OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

July 9, 2004

Milk - Hazard or Cure? Scientist Robert Anderson exposes a myth behind New Zealand's favourite health food. http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:NmAwnL-mZ50J:www.organicnz.pl.net/pastissues/marapr03/milk.rtf+Kurt+A.+Oster & hl=en & start=65 & ie=UTF-8 Is anything more aggravating than buying what you understand to be organic food only to discover that it is not organic and that industry has, once again, "meddled" with it? My wife returned from a supermarket recently having purchased a bottle of "Simply Organic" milk. On reading the label more closely we found it was nothing of the sort. In the fine print we read that, as well as being pasteurised, this so called "organic milk" was also homogenised. But, you ask, "homogenising was developed for the benefit of consumers, surely?" Not true. Homogenising was developed to reduce the fat particles to such a fine extent they no longer separate out, so that the milk lasts longer on the shelf. It is only one of many processes food is now subjected to entirely for commercial purposes. Consumers have to contend with foods being irradiated, genetically engineered, homogenised and processed using any other novel method that will benefit the corporations producing it. Homogenising extends milk shelf-life to 11 days or so. It has no beneficial food value; in fact, the very opposite. According to government statistics, 50 percent of New Zealanders die from heart disease, 25 percent from cancer and five percent from diabetes. Now, it seems, homogenised milk may be a leading contributor. Dr Kurt Oster, head of cardiology in Connecticut, has been researching and gathering evidence about homogenised milk for over 20 years. This questionable process began being introduced by dairy companies as far back as 1932. Most of the milk consumed in the US is now homogenised. Dr Oster's findings conclusively show that in the process of extending shelf life and stopping the cream separating out of milk, medicine has a clear culprit for increased arteriosclerosis. Dr Oster's findings link the formation of the plaque which clogs arteries directly to ingesting homogenised milk. According to Dr Oster, with Dr Donald Ross of Fairfield University and Dr John Zikakis of the University of Delaware, homogenising allows the enzyme xanthine oxidase (XO) to pass intact into the blood stream. There it attacks the plasmologen tissue of the artery walls and parts of the heart muscle. This causes lesions that the body tries to heal by laying down a protective layer of cholesterol. The end result is scar tissue and calcified plaques with a build-up of cholesterol and other fatty deposits. We call these arteriosclerosis and atherosclerosis. According to these experts, dietary cholesterol is not the main cause of heart attacks; it is homogenised milk. Finns consume about 272kg of milk each per year; 90 percent is homogenised, meaning 245kg of homogenised milk per Finn per year. Swedes drink about 60 percent as much milk, but only two percent of it is homogenised (only 4.9kg per year). The heart attack death rate in Finland is more than three times the Swedish level (about 245/100,000 compared with only 75/100,000). These statistics should serve to warn us that something is seriously wrong. Homogenisation could also be one of the major reasons for allergies to milk. As Dr Oski said in the finish of his disturbing book, Don't Drink Your Milk,4 "Milk has no valid claim as the perfect food. As nutrition, it produces allergies in infants, diarrhoea and cramps in the older child and adult, and may be a factor in the development of heart attacks and strokes." Fragmenting the fats - how it works When milk is not homogenised two important constituents - Xanthine oxidase (XO) and the cream - are digested first in our stomachs and then in the small intestine. These digested components are then metabolised normally by our body. According to Dr Oster's studies, homogenising allows a large portion of the XO and fat molecules to pass straight into the bloodstream unaltered. Homogenisation forces the milk under extreme pressure, through tiny holes. This breaks up the normally large fat particles into tiny ones and forces the fat to form tiny molecular clusters, thus ensuring that the molecules do not regroup and form a cream layer on top of the milk. Instead, in this denatured state, they stay suspended in the milk. However, not only do they not regroup, the process also makes digestion almost impossible. The tiny molecules enter the bloodstream directly as undigested fat - not exactly the best for human health. Xanthine oxidase has a very specific function in our bodies. It breaks down purine compounds into uric acid, which is a waste product. The liver of several animals, including humans, contains Xanthine oxidase specifically for this purpose. However, as Dr Oster said, "When foreign XO, such as that from cow's milk, enters the bloodstream it causes havoc by attacking specific targets within the artery walls." The "specific target" which Dr Oster refers to, as mentioned earlier, is the plasmologen tissue making up the artery cell walls. Plasmologen is vital as it holds together the cell membranes within the artery walls. Any damage from foreign Xanthine oxidase causes lesions to the artery walls. The body, in its efforts to protect and repair them, immediately responds by "patching" the damage with calcified plaque. In the later stages of arteriosclerosis and atherosclerosis, arteries lose their elasticity as additional calcium is deposited. Calcification of the arteries can contribute to high blood pressure which is actually not a disease by itself, merely a symptom. It has been found in some samples that plasmologen was missing in artery wall lesions and plaques. The mystery was solved when researchers found XO in th plaques. The two substances cannot co-exist. So what should we do? Firstly, we must minimise non-preferred fats in the diet. Preferred fats include fish oils and seafood oils, evening primrose oil, flaxseed oil, olive oil, and small amounts of butter. Non-preferred fats include homogenised milk fats, processed oils, margarine and excess animal fat. The use of trans-fatty acids (bad fats) potentially results in deterioration of cell membranes and a degradation of the immune system. Even standard milk pasteurisation brings problems It changes calcium into an insoluble form which we can no longer absorb. The old myth that you can get calcium from milk is very shaky indeed and we have major increases in osteoporosis even though plenty of milk is consumed.1 It is a common misconception that dairy products are a good source of calcium. But the amount of phosphorus also in milk blocks its absorption. People who drink a lot of milk have even been found to have a higher incidence of osteoporosis. Furthermore, the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research has shown that pasteurisation destroys the vitamin A, around 38 percent of the vitamin B complex, and about 50 percent of the vitamin C content of milk. Research has also shown that an anti-cancer metabolite contained in raw milk is destroyed in pasteurisation, and many enzymes are also damaged. A recent study by Auckland medical researchers,2 published in the latest issue of the New Zealand Medical Journal, also suggests a strong link between consuming milk with A1 beta-casein - which most New Zealanders consume each day - and heart disease and Type 1 diabetes. One of the most outspoken opponents of dairy products is American, Dr William Ellis, who said: "Over my 42 years of practice, I've performed more than 25,000 blood tests for my patients. These tests show conclusively, in my opinion, that adults who use milk products do not absorb nutrients as well as adults who don't. Of course, poor absorption, in turn, means chronic fatigue."3 While pasteurising may well ruin several valuable components in milk, homogenising makes it much worse. Robert Anderson Ph.D Robert Anderson Ph.D If you still opt to drink milk, make sure that you carefully read the label on your next bottle. Homogenised is not organic!

July 10, 2004

Hi Jeff,

I am new to the list so if I am repeating what others

already know I apologize in advance.

All I wanted to add was that I read that all food

coming from Hawaii is irradiated. This is why amongst

other reasons you can't find organic pineapple.

Also, irradiation is also referred to as " cold

pastuerization "

Hope this was helpful.

jl

--- Jeff Castor <jeff.castor wrote:

>

> Milk - Hazard or Cure?

>

> Scientist Robert Anderson exposes a myth behind New

> Zealand's favourite health food.

>

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:NmAwnL-mZ50J:www.organicnz.pl.net/pastissue\

s/marapr03/milk.rtf+Kurt+A.+Oster

>

<http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:NmAwnL-mZ50J:www.organicnz.pl.net/pastissu\

es/marapr03/milk.rtf+Kurt+A.+Oster & hl=en & start=65 & ie

> =UTF-8> & hl=en & start=65 & ie=UTF-8

>

> Is anything more aggravating than buying what you

> understand to be organic food only to discover that

> it is not organic and that

> industry has, once again, " meddled " with it?

>

> My wife returned from a supermarket recently having

> purchased a bottle of " Simply Organic " milk. On

> reading the label more closely

> we found it was nothing of the sort. In the fine

> print we read that, as well as being pasteurised,

> this so called " organic milk " was

> also homogenised.

>

> But, you ask, " homogenising was developed for the

> benefit of consumers, surely? " Not true.

> Homogenising was developed to reduce the

> fat particles to such a fine extent they no longer

> separate out, so that the milk lasts longer on the

> shelf. It is only one of many

> processes food is now subjected to entirely for

> commercial purposes. Consumers have to contend with

> foods being irradiated,

> genetically engineered, homogenised and processed

> using any other novel method that will benefit the

> corporations producing it.

> Homogenising extends milk shelf-life to 11 days or

> so. It has no beneficial food value; in fact, the

> very opposite.

>

> According to government statistics, 50 percent of

> New Zealanders die from heart disease, 25 percent

> from cancer and five percent

> from diabetes. Now, it seems, homogenised milk may

> be a leading contributor.

>

> Dr Kurt Oster, head of cardiology in Connecticut,

> has been researching and gathering evidence about

> homogenised milk for over 20

> years. This questionable process began being

> introduced by dairy companies as far back as 1932.

> Most of the milk consumed in the US

> is now homogenised. Dr Oster's findings conclusively

> show that in the process of extending shelf life and

> stopping the cream

> separating out of milk, medicine has a clear culprit

> for increased arteriosclerosis. Dr Oster's findings

> link the formation of the

> plaque which clogs arteries directly to ingesting

> homogenised milk.

>

> According to Dr Oster, with Dr Donald Ross of

> Fairfield University and Dr John Zikakis of the

> University of Delaware, homogenising

> allows the enzyme xanthine oxidase (XO) to pass

> intact into the blood stream. There it attacks the

> plasmologen tissue of the artery

> walls and parts of the heart muscle. This causes

> lesions that the body tries to heal by laying down a

> protective layer of

> cholesterol. The end result is scar tissue and

> calcified plaques with a build-up of cholesterol and

> other fatty deposits. We call

> these arteriosclerosis and atherosclerosis.

> According to these experts, dietary cholesterol is

> not the main cause of heart attacks;

> it is homogenised milk.

>

> Finns consume about 272kg of milk each per year; 90

> percent is homogenised, meaning 245kg of homogenised

> milk per Finn per year.

>

> Swedes drink about 60 percent as much milk, but only

> two percent of it is homogenised (only 4.9kg per

> year). The heart attack death

> rate in Finland is more than three times the Swedish

> level (about 245/100,000 compared with only

> 75/100,000). These statistics

> should serve to warn us that something is seriously

> wrong.

>

> Homogenisation could also be one of the major

> reasons for allergies to milk. As Dr Oski said in

> the finish of his disturbing book,

> Don't Drink Your Milk,4 " Milk has no valid claim as

> the perfect food. As nutrition, it produces

> allergies in infants, diarrhoea and

> cramps in the older child and adult, and may be a

> factor in the development of heart attacks and

> strokes. "

>

> Fragmenting the fats - how it works

>

> When milk is not homogenised two important

> constituents - Xanthine oxidase (XO) and the cream -

> are digested first in our stomachs

> and then in the small intestine. These digested

> components are then metabolised normally by our

> body. According to Dr Oster's

> studies, homogenising allows a large portion of the

> XO and fat molecules to pass straight into the

> bloodstream unaltered.

>

> Homogenisation forces the milk under extreme

> pressure, through tiny holes. This breaks up the

> normally large fat particles into tiny

> ones and forces the fat to form tiny molecular

> clusters, thus ensuring that the molecules do not

> regroup and form a cream layer on

> top of the milk. Instead, in this denatured state,

> they stay suspended in the milk. However, not only

> do they not regroup, the

> process also makes digestion almost impossible. The

> tiny molecules enter the bloodstream directly as

> undigested fat - not exactly

> the best for human health.

>

> Xanthine oxidase has a very specific function in our

> bodies. It breaks down purine compounds into uric

> acid, which is a waste

> product. The liver of several animals, including

> humans, contains Xanthine oxidase specifically for

> this purpose.

>

> However, as Dr Oster said, " When foreign XO, such as

> that from cow's milk, enters the bloodstream it

> causes havoc by attacking

> specific targets within the artery walls. " The

> " specific target " which Dr Oster refers to, as

> mentioned earlier, is the plasmologen

> tissue making up the artery cell walls. Plasmologen

> is vital as it holds together the cell membranes

> within the artery walls. Any

> damage from foreign Xanthine oxidase causes lesions

> to the artery walls. The body, in its efforts to

> protect and repair them,

> immediately responds by " patching " the damage with

> calcified plaque. In the later stages of

> arteriosclerosis and atherosclerosis,

> arteries lose their elasticity as additional calcium

> is deposited. Calcification of the arteries can

> contribute to high blood

> pressure which is actually not a disease by itself,

> merely a symptom. It has been found in some samples

> that plasmologen was missing

> in artery wall lesions and plaques. The mystery was

> solved when researchers found XO in th plaques. The

> two substances cannot

> co-exist.

>

> So what should we do?

>

> Firstly, we must minimise non-preferred fats in the

> diet. Preferred fats include fish oils and seafood

> oils, evening primrose oil,

> flaxseed oil, olive oil, and small amounts of

> butter. Non-preferred fats include homogenised milk

> fats, processed oils, margarine

> and excess animal fat. The use of trans-fatty acids

> (bad fats) potentially results in deterioration of

> cell membranes and a

> degradation of the immune system.

>

> Even standard milk pasteurisation brings problems

>

> It changes calcium into an insoluble form which we

> can no longer absorb.

>

> The old myth that you can get calcium from milk is

> very shaky indeed and we have major increases in

> osteoporosis even though plenty

> of milk is consumed.1

>

> It is a common misconception that dairy products are

> a good source of calcium. But the amount of

> phosphorus also in milk blocks its

> absorption. People who drink a lot of milk have even

> been found to have a higher incidence of

> osteoporosis.

>

> Furthermore, the Lee Foundation for Nutritional

> Research has shown that pasteurisation destroys the

> vitamin A, around 38 percent of

> the vitamin B complex, and about 50 percent of the

> vitamin C content of milk.

>

> Research has also shown that an anti-cancer

> metabolite contained in raw milk is destroyed in

> pasteurisation, and many enzymes are

>

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July 10, 2004

Thanks for posting this Jeff.

I don't agree with the article though in saying that because milk is homogenized it is therefore no longer organic.

As far as I know, homogenization process does not involve adding anything to the milk.

Organic does not necessarily mean *raw*, or *unprocessed*! Organic means no additives, the ingredients haven't been played around with with synthetic ingredients, organic means natural. Commercial organic milk is not *raw* milk, but it IS organic.

love

Lisa

-

Jeff Castor

herbal remedies

Friday, July 09, 2004 10:30 PM

Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Milk - Hazard or Cure? Scientist Robert Anderson exposes a myth behind New Zealand's favourite health food. http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:NmAwnL-mZ50J:www.organicnz.pl.net/pastissues/marapr03/milk.rtf+Kurt+A.+Oster & hl=en & start=65 & ie=UTF-8 Is anything more aggravating than buying what you understand to be organic food only to discover that it is not organic and that industry has, once again, "meddled" with it? My wife returned from a supermarket recently having purchased a bottle of "Simply Organic" milk. On reading the label more closely we found it was nothing of the sort. In the fine print we read that, as well as being pasteurised, this so called "organic milk" was also homogenised.

July 10, 2004

Hey Lisa,

Initially, my thinking was similar to yours. Yet I think the author perceives to a degree, and I would tend to somewhat agree, that the pasteurization & homogenization process 'is' something that is "added" to the milk and also alters the milk from its "natural state" as it does change the structure of the raw milk.

Perhaps the authors discussion should have been addressed to the pasteurization process, which precludes the homogenization process of milk, where high heat applied during the pasteurization, alters the content of vitamins & minerals?

I suppose this issue may be similar to "Organic Flour". Removal of the chaff and bran of grain may still redeem the product as organic. But don't chlorinate the flour? It's OK to refine a product as long as no other 'ingredients' are added? Oy! ;-)

Jeff

Lisa Belcher [lisabelcher] Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:58 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Thanks for posting this Jeff.

I don't agree with the article though in saying that because milk is homogenized it is therefore no longer organic.

As far as I know, homogenization process does not involve adding anything to the milk.

Organic does not necessarily mean *raw*, or *unprocessed*! Organic means no additives, the ingredients haven't been played around with with synthetic ingredients, organic means natural. Commercial organic milk is not *raw* milk, but it IS organic.

love

Lisa

-

Jeff Castor

herbal remedies

Friday, July 09, 2004 10:30 PM

Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Milk - Hazard or Cure? Scientist Robert Anderson exposes a myth behind New Zealand's favourite health food. http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:NmAwnL-mZ50J:www.organicnz.pl.net/pastissues/marapr03/milk.rtf+Kurt+A.+Oster & hl=en & start=65 & ie=UTF-8 Is anything more aggravating than buying what you understand to be organic food only to discover that it is not organic and that industry has, once again, "meddled" with it? My wife returned from a supermarket recently having purchased a bottle of "Simply Organic" milk. On reading the label more closely we found it was nothing of the sort. In the fine print we read that, as well as being pasteurised, this so called "organic milk" was also homogenised. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

July 10, 2004

Thanks jl. I never thought of irridation as cold pasteurization. Though it certainly sounds like it is!

jl [jl] Friday, July 09, 2004 11:00 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Hi Jeff,I am new to the list so if I am repeating what othersalready know I apologize in advance. All I wanted to add was that I read that all foodcoming from Hawaii is irradiated. This is why amongstother reasons you can't find organic pineapple.Also, irradiation is also referred to as "coldpastuerization"Hope this was helpful.jl--- Jeff Castor <jeff.castor wrote:> > Milk - Hazard or Cure? > > > Scientist Robert Anderson exposes a myth behind New> Zealand's favourite health food. > >http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:NmAwnL-mZ50J:www.organicnz.pl.net/pastissues/marapr03/milk.rtf+Kurt+A.+Oster><http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:NmAwnL-mZ50J:www.organicnz.pl.net/pastissues/marapr03/milk.rtf+Kurt+A.+Oster & hl=en & start=65 & ie> =UTF-8> & hl=en & start=65 & ie=UTF-8 > > Is anything more aggravating than buying what you> understand to be organic food only to discover that> it is not organic and that> industry has, once again, "meddled" with it? > > My wife returned from a supermarket recently having> purchased a bottle of "Simply Organic" milk. On> reading the label more closely> we found it was nothing of the sort. In the fine> print we read that, as well as being pasteurised,> this so called "organic milk" was> also homogenised. > > But, you ask, "homogenising was developed for the> benefit of consumers, surely?" Not true.> Homogenising was developed to reduce the> fat particles to such a fine extent they no longer> separate out, so that the milk lasts longer on the> shelf. It is only one of many> processes food is now subjected to entirely for> commercial purposes. Consumers have to contend with> foods being irradiated,> genetically engineered, homogenised and processed> using any other novel method that will benefit the> corporations producing it.> Homogenising extends milk shelf-life to 11 days or> so. It has no beneficial food value; in fact, the> very opposite. > > According to government statistics, 50 percent of> New Zealanders die from heart disease, 25 percent> from cancer and five percent> from diabetes. Now, it seems, homogenised milk may> be a leading contributor. > > Dr Kurt Oster, head of cardiology in Connecticut,> has been researching and gathering evidence about> homogenised milk for over 20> years. This questionable process began being> introduced by dairy companies as far back as 1932.> Most of the milk consumed in the US> is now homogenised. Dr Oster's findings conclusively> show that in the process of extending shelf life and> stopping the cream> separating out of milk, medicine has a clear culprit> for increased arteriosclerosis. Dr Oster's findings> link the formation of the> plaque which clogs arteries directly to ingesting> homogenised milk. > > According to Dr Oster, with Dr Donald Ross of> Fairfield University and Dr John Zikakis of the> University of Delaware, homogenising> allows the enzyme xanthine oxidase (XO) to pass> intact into the blood stream. There it attacks the> plasmologen tissue of the artery> walls and parts of the heart muscle. This causes> lesions that the body tries to heal by laying down a> protective layer of> cholesterol. The end result is scar tissue and> calcified plaques with a build-up of cholesterol and> other fatty deposits. We call> these arteriosclerosis and atherosclerosis.> According to these experts, dietary cholesterol is> not the main cause of heart attacks;> it is homogenised milk. > > Finns consume about 272kg of milk each per year; 90> percent is homogenised, meaning 245kg of homogenised> milk per Finn per year. > > Swedes drink about 60 percent as much milk, but only> two percent of it is homogenised (only 4.9kg per> year). The heart attack death> rate in Finland is more than three times the Swedish> level (about 245/100,000 compared with only> 75/100,000). These statistics> should serve to warn us that something is seriously> wrong. > > Homogenisation could also be one of the major> reasons for allergies to milk. As Dr Oski said in> the finish of his disturbing book,> Don't Drink Your Milk,4 "Milk has no valid claim as> the perfect food. As nutrition, it produces> allergies in infants, diarrhoea and> cramps in the older child and adult, and may be a> factor in the development of heart attacks and> strokes." > > > Fragmenting the fats - how it works > > When milk is not homogenised two important> constituents - Xanthine oxidase (XO) and the cream -> are digested first in our stomachs> and then in the small intestine. These digested> components are then metabolised normally by our> body. According to Dr Oster's> studies, homogenising allows a large portion of the> XO and fat molecules to pass straight into the> bloodstream unaltered. > > Homogenisation forces the milk under extreme> pressure, through tiny holes. This breaks up the> normally large fat particles into tiny> ones and forces the fat to form tiny molecular> clusters, thus ensuring that the molecules do not> regroup and form a cream layer on> top of the milk. Instead, in this denatured state,> they stay suspended in the milk. However, not only> do they not regroup, the> process also makes digestion almost impossible. The> tiny molecules enter the bloodstream directly as> undigested fat - not exactly> the best for human health. > > Xanthine oxidase has a very specific function in our> bodies. It breaks down purine compounds into uric> acid, which is a waste> product. The liver of several animals, including> humans, contains Xanthine oxidase specifically for> this purpose. > > However, as Dr Oster said, "When foreign XO, such as> that from cow's milk, enters the bloodstream it> causes havoc by attacking> specific targets within the artery walls." The> "specific target" which Dr Oster refers to, as> mentioned earlier, is the plasmologen> tissue making up the artery cell walls. Plasmologen> is vital as it holds together the cell membranes> within the artery walls. Any> damage from foreign Xanthine oxidase causes lesions> to the artery walls. The body, in its efforts to> protect and repair them,> immediately responds by "patching" the damage with> calcified plaque. In the later stages of> arteriosclerosis and atherosclerosis,> arteries lose their elasticity as additional calcium> is deposited. Calcification of the arteries can> contribute to high blood> pressure which is actually not a disease by itself,> merely a symptom. It has been found in some samples> that plasmologen was missing> in artery wall lesions and plaques. The mystery was> solved when researchers found XO in th plaques. The> two substances cannot> co-exist. > > > So what should we do? > > Firstly, we must minimise non-preferred fats in the> diet. Preferred fats include fish oils and seafood> oils, evening primrose oil,> flaxseed oil, olive oil, and small amounts of> butter. Non-preferred fats include homogenised milk> fats, processed oils, margarine> and excess animal fat. The use of trans-fatty acids> (bad fats) potentially results in deterioration of> cell membranes and a> degradation of the immune system. > > Even standard milk pasteurisation brings problems > > It changes calcium into an insoluble form which we> can no longer absorb. > > The old myth that you can get calcium from milk is> very shaky indeed and we have major increases in> osteoporosis even though plenty> of milk is consumed.1 > > It is a common misconception that dairy products are> a good source of calcium. But the amount of> phosphorus also in milk blocks its> absorption. People who drink a lot of milk have even> been found to have a higher incidence of> osteoporosis. > > Furthermore, the Lee Foundation for Nutritional> Research has shown that pasteurisation destroys the> vitamin A, around 38 percent of> the vitamin B complex, and about 50 percent of the> vitamin C content of milk. > > Research has also shown that an anti-cancer> metabolite contained in raw milk is destroyed in> pasteurisation, and many enzymes are> === message truncated ===Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

July 10, 2004

so what is this article saying? don't drink raw milk either?

what about raw milk yogurt?

elizabeth

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Jeff Castor

herbal remedies

Friday, July 09, 2004 5:30 PM

Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Milk - Hazard or Cure? Scientist Robert Anderson exposes a myth behind New Zealand's favourite health food. http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:NmAwnL-mZ50J:www.organicnz.pl.net/pastissues/marapr03/milk.rtf+Kurt+A.+Oster & hl=en & start=65 & ie=UTF-8 Is anything more aggravating than buying what you understand to be organic food only to discover that it is not organic and that industry has, once again, "meddled" with it? My wife returned from a supermarket recently having purchased a bottle of "Simply Organic" milk. On reading the label more closely we found it was nothing of the sort. In the fine print we read that, as well as being pasteurised, this so called "organic milk" was also homogenised. But, you ask, "homogenising was developed for the benefit of consumers, surely?" Not true. Homogenising was developed to reduce the fat particles to such a fine extent they no longer separate out, so that the milk lasts longer on the shelf. It is only one of many processes food is now subjected to entirely for commercial purposes. Consumers have to contend with foods being irradiated, genetically engineered, homogenised and processed using any other novel method that will benefit the corporations producing it. Homogenising extends milk shelf-life to 11 days or so. It has no beneficial food value; in fact, the very opposite. According to government statistics, 50 percent of New Zealanders die from heart disease, 25 percent from cancer and five percent from diabetes. Now, it seems, homogenised milk may be a leading contributor. Dr Kurt Oster, head of cardiology in Connecticut, has been researching and gathering evidence about homogenised milk for over 20 years. This questionable process began being introduced by dairy companies as far back as 1932. Most of the milk consumed in the US is now homogenised. Dr Oster's findings conclusively show that in the process of extending shelf life and stopping the cream separating out of milk, medicine has a clear culprit for increased arteriosclerosis. Dr Oster's findings link the formation of the plaque which clogs arteries directly to ingesting homogenised milk. According to Dr Oster, with Dr Donald Ross of Fairfield University and Dr John Zikakis of the University of Delaware, homogenising allows the enzyme xanthine oxidase (XO) to pass intact into the blood stream. There it attacks the plasmologen tissue of the artery walls and parts of the heart muscle. This causes lesions that the body tries to heal by laying down a protective layer of cholesterol. The end result is scar tissue and calcified plaques with a build-up of cholesterol and other fatty deposits. We call these arteriosclerosis and atherosclerosis. According to these experts, dietary cholesterol is not the main cause of heart attacks; it is homogenised milk. Finns consume about 272kg of milk each per year; 90 percent is homogenised, meaning 245kg of homogenised milk per Finn per year. Swedes drink about 60 percent as much milk, but only two percent of it is homogenised (only 4.9kg per year). The heart attack death rate in Finland is more than three times the Swedish level (about 245/100,000 compared with only 75/100,000). These statistics should serve to warn us that something is seriously wrong. Homogenisation could also be one of the major reasons for allergies to milk. As Dr Oski said in the finish of his disturbing book, Don't Drink Your Milk,4 "Milk has no valid claim as the perfect food. As nutrition, it produces allergies in infants, diarrhoea and cramps in the older child and adult, and may be a factor in the development of heart attacks and strokes." Fragmenting the fats - how it works When milk is not homogenised two important constituents - Xanthine oxidase (XO) and the cream - are digested first in our stomachs and then in the small intestine. These digested components are then metabolised normally by our body. According to Dr Oster's studies, homogenising allows a large portion of the XO and fat molecules to pass straight into the bloodstream unaltered. Homogenisation forces the milk under extreme pressure, through tiny holes. This breaks up the normally large fat particles into tiny ones and forces the fat to form tiny molecular clusters, thus ensuring that the molecules do not regroup and form a cream layer on top of the milk. Instead, in this denatured state, they stay suspended in the milk. However, not only do they not regroup, the process also makes digestion almost impossible. The tiny molecules enter the bloodstream directly as undigested fat - not exactly the best for human health. Xanthine oxidase has a very specific function in our bodies. It breaks down purine compounds into uric acid, which is a waste product. The liver of several animals, including humans, contains Xanthine oxidase specifically for this purpose. However, as Dr Oster said, "When foreign XO, such as that from cow's milk, enters the bloodstream it causes havoc by attacking specific targets within the artery walls." The "specific target" which Dr Oster refers to, as mentioned earlier, is the plasmologen tissue making up the artery cell walls. Plasmologen is vital as it holds together the cell membranes within the artery walls. Any damage from foreign Xanthine oxidase causes lesions to the artery walls. The body, in its efforts to protect and repair them, immediately responds by "patching" the damage with calcified plaque. In the later stages of arteriosclerosis and atherosclerosis, arteries lose their elasticity as additional calcium is deposited. Calcification of the arteries can contribute to high blood pressure which is actually not a disease by itself, merely a symptom. It has been found in some samples that plasmologen was missing in artery wall lesions and plaques. The mystery was solved when researchers found XO in th plaques. The two substances cannot co-exist. So what should we do? Firstly, we must minimise non-preferred fats in the diet. Preferred fats include fish oils and seafood oils, evening primrose oil, flaxseed oil, olive oil, and small amounts of butter. Non-preferred fats include homogenised milk fats, processed oils, margarine and excess animal fat. The use of trans-fatty acids (bad fats) potentially results in deterioration of cell membranes and a degradation of the immune system. Even standard milk pasteurisation brings problems It changes calcium into an insoluble form which we can no longer absorb. The old myth that you can get calcium from milk is very shaky indeed and we have major increases in osteoporosis even though plenty of milk is consumed.1 It is a common misconception that dairy products are a good source of calcium. But the amount of phosphorus also in milk blocks its absorption. People who drink a lot of milk have even been found to have a higher incidence of osteoporosis. Furthermore, the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research has shown that pasteurisation destroys the vitamin A, around 38 percent of the vitamin B complex, and about 50 percent of the vitamin C content of milk. Research has also shown that an anti-cancer metabolite contained in raw milk is destroyed in pasteurisation, and many enzymes are also damaged. A recent study by Auckland medical researchers,2 published in the latest issue of the New Zealand Medical Journal, also suggests a strong link between consuming milk with A1 beta-casein - which most New Zealanders consume each day - and heart disease and Type 1 diabetes. One of the most outspoken opponents of dairy products is American, Dr William Ellis, who said: "Over my 42 years of practice, I've performed more than 25,000 blood tests for my patients. These tests show conclusively, in my opinion, that adults who use milk products do not absorb nutrients as well as adults who don't. Of course, poor absorption, in turn, means chronic fatigue."3 While pasteurising may well ruin several valuable components in milk, homogenising makes it much worse. Robert Anderson Ph.D Robert Anderson Ph.D If you still opt to drink milk, make sure that you carefully read the label on your next bottle. Homogenised is not organic!Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

July 10, 2004

Jeff,

I see your point, but if I go with this analagy then my organic food is no longer organic if I use olive oil to cook with? I could see it if the olive oil weren't organic, though. I am under the same impression that lisa is.

Tammi

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Jeff Castor

herbal remedies

Saturday, July 10, 2004 5:52 AM

RE: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Hey Lisa,

Initially, my thinking was similar to yours. Yet I think the author perceives to a degree, and I would tend to somewhat agree, that the pasteurization & homogenization process 'is' something that is "added" to the milk and also alters the milk from its "natural state" as it does change the structure of the raw milk.

Perhaps the authors discussion should have been addressed to the pasteurization process, which precludes the homogenization process of milk, where high heat applied during the pasteurization, alters the content of vitamins & minerals?

I suppose this issue may be similar to "Organic Flour". Removal of the chaff and bran of grain may still redeem the product as organic. But don't chlorinate the flour? It's OK to refine a product as long as no other 'ingredients' are added? Oy! ;-)

Jeff

Lisa Belcher [lisabelcher] Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:58 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Thanks for posting this Jeff.

I don't agree with the article though in saying that because milk is homogenized it is therefore no longer organic.

As far as I know, homogenization process does not involve adding anything to the milk.

Organic does not necessarily mean *raw*, or *unprocessed*! Organic means no additives, the ingredients haven't been played around with with synthetic ingredients, organic means natural. Commercial organic milk is not *raw* milk, but it IS organic.

love

Lisa

-

Jeff Castor

herbal remedies

Friday, July 09, 2004 10:30 PM

Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Milk - Hazard or Cure? Scientist Robert Anderson exposes a myth behind New Zealand's favourite health food. http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:NmAwnL-mZ50J:www.organicnz.pl.net/pastissues/marapr03/milk.rtf+Kurt+A.+Oster & hl=en & start=65 & ie=UTF-8 Is anything more aggravating than buying what you understand to be organic food only to discover that it is not organic and that industry has, once again, "meddled" with it? My wife returned from a supermarket recently having purchased a bottle of "Simply Organic" milk. On reading the label more closely we found it was nothing of the sort. In the fine print we read that, as well as being pasteurised, this so called "organic milk" was also homogenised. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

July 10, 2004

Hi Jeff,

But cooking also alters the natural state, but that doesn't make my food any less organic!

I see a definite distinction between *organic* and *raw*.

love

Lisa

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Jeff Castor

herbal remedies

Saturday, July 10, 2004 11:52 AM

RE: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Hey Lisa,

Initially, my thinking was similar to yours. Yet I think the author perceives to a degree, and I would tend to somewhat agree, that the pasteurization & homogenization process 'is' something that is "added" to the milk and also alters the milk from its "natural state" as it does change the structure of the raw milk.

Perhaps the authors discussion should have been addressed to the pasteurization process, which precludes the homogenization process of milk, where high heat applied during the pasteurization, alters the content of vitamins & minerals?

I suppose this issue may be similar to "Organic Flour". Removal of the chaff and bran of grain may still redeem the product as organic. But don't chlorinate the flour? It's OK to refine a product as long as no other 'ingredients' are added? Oy! ;-)

Jeff

Lisa Belcher [lisabelcher] Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:58 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Thanks for posting this Jeff.

I don't agree with the article though in saying that because milk is homogenized it is therefore no longer organic.

As far as I know, homogenization process does not involve adding anything to the milk.

Organic does not necessarily mean *raw*, or *unprocessed*! Organic means no additives, the ingredients haven't been played around with with synthetic ingredients, organic means natural. Commercial organic milk is not *raw* milk, but it IS organic.

love

Lisa

-

Jeff Castor

herbal remedies

Friday, July 09, 2004 10:30 PM

Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Milk - Hazard or Cure? Scientist Robert Anderson exposes a myth behind New Zealand's favourite health food. http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:NmAwnL-mZ50J:www.organicnz.pl.net/pastissues/marapr03/milk.rtf+Kurt+A.+Oster & hl=en & start=65 & ie=UTF-8 Is anything more aggravating than buying what you understand to be organic food only to discover that it is not organic and that industry has, once again, "meddled" with it? My wife returned from a supermarket recently having purchased a bottle of "Simply Organic" milk. On reading the label more closely we found it was nothing of the sort. In the fine print we read that, as well as being pasteurised, this so called "organic milk" was also homogenised. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

July 10, 2004

Thank you lisa, this was what I was trying to say,but doing a poor job of it:)

Tammi

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Lisa Belcher

herbal remedies

Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:53 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Hi Jeff,

But cooking also alters the natural state, but that doesn't make my food any less organic!

I see a definite distinction between *organic* and *raw*.

July 11, 2004

My sister had horrible ear infections when she was little and my parents somehow figured out it was from either the pasteurization or the homogenization of the milk and got her raw milk from a farmer my dad worked for. No more ear infections.

My cousin had docs ready to put tubes in his ears he was constantly getting ear infections. My mom told his mom to give him raw milk and she did. No more ear infections.... until she decided it was too far to drive to go to this farmer's house. (1/2 hour)

Then her son got his ear infections back and she put tubes in his ears.

Candace

-

Jeff Castor

herbal remedies

Saturday, July 10, 2004 5:52 AM

RE: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Hey Lisa,

Initially, my thinking was similar to yours. Yet I think the author perceives to a degree, and I would tend to somewhat agree, that the pasteurization & homogenization process 'is' something that is "added" to the milk and also alters the milk from its "natural state" as it does change the structure of the raw milk.

Perhaps the authors discussion should have been addressed to the pasteurization process, which precludes the homogenization process of milk, where high heat applied during the pasteurization, alters the content of vitamins & minerals?

I suppose this issue may be similar to "Organic Flour". Removal of the chaff and bran of grain may still redeem the product as organic. But don't chlorinate the flour? It's OK to refine a product as long as no other 'ingredients' are added? Oy! ;-)

Jeff

Lisa Belcher [lisabelcher] Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:58 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Thanks for posting this Jeff.

I don't agree with the article though in saying that because milk is homogenized it is therefore no longer organic.

As far as I know, homogenization process does not involve adding anything to the milk.

Organic does not necessarily mean *raw*, or *unprocessed*! Organic means no additives, the ingredients haven't been played around with with synthetic ingredients, organic means natural. Commercial organic milk is not *raw* milk, but it IS organic.

love

Lisa

-

Jeff Castor

herbal remedies

Friday, July 09, 2004 10:30 PM

Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Milk - Hazard or Cure? Scientist Robert Anderson exposes a myth behind New Zealand's favourite health food. http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:NmAwnL-mZ50J:www.organicnz.pl.net/pastissues/marapr03/milk.rtf+Kurt+A.+Oster & hl=en & start=65 & ie=UTF-8 Is anything more aggravating than buying what you understand to be organic food only to discover that it is not organic and that industry has, once again, "meddled" with it? My wife returned from a supermarket recently having purchased a bottle of "Simply Organic" milk. On reading the label more closely we found it was nothing of the sort. In the fine print we read that, as well as being pasteurised, this so called "organic milk" was also homogenised. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

July 11, 2004

I haven't been able to find raw milk in the UK. think it's illegal or something. haven't been able to get a straight answer to that yet from my research.

Question, was she getting organic milk prior to the raw, or just non-organic commercial milk?

love

Lisa

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Candace Podratz

herbal remedies

Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:26 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

My sister had horrible ear infections when she was little and my parents somehow figured out it was from either the pasteurization or the homogenization of the milk and got her raw milk from a farmer my dad worked for. No more ear infections.

My cousin had docs ready to put tubes in his ears he was constantly getting ear infections. My mom told his mom to give him raw milk and she did. No more ear infections.... until she decided it was too far to drive to go to this farmer's house. (1/2 hour)

Then her son got his ear infections back and she put tubes in his ears.

Candace

-

Jeff Castor

herbal remedies

Saturday, July 10, 2004 5:52 AM

RE: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Hey Lisa,

Initially, my thinking was similar to yours. Yet I think the author perceives to a degree, and I would tend to somewhat agree, that the pasteurization & homogenization process 'is' something that is "added" to the milk and also alters the milk from its "natural state" as it does change the structure of the raw milk.

Perhaps the authors discussion should have been addressed to the pasteurization process, which precludes the homogenization process of milk, where high heat applied during the pasteurization, alters the content of vitamins & minerals?

I suppose this issue may be similar to "Organic Flour". Removal of the chaff and bran of grain may still redeem the product as organic. But don't chlorinate the flour? It's OK to refine a product as long as no other 'ingredients' are added? Oy! ;-)

Jeff

Lisa Belcher [lisabelcher] Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:58 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Thanks for posting this Jeff.

I don't agree with the article though in saying that because milk is homogenized it is therefore no longer organic.

As far as I know, homogenization process does not involve adding anything to the milk.

Organic does not necessarily mean *raw*, or *unprocessed*! Organic means no additives, the ingredients haven't been played around with with synthetic ingredients, organic means natural. Commercial organic milk is not *raw* milk, but it IS organic.

love

Lisa

-

Jeff Castor

herbal remedies

Friday, July 09, 2004 10:30 PM

Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Milk - Hazard or Cure? Scientist Robert Anderson exposes a myth behind New Zealand's favourite health food. http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:NmAwnL-mZ50J:www.organicnz.pl.net/pastissues/marapr03/milk.rtf+Kurt+A.+Oster & hl=en & start=65 & ie=UTF-8 Is anything more aggravating than buying what you understand to be organic food only to discover that it is not organic and that industry has, once again, "meddled" with it? My wife returned from a supermarket recently having purchased a bottle of "Simply Organic" milk. On reading the label more closely we found it was nothing of the sort. In the fine print we read that, as well as being pasteurised, this so called "organic milk" was also homogenised. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

July 11, 2004

Just regular ole store bought milk.

Know what's gross; a friend of DH's dad is getting certified organic within the next few days (he's a dairy farmer) and DH says the somatic cell count in his milk is 4 times higher than the non organic dairy farm he works for every other weekend.

blaugh!

Candace

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Lisa Belcher

herbal remedies

Sunday, July 11, 2004 3:35 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

I haven't been able to find raw milk in the UK. think it's illegal or something. haven't been able to get a straight answer to that yet from my research.

Question, was she getting organic milk prior to the raw, or just non-organic commercial milk?

love

Lisa

-

Candace Podratz

herbal remedies

Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:26 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

My sister had horrible ear infections when she was little and my parents somehow figured out it was from either the pasteurization or the homogenization of the milk and got her raw milk from a farmer my dad worked for. No more ear infections.

My cousin had docs ready to put tubes in his ears he was constantly getting ear infections. My mom told his mom to give him raw milk and she did. No more ear infections.... until she decided it was too far to drive to go to this farmer's house. (1/2 hour)

Then her son got his ear infections back and she put tubes in his ears.

Candace

-

Jeff Castor

herbal remedies

Saturday, July 10, 2004 5:52 AM

RE: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Hey Lisa,

Initially, my thinking was similar to yours. Yet I think the author perceives to a degree, and I would tend to somewhat agree, that the pasteurization & homogenization process 'is' something that is "added" to the milk and also alters the milk from its "natural state" as it does change the structure of the raw milk.

Perhaps the authors discussion should have been addressed to the pasteurization process, which precludes the homogenization process of milk, where high heat applied during the pasteurization, alters the content of vitamins & minerals?

I suppose this issue may be similar to "Organic Flour". Removal of the chaff and bran of grain may still redeem the product as organic. But don't chlorinate the flour? It's OK to refine a product as long as no other 'ingredients' are added? Oy! ;-)

Jeff

Lisa Belcher [lisabelcher] Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:58 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Thanks for posting this Jeff.

I don't agree with the article though in saying that because milk is homogenized it is therefore no longer organic.

As far as I know, homogenization process does not involve adding anything to the milk.

Organic does not necessarily mean *raw*, or *unprocessed*! Organic means no additives, the ingredients haven't been played around with with synthetic ingredients, organic means natural. Commercial organic milk is not *raw* milk, but it IS organic.

love

Lisa

-

Jeff Castor

herbal remedies

Friday, July 09, 2004 10:30 PM

Herbal Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Milk - Hazard or Cure? Scientist Robert Anderson exposes a myth behind New Zealand's favourite health food. http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:NmAwnL-mZ50J:www.organicnz.pl.net/pastissues/marapr03/milk.rtf+Kurt+A.+Oster & hl=en & start=65 & ie=UTF-8 Is anything more aggravating than buying what you understand to be organic food only to discover that it is not organic and that industry has, once again, "meddled" with it? My wife returned from a supermarket recently having purchased a bottle of "Simply Organic" milk. On reading the label more closely we found it was nothing of the sort. In the fine print we read that, as well as being pasteurised, this so called "organic milk" was also homogenised. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

July 12, 2004

Could be, lot’s of places here,

(maybe everywhere??) it’s illegal. Something to do with food born

illnesses and liability.

Liz

Lisa Belcher

[lisabelcher]

Sunday, July 11, 2004 4:35

AM

herbal remedies

Re: Herbal Remedies - OT

- Milk - Hazard or Cure?

I haven't been able to find raw milk in the UK. think it's

illegal or something. haven't been able to get a straight answer to that yet

from my research.

Question, was she getting organic milk prior to the raw, or

just non-organic commercial milk?

love

Lisa

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Candace Podratz

herbal remedies

Sunday, July 11,

2004 7:26 AM

Re: Herbal

Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

My sister had horrible ear infections when she was little

and my parents somehow figured out it was from either the pasteurization or the

homogenization of the milk and got her raw milk from a farmer my dad worked

for. No more ear infections.

My cousin had docs ready to put tubes in his ears he was

constantly getting ear infections. My mom told his mom to give him raw milk and

she did. No more ear infections.... until she decided it was too far to drive

to go to this farmer's house. (1/2 hour)

Then her son got his ear infections back and she put tubes

in his ears.

Candace

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Jeff

Castor

herbal remedies

Saturday, July 10,

2004 5:52 AM

RE: Herbal

Remedies - OT - Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Hey Lisa,

Initially, my thinking

was similar to yours. Yet I think the author perceives to a degree, and I

would tend to somewhat agree, that the pasteurization & homogenization

process 'is' something that is " added " to the milk and also

alters the milk from its " natural state " as it does change the

structure of the raw milk.

Perhaps the authors

discussion should have been addressed to the pasteurization process, which

precludes the homogenization process of milk, where high heat applied during

the pasteurization, alters the content of vitamins & minerals?

I suppose this

issue may be similar to " Organic Flour " . Removal of the

chaff and bran of grain may still redeem the product as organic. But

don't chlorinate the flour? It's OK to refine a product as long as no

other 'ingredients' are added? Oy! ;-)

Jeff

Lisa

Belcher [lisabelcher]

Saturday, July 10, 2004 3:58

AM

herbal remedies

Re: Herbal Remedies - OT

- Milk - Hazard or Cure?

Thanks for posting this Jeff.

I don't agree with the article though in saying that because

milk is homogenized it is therefore no longer organic.

As far as I know, homogenization process does not involve

adding anything to the milk.

Organic does not necessarily mean *raw*, or *unprocessed*!

Organic means no additives, the ingredients haven't been played around with

with synthetic ingredients, organic means natural. Commercial organic milk

is not *raw* milk, but it IS organic.

love

Lisa

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Jeff

Castor