DOC N.D. schools: was - School of Natural Healing

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Hey Doc,

Thanks for the info. I had become quite bummed because here I am in KY with a husband who won't move anywhere. Indiana is so close to me and now I think it will be easier for me to reach my goals. He won't mind moving to INdy for a little while.

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Elizabeth Elliott

 

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Julie Hensley

herbal remedies

Monday, September 13, 2004 12:29 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - DOC & Elizabeth - N.D. schools: was - School of Natural Healing

 

Wow Doc,

 

I have to admit, I've followed this thread with as much interest as any I've seen on the list as my goals included pursuing more of a degree...

 

I should have known that the answer wouldn't be simple. How outrageous that the programs that are "true" to the science of Naturopathy have little acceptance and those that have sold out are. On the other hand, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but if for this reason alone, I am thankful for this list. Otherwise it would be relatively easy to be influenced by the "credibility" associated with the schools like Bastyr.

 

Thanks again!

 

Julie

 

-

Doc Shillington

herbal remedies

Monday, September 13, 2004 12:10 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - DOC & Elizabeth - N.D. schools: was - School of Natural Healing

 

Dear Tammi,

 

Your questions are not inappropriate for HR and are welcomed.

 

Since Bastyr is the one making the most noise, I'll focus on it, though I believe there are 4 others that fall into the same category.

 

Bastyr is trying to get a monopoly on the practice of Naturopathy. Their prices are outrageous and they are trying to set themselves (and the other four) as being the only accredited schools to get an ND degree. They have been infiltrated by the giant pharmaceuticals and do use minor drugs and minor surgery procedures. Over the last couple of years they have had some success in getting legislation passed in a few states where their students have licensure and can get malpractice insurance, etc. All the other Naturopathic colleges have been ostracized from these states and there is currently a battle happening in New Mexico and in Florida between TRUE Naturopaths and the Bastyr Naturopathic Medical Doctor Wannabees. So far Bastyr has lost in these areanas, but there is big bucks behind them and they may eventually win since most Naturopaths are somewhat apolitical and just want to be left alone to do their own thing. Even though I know little about her, Mariah McCain of Herbal Healer Academy fame and who I understand has a good school has been attacked by Bastyr's henchmen and she has not asked for help. I sent her an email offering to let her use Herbal Remedies to spring board her counter attack and heard nothing back from her on it. My opinion is that most Naturopaths are somewhat anarchistic in nature since they propose and promulgate individual responsibility and this strong individualism may end up being the death of us. We do need to come together on this to fight back.

 

My almer mater is Trinity College in Indiana where I got my degree, and I do recommend them, however, my number one recommendation is Dr. John Christopher's School of Natural Healing in Utah. It does not offer an ND degree but it does offer an MH (Master Herbalist) degree which I feel is worth more than any ND degree out there at this time. Ole Doc Christopher was the greatest herbalist of the 20th Century and his work was never influenced or infiltrated by the Giant Pharmaceuticals or the AMA or APA or anyone else. His work remains mostly free of any slant or pitch. Trinity is good though and a little cheaper. I was once accused of just going to Trinity because it was a diploma mill and there is no truth to that at all. If you go the Trinity route, you'll work your buns off. The final step to getting your degree with them is a 45 page 7,000 word Thesis. If you can't confront that, then don't even try. Doc Christopher's courses are more comprehensive and all inclusive plus the focus is on herbs. Doing both would be the ultimate. :-)

 

If your goals have to do with acceptance, status, licensure, being part of the main stream, and being part of the "club" with old school tie and all, then pay the 60 Grand and go to Bastyr. You might not help many people but you'll sure be accepted.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-447-5282Doc

 

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tammi

herbal remedies

Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:46 PM

Herbal Remedies - DOC & Elizabeth - N.D. schools: was - School of Natural Healing

 

Elizabeth, I feel the same way. To my knowledge there are only three accredited schools in the USA. One is in Washington the other two are in Oregon and Arizona. This is the link to the information that I have http://www.cnme.org/ (scroll down to the bottom Links and FAQ's are what you want to check out - Bastyr and the one in Tempe AZ are the ones that I am considering. I want to be a N.D. specializing in Lactation (maybe even midwifery) - Don't even try to look it up!! I'm more or less considering combining the two "professions" ! I'm not even sure if there is such a professional out there. I do volunteer work with a National Volunteer Organization for Breastfeeding Mothers (I'm not sure if I can say there name since, I'm affiliated with them - so I'm trying to be a good little girl and not get TOASTED!), and lately there's been a HUGE jump in women wanting to handle some of the more complicated problems "naturally".

 

Doc, is my information correct? The next question I have is is there a difference between being a Naturopath and being a Naturapathic Doctor or Physician - Do both hold a Doctor of Naturopathy degree? It is my current understanding that a naturopath my have training, but not be eligible for licensure and does not have the same level of medical training, and that the Naturopathic Doctor of Physcian goes through the same pre-medical training as an M.D.

 

If the second question is something I should have sent privately then just e-mail me off-list.

 

Tammi

-

 

Elizabeth Elliott

herbal remedies

Monday, September 06, 2004 8:11 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - School of Natural Healing

 

I had heard that Clayton's programs weren't that good. I would like to get more info on this from Doc. because the only school that I have ever hear d of as being accredited is BAstyr University in Seattle, which would cost me about $80000 to get the ND .

I want to be able to use it and if there is ever a time where they get more strict on this stuff, I want to be accredited or recognized by whomever.

 

Elizabeth

 

-

chele

herbal remedies

Monday, September 06, 2004 4:43 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - School of Natural Healing

 

 

Hi Elizabeth,

 

Right now I'm scouting out different courses. I'm real confused though because there are many courses out there but I want something that fits me.

I really love the Claytons courses but they are too expensive.

 

I spoke w/ Dr. Peske two years ago at a trade conference & he introduced me to Dr. C's courses but at the time, I had too much on my plate & couldn't take on anything else. (I don't think he's still affiliated w/ Dr. C though - ??)

 

I've checked out HHA. I bought the first course because I wanted to see what it was like. It's too political, & she rants & raves way too much. Too much drama for me.

 

Here's my dilemma. The State of NY does not acknowledge a ND degree. In order to practice any type of alternative therapies, you must have a recognized license such as a Massage Therapist or above or it is illegal to even touch a person with the intent of giving alternative treatment.

So do I spend close to $10,000+ for the Clayton courses & not be able to use it?

 

My back ground is in this field of alternative health. I own my own health food business.

It's my hearts desire to open a center for alternative treatments & along w/ other care givers be able to help people regain their health but if I can't further my business w/ this new knowledge I obtain then I can't validate spending this kind of money just to keep the info. to myself.

 

MicheleFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Do all these programs require physical presence? When I looked at the program for Doc Christopher it seems to be online with the exception of a 6 day visit to Utah at the very end.

 

Julie

 

-

Elizabeth Elliott

herbal remedies

Monday, September 13, 2004 1:19 PM

Herbal Remedies - DOC N.D. schools: was - School of Natural Healing

 

Hey Doc,

Thanks for the info. I had become quite bummed because here I am in KY with a husband who won't move anywhere. Indiana is so close to me and now I think it will be easier for me to reach my goals. He won't mind moving to INdy for a little while.

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Elizabeth Elliott

 

-

Julie Hensley

herbal remedies

Monday, September 13, 2004 12:29 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - DOC & Elizabeth - N.D. schools: was - School of Natural Healing

 

Wow Doc,

 

I have to admit, I've followed this thread with as much interest as any I've seen on the list as my goals included pursuing more of a degree...

 

I should have known that the answer wouldn't be simple. How outrageous that the programs that are "true" to the science of Naturopathy have little acceptance and those that have sold out are. On the other hand, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but if for this reason alone, I am thankful for this list. Otherwise it would be relatively easy to be influenced by the "credibility" associated with the schools like Bastyr.

 

Thanks again!

 

Julie

 

-

Doc Shillington

herbal remedies

Monday, September 13, 2004 12:10 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - DOC & Elizabeth - N.D. schools: was - School of Natural Healing

 

Dear Tammi,

 

Your questions are not inappropriate for HR and are welcomed.

 

Since Bastyr is the one making the most noise, I'll focus on it, though I believe there are 4 others that fall into the same category.

 

Bastyr is trying to get a monopoly on the practice of Naturopathy. Their prices are outrageous and they are trying to set themselves (and the other four) as being the only accredited schools to get an ND degree. They have been infiltrated by the giant pharmaceuticals and do use minor drugs and minor surgery procedures. Over the last couple of years they have had some success in getting legislation passed in a few states where their students have licensure and can get malpractice insurance, etc. All the other Naturopathic colleges have been ostracized from these states and there is currently a battle happening in New Mexico and in Florida between TRUE Naturopaths and the Bastyr Naturopathic Medical Doctor Wannabees. So far Bastyr has lost in these areanas, but there is big bucks behind them and they may eventually win since most Naturopaths are somewhat apolitical and just want to be left alone to do their own thing. Even though I know little about her, Mariah McCain of Herbal Healer Academy fame and who I understand has a good school has been attacked by Bastyr's henchmen and she has not asked for help. I sent her an email offering to let her use Herbal Remedies to spring board her counter attack and heard nothing back from her on it. My opinion is that most Naturopaths are somewhat anarchistic in nature since they propose and promulgate individual responsibility and this strong individualism may end up being the death of us. We do need to come together on this to fight back.

 

My almer mater is Trinity College in Indiana where I got my degree, and I do recommend them, however, my number one recommendation is Dr. John Christopher's School of Natural Healing in Utah. It does not offer an ND degree but it does offer an MH (Master Herbalist) degree which I feel is worth more than any ND degree out there at this time. Ole Doc Christopher was the greatest herbalist of the 20th Century and his work was never influenced or infiltrated by the Giant Pharmaceuticals or the AMA or APA or anyone else. His work remains mostly free of any slant or pitch. Trinity is good though and a little cheaper. I was once accused of just going to Trinity because it was a diploma mill and there is no truth to that at all. If you go the Trinity route, you'll work your buns off. The final step to getting your degree with them is a 45 page 7,000 word Thesis. If you can't confront that, then don't even try. Doc Christopher's courses are more comprehensive and all inclusive plus the focus is on herbs. Doing both would be the ultimate. :-)

 

If your goals have to do with acceptance, status, licensure, being part of the main stream, and being part of the "club" with old school tie and all, then pay the 60 Grand and go to Bastyr. You might not help many people but you'll sure be accepted.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-447-5282Doc

 

-

tammi

herbal remedies

Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:46 PM

Herbal Remedies - DOC & Elizabeth - N.D. schools: was - School of Natural Healing

 

Elizabeth, I feel the same way. To my knowledge there are only three accredited schools in the USA. One is in Washington the other two are in Oregon and Arizona. This is the link to the information that I have http://www.cnme.org/ (scroll down to the bottom Links and FAQ's are what you want to check out - Bastyr and the one in Tempe AZ are the ones that I am considering. I want to be a N.D. specializing in Lactation (maybe even midwifery) - Don't even try to look it up!! I'm more or less considering combining the two "professions" ! I'm not even sure if there is such a professional out there. I do volunteer work with a National Volunteer Organization for Breastfeeding Mothers (I'm not sure if I can say there name since, I'm affiliated with them - so I'm trying to be a good little girl and not get TOASTED!), and lately there's been a HUGE jump in women wanting to handle some of the more complicated problems "naturally".

 

Doc, is my information correct? The next question I have is is there a difference between being a Naturopath and being a Naturapathic Doctor or Physician - Do both hold a Doctor of Naturopathy degree? It is my current understanding that a naturopath my have training, but not be eligible for licensure and does not have the same level of medical training, and that the Naturopathic Doctor of Physcian goes through the same pre-medical training as an M.D.

 

If the second question is something I should have sent privately then just e-mail me off-list.

 

Tammi

-

 

Elizabeth Elliott

herbal remedies

Monday, September 06, 2004 8:11 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - School of Natural Healing

 

I had heard that Clayton's programs weren't that good. I would like to get more info on this from Doc. because the only school that I have ever hear d of as being accredited is BAstyr University in Seattle, which would cost me about $80000 to get the ND .

I want to be able to use it and if there is ever a time where they get more strict on this stuff, I want to be accredited or recognized by whomever.

 

Elizabeth

 

-

chele

herbal remedies

Monday, September 06, 2004 4:43 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - School of Natural Healing

 

 

Hi Elizabeth,

 

Right now I'm scouting out different courses. I'm real confused though because there are many courses out there but I want something that fits me.

I really love the Claytons courses but they are too expensive.

 

I spoke w/ Dr. Peske two years ago at a trade conference & he introduced me to Dr. C's courses but at the time, I had too much on my plate & couldn't take on anything else. (I don't think he's still affiliated w/ Dr. C though - ??)

 

I've checked out HHA. I bought the first course because I wanted to see what it was like. It's too political, & she rants & raves way too much. Too much drama for me.

 

Here's my dilemma. The State of NY does not acknowledge a ND degree. In order to practice any type of alternative therapies, you must have a recognized license such as a Massage Therapist or above or it is illegal to even touch a person with the intent of giving alternative treatment.

So do I spend close to $10,000+ for the Clayton courses & not be able to use it?

 

My back ground is in this field of alternative health. I own my own health food business.

It's my hearts desire to open a center for alternative treatments & along w/ other care givers be able to help people regain their health but if I can't further my business w/ this new knowledge I obtain then I can't validate spending this kind of money just to keep the info. to myself.

 

MicheleFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Trinity School does not require presence. I just spoke with them on the phone and it is a strictly distance learning school.

 

Elizabeth Elliotteliz3378

 

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Julie Hensley

herbal remedies

Monday, September 13, 2004 1:25 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - DOC N.D. schools: was - School of Natural Healing

 

Do all these programs require physical presence? When I looked at the program for Doc Christopher it seems to be online with the exception of a 6 day visit to Utah at the very end.

 

Julie

 

-

Elizabeth Elliott

herbal remedies

Monday, September 13, 2004 1:19 PM

Herbal Remedies - DOC N.D. schools: was - School of Natural Healing

 

Hey Doc,

Thanks for the info. I had become quite bummed because here I am in KY with a husband who won't move anywhere. Indiana is so close to me and now I think it will be easier for me to reach my goals. He won't mind moving to INdy for a little while.

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Elizabeth Elliott

 

-

Julie Hensley

herbal remedies

Monday, September 13, 2004 12:29 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - DOC & Elizabeth - N.D. schools: was - School of Natural Healing

 

Wow Doc,

 

I have to admit, I've followed this thread with as much interest as any I've seen on the list as my goals included pursuing more of a degree...

 

I should have known that the answer wouldn't be simple. How outrageous that the programs that are "true" to the science of Naturopathy have little acceptance and those that have sold out are. On the other hand, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but if for this reason alone, I am thankful for this list. Otherwise it would be relatively easy to be influenced by the "credibility" associated with the schools like Bastyr.

 

Thanks again!

 

Julie

 

-

Doc Shillington

herbal remedies

Monday, September 13, 2004 12:10 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - DOC & Elizabeth - N.D. schools: was - School of Natural Healing

 

Dear Tammi,

 

Your questions are not inappropriate for HR and are welcomed.

 

Since Bastyr is the one making the most noise, I'll focus on it, though I believe there are 4 others that fall into the same category.

 

Bastyr is trying to get a monopoly on the practice of Naturopathy. Their prices are outrageous and they are trying to set themselves (and the other four) as being the only accredited schools to get an ND degree. They have been infiltrated by the giant pharmaceuticals and do use minor drugs and minor surgery procedures. Over the last couple of years they have had some success in getting legislation passed in a few states where their students have licensure and can get malpractice insurance, etc. All the other Naturopathic colleges have been ostracized from these states and there is currently a battle happening in New Mexico and in Florida between TRUE Naturopaths and the Bastyr Naturopathic Medical Doctor Wannabees. So far Bastyr has lost in these areanas, but there is big bucks behind them and they may eventually win since most Naturopaths are somewhat apolitical and just want to be left alone to do their own thing. Even though I know little about her, Mariah McCain of Herbal Healer Academy fame and who I understand has a good school has been attacked by Bastyr's henchmen and she has not asked for help. I sent her an email offering to let her use Herbal Remedies to spring board her counter attack and heard nothing back from her on it. My opinion is that most Naturopaths are somewhat anarchistic in nature since they propose and promulgate individual responsibility and this strong individualism may end up being the death of us. We do need to come together on this to fight back.

 

My almer mater is Trinity College in Indiana where I got my degree, and I do recommend them, however, my number one recommendation is Dr. John Christopher's School of Natural Healing in Utah. It does not offer an ND degree but it does offer an MH (Master Herbalist) degree which I feel is worth more than any ND degree out there at this time. Ole Doc Christopher was the greatest herbalist of the 20th Century and his work was never influenced or infiltrated by the Giant Pharmaceuticals or the AMA or APA or anyone else. His work remains mostly free of any slant or pitch. Trinity is good though and a little cheaper. I was once accused of just going to Trinity because it was a diploma mill and there is no truth to that at all. If you go the Trinity route, you'll work your buns off. The final step to getting your degree with them is a 45 page 7,000 word Thesis. If you can't confront that, then don't even try. Doc Christopher's courses are more comprehensive and all inclusive plus the focus is on herbs. Doing both would be the ultimate. :-)

 

If your goals have to do with acceptance, status, licensure, being part of the main stream, and being part of the "club" with old school tie and all, then pay the 60 Grand and go to Bastyr. You might not help many people but you'll sure be accepted.

 

Love,

 

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-447-5282Doc

 

-

tammi

herbal remedies

Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:46 PM

Herbal Remedies - DOC & Elizabeth - N.D. schools: was - School of Natural Healing

 

Elizabeth, I feel the same way. To my knowledge there are only three accredited schools in the USA. One is in Washington the other two are in Oregon and Arizona. This is the link to the information that I have http://www.cnme.org/ (scroll down to the bottom Links and FAQ's are what you want to check out - Bastyr and the one in Tempe AZ are the ones that I am considering. I want to be a N.D. specializing in Lactation (maybe even midwifery) - Don't even try to look it up!! I'm more or less considering combining the two "professions" ! I'm not even sure if there is such a professional out there. I do volunteer work with a National Volunteer Organization for Breastfeeding Mothers (I'm not sure if I can say there name since, I'm affiliated with them - so I'm trying to be a good little girl and not get TOASTED!), and lately there's been a HUGE jump in women wanting to handle some of the more complicated problems "naturally".

 

Doc, is my information correct? The next question I have is is there a difference between being a Naturopath and being a Naturapathic Doctor or Physician - Do both hold a Doctor of Naturopathy degree? It is my current understanding that a naturopath my have training, but not be eligible for licensure and does not have the same level of medical training, and that the Naturopathic Doctor of Physcian goes through the same pre-medical training as an M.D.

 

If the second question is something I should have sent privately then just e-mail me off-list.

 

Tammi

-

 

Elizabeth Elliott

herbal remedies

Monday, September 06, 2004 8:11 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - School of Natural Healing

 

I had heard that Clayton's programs weren't that good. I would like to get more info on this from Doc. because the only school that I have ever hear d of as being accredited is BAstyr University in Seattle, which would cost me about $80000 to get the ND .

I want to be able to use it and if there is ever a time where they get more strict on this stuff, I want to be accredited or recognized by whomever.

 

Elizabeth

 

-

chele

herbal remedies

Monday, September 06, 2004 4:43 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - School of Natural Healing

 

 

Hi Elizabeth,

 

Right now I'm scouting out different courses. I'm real confused though because there are many courses out there but I want something that fits me.

I really love the Claytons courses but they are too expensive.

 

I spoke w/ Dr. Peske two years ago at a trade conference & he introduced me to Dr. C's courses but at the time, I had too much on my plate & couldn't take on anything else. (I don't think he's still affiliated w/ Dr. C though - ??)

 

I've checked out HHA. I bought the first course because I wanted to see what it was like. It's too political, & she rants & raves way too much. Too much drama for me.

 

Here's my dilemma. The State of NY does not acknowledge a ND degree. In order to practice any type of alternative therapies, you must have a recognized license such as a Massage Therapist or above or it is illegal to even touch a person with the intent of giving alternative treatment.

So do I spend close to $10,000+ for the Clayton courses & not be able to use it?

 

My back ground is in this field of alternative health. I own my own health food business.

It's my hearts desire to open a center for alternative treatments & along w/ other care givers be able to help people regain their health but if I can't further my business w/ this new knowledge I obtain then I can't validate spending this kind of money just to keep the info. to myself.

 

MicheleFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington