Question about morning glory versus viola tricolora

[Guest guest]

Hello all

 

I just became a member of this group, I'm interested in homeopathic

remedies and also in herbal remedies.

 

Some name of one of your group members drew my attention, and that

brings me to the next question:

 

Who knows the exact difference between morning glory and viola

tricolora? I am asking this because morning glory seeds are useful in

treating migraines and even cluster headaches (this last thing,

unfortunately my partner has and he has tried the morning glory

treatment - now DON't advice this to anyone without contemplating and

getting advice first, it is hardly a pleasant cure but I must say, it

did help).

 

Now I WOULD like to try and get a homeopathic version of morning

glory made, because taking the seeds makes him extremely nauseaus and

he doesn't like the other effects AT ALL. But now they tell me

morning glory is exactly the same as viola tricolora and that that

remedy already exists.

 

But the two couldn't be the same , could they?

Could anyone point me to a site where I can find contents of plants,

in terms of alkaloids, opiats, or other active substances, so that I

could compare the two? That would be most useful.

 

For the rest , I'm interested in all of that about other herbal

remedies as well.

[Guest guest]

Are you talking about Ipomoea tricolor for the morning glory? I can't

find much concerning that for medicinal uses. Actually i did find

something but I am not sure about the source. It said it is used for

burns, scalds, hemorrhoids, rheumatic pain. I Have no experience with

this plant at all... As for Viola tricolor, I love that plant. I put

the leaves in salads and I once made an ointment with the flowers

mixed with rose petals. It was awesome... very soothing and healing

on the skin. They might be part of the same plant family, but I can't

tell for sure from the internet sources I am pulling up. Appearance-

wise I would look both plants up in a field guide.

 

For the migranes- I don't have experience with migranes, but I read

in Herbs for Health in one of the issues that feverfew is a great

herb to try.

 

herbal remedies , " hannahfroukje "

<knowitnotall@h...> wrote:

> Hello all

>

> I just became a member of this group, I'm interested in homeopathic

> remedies and also in herbal remedies.

>

> Some name of one of your group members drew my attention, and that

> brings me to the next question:

>

> Who knows the exact difference between morning glory and viola

> tricolora? I am asking this because morning glory seeds are useful

in

> treating migraines and even cluster headaches (this last thing,

> unfortunately my partner has and he has tried the morning glory

> treatment - now DON't advice this to anyone without contemplating

and

> getting advice first, it is hardly a pleasant cure but I must say,

it

> did help).

>

> Now I WOULD like to try and get a homeopathic version of morning

> glory made, because taking the seeds makes him extremely nauseaus

and

> he doesn't like the other effects AT ALL. But now they tell me

> morning glory is exactly the same as viola tricolora and that that

> remedy already exists.

>

> But the two couldn't be the same , could they?

> Could anyone point me to a site where I can find contents of

plants,

> in terms of alkaloids, opiats, or other active substances, so that

I

> could compare the two? That would be most useful.

>

> For the rest , I'm interested in all of that about other herbal

> remedies as well.

[Guest guest]

Yes, Ipomoea tricolor does ring a bell. Thanks, that must be the

proper name.

 

Any chance that you could point me to a website or book where I can

find the medicinal use you talked about. For me as a homeopath it is

important to complete a `medical picture`.

 

Yes, I know that there are few medical uses for ipomoea. It is not

very pleasant to use the seeds.

 

The way it works on cluster and on migraines, seems to have some kind

of relation with the mechanism of the hypothalamus. You see, in

ipomoea there is a substance called Lysergic Acid Amide. This is in

structure comparable to serotonine, the substance of which the

mechanism would be disturbed in clusterheadache patients and in some

migraineers. Because of the similarity in structure, morning glory is

able to " reset " this serotonine mechanism, or adds serotonine-like

substance to the body (I´m not completely sure which).

 

Feverfew might work on migraines, but clusterheadache is of a whole

other scale. Perhaps it would have a positive effect, but I doubt if

it would be `curative`. There are patients who have tried it, but not

many with positive effect.

 

Could you help me a bit further? Would be a great help.

 

Hannah

 

herbal remedies , " k_huether77 "

<k_huether77> wrote:

> Are you talking about Ipomoea tricolor for the morning glory? I

can't

> find much concerning that for medicinal uses. Actually i did find

> something but I am not sure about the source. It said it is used

for

> burns, scalds, hemorrhoids, rheumatic pain. I Have no experience

with

> this plant at all...

[Guest guest]

Ah that is a fascinating little fact about morning glory! Thank you

for sharing that. I never even knew you could use it medicinally

until today!

 

You don't by any chance read German? I found some info on some German

sites. I will look in my field guides and get back to you. I also

have the German Commision E lying around and maybe they mentioned it.

 

herbal remedies , " hannahfroukje "

<knowitnotall@h...> wrote:

> Yes, Ipomoea tricolor does ring a bell. Thanks, that must be the

> proper name.

>

> Any chance that you could point me to a website or book where I can

> find the medicinal use you talked about. For me as a homeopath it

is

> important to complete a `medical picture`.

>

> Yes, I know that there are few medical uses for ipomoea. It is not

> very pleasant to use the seeds.

>

> The way it works on cluster and on migraines, seems to have some

kind

> of relation with the mechanism of the hypothalamus. You see, in

> ipomoea there is a substance called Lysergic Acid Amide. This is in

> structure comparable to serotonine, the substance of which the

> mechanism would be disturbed in clusterheadache patients and in

some

> migraineers. Because of the similarity in structure, morning glory

is

> able to " reset " this serotonine mechanism, or adds serotonine-like

> substance to the body (I´m not completely sure which).

>

> Feverfew might work on migraines, but clusterheadache is of a whole

> other scale. Perhaps it would have a positive effect, but I doubt

if

> it would be `curative`. There are patients who have tried it, but

not

> many with positive effect.

>

> Could you help me a bit further? Would be a great help.

>

> Hannah

>

> herbal remedies , " k_huether77 "

> <k_huether77> wrote:

> > Are you talking about Ipomoea tricolor for the morning glory? I

> can't

> > find much concerning that for medicinal uses. Actually i did find

> > something but I am not sure about the source. It said it is used

> for

> > burns, scalds, hemorrhoids, rheumatic pain. I Have no experience

> with

> > this plant at all...

[Guest guest]

Perhaps you are interested to know that in America on some University

(don't remember which one) there are experiments done in the

treatment of cluster headache with psilocin. Psilocin is also one of

these " serotonine-like " substances - only the molecule misses the mid-

section of Lysergic Amine Acid - to proof that it works in the battle

against headache. If this list is interested in that kind of info, I

will post it as soon as the results come out (I'm checked the status

recently, I wonder how they're doing).

 

Reading German is no problem at all (I'm Dutch), French would be a

little tougher ;-). So if you got info, PLEASE share it with me, I

would be most grateful, I can't find anything on this particular

ipoemoa kind ... and to us it is very important to be exact about the

kind, ANY info will be most helpful.

 

Thanks in advance for looking, it's very important to us (if you ever

meet anyone with clusterheadache, or know anyone NOW, you will surely

understand what I mean, because it's a horrible syndrome, and the

medicines for it is ... ugh ....

 

Speaking about medicine ... I have always wondered WHY they modelled

the " ergotamine " -group of medicine (for migraines and

clusterheadache) the way they did ... WHY on earth would they develop

a medicine that works only temporarily, and has a lot of side-

effects, BASED ON a " nature drug " that is available itsself (Psilocin

from mushrooms, or lysergic acids amine from ipoemoea), which will

work much better (only 4 doses a year will do) and have NO side-

effects at all. I keep thinking about that, and the stuff that enters

my mind is NOT pleasant.

 

But perhaps we'd better not go into that ...

 

By the way, K_huether: please WATCH out using ipoemoa medicinally. It

is really a medical plant and you can get very sick by using it

(throwing up, being nauseaus). A safer and more pleasant way to treat

migraines is to use the mushroom psilocybe cubensis, but these

weren't strong enough for my patient, they will usually do for

migraines though and most cluster patients. This is the mushroom

known to be a " magic mushroom " , in some countries it is illegal.

 

Now I don't want to poison your list with info on drugs (otherwise

you're welcome to cut this out, really), but it is a FACT that it is

a safe way to treat serotonine-related vascular headaches like

cluster and some migraines. It's safer then using lysergic amine

acid. Please understand that in some countries these plants/mushrooms

are listed as " psychedelic drugs " so use them wisely. BUT, if you're

a clusterheadache patient you will try ANYTHING to get rid of the

excruciating pains, and this just HELPS, REALLY! So I mention it

purely to offer it as info, but be careful with it, please. If you

want any more info on it on how to use it for vascular diseases,

please let me know. I'm not sure what I can post about that on this

list. I tried to get through all the lists of what NOT to do on this

list, I think I got it down, but wasn't there something in it about

not posting on drugs? Well, legally these substances are NO drugs in

Holland but they are in the States and in many other countries.

 

herbal remedies , " k_huether77 "

<k_huether77> wrote:

> Ah that is a fascinating little fact about morning glory! Thank you

> for sharing that. I never even knew you could use it medicinally

> until today!

>

> You don't by any chance read German? I found some info on some

German

> sites. I will look in my field guides and get back to you. I also

> have the German Commision E lying around and maybe they mentioned

it.

>

[Guest guest]

Do not worry- I know there are some plants, like poke root and

wormwood, that are extremely strong and have a low therapeutic

margin. Poke can help clear up bad infections, but the dose is

literally one drop. Any more and you get sick... I haven't used poke

but some people swear by it for stubborn infections...

 

Here are some links:

 

This one really talks about how it is poisonous...

http://www.gifte.de/ipomoea_tricolor.htm

 

Here are some others:

 

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=18201

 

I am finding a lot of things concerning its hallucinogenic affects.

Auf Deutsch, es ist " Trichterwinde " oder " Prunkwinde " ... so I don't

know if you want to do a search using those names.

 

 

herbal remedies , " hannahfroukje "

<knowitnotall@h...> wrote:

>

> Perhaps you are interested to know that in America on some

University

> (don't remember which one) there are experiments done in the

> treatment of cluster headache with psilocin. Psilocin is also one

of

> these " serotonine-like " substances - only the molecule misses the

mid-

> section of Lysergic Amine Acid - to proof that it works in the

battle

> against headache. If this list is interested in that kind of info,

I

> will post it as soon as the results come out (I'm checked the

status

> recently, I wonder how they're doing).

>

> Reading German is no problem at all (I'm Dutch), French would be a

> little tougher ;-). So if you got info, PLEASE share it with me, I

> would be most grateful, I can't find anything on this particular

> ipoemoa kind ... and to us it is very important to be exact about

the

> kind, ANY info will be most helpful.

>

> Thanks in advance for looking, it's very important to us (if you

ever

> meet anyone with clusterheadache, or know anyone NOW, you will

surely

> understand what I mean, because it's a horrible syndrome, and the

> medicines for it is ... ugh ....

>

> Speaking about medicine ... I have always wondered WHY they

modelled

> the " ergotamine " -group of medicine (for migraines and

> clusterheadache) the way they did ... WHY on earth would they

develop

> a medicine that works only temporarily, and has a lot of side-

> effects, BASED ON a " nature drug " that is available itsself

(Psilocin

> from mushrooms, or lysergic acids amine from ipoemoea), which will

> work much better (only 4 doses a year will do) and have NO side-

> effects at all. I keep thinking about that, and the stuff that

enters

> my mind is NOT pleasant.

>

> But perhaps we'd better not go into that ...

>

> By the way, K_huether: please WATCH out using ipoemoa medicinally.

It

> is really a medical plant and you can get very sick by using it

> (throwing up, being nauseaus). A safer and more pleasant way to

treat

> migraines is to use the mushroom psilocybe cubensis, but these

> weren't strong enough for my patient, they will usually do for

> migraines though and most cluster patients. This is the mushroom

> known to be a " magic mushroom " , in some countries it is illegal.

>

> Now I don't want to poison your list with info on drugs (otherwise

> you're welcome to cut this out, really), but it is a FACT that it

is

> a safe way to treat serotonine-related vascular headaches like

> cluster and some migraines. It's safer then using lysergic amine

> acid. Please understand that in some countries these

plants/mushrooms

> are listed as " psychedelic drugs " so use them wisely. BUT, if

you're

> a clusterheadache patient you will try ANYTHING to get rid of the

> excruciating pains, and this just HELPS, REALLY! So I mention it

> purely to offer it as info, but be careful with it, please. If you

> want any more info on it on how to use it for vascular diseases,

> please let me know. I'm not sure what I can post about that on this

> list. I tried to get through all the lists of what NOT to do on

this

> list, I think I got it down, but wasn't there something in it about

> not posting on drugs? Well, legally these substances are NO drugs

in

> Holland but they are in the States and in many other countries.

>

> herbal remedies , " k_huether77 "

> <k_huether77> wrote:

> > Ah that is a fascinating little fact about morning glory! Thank

you

> > for sharing that. I never even knew you could use it medicinally

> > until today!

> >

> > You don't by any chance read German? I found some info on some

> German

> > sites. I will look in my field guides and get back to you. I

also

> > have the German Commision E lying around and maybe they mentioned

> it.

> >

[Guest guest]

herbal remedies , " k_huether77 "

<k_huether77> wrote:

> Do not worry- I know there are some plants, like poke root and

> wormwood, that are extremely strong and have a low therapeutic

> margin. Poke can help clear up bad infections, but the dose is

> literally one drop. Any more and you get sick... I haven't used

poke

> but some people swear by it for stubborn infections...

>

> Here are some links:

>

***********

 

Thanks, I´ve sent them on to my home email adres.

Wil check it out for sure. I will also check out the German sites.

 

By the way, I´ve never heard of Poke, but I´m not too familiar yet

with the English names so that´s no wonder!

[Guest guest]

Poke may only be a north american plant. If you like I can check.

 

herbal remedies , " hannahfroukje "

<knowitnotall@h...> wrote:

> herbal remedies , " k_huether77 "

> <k_huether77> wrote:

> > Do not worry- I know there are some plants, like poke root and

> > wormwood, that are extremely strong and have a low therapeutic

> > margin. Poke can help clear up bad infections, but the dose is

> > literally one drop. Any more and you get sick... I haven't used

> poke

> > but some people swear by it for stubborn infections...

> >

> > Here are some links:

> >

> ***********

>

> Thanks, I´ve sent them on to my home email adres.

> Wil check it out for sure. I will also check out the German sites.

>

> By the way, I´ve never heard of Poke, but I´m not too familiar yet

> with the English names so that´s no wonder!

[Guest guest]

Thanks , but perhaps you'd better not bother then (will only cost you

time). I would probably be unable to get it here, anyway. And I am

very careful with using herbs, I only use the ones I really know

well, and that's not very much yet (am learning though ;-).

 

Thanks for the info!

 

Hannah

 

herbal remedies , " k_huether77 "

<k_huether77> wrote:

> Poke may only be a north american plant. If you like I can check.

>