Guest guest Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 There are many diets in the world today (Atkins, South Beach, Weight Watchers, Dr. Phil, ediets) how do you know which one is the best balanced diet. I need a good heart healthy diet plan that is high in fiber, but not completely raw vegetarian. I do try to eat organic meat, dairy, eggs, with my raw fruits and vegetables. Where can I find a good well balanced diet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Of all the diets espoused today, I'd go with the South Beach. It cuts out sugars and simple carbs, but allows high fiber and complex carbs. It's also well balanced. And written by a cardiologist. Sharyn MaryAnne [pokergirl212000] Where can I find a good well balanced diet? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release 8/16/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 www.westonaprice.org is a fabulous place to learn about nutrition. it's sane, science based, and REAL. sounds like you are already on your way with organic meat, eggs, dairy and veggies. however, do keep in mind that some vegetables raw will harm you: broccoli, cauliflower, kale, cabbage, asparagus, and related plants contain goitrogens which will seriously suppress your thyroid if eaten raw. make sure to boil them, steam them, or saute them sufficiently! don't worry though, cooked kale still has 4 times the vitamin C as an orange -katja At 12:26 PM 8/19/2004, you wrote: >There are many diets in the world today (Atkins, South Beach, Weight >Watchers, Dr. Phil, ediets) how do you know which one is the best >balanced diet. I need a good heart healthy diet plan that is high >in fiber, but not completely raw vegetarian. I do try to eat >organic meat, dairy, eggs, with my raw fruits and vegetables. Where >can I find a good well balanced diet? > > > > > >Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: >1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. >2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural >remedy. >3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to >prescribe for your own health. >We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as >they behave themselves. >Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person >following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. >It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from >list members, you are agreeing to >be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and >members free of any liability. > >Dr. Ian Shillington >Doctor of Naturopathy >Dr.IanShillington > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 here is a great well balanced diet http://www.weightconsultants.com/uk/ I am following this one and it's great, I can if you want e-mail you the instructions, might take a while because I will have to translate them from icelandic into english. Lilja MaryAnne [pokergirl212000]19. ágúst 2004 16:26herbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - DietsThere are many diets in the world today (Atkins, South Beach, Weight Watchers, Dr. Phil, ediets) how do you know which one is the best balanced diet. I need a good heart healthy diet plan that is high in fiber, but not completely raw vegetarian. I do try to eat organic meat, dairy, eggs, with my raw fruits and vegetables. Where can I find a good well balanced diet?Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Can you explain more about raw broccoli, cabbage and other things. I never heard about that before, and I eat only raw. jasminakatja <katja wrote: www.westonaprice.org is a fabulous place to learn about nutrition. it's sane, science based, and REAL. sounds like you are already on your way with organic meat, eggs, dairy and veggies. however, do keep in mind that some vegetables raw will harm you: broccoli, cauliflower, kale, cabbage, asparagus, and related plants contain goitrogens which will seriously suppress your thyroid if eaten raw. make sure to boil them, steam them, or saute them sufficiently! don't worry though, cooked kale still has 4 times the vitamin C as an orange -katjaAt 12:26 PM 8/19/2004, you wrote:>There are many diets in the world today (Atkins, South Beach, Weight>Watchers, Dr. Phil, ediets) how do you know which one is the best>balanced diet. I need a good heart healthy diet plan that is high>in fiber, but not completely raw vegetarian. I do try to eat>organic meat, dairy, eggs, with my raw fruits and vegetables. Where>can I find a good well balanced diet?>>>>>>Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:>1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.>2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural >remedy.>3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to>prescribe for your own health.>We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as>they behave themselves.>Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person>following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.>It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from >list members, you are agreeing to>be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and >members free of any liability.>>Dr. Ian Shillington>Doctor of Naturopathy>Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Although for many people goitrogens do not seem to pose a health concern, certain individuals who have thyroid problems may be advised by their healthcare practitioner to limit excessive consumption of foods that contain these compounds. As cooking seems to help to inactivate the goitrogenic compounds found in food, it seems reasonable to conclude that for individuals with deficient thyroid hormone production, steaming of cruciferous vegetables like broccoli makes good sense, as does consumption of tofu in cooked versus raw form. References Conaway, C. C.; Getahun, S. M.; Liebes, L. L.; Pusateri, D. J.; Topham, D. K.; Botero-Omary, M., and Chung, F. L. Disposition of glucosinolates and sulforaphane in humans after ingestion of steamed and fresh broccoli. Nutr Cancer. 2000; 38(2):168-78. katja <katja wrote: www.westonaprice.org is a fabulous place to learn about nutrition. it's sane, science based, and REAL. sounds like you are already on your way with organic meat, eggs, dairy and veggies. however, do keep in mind that some vegetables raw will harm you: broccoli, cauliflower, kale, cabbage, asparagus, and related plants contain goitrogens which will seriously suppress your thyroid if eaten raw. make sure to boil them, steam them, or saute them sufficiently! don't worry though, cooked kale still has 4 times the vitamin C as an orange -katjaAt 12:26 PM 8/19/2004, you wrote:>There are many diets in the world today (Atkins, South Beach, Weight>Watchers, Dr. Phil, ediets) how do you know which one is the best>balanced diet. I need a good heart healthy diet plan that is high>in fiber, but not completely raw vegetarian. I do try to eat>organic meat, dairy, eggs, with my raw fruits and vegetables. Where>can I find a good well balanced diet?>>>>>>Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:>1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.>2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural >remedy.>3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to>prescribe for your own health.>We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as>they behave themselves.>Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person>following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.>It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from >list members, you are agreeing to>be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and >members free of any liability.>>Dr. Ian Shillington>Doctor of Naturopathy>Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 i had not heard it before starting study as a nutritionist, either, but it turns out there's a lot of stuff about food that we have forgotten in our convenience-oriented world. for example, why did your gramma soak her oatmeal? not just because it was habit, and not just to cook it - it's possible to make oatmeal without soaking it. but oatmeal has phylates, which need to be neutralized (or " predigested " ) before eating the oatmeal, otherwise they'll bind to vitamins and stuff and carry them out of your body. soaking it overnight starts to break the oatmeal down so that our bodies can do the rest of the job. you should get ahold of the book Nourishing Traditions by sally fallon, or check out the website www.westonaprice.org - great stuff! -katja At 05:30 PM 8/19/2004, you wrote: >Can you explain more about raw broccoli, cabbage and other things. I never >heard about that before, and I eat only raw. >jasmina > >katja <katja wrote: >www.westonaprice.org is a fabulous place to learn about nutrition. it's >sane, science based, and REAL. sounds like you are already on your way with >organic meat, eggs, dairy and veggies. however, do keep in mind that some >vegetables raw will harm you: broccoli, cauliflower, kale, cabbage, >asparagus, and related plants contain goitrogens which will seriously >suppress your thyroid if eaten raw. make sure to boil them, steam them, or >saute them sufficiently! don't worry though, cooked kale still has 4 times >the vitamin C as an orange > >-katja > >At 12:26 PM 8/19/2004, you wrote: > > >There are many diets in the world today (Atkins, South Beach, Weight > >Watchers, Dr. Phil, ediets) how do you know which one is the best > >balanced diet. I need a good heart healthy diet plan that is high > >in fiber, but not comp! letely raw vegetarian. I do try to eat > >organic meat, dairy, eggs, with my raw fruits and vegetables. Where > >can I find a good well balanced diet? > > > > > > > > > > > >Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > >1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > >2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural > >remedy. > >3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > >prescribe for your own health. > >We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > >they behave themselves. > >Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > >following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > >It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from > >list members, you are agreeing to > >be fully responsible for your own health, a! nd hold the List Owner and > >members free of any liability. > > > >Dr. Ian Shillington > >Doctor of Naturopathy > >Dr.IanShillington > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 I second this. Wonderful book! Also, for those dog people out there, THE COMPLETE HERBAL HANDBOOK FOR THE DOG AND CAT by Juliette de Bairacli Levy. Sharyn katja [katja] you should get ahold of the book Nourishing Traditions by sally fallon, --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release 8/19/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Definitely considered the bible among those interested in nutritional and herbal approaches. Pitcairn's book.. the exact title escapes me... Natural Health for the Dog and Cat (or something like that) is a great introduction to feeding your dog/cat at home for all that he advocates cooking. The BARF diet (lovely acronym whose meaning I don't recall either) is a raw diet approach. - " Sharyn Cerniglia " <sharyn.cerniglia <herbal remedies > Friday, August 20, 2004 11:17 AM RE: Herbal Remedies - Diets > I second this. Wonderful book! > > Also, for those dog people out there, THE COMPLETE HERBAL HANDBOOK FOR THE > DOG AND CAT by Juliette de Bairacli Levy. > > Sharyn > > > katja [katja] > > you should get ahold of the book Nourishing Traditions by sally fallon, > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release 8/19/2004 Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 There is a book called " handbook of Obesity Treatment " and it has a lot of info in it that you may want to look at. Most diets and commercial weightloss programs perform about evenly, which means not very well. No diet performs better than any other one. The same is true for treatment programs. At 2 year follow-up most clients will regain the weight they lost, long-term maintenance is a big problem. The current research is focused on differentiating different groups of obese people, such as depression eaters, binge and fast people, the sedative-indifferent, etc. One other thing worth knowing: Programs that focus on moderate loss, 10% of bodyweight, within a 3 months time frame, with follow-up maintenance, and life style changes performed actually the best in the trials in terms of long-term weight chnage. I usually ask clients, what would have to change for you to lose the weight and keep it off? Why is it hard to do this? What would it take to commit to this? Final note: Giving people dietary advice and telling them what they SHOULD do, is not producing results. Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - martyeisen Chinese Medicine Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:56 AM Re: Digest Number 3057. Diets There are many theories and diets. Does anyone know of clinicla trials that show that they are effective? The only one that I know is the Ornish diet that combines with lifestyle changes and reverses CAD and lowers cholesterol. **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntus\ trav00000002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Angela, For acupuncture, do you use electro-stim for your weight loss patients. Are you going by a weight-loss protocol and/or constitutional treatments? Have you seen your weight-loss patients keep the weight off after stopping treatments or do they depend on the acupuncture and herbs? Thanks, K On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < angelapfa wrote: > > > There is a book called " handbook of Obesity Treatment " and it has a lot of > info in it that you may want to look at. > Most diets and commercial weightloss programs perform about evenly, which > means not very well. No diet performs better than any other one. The same is > true for treatment programs. At 2 year follow-up most clients will regain > the weight they lost, long-term maintenance is a big problem. > The current research is focused on differentiating different groups of > obese people, such as depression eaters, binge and fast people, the > sedative-indifferent, etc. > One other thing worth knowing: Programs that focus on moderate loss, 10% of > bodyweight, within a 3 months time frame, with follow-up maintenance, and > life style changes performed actually the best in the trials in terms of > long-term weight chnage. > I usually ask clients, what would have to change for you to lose the weight > and keep it off? Why is it hard to do this? What would it take to commit to > this? > Final note: Giving people dietary advice and telling them what they SHOULD > do, is not producing results. > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > martyeisen <martyeisen%40aol.com> > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:56 AM > Re: Digest Number 3057. Diets > > There are many theories and diets. Does anyone know of clinicla trials > that show that they are effective? > > The only one that I know is the Ornish diet that combines with lifestyle > changes and reverses CAD and lowers cholesterol. > **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in > the U.S. > ( > http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntust\ rav00000002 > ) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I ask my clients to decide what needs to change, and they usually know, stop eating fast food, start an exercise routine, stop all the sugar, etc. I make them committ to it and explain that acupuncture reduces cravings, and increases energy. I do an adjusted 5 needle protocol: St, Hungry point, also called appetite on the tragus, shenmen, Lu 2 ( most direct stimulation of the vaegus nerve) and Sympathtic Nerve. The I also treat TCM patterns, St heat is the most common, but also damp, qi deficiency, etc. and I give them herbs, usually Qing Wei San. Then we agree on a timeframe, such as 12 weeks to lose 20 pounds, and I see them weekly, then I see them monthly during follow-up. Most of my clients succeed and say thay feel better than they have for a long time and it was easy to lose the weight. I discourage unrealistic expectations, such as all the poinds are going to come of if I only do enough acupuncture. Clients often want additional conditions treated, and I discourage that unless it's very straight forward, but nor dysmennorhea and back pain, and whatever else. Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - Chinese Medicine Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:45 AM Re: Diets Angela, For acupuncture, do you use electro-stim for your weight loss patients. Are you going by a weight-loss protocol and/or constitutional treatments? Have you seen your weight-loss patients keep the weight off after stopping treatments or do they depend on the acupuncture and herbs? Thanks, K On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < angelapfa wrote: > > > There is a book called " handbook of Obesity Treatment " and it has a lot of > info in it that you may want to look at. > Most diets and commercial weightloss programs perform about evenly, which > means not very well. No diet performs better than any other one. The same is > true for treatment programs. At 2 year follow-up most clients will regain > the weight they lost, long-term maintenance is a big problem. > The current research is focused on differentiating different groups of > obese people, such as depression eaters, binge and fast people, the > sedative-indifferent, etc. > One other thing worth knowing: Programs that focus on moderate loss, 10% of > bodyweight, within a 3 months time frame, with follow-up maintenance, and > life style changes performed actually the best in the trials in terms of > long-term weight chnage. > I usually ask clients, what would have to change for you to lose the weight > and keep it off? Why is it hard to do this? What would it take to commit to > this? > Final note: Giving people dietary advice and telling them what they SHOULD > do, is not producing results. > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > martyeisen <martyeisen%40aol.com> > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:56 AM > Re: Digest Number 3057. Diets > > There are many theories and diets. Does anyone know of clinicla trials > that show that they are effective? > > The only one that I know is the Ornish diet that combines with lifestyle > changes and reverses CAD and lowers cholesterol. > **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in > the U.S. > ( > http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntust\ rav00000002 > ) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Angela, Thanks for sharing your experience. I also add LV 14 for fat metabolism and water points according to Kiiko style. Other then Qing wei san, do you use Drain-dampness formulas a lot? What about yang tonics to kick start the metabolism? It's been said that Shen ling bai zhu san is good for weight-loss... SP qi def with dampness ... what do you think about that formula? Fat is supposed to be a combination of water, dampness and phlegm. Any other ideas about that? Thanks. K On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < angelapfa wrote: > > > I ask my clients to decide what needs to change, and they usually know, > stop eating fast food, start an exercise routine, stop all the sugar, etc. I > make them committ to it and explain that acupuncture reduces cravings, and > increases energy. I do an adjusted 5 needle protocol: St, Hungry point, also > called appetite on the tragus, shenmen, Lu 2 ( most direct stimulation of > the vaegus nerve) and Sympathtic Nerve. The I also treat TCM patterns, St > heat is the most common, but also damp, qi deficiency, etc. and I give them > herbs, usually Qing Wei San. Then we agree on a timeframe, such as 12 weeks > to lose 20 pounds, and I see them weekly, then I see them monthly during > follow-up. Most of my clients succeed and say thay feel better than they > have for a long time and it was easy to lose the weight. I discourage > unrealistic expectations, such as all the poinds are going to come of if I > only do enough acupuncture. Clients often want additional conditions > treated, and I discourage that unless it's very straight forward, but nor > dysmennorhea and back pain, and whatever else. > > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:45 AM > Re: Diets > > Angela, > > For acupuncture, do you use electro-stim for your weight loss patients. > Are you going by a weight-loss protocol and/or constitutional treatments? > > Have you seen your weight-loss patients keep the weight off after stopping > treatments > or do they depend on the acupuncture and herbs? > > Thanks, > K > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net>> wrote: > > > > > > > There is a book called " handbook of Obesity Treatment " and it has a lot > of > > info in it that you may want to look at. > > Most diets and commercial weightloss programs perform about evenly, which > > means not very well. No diet performs better than any other one. The same > is > > true for treatment programs. At 2 year follow-up most clients will regain > > the weight they lost, long-term maintenance is a big problem. > > The current research is focused on differentiating different groups of > > obese people, such as depression eaters, binge and fast people, the > > sedative-indifferent, etc. > > One other thing worth knowing: Programs that focus on moderate loss, 10% > of > > bodyweight, within a 3 months time frame, with follow-up maintenance, and > > life style changes performed actually the best in the trials in terms of > > long-term weight chnage. > > I usually ask clients, what would have to change for you to lose the > weight > > and keep it off? Why is it hard to do this? What would it take to commit > to > > this? > > Final note: Giving people dietary advice and telling them what they > SHOULD > > do, is not producing results. > > > > Regards, > > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> <angelapfa%40comcast.net > > > > > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > > - > > martyeisen <martyeisen%40aol.com> <martyeisen%40aol.com> > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:56 AM > > Re: Digest Number 3057. Diets > > > > There are many theories and diets. Does anyone know of clinicla trials > > that show that they are effective? > > > > The only one that I know is the Ornish diet that combines with lifestyle > > changes and reverses CAD and lowers cholesterol. > > **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in > > the U.S. > > ( > > > http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntust\ rav00000002 > > ) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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