Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 I used to have tons of energy but the past few months it has been really low. I relocated to a slightly different climate about 8 months ago but I should be adjusted to it by now. I got depressed over the winter but things are better now except for the low energy. I'm taking B-complex, Ginseng, Biloba & other things I've read about. Any suggestions? Thanks for help. Allison New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Hi Allison, How is your diet and what exercise are you getting? Kelli allison kay archer [texasbluesfan] Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:16 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - low energy level I used to have tons of energy but the past few months it has been really low. I relocated to a slightly different climate about 8 months ago but I should be adjusted to it by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 I eat fairly healthy. No red meat at all. Only fish, poultry & cheese. No potatoes. Lately lots of cooked and raw veggies as neighbors have shared their gardens. Whole wheat bread, and when I want something sweet it's a spoon of honey or some peanut butter on bread. Exercise-I'm not a couch potato but know I need a little more than I'm doing. Thanks. Allison Kelli Bever <kelli wrote: Hi Allison, How is your diet and what exercise are you getting? Kelli allison kay archer [texasbluesfan] Wednesday, September 01, 2004 6:16 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - low energy level I used to have tons of energy but the past few months it has been really low. I relocated to a slightly different climate about 8 months ago but I should be adjusted to it by now.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Have you had your hemoglobin checked to make sure your iron is high enough? A simple check that doesn't give you any measurements but can tell if it's significantly low, is to look at your fingernails. They should be very pink. Allergies? My allergies make me very tired as well as when I get my period. Otherwise, Rhodiola (aka golden root) is something you might try. I haven't tried it but I have an article about it if you want I can scan it. Stress is also something else that contributes to fatigue. Moving can cause stress :-P. Have you tried yoga? Yoga really helps my stress level and my energy level. Those are my thoughts. Let me know if you want to see the article. I have no personal experience with rhodiola, just have the article. Michelle Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 I just got this article in my e-mail this morning from http://newsletter.personalperformance.com/august2004/ I forgot about the thyroid thing. Kelp or Dulse can help with the thyroid. Hidden Causes of Fatigue You're getting a full 8 hours of sleep. You're eating right. And your life is stress-free (well, as stress-free as it gets). So what could be sapping your energy? Consider these surprising culprits When to Call a DoctorFatigue may be just a signal that you need to manage your life better or that a cold or the flu is coming on. But it also can be a warning sign of serious illness. " Anything that's chronic—diabetes, lung disease, anemia—will cause fatigue, " says Rich Ricer, MD.Fatigue is also a symptom of many other illnesses, including hepatitis, mononucleosis, thyroid disease, and cancer. So if your tiredness persists, don't try to diagnose yourself. See a doctor. One of the most common health complaints that people discuss with their doctors is fatigue. In fact, research has shown that Americans make more than 10 million trips to the doctor's office each year to talk about their fatigue. If you're feeling tired and sluggish—even though you've been trying to get a full night's sleep and eat a healthy diet—consider these possible causes with your doctor: Allergies. More than 50 million Americans have some form of allergy. Allergic rhinitis (otherwise known as hay fever), the most common type of allergy, affects approximately 40 million Americans each year. So what causes allergies? Simply put, an allergy is a response by your body's immune system to something that is ordinarily harmless. The immune system overreacts to ordinarily harmless substances such as pet dander, pollen, dust, and mold. People who have this response have " allergies. " Allergies can cause nasal congestion, sneezing, runny nose, and itchy, watery eyes. Due to these symptoms, allergies can also interfere with a good night's sleep—and result in fatigue. But you can take control of your allergies by taking Claritin® allergy products. Claritin® provides relief from the most annoying allergy symptoms, bringing you a new level of clear—Claritin® Clear. And with a full line of products, the whole family can enjoy relief. Plus, Claritin® won't leave you feeling drowsy the next day like some other allergy products. So you can get allergy relief and get on with your life. Smoking. Doctors always advise giving up smoking, but add this to the list of reasons: Smoking reduces the amount of oxygen available in your body. The result is fatigue. When you first quit, however, don't expect an immediate energy boost. Nicotine acts as a stimulant, and withdrawal may cause some temporary tiredness. Too much sleep. You can get too much of a good thing, even sleep. " If you oversleep, you tend to be groggy all day, " says exercise physiologist William Fink. Usually, 8 hours of sleep per night is enough for most people. Dehydration. Drink sufficient amounts of water, even more when you're active. Boredom. Sometimes fatigue can be caused by a rut. Even the simplest of changes can make a difference, says Rick Ricer, MD, vice chairman for educational affairs and a professor of family medicine at the University of Cincinnati in Ohio. If you always start your day reading the paper, for example, try reading something inspirational. If you always eat fish for Monday dinner, reel in chicken next Monday instead. If you're a daily runner, try interspersing some scenic bicycle rides. Sleep apnea. If you're fatigued during the day, it may be because you're not getting good sleep at night—and you might not even know it. Up to 18 million Americans are affected by sleep apnea, which is often caused by relaxed throat muscles and tongue that interrupt normal breathing while sleeping, according to the American Sleep Apnea Association. If you have this condition, you may stop breathing for a few seconds to more than a minute, which may happen a hundred times an hour during the night. As a result, you frequently awaken with a startle, but don't remember it the next day. You likely snore as you sleep, too. Talk to your doctor about diagnosis and treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Michelle, Thank you for all the info. I've experienced allergies since moving here. Also I sprained my ankle about 6 weeks ago. Since reading both your emails I think it's a combination of several things. Planning to take action now and work on everything that I think it could be. Thanks again. Allison Michelle Snodgrass <michelle_cols_oh wrote: Have you had your hemoglobin checked to make sure your iron is high Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Enter now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Woah...nicely hidden Claritin ad! *hmph* ST Michelle S. wrote: > I just got this article in my e-mail this morning from > > http://newsletter.personalperformance.com/august2004/ > > I forgot about the thyroid thing. Kelp or Dulse can help with the > thyroid. > > Hidden Causes of Fatigue > You're getting a full 8 hours of sleep. You're eating right. And your > life is stress-free (well, as stress-free as it gets). So what could > be sapping your energy? Consider these surprising culprits > When to Call a DoctorFatigue may be just a signal that you need to > manage your life better or that a cold or the flu is coming on. But > it also can be a warning sign of serious illness. " Anything that's > chronic—diabetes, lung disease, anemia—will cause fatigue, " says Rich > Ricer, MD.Fatigue is also a symptom of many other illnesses, > including hepatitis, mononucleosis, thyroid disease, and cancer. So > if your tiredness persists, don't try to diagnose yourself. See a > doctor. > One of the most common health complaints that people discuss with > their doctors is fatigue. In fact, research has shown that Americans > make more than 10 million trips to the doctor's office each year to > talk about their fatigue. > > If you're feeling tired and sluggish—even though you've been trying > to get a full night's sleep and eat a healthy diet—consider these > possible causes with your doctor: > > Allergies. More than 50 million Americans have some form of allergy. > Allergic rhinitis (otherwise known as hay fever), the most common > type of allergy, affects approximately 40 million Americans each > year. So what causes allergies? Simply put, an allergy is a response > by your body's immune system to something that is ordinarily > harmless. The immune system overreacts to ordinarily harmless > substances such as pet dander, pollen, dust, and mold. People who > have this response have " allergies. " > > Allergies can cause nasal congestion, sneezing, runny nose, and > itchy, watery eyes. Due to these symptoms, allergies can also > interfere with a good night's sleep—and result in fatigue. But you > can take control of your allergies by taking Claritin® allergy > products. Claritin® provides relief from the most annoying allergy > symptoms, bringing you a new level of clear—Claritin® Clear. And with > a full line of products, the whole family can enjoy relief. > > Plus, Claritin® won't leave you feeling drowsy the next day like some > other allergy products. So you can get allergy relief and get on with > your life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Well that doesn't sound too bad. I'd recommend limiting the dairy as much as possible, and cut out the enzyme inhibitors (bread should be from sprouted grains, and no peanut butter unless you make your own from sprouted peanuts). Taking a brisk walk every day would really help as well. You might also want to consider doing a juice cleanse. I know that when I'm getting a lot of enzymes from raw fruits and veggies (juice or other), then I really feel great! When I eat cooked, or worse have something with enzyme inhibitors in it, I can actually feel it drawing off the energy stores of my body, literally! Also, take a look at the Female Energy Formula (should be in the files). That's an herbal supplement with some energy kick in it! Best, Kelli allison kay archer [texasbluesfan] Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:10 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - low energy level I eat fairly healthy. No red meat at all. Only fish, poultry & cheese. No potatoes. Lately lots of cooked and raw veggies as neighbors have shared their gardens. Whole wheat bread, and when I want something sweet it's a spoon of honey or some peanut butter on bread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Michelle, This article is advocating alleopathic methods which is off topic for this list. Kelli Group Moderator | | Michelle S. [michelle_cols_oh] | Thursday, September 02, 2004 4:08 AM | herbal remedies | Herbal Remedies - Re: low energy level | | I just got this article in my e-mail this morning from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Sorry about that. I didn't really even read it past the headlines and topics. I was more trying to pass on the 8 causes of fatigue. MichelleKelli Bever <kelli wrote: Michelle, This article is advocating alleopathic methods which is off topic for this list. KelliGroup Moderator | | Michelle S. [michelle_cols_oh] | Thursday, September 02, 2004 4:08 AM| herbal remedies | Herbal Remedies - Re: low energy level| | I just got this article in my e-mail this morning fromFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Hi Michelle, I understand. Look through the info more next time. The first thing I noticed on the web link you passed along were the drug ads at the top of the page. Also, if it's a pharmo-medico page indicating what the "8 causes of fatigue" are, I doubt it will contain any reliable information. Their statistics are not very good in any area relating to health! LOL! :)Kelli Michelle Snodgrass [michelle_cols_oh] Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:30 AMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - Re: low energy level Sorry about that. I didn't really even read it past the headlines and topics. I was more trying to pass on the 8 causes of fatigue. Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Your problem es the most frequently asked question I answer in my health food store. You didn't say from what climate you were in and what climate you moved to. But as an educated guess because you mentioned 'winter', have you looked into the possibility that you are suffering from seasonal affective disorder. You can find all the info on the net. My wife had SAD when we lived in NH. It can be very dibilating. You seem to be looking at all the right things. One thing about hypothyroidism. Unless it is extremely low, it may not show up on a blood test. A simple way of checking your thyroid is to take your body temperature each morning before getting out of bed. Get an oral themometer and put in on your bed stand. Before rising, put it under your arm for 15 minutes. If you temp is 97.6 or lower for five days, you may have hypothroidism. Hope this helps, James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Michelle, Halt the horse on the Thyroid and Kelp... I have HYPO-Thyroidism. Kelp ...I was told was one of the things I need to stay away from....Now for those with HYPER-Thyroidism is it the opposite? Frankly, I do not know....just wanted to pass this along... Kathy Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Enter now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Kelli, Thanks for your help. Is an enzyme inhibiter just anything that isn't raw? AllisonKelli Bever <kelli wrote: Well that doesn't sound too bad. I'd recommend limiting the dairy as much as possible, and cut out the enzyme inhibitors (bread should be from sprouted grains, and no peanut butter unless you make your own from sprouted peanuts). Taking a brisk walk every day would really help as well. You might also want to consider doing a juice cleanse. I know that when I'm getting a lot of enzymes from raw fruits and veggies (juice or other), then I really feel great! When I eat cooked, or worse have something with enzyme inhibitors in it, I can actually feel it drawing off the energy stores of my body, literally! Also, take a look at the Female Energy Formula (should be in the files). That's an herbal supplement with some energy kick in it! Best, Kelli allison kay archer [texasbluesfan] Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:10 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - low energy level I eat fairly healthy. No red meat at all. Only fish, poultry & cheese. No potatoes. Lately lots of cooked and raw veggies as neighbors have shared their gardens. Whole wheat bread, and when I want something sweet it's a spoon of honey or some peanut butter on bread.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Hi Allison, An enzyme inhibitor is an unsprouted seed, nut, grain, etc. Enzyme inhibitors prevent the thing from turning into it's natural state - a plant. They also inhibit your own natural enzymes which are critical to proper digestion and healing processes in the body. You can go to www.sproutpeople.com for info on sprouting, which removes the enzyme inhibitors. Best, Kelli allison kay archer [texasbluesfan] Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:15 AMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - low energy level Kelli, Thanks for your help. Is an enzyme inhibiter just anything that isn't raw? Allison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 allison kay archer <texasbluesfan wrote: I used to have tons of energy but the past few months it has been really low. I relocated to a slightly different climate about 8 months ago but I should be adjusted to it by now. I got depressed over the winter but things are better now except for the low energy. I'm taking B-complex, Ginseng, Biloba & other things I've read about. Any suggestions? Thanks for help. Allison New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Allison, how old are you? I'm going through the same thing and I think it's my body's way to introducing me to menopause, the pre-m club? I'm 45 and I guess it's getting that time? If not, be prepared. Sue in Mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Here is some info I found on the web in regards to hypothyroidism and kelp: Kelp in particular is rich in iodine and may be worth trying for an underactive thyroid condition caused by a lack of this mineral. However, in the United States very few cases of underactive thyroid are due to iodine deficiency. That's because the use of iodized salt is now so widespread. What I do know is that the total body cleanse can reverse a hypothyroid problem. This was the case for me, Sylvia and Ellen. We have all posted our wins in this regard on this list in the past. Give it a try! Best, Kelli kathy villalobos [kathysacreddancer] Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:11 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: low energy level Michelle, Halt the horse on the Thyroid and Kelp... I have HYPO-Thyroidism. Kelp ...I was told was one of the things I need to stay away from....Now for those with HYPER-Thyroidism is it the opposite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Hi Sue, 'Been there, Done that' regarding the menopause. I'm 65 and have always had a tremendous amount of energy. I had been in Texas hill country about 6 years then relocated to north central Arkansas about 8 months ago. Allison in ARSue Neitzel <gardeninmo wrote: Allison, how old are you? I'm going through the same thing and I think it's my body's way to introducing me to menopause, the pre-m club? I'm 45 and I guess it's getting that time? If not, be prepared. Sue in Mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 Thanks Kelli. That website is great. I used to sprout mung beans a long time ago but quit. Not sure why. I'm going to start some today. Allison Kelli Bever <kelli wrote: Hi Allison, An enzyme inhibitor is an unsprouted seed, nut, grain, etc. Enzyme inhibitors prevent the thing from turning into it's natural state - a plant. They also inhibit your own natural enzymes which are critical to proper digestion and healing processes in the body. You can go to www.sproutpeople.com for info on sprouting, which removes the enzyme inhibitors. Best, Kelli allison kay archer [texasbluesfan] Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:15 AMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - low energy level Kelli, Thanks for your help. Is an enzyme inhibiter just anything that isn't raw? AllisonFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2004 Report Share Posted September 2, 2004 I've always read that Kelp is Good for hypothyroidism And for hyperthyroidism, because it helps support and balance the thyroid... Jan G. SAHM of 8, doula, breastfeeding advocate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 Excellent! Keep us all posted on your progress as you change things. I wanna know what works for you! Best, Kelli allison kay archer [texasbluesfan] Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:41 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - low energy level Thanks Kelli. That website is great. I used to sprout mung beans a long time ago but quit. Not sure why. I'm going to start some today. Allison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 Hmm...I guess my doctor is giving me bum advise? I told her I love sushi. Her response was not to sacrifice my love for it all year long.....just do not overdose on the kelp because the iodine in it is very high. She also said shell fish (another FAVORITE of mine) is also full of iodine...bad for my hypothyroid. All I know is that I have more energy now that I am being treated with Synthroid medicine. But my wieght continued to be an issue until I tried my herbal tea from Japan. Love,Kathy Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Enter now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 Hello again, I think this why my Doctor and you do not see eye to eye. I was place on meds and then given this advise. Hope this clears the air...Kathy I copied this from: http://www.genesishealth.com/micromedex/altmedint/ci0023.aspx INTERACTIONS WITH: PRESCRIPTION MEDICINE: The following thyroid medicines: Levothyroxine (Eltroxin®, Levothroid®, Synthroid®); Liothyronine (Cytomel®); Liotrix (Euthroid®, Thyrolar®); Methimazole (Tapazole®); Propylthiouracil (Propylthiouracil®); Desiccated Thyroid (Armour® Thyroid, Thyrar®, Thyroid Strong®); Thyroglobulin (Proloid®) HARMFUL EFFECT: Taking KELP and thyroid medicines together may cause problems with thyroid hormone regulation. The iodine found in KELP has been shown to either increase or decrease thyroid hormone, which can interfere with drug therapy. PROOF: This interaction has been reported in people (1-3). WHAT TO DO: Talk to your doctor before taking KELP and thyroid medicine together. Taking KELP and thyroid medicine together may be harmful. If you are already taking KELP and thyroid medicine together and you have a fast or very slow heart rate, nervousness, weight loss or weight gain, shaking, fatigue, trouble sleeping, fever, headache, diarrhea, upset stomach, or throwing up, call your doctor right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 Hi My wife has Hepatitis C, and as most people know she suffers terribly with very low evergy to an almost crippling state. She is due to go for treatment within the next 6 months (Pegalated Interferon and Ribavirin) which can have terrible side effects. Anyway, anybody has any ideas to help her with her very low energy levels? Whatever is suggested (if anything) must NOT harm her liver in any way. Kind regards Jeff Sutton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 This is the problem in a nutshell, Kathy. Doctors have no right to "place you on meds." They work for you, not the other way around. And they are only one avenue to your health and well-being -- and IME not one to be used if you are serious about your own health. Do you own research and listen to your body and discover what it needs. What is doesn't need is some allopathic doctor or pharmaceutical company pumping you full of medications and taking your hard-earned dollars. Too many people see them as gods and take their word as gospel....to the detriment of their health. Sharyn kathy villalobos [kathysacreddancer] I was place on meds and then given this advise. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release 9/3/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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