she, especially because of her Indian blood). My wife's Grandmother was true blood Cherokee and she knew so much about herbs etc. Unfortunately she dies some time ago (before I met my wife), I just wish I had met her, I am sure I could have learned so much from that dear old lady. So, Justin, I do agree with you in some part that our bodies can heal themselves, but sometimes with help from either herbs or medical treatment, never say never huh!!! Kind regards to all Jeff - Justin Giddings herbal remedies Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:25 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people sorry about your friend. My "HAHAHA" was at the phrasing. I'm actually an actor so I might be a little too attuned to odd things like that. But I totally agree. Our bodies are incredibly powerful and given the right stuff have the ability to heal themselves! I think doctors are good, but preventative medicine is so much stronger. I mean, lets say we never took out our garbage in our houses. It would pile up and there would be rats and germs and all sorts of things. Doctors are often like the exterminators who come into the house and kill the bugs and rats. They address the symptoms. But we have to take the garbage out and if we do, the symptoms will disappear. I feel so strongly about this that I became a distributor for a health and wellness company that uses all herbal and natural products that are scalar enhanced. Because I do not make them, I do think it would be prudent to share anything about the products or the business on the group. But suffice to say that I completely agree and have taken steps to spread that message as well!! Justin Giddings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Jeff- You should call Doc and see what he says. He is extremely knowledgeable in these areas and might show you some ways to help yourself while you are on the meds. From a western medicine point of view, yes you need to be on your meds for the rest of your life. But if you expand your mind you might be able to learn some things. In your case, I would only trust herbal/nutritional info from a naturopathic doctor, like Doc. I don't have the capacity to understand your situation, but I do wish you well. And most importantly, from the bottom of my heart, I thank you for your service in defending our country and our freedom, which sometimes ( with me included) we take for granted. Take care, Rob Jeffrey Sutton [suttjef]Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:22 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people Hi I am sorry to disagree with you that our bodies can heal themselves. In certain cases, yes, I would agree with you. I was in "Special Forces" and got injured which left me wheelchair bound. I then got, contacted or infected, whatever with Rheumatoid Arthritis and then, believe it or not had a major heart attack (Myocardial Infarction), which resulted in a 5 way heart bypass AND then Osteoporosis. I am now on a multitude of medication. I know I have to take this medication, or I will die, no if's or but's, I HAVE to take medication. Now, as some of you are already aware, my wife has Hepatitis C. Now is this case, we are aware that herbal remedies can indeed help (thank you Kelli), she is taking Silymarin ( or as most people know it as Milk Thistle) and we are looking at a number of other herbal treatments that may help her. I am a Brit (English) and my beautiful wife is an American (a true American, descended from the Cherokee nation), but we do live in the UK (England). My wife and I do indeed believe in herbal medication (she, especially because of her Indian blood). My wife's Grandmother was true blood Cherokee and she knew so much about herbs etc. Unfortunately she dies some time ago (before I met my wife), I just wish I had met her, I am sure I could have learned so much from that dear old lady. So, Justin, I do agree with you in some part that our bodies can heal themselves, but sometimes with help from either herbs or medical treatment, never say never huh!!! Kind regards to all Jeff - Justin Giddings herbal remedies Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:25 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people sorry about your friend. My "HAHAHA" was at the phrasing. I'm actually an actor so I might be a little too attuned to odd things like that. But I totally agree. Our bodies are incredibly powerful and given the right stuff have the ability to heal themselves! I think doctors are good, but preventative medicine is so much stronger. I mean, lets say we never took out our garbage in our houses. It would pile up and there would be rats and germs and all sorts of things. Doctors are often like the exterminators who come into the house and kill the bugs and rats. They address the symptoms. But we have to take the garbage out and if we do, the symptoms will disappear. I feel so strongly about this that I became a distributor for a health and wellness company that uses all herbal and natural products that are scalar enhanced. Because I do not make them, I do think it would be prudent to share anything about the products or the business on the group. But suffice to say that I completely agree and have taken steps to spread that message as well!! Justin Giddings Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 >>>>I was in "Special Forces" and got injured which left me wheelchair bound. I then got, contacted or infected, whatever with Rheumatoid Arthritis and then, believe it or not had a major heart attack (Myocardial Infarction), which resulted in a 5 way heart bypass AND then Osteoporosis. I am now on a multitude of medication. <<<<< I would venture to guess that you had a Ton of vaccinations before & during your Special Forces career? That would easily explain your health issues. And YES, your body Can heal itself if you completely detox and give it the right things. I highly suggest calling Doc and getting started on your own path to health. :-) Jan G. SAHM of 8, doula, breastfeeding advocate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Hi Justin, I took no offense at all at your "HAHAHA". I thought the phrasing was ironically appropriate as well. I absolutely LOVE your analogy on the garbage and rats! Hope you don't mind if I use that! Best, Kelli Justin Giddings [justin] Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:26 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people sorry about your friend. My "HAHAHA" was at the phrasing. I'm actually an actor so I might be a little too attuned to odd things like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Thanks Mary! Kelli Ostrowski [Odesign1] Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:16 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people Kelli....Holy smokes ! Unfortunately this is not oncommon.And Kelli---you rant on...Mary O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 of course no problem! Justin Giddings Kelli Bever [kelli]Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:29 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people Hi Justin, I took no offense at all at your "HAHAHA". I thought the phrasing was ironically appropriate as well. I absolutely LOVE your analogy on the garbage and rats! Hope you don't mind if I use that! Best, Kelli Justin Giddings [justin] Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:26 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people sorry about your friend. My "HAHAHA" was at the phrasing. I'm actually an actor so I might be a little too attuned to odd things like that. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Oh I agree! I was trying to express though that our bodies can heal themselves when properly dealt with. Given natural substances and proper nutrition, our body is powerful enough to repair itself (most of the time). Now If I get in a car wreck and break a bone, eating apples ain't gonna fix me. But perhaps I can avoid an infection from the break by keeping my body supplied with what it needs. Your an army guy; the front may be strong, but if the supply trucks break down, there's only going to be so long before the battle will be won by the enemy regardless of the strength of our forces. There are circumstances where no amount of herbs or doctors are going to do anything. Sometimes the body just isn't equipped to deal with things. But the goal of preventative medicine - especially with herbal/natural means - is to help decrease those circumstances. There are some amazing natural products out there. I do not ever reference anything on this list unless I have personally made it to honor the stipulations set forth for this list. If you wish to contact me, please do so privately. In any case, any questions of herbs etc can surely be answered by the members of this group! Peace and Health JG Jeffrey Sutton [suttjef]Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:22 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people Hi I am sorry to disagree with you that our bodies can heal themselves. In certain cases, yes, I would agree with you. I was in "Special Forces" and got injured which left me wheelchair bound. I then got, contacted or infected, whatever with Rheumatoid Arthritis and then, believe it or not had a major heart attack (Myocardial Infarction), which resulted in a 5 way heart bypass AND then Osteoporosis. I am now on a multitude of medication. I know I have to take this medication, or I will die, no if's or but's, I HAVE to take medication. Now, as some of you are already aware, my wife has Hepatitis C. Now is this case, we are aware that herbal remedies can indeed help (thank you Kelli), she is taking Silymarin ( or as most people know it as Milk Thistle) and we are looking at a number of other herbal treatments that may help her. I am a Brit (English) and my beautiful wife is an American (a true American, descended from the Cherokee nation), but we do live in the UK (England). My wife and I do indeed believe in herbal medication (she, especially because of her Indian blood). My wife's Grandmother was true blood Cherokee and she knew so much about herbs etc. Unfortunately she dies some time ago (before I met my wife), I just wish I had met her, I am sure I could have learned so much from that dear old lady. So, Justin, I do agree with you in some part that our bodies can heal themselves, but sometimes with help from either herbs or medical treatment, never say never huh!!! Kind regards to all Jeff - Justin Giddings herbal remedies Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:25 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people sorry about your friend. My "HAHAHA" was at the phrasing. I'm actually an actor so I might be a little too attuned to odd things like that. But I totally agree. Our bodies are incredibly powerful and given the right stuff have the ability to heal themselves! I think doctors are good, but preventative medicine is so much stronger. I mean, lets say we never took out our garbage in our houses. It would pile up and there would be rats and germs and all sorts of things. Doctors are often like the exterminators who come into the house and kill the bugs and rats. They address the symptoms. But we have to take the garbage out and if we do, the symptoms will disappear. I feel so strongly about this that I became a distributor for a health and wellness company that uses all herbal and natural products that are scalar enhanced. Because I do not make them, I do think it would be prudent to share anything about the products or the business on the group. But suffice to say that I completely agree and have taken steps to spread that message as well!! Justin Giddings Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. 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Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Hi Jeff While my situation is certainly different from yours, there are parallels. Like I mentioned in previous posts, I have a LONG history of depression, and the western medical doctors told me there was " no cure for depression, only treatment " and that I " would need to be on meds for the rest of my life " . Well, I HAVE beaten depression. For good. And it didn't just happen by itself. When I stopped introducing toxins into my body, my body was able to repair itself and heal itself. And I did what medical doctors with umpteen years of training told me was impossible. (So you're right: never say never!) And I don't even have my Associates of Science degree yet! That was two years ago. I'm still successful today. I've never looked back. Don't always believe everything you hear from people who make billions of dollars off of keeping us dependent on them like rats in a cage! While every situation is different, there usually IS another way, and most ailments CAN be beaten. And it's usually cheaper, healthier, and with MUCH fewer side-effects. And usually, natural remedies take care of other ailments, too--often, ailments we don't even notice are there until they start clearing up. Just offering some hope. Warmly, --Jen PS: Did y'all know that you can be exposed to AIDS and NOT contract it? It all depends on your immune system and your body's ability to fight for itself. That's right, heal itself. Heal=fight. Same systems do both. > > Jeffrey Sutton [suttjef@n...] > Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:22 AM > herbal remedies > Re: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people > > > Hi > I am sorry to disagree with you that our bodies can heal themselves. In > certain cases, yes, I would agree with you. > I was in " Special Forces " and got injured which left me wheelchair bound. > I then got, contacted or infected, whatever with Rheumatoid Arthritis and > then, believe it or not had a major heart attack (Myocardial Infarction), > which resulted in a 5 way heart bypass AND then Osteoporosis. I am now on a > multitude of medication. I know I have to take this medication, or I will > die, no if's or but's, I HAVE to take medication. > Now, as some of you are already aware, my wife has Hepatitis C. Now is > this case, we are aware that herbal remedies can indeed help (thank you > Kelli), she is taking Silymarin ( or as most people know it as Milk Thistle) > and we are looking at a number of other herbal treatments that may help her. > I am a Brit (English) and my beautiful wife is an American (a true > American, descended from the Cherokee nation), but we do live in the UK > (England). > My wife and I do indeed believe in herbal medication (she, especially > because of her Indian blood). My wife's Grandmother was true blood Cherokee > and she knew so much about herbs etc. Unfortunately she dies some time ago > (before I met my wife), I just wish I had met her, I am sure I could have > learned so much from that dear old lady. > So, Justin, I do agree with you in some part that our bodies can heal > themselves, but sometimes with help from either herbs or medical treatment, > never say never huh!!! > Kind regards to all > Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Hugs Jen.. I am also a depression (medicated by doctors and labeled forever) survivor and couldnt feel better about it ) Huggers Deana Brown Frugal Family Mom of 4 (3 boys, 1 Girl - Bless her Heart and make her strong!) Wife, Friend, Mentor, Homeschooler, and all the other wonderful jobs that women today posess at home. supervixen08 wrote: > Hi Jeff > While my situation is certainly different from yours, there are > parallels. Like I mentioned in previous posts, I have a LONG history > of depression, and the western medical doctors told me there was " no > cure for depression, only treatment " and that I " would need to be on > meds for the rest of my life " . Well, I HAVE beaten depression. For > good. And it didn't just happen by itself. When I stopped introducing > toxins into my body, my body was able to repair itself and heal > itself. And I did what medical doctors with umpteen years of training > told me was impossible. (So you're right: never say never!) And I > don't even have my Associates of Science degree yet! That was two > years ago. I'm still successful today. I've never looked back. Don't > always believe everything you hear from people who make billions of > dollars off of keeping us dependent on them like rats in a cage! While > every situation is different, there usually IS another way, and most > ailments CAN be beaten. And it's usually cheaper, healthier, and with > MUCH fewer side-effects. And usually, natural remedies take care of > other ailments, too--often, ailments we don't even notice are there > until they start clearing up. > > Just offering some hope. > Warmly, > --Jen > > PS: Did y'all know that you can be exposed to AIDS and NOT contract > it? It all depends on your immune system and your body's ability to > fight for itself. That's right, heal itself. Heal=fight. Same systems > do both. > > > > > Jeffrey Sutton [suttjef@n...] > > Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:22 AM > > herbal remedies > > Re: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people > > > > > > Hi > > I am sorry to disagree with you that our bodies can heal > themselves. In > > certain cases, yes, I would agree with you. > > I was in " Special Forces " and got injured which left me wheelchair > bound. > > I then got, contacted or infected, whatever with Rheumatoid > Arthritis and > > then, believe it or not had a major heart attack (Myocardial > Infarction), > > which resulted in a 5 way heart bypass AND then Osteoporosis. I am > now on a > > multitude of medication. I know I have to take this medication, or I > will > > die, no if's or but's, I HAVE to take medication. > > Now, as some of you are already aware, my wife has Hepatitis C. Now is > > this case, we are aware that herbal remedies can indeed help (thank you > > Kelli), she is taking Silymarin ( or as most people know it as Milk > Thistle) > > and we are looking at a number of other herbal treatments that may > help her. > > I am a Brit (English) and my beautiful wife is an American (a true > > American, descended from the Cherokee nation), but we do live in the UK > > (England). > > My wife and I do indeed believe in herbal medication (she, especially > > because of her Indian blood). My wife's Grandmother was true blood > Cherokee > > and she knew so much about herbs etc. Unfortunately she dies some > time ago > > (before I met my wife), I just wish I had met her, I am sure I could > have > > learned so much from that dear old lady. > > So, Justin, I do agree with you in some part that our bodies can heal > > themselves, but sometimes with help from either herbs or medical > treatment, > > never say never huh!!! > > Kind regards to all > > Jeff > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician > and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as > long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any > person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products > from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and > members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Hi Rob I must apologise for not answering your mail sooner. I do indeed take your point about herbal medication and have also contacted "Doc". I cannot totally trust or maybe I should say use herbal medication totally. it is just not possible for my conditions. I accept your thanks gracefully, however, it was my job and my decision, also to accept any side effect that may have happened to me (and it did, unfortunately). Anyway, it was my own fault in not looking where I was going, I should have seen the anti personnel mine before it blew half my leg away. As for the bullet wounds, they were from a sniper, and nobody could have foreseen that!!!. I wrote a little ditty some time ago: Fear knocked at the door, Faith answered it, Nobody was there!. Kind regards to all Jeff - Rob Combis herbal remedies Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:03 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people Jeff- You should call Doc and see what he says. He is extremely knowledgeable in these areas and might show you some ways to help yourself while you are on the meds. From a western medicine point of view, yes you need to be on your meds for the rest of your life. But if you expand your mind you might be able to learn some things. In your case, I would only trust herbal/nutritional info from a naturopathic doctor, like Doc. I don't have the capacity to understand your situation, but I do wish you well. And most importantly, from the bottom of my heart, I thank you for your service in defending our country and our freedom, which sometimes ( with me included) we take for granted. Take care, Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Hi Jan I certainly could not disagree with you with ref. to vaccinations. Unfortunately as a soldier, that is one of the things that we have to put up with. I would rather have the side effects of the vaccines that caught a dose of Anthrax or some other nasty!!!. I have indeed been in touch with "Doc" and am now awaiting his reply. Thank you for your concern, it is much appreciated. Kind regards Jeff - Jan Gonzalez herbal remedies Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:29 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people >>>>I was in "Special Forces" and got injured which left me wheelchair bound. I then got, contacted or infected, whatever with Rheumatoid Arthritis and then, believe it or not had a major heart attack (Myocardial Infarction), which resulted in a 5 way heart bypass AND then Osteoporosis. I am now on a multitude of medication. <<<<< I would venture to guess that you had a Ton of vaccinations before & during your Special Forces career? That would easily explain your health issues. And YES, your body Can heal itself if you completely detox and give it the right things. I highly suggest calling Doc and getting started on your own path to health. :-) Jan G. SAHM of 8, doula, breastfeeding advocate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Hi Jef Thank you for your kind email. Although I am now pushing 62, I can say that I have never suffered depression, I guess it is because of my training. However, my dear wife suffers terribly because of her HEPC, also, bless her heart, she suffers terrible energy loss. Hepatitis C is still being scientifically studied, although at this time there is no cure. She has been put forward for treatment with Ribavirin and Pegalated Interferon (up to 12 months waiting list). We are still studying what herbs could help her without effecting her liver. She is taking Sylimarin (Milk Thistle) at the moment, but as I have said we are still studying other herbs that may help her. The treatment my wife has been put foreword for has, in my and other's opinion, terrible side effects. At this moment in time, I really do not wish to go into details of these side effects, just to say that, they are very unpleasant.. Both my wife and indeed myself wish you a rapid recovery, in what must have been hell on earth for you. With kind regards Jeff & Cerese - supervixen08 herbal remedies Friday, September 17, 2004 3:03 AM Re: Herbal Remedies - touching stories and strong people Hi Jeff :)While my situation is certainly different from yours, there areparallels. Like I mentioned in previous posts, I have a LONG historyof depression, and the western medical doctors told me there was "nocure for depression, only treatment" and that I "would need to be onmeds for the rest of my life". Well, I HAVE beaten depression. Forgood. And it didn't just happen by itself. When I stopped introducingtoxins into my body, my body was able to repair itself and healitself. And I did what medical doctors with umpteen years of trainingtold me was impossible. (So you're right: never say never!) And Idon't even have my Associates of Science degree yet! That was twoyears ago. I'm still successful today. I've never looked back. Don'talways believe everything you hear from people who make billions ofdollars off of keeping us dependent on them like rats in a cage! Whileevery situation is different, there usually IS another way, and mostailments CAN be beaten. And it's usually cheaper, healthier, and withMUCH fewer side-effects. And usually, natural remedies take care ofother ailments, too--often, ailments we don't even notice are thereuntil they start clearing up.Just offering some hope. :)Warmly,--JenPS: Did y'all know that you can be exposed to AIDS and NOT contractit? It all depends on your immune system and your body's ability tofight for itself. That's right, heal itself. Heal=fight. Same systemsdo both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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