Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Hi Roni, How great to hear that you are enjoying this course. I joined this group because I also want to take some courses & wanted to hear some feedback from others on their experience w/ it. Anyone else take courses from the School of Natural healing & want to give me your opinion? I would love to hear it. My goal is ND someday. Thanks MicheleRoni Slye <roni_slye wrote: It's always great to hear testimonials, thanks Keli! I just started the family herbalist course from the school of natural healing, and it saddens me that most people are not aware of the wonders of herbs and healthy living (I used to be one of them). Take care and keep up the good work! Love, RoniKelli Bever <kelli wrote: Hi Roni, Thanks! Good to be back! Yes, I've been doing a bunch of stuff to heal faster - Total Nutrition, Lemon Egg, Bone Flesh & Cartilage tea and tincture and Deep Tissue Repair Oil. My physical therapist is amazed at how fast I'm recovering! (I'm not! LOL!) :)Kelli Roni Slye [roni_slye] Monday, August 30, 2004 9:50 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Kelli's back Hi Kelli, Glad to have you back, and hope your healing is going well. Have you been using any helpful herbs to speed the healing process? Love, RoniFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 my goal is nd one day too. what are you doing to get there michele? thanks. elizabeth - chele herbal remedies Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:10 AM Herbal Remedies - School of Natural Healing - Roni Hi Roni, How great to hear that you are enjoying this course. I joined this group because I also want to take some courses & wanted to hear some feedback from others on their experience w/ it. Anyone else take courses from the School of Natural healing & want to give me your opinion? I would love to hear it. My goal is ND someday. Thanks MicheleRoni Slye <roni_slye wrote: It's always great to hear testimonials, thanks Keli! I just started the family herbalist course from the school of natural healing, and it saddens me that most people are not aware of the wonders of herbs and healthy living (I used to be one of them). Take care and keep up the good work! Love, RoniKelli Bever <kelli wrote: Hi Roni, Thanks! Good to be back! Yes, I've been doing a bunch of stuff to heal faster - Total Nutrition, Lemon Egg, Bone Flesh & Cartilage tea and tincture and Deep Tissue Repair Oil. My physical therapist is amazed at how fast I'm recovering! (I'm not! LOL!) :)Kelli Roni Slye [roni_slye] Monday, August 30, 2004 9:50 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Kelli's back Hi Kelli, Glad to have you back, and hope your healing is going well. Have you been using any helpful herbs to speed the healing process? Love, RoniFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 I have some experience with the School of Natural Healing. What I like about them is that you get alot of videos and audio tapes along with books (and they provide everything). I didn't want to go to Utah to take the tests so have been working on the course (MH) throught the years with them. Trinity College of Natural Health has an ND program but you would need to do other things besides them anyway. You don't get any clinical experience with them so I've joined the American Herbalist's Guild to get some clinical experience. And it helps to find someone in your area who can teach you clinical assessments and experience. Well, that was my 2 cents' worth. Good luck, Marlene herbal remedies , " Elizabeth Elliott " <eliz3378@e...> wrote: > my goal is nd one day too. > what are you doing to get there michele? > thanks. > elizabeth > - > chele > herbal remedies > Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:10 AM > Herbal Remedies - School of Natural Healing - Roni > > > Hi Roni, > > How great to hear that you are enjoying this course. > I joined this group because I also want to take some courses & wanted to hear some feedback from others on their experience w/ it. > > Anyone else take courses from the School of Natural healing & want to give me your opinion? I would love to hear it. > > My goal is ND someday. > > Thanks > > Michele > > > Roni Slye <roni_slye> wrote: > It's always great to hear testimonials, thanks Keli! I just started the family herbalist course from the school of natural healing, and it saddens me that most people are not aware of the wonders of herbs and healthy living (I used to be one of them). Take care and keep up the good work! > > Love, > Roni > > Kelli Bever <kelli@c...> wrote: > Hi Roni, > > Thanks! Good to be back! > > Yes, I've been doing a bunch of stuff to heal faster - Total Nutrition, Lemon Egg, Bone Flesh & Cartilage tea and tincture and Deep Tissue Repair Oil. My physical therapist is amazed at how fast I'm recovering! (I'm not! LOL!) > > > > Kelli > > > > -- ---- > > Roni Slye [roni_slye] > Monday, August 30, 2004 9:50 PM > herbal remedies > Re: Herbal Remedies - Kelli's back > > > Hi Kelli, > Glad to have you back, and hope your healing is going well. Have you been using any helpful herbs to speed the healing process? > > Love, > Roni > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > > -- -------- > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > > -- ---------- > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 I am approaching my third year studying with Dr. Christopher's school and I love, love, love it. I highly recommend it. When I hit a glitch (and believe me, I have stumbled on many of them) everyone at the school is very helpful. Sherry Bakko on 9/2/04 6:10 AM, chele at inanutchele wrote: Hi Roni, How great to hear that you are enjoying this course. I joined this group because I also want to take some courses & wanted to hear some feedback from others on their experience w/ it. Anyone else take courses from the School of Natural healing & want to give me your opinion? I would love to hear it. My goal is ND someday. Thanks Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 hey, where exactly are you?? how can one find someone who can teach me clinical experience?? i would love to get some clinical experience without having to move. elizabeth - Marlene herbal remedies Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:25 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - School of Natural Healing - Roni I have some experience with the School of Natural Healing. What I like about them is that you get alot of videos and audio tapes along with books (and they provide everything). I didn't want to go to Utah to take the tests so have been working on the course (MH) throught the years with them. Trinity College of Natural Health has an ND program but you would need to do other things besides them anyway. You don't get any clinical experience with them so I've joined the American Herbalist's Guild to get some clinical experience. And it helps to find someone in your area who can teach you clinical assessments and experience. Well, that was my 2 cents' worth. Good luck,Marleneherbal remedies , "Elizabeth Elliott" <eliz3378@e...> wrote:> my goal is nd one day too.> what are you doing to get there michele?> thanks.> elizabeth> - > chele > herbal remedies > Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:10 AM> Herbal Remedies - School of Natural Healing - Roni> > > Hi Roni, > > How great to hear that you are enjoying this course. > I joined this group because I also want to take some courses & wanted to hear some feedback from others on their experience w/ it. > > Anyone else take courses from the School of Natural healing & want to give me your opinion? I would love to hear it.> > My goal is ND someday. > > Thanks> > Michele> > > Roni Slye <roni_slye> wrote:> It's always great to hear testimonials, thanks Keli! I just started the family herbalist course from the school of natural healing, and it saddens me that most people are not aware of the wonders of herbs and healthy living (I used to be one of them). Take care and keep up the good work!> > Love,> Roni> > Kelli Bever <kelli@c...> wrote:> Hi Roni,> > Thanks! Good to be back! > > Yes, I've been doing a bunch of stuff to heal faster - Total Nutrition, Lemon Egg, Bone Flesh & Cartilage tea and tincture and Deep Tissue Repair Oil. My physical therapist is amazed at how fast I'm recovering! (I'm not! LOL!)> > > > Kelli> > > > ------> > Roni Slye [roni_slye] > Monday, August 30, 2004 9:50 PM> herbal remedies > Re: Herbal Remedies - Kelli's back > > > Hi Kelli,> Glad to have you back, and hope your healing is going well. Have you been using any helpful herbs to speed the healing process? > > Love,> Roni> > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > > ----------> > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Hi Elizabeth, Please remember to trim the emails when you respond. For the benefit of others on the group as well as our disk space allocation. Thanks! Kelli Elizabeth Elliott [eliz3378] Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:19 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - School of Natural Healing - Roni hey, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 sure no problem. i forget to do that alot. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Hi Michele, Thanks for the encouragement! I would also like to get an ND someday, but I think I'm going to get an MH first (If I can figure out how to afford it). I would love to hear people's opinions on courses they've taken and/or schools they know of as well. Have a great day! Love, Ronichele <inanutchele wrote: Hi Roni, How great to hear that you are enjoying this course. I joined this group because I also want to take some courses & wanted to hear some feedback from others on their experience w/ it. Anyone else take courses from the School of Natural healing & want to give me your opinion? I would love to hear it. My goal is ND someday. Thanks MicheleRoni Slye <roni_slye wrote: It's always great to hear testimonials, thanks Keli! I just started the family herbalist course from the school of natural healing, and it saddens me that most people are not aware of the wonders of herbs and healthy living (I used to be one of them). Take care and keep up the good work! Love, RoniKelli Bever <kelli wrote: Hi Roni, Thanks! Good to be back! Yes, I've been doing a bunch of stuff to heal faster - Total Nutrition, Lemon Egg, Bone Flesh & Cartilage tea and tincture and Deep Tissue Repair Oil. My physical therapist is amazed at how fast I'm recovering! (I'm not! LOL!) :)Kelli Roni Slye [roni_slye] Monday, August 30, 2004 9:50 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Kelli's back Hi Kelli, Glad to have you back, and hope your healing is going well. Have you been using any helpful herbs to speed the healing process? Love, RoniFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Enter now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 You can find mentors on the American Herbalists Guild website. I don't know if every state has mentors or not. I've only checked with my state - Minnesota and I've found one mentor so far but haven't had time to get mentored (LOL) from him. Marlene herbal remedies , " Elizabeth Elliott " <eliz3378@e...> wrote: > hey, > where exactly are you?? > how can one find someone who can teach me clinical experience?? > i would love to get some clinical experience without having to move. > elizabeth > - > Marlene > herbal remedies > Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:25 PM > Re: Herbal Remedies - School of Natural Healing - Roni > > > I have some experience with the School of Natural Healing. What I > like about them is that you get alot of videos and audio tapes along > with books (and they provide everything). I didn't want to go to Utah > to take the tests so have been working on the course (MH) throught > the years with them. Trinity College of Natural Health has an ND > program but you would need to do other things besides them anyway. > You don't get any clinical experience with them so I've joined the > American Herbalist's Guild to get some clinical experience. And it > helps to find someone in your area who can teach you clinical > assessments and experience. Well, that was my 2 cents' worth. > > Good luck, > Marlene > > herbal remedies , " Elizabeth Elliott " > <eliz3378@e...> wrote: > > my goal is nd one day too. > > what are you doing to get there michele? > > thanks. > > elizabeth > > - > > chele > > herbal remedies > > Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:10 AM > > Herbal Remedies - School of Natural Healing - Roni > > > > > > Hi Roni, > > > > How great to hear that you are enjoying this course. > > I joined this group because I also want to take some courses & > wanted to hear some feedback from others on their experience w/ it. > > > > Anyone else take courses from the School of Natural healing & > want to give me your opinion? I would love to hear it. > > > > My goal is ND someday. > > > > Thanks > > > > Michele > > > > > > Roni Slye <roni_slye> wrote: > > It's always great to hear testimonials, thanks Keli! I just > started the family herbalist course from the school of natural > healing, and it saddens me that most people are not aware of the > wonders of herbs and healthy living (I used to be one of them). Take > care and keep up the good work! > > > > Love, > > Roni > > > > Kelli Bever <kelli@c...> wrote: > > Hi Roni, > > > > Thanks! Good to be back! > > > > Yes, I've been doing a bunch of stuff to heal faster - Total > Nutrition, Lemon Egg, Bone Flesh & Cartilage tea and tincture and > Deep Tissue Repair Oil. My physical therapist is amazed at how fast > I'm recovering! (I'm not! LOL!) > > > > > > > > Kelli > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ ----- > ---- > > > > Roni Slye [roni_slye] > > Monday, August 30, 2004 9:50 PM > > herbal remedies > > Re: Herbal Remedies - Kelli's back > > > > > > Hi Kelli, > > Glad to have you back, and hope your healing is going well. > Have you been using any helpful herbs to speed the healing process? > > > > Love, > > Roni > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using > any natural remedy. > > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own > physician and to > > prescribe for your own health. > > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post > here as long as > > they behave themselves. > > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, > and any person > > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their > own risk. > > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or > products from list members, you are agreeing to > > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List > Owner and members free of any liability. > > > > Dr. Ian Shillington > > Doctor of Naturopathy > > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ ----- > -------- > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > natural remedy. > > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own > physician and to > > prescribe for your own health. > > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post > here as long as > > they behave themselves. > > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, > and any person > > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their > own risk. > > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or > products from list members, you are agreeing to > > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List > Owner and members free of any liability. > > > > Dr. Ian Shillington > > Doctor of Naturopathy > > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ ----- > ---------- > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > natural remedy. > > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own > physician and to > > prescribe for your own health. > > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here > as long as > > they behave themselves. > > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and > any person > > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own > risk. > > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or > products from list members, you are agreeing to > > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner > and members free of any liability. > > > > Dr. Ian Shillington > > Doctor of Naturopathy > > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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