Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Lauren, You make a very good point. Your first sentence especially lets me know that you think very much for yourself, as I do, and I admire that! I'd like to know your story too. It'd be interesting to learn about how someone else " did it " . Maybe your story will be more accessible to someone just starting out than mine. Thanks! --Jen herbal remedies , " Lauren Bastow " <lbastow@s...> wrote: > So just to be clear you are saying " I wish someone would violate my > civil rights and invade my privacy so that I can get some mind altering > poison for free " ? I have also crawled out from under massive depression > and even psychosis WITHOUT medication. I know that the medication can > make it seem like you are in a better place but in reality you are not > dealing with your problems that got you there in the 1st place. If you > want the whole grueling story I can email it to you off list or if there > is anybody else out there that wants it, I will put it on list. It's not > about meds, it's about dealing with life's crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 yes, I'd be interested in your story as well. It is always an inspiration for me to hear how others came out of depression - without traditional drugs. It reafifirms that I am not the only one. Tammi - supervixen08 herbal remedies Monday, September 13, 2004 8:44 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - VITAL ...Lauren Lauren,You make a very good point. Your first sentence especially lets meknow that you think very much for yourself, as I do, and I admirethat! I'd like to know your story too. It'd be interesting to learnabout how someone else "did it". Maybe your story will be moreaccessible to someone just starting out than mine. :)Thanks!--Jenherbal remedies , "Lauren Bastow" <lbastow@s...>wrote:> So just to be clear you are saying "I wish someone would violate my> civil rights and invade my privacy so that I can get some mind altering> poison for free"? I have also crawled out from under massive depression> and even psychosis WITHOUT medication. I know that the medication can> make it seem like you are in a better place but in reality you are not> dealing with your problems that got you there in the 1st place. If you> want the whole grueling story I can email it to you off list or if there> is anybody else out there that wants it, I will put it on list. It's not> about meds, it's about dealing with life's crap.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Ok, here is the saga. After the birth of our first kid (3yrs 1mon ago) a really bumpy road sent me into depression. I didn't know this until about 3 months ago but normal people don't think about suicide every day. The only thing that kept me from offing myself was the whole eternal damnation thing (religious belief). Soon there after when my kid was about 3 months old, I started having auditory hallucinations. Whenever I couldn't hear my kid (I.e. in the shower, running all the way downstairs to get something, when the toilet flushed, ect.) I would hear the baby screaming, phone ringing, people calling my name. This is what is known as PPP (Post Partum Psychosis). Now I didn't know that this was not normal. My child cried more than normal, and it's not that I was a new mom and I wasn't used to this; my Mom was living with me at the time and she has had 8 children (one set of twins) and she thought something was wrong. After 5 months we determined that my kid didn't have colic like everyone said but that he was starving, I was not producing enough milk. The only time he got full was when I pumped him so full of meds that it actually filled up his little belly. I was using both allopathic and naturopathic meds. When I did pump out breast milk (pre-surgery) and froze it, when it was thawed it was green despite being frozen immediately after being pumped. Upon switching to a goat milk formula at months he developed chronic constipation and it plagues him to this day. Then after noticing that we was not learning any mobility on his own (rolling over, sitting up, crawling) we came to the conclusion that he was brain injured which was re-affirmed by a neurodevelopment specialist many months later. By using physical therapy we were able to correct the problems but they came back last November due to a skull fracture. We are currently working to fix the problems again. While he was starving (2 to 5 months) he would wake up 3-7 times a night. It got to the point that I literally couldn't read. I didn't know that numbers on the clock meant. After the birth of our 2nd child (1st child being 22 months old) Everyone told me that it couldn't possible be that bad again. She wasn't brain injured but at 2 months (when she started starving, like the 1st one) we switched to an organic formula and she had the same constipation problems as our 1st one. This was the one hope I was clinging to that kept me going, that the new baby wouldn't need midnight enemas, manual disimpaction and routine meds. Now that this was gone I started lashing out at my husband. I resented him for being able to go to work and get away from everything, for having adult conversation and for being able to leave his job at the end of the day. Now mind you, he was nothing but helpful and supportive. I am so against day care (personal belief) that me going to work was not an option, and that would just have been running away from the problem. After screaming at the kids for pulling the cushions off the couches (not a bid deal) my husband got us both into counseling through LDS Social Services. Now the difference between this avenue and traditional counseling is that it is gospel based. Meds (anti-depressants) are not ever mentioned and it's all about finding out what the root of the problem is and addressing that. There are also many good talks (sermons I think most people call them) from our General Authorities on depression and how to crawl out from under it. For anybody that is interested they can be found at http://www.providentliving.org/ses/media/articles/0,11275,2875-1---51,00.html I know that the posting of religious material may be against list policy but I think it falls under the "Have tried it yourself" policy for recommending it to others. You don't have to be LDS for the principals to apply, just willing to help yourself. Well things were going well for many months after that until about 3 months ago. My ribs started to crack again from pregnancy (as it did with my first two children) and all the memories of midnight nursing with size E boobs, digging out poop from tiny babies colons, sleep deprivation, being a shut in, not being able to work, the house always being dirty, came back and I couldn't handle the prospect of going back to that and I broke. Started yelling " No, no, no, no, no no" . It sounded like the stuff you would hear in the loony bin. Literally couldn't get up off the couch, my 3 year old kept coming up to me and asking "Mama, do you feel happy now?" I couldn't even answer him, I was so dead. All I could see was my imminent torture (childbirth) and prolonged imprisonment afterwards. So back to the counselor my hubby dragged me, in fact I have an appointment tomorrow. For the birth of our 3rd child we are doing the hospital bit complete with pain medication. With the 1st it was water birth at a birth center (another traumatic experience), for the 2nd it was supposed to be at a birth center but due to mental baggage from the 1st birth experience and ended up inducing and then getting the epidural. So rather than suffer useless mental baggage we decided to use the meds. I still believe that natural birth is a superior method of childbirth and I'm not one of those people that say "it's just not for me" but the fear of it keeps me from going into labor so, that's that. So that's my story. I will post some talks that helped me in particular and hope I don't get banned. Hope this helps someone out there. Lauren supervixen08 [supervixen08] Monday, September 13, 2004 5:45 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - VITAL ...LaurenLauren,You make a very good point. Your first sentence especially lets meknow that you think very much for yourself, as I do, and I admirethat! I'd like to know your story too. It'd be interesting to learnabout how someone else "did it". Maybe your story will be moreaccessible to someone just starting out than mine. :)Thanks!--Jenherbal remedies , "Lauren Bastow" <lbastow@s...>wrote:> So just to be clear you are saying "I wish someone would violate my> civil rights and invade my privacy so that I can get some mind altering> poison for free"? I have also crawled out from under massive depression> and even psychosis WITHOUT medication. I know that the medication can> make it seem like you are in a better place but in reality you are not> dealing with your problems that got you there in the 1st place. If you> want the whole grueling story I can email it to you off list or if there> is anybody else out there that wants it, I will put it on list. It's not> about meds, it's about dealing with life's crap.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release 9/10/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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