Herbs for Animals

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, " Jimmy Symmonds " <

jimmy@h...> wrote:

 

> Other than Phil, are there any other vets on the list or any other

> practitioners with experience treating animals? Perhaps you

could reply to

> me privately, it is nice to know what others are doing and

having success

> with. For instance it seems the effective dose required in

horses may be as

> little as 1/10 of that in dogs (per kg).

>

 

Please continue any veterinary discussion online. Many L.Ac.

consult with vets and we have a new Vet Acu club at PCOM, plus

most of us have pets.

 

Interesting about the dosage. could this be because ruminants

digest plant material so superiorly to a carnivore like a dog or

even a human.

 

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I do use Chinese herbs for my horses, under the guidance of a TCM vet

(who has been practicing TCM for 20+ years). My horses are about 1200

pounds each and a single dose is up to 2 teaspoons once daily of a

powdered herb (not extract) formula for a chronic condition. Todd's

supposition is in line with my vet's response when I asked her about

such a small dosage. Her reply: horses are natural herbalists and

their bodies are much more effective at utilizing the properties of

herbs. Horses also tend to be much more sensitive in general. I have

seen first hand how horses can react to some blood invigorating herbs

(for e.g.) -- too much (and I'm still talking small amounts compared

to human dosage) can really send them over the edge and make them

very high and edgey and dangerous to handle.

 

Joy

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Arsenicum album homopathic.

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> --- " " < wrote:

>

> Please continue any veterinary discussion online. Many L.Ac.

> consult with vets and we have a new Vet Acu club at PCOM, plus

> most of us have pets.

>

 

I'm interested in finding out which herbs might be safe choices for a Diabetic

cat with severe anxiety. My details are sketchy, unfortunately, because I am

getting the information second-hand from the owner who lives out of town. The

cat is a 13-year-old male who receives

insulin injections twice daily. He has had chronic diarrhea for one month and

displays signs of extreme anxiety. The etiology is unclear, though major

lifestyle changes in the home may have caused the anxious behavior. No changes

in diet or feeding routines preceeded the

diarrhea. The vet recommends progesterone therapy for the anxiety, although

there are concerns that the hormones could exacerbate the diabetes symptoms.

 

Any ideas from the CHA think tank?

 

--Laurie Burton

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, T & L <tgperez@e...> wrote:

>

He has had chronic diarrhea for one month and displays signs

of extreme anxiety.

 

 

Laurie

 

My cats both respond well to Valerian, which I have heard is

generally true for cats. Valerian was historically used to treat a

variety of digestive disorders. Personally, I think it has a qi

regulating, damp transforming effect in addition to spirit calming.

It is quite aromatic. I don't know its effects on blood sugar, but I

have never heard it to be contraindicated in diabetes.

 

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, " jmk6142000 " <

Joy.Keller@c...> wrote:

Her reply: horses are natural herbalists and

> their bodies are much more effective at utilizing the properties

of

> herbs.

 

 

I assume you meant herbivores. :-) It is intriguing that despite

their great body weight, they would need less herbs. How are

drugs dosed for horses? Before we get too carried away here,

let's remember that china does have a tradition of caring for

horses. As we have discussed with regard to humans,

anecdotal experiences can be very biased. I would be curious

what the chinese actually have to say on this matter. It is

distinctly possible that adverse reactions to seemingly small

amounts of herbs are because the patient was misdiagnosed.

While dose ranges no doubt vary between species, it is too early

to make any generalizations.

 

In fact, the only " classical " source I have on the subject, by Hsu

ta-chun (ca. 1757), suggests that horses, like all animals, need

larger doses than humans, because their qi is unrefined and

blood turbid. the fact that they eat grass is significant as one

may need to use herbs to treat " grass stagnation " . but this is not

noted as a factor in dosage.

 

[Guest guest]

Laurie, Have you tried Rescue Remedy, (Bach flower remedies). Great for treating anxiety in dogs and cats, 4-8 drops in a small bowl of water. Most health food stores carry it. I am not aware of any contraindications with diabetes. Doug

 

>T & L

> > > Re: Herbs for animals >Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:58:05 -0700 > > > > > --- "" wrote: > > > > Please continue any veterinary discussion online. Many L.Ac. > > consult with vets and we have a new Vet Acu club at PCOM, plus > > most of us have pets. > > > >I'm interested in finding out which herbs might be safe choices for a Diabetic cat with severe anxiety. My details are sketchy, unfortunately, because I am getting the information second-hand from the owner who lives out of town. The cat is a 13-year-old male who receives >insulin injections twice daily. He has had chronic diarrhea for one month and displays signs of extreme anxiety. The etiology is unclear, though major lifestyle changes in the home may have caused the anxious behavior. No changes in diet or feeding routines preceeded the >diarrhea. The vet recommends progesterone therapy for the anxiety, although there are concerns that the hormones could exacerbate the diabetes symptoms. > >Any ideas from the CHA think tank? > >--Laurie Burton > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here

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>

> , " " < wrote:

 

> My cats both respond well to Valerian....

 

> I think it has a qi regulating, damp transforming

 

> effect in addition to spirit calming.

 

Happy to report the Valerian has already had a positive effect. In two days,

the anxiety is almost nil, urinary frequency has decreased to a level of normal

output and diarrhea has also decreased. Hopefully, the long term effects will

be equally positive.

 

--Laurie Burton

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Here I am again folks:

 

I was reading the " ear wash for dogs " post and thinking...does anyone

have a lot of experience with herbs for animals?

 

There is a cat that wanders into our yard from next door, who

according to the owner, has a stomach problem and has already had 2

operations on it. He's a fantastic and loveable lap cat (a havana

brown siamese..gorgeous) but is extremely thin, has obvious

teeth/mouth issues and I'm not sure he's being taken care of to the

fullest.

 

I was talking to my family the other day and they wondered if I could

help the cat at all while it was at our home.

 

Thoughts and ideas are welcome!

 

Thanks!

 

Sarah Anne