Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 T hanks to all who responded. I ODed on the MD meds, so now it has sort of stopped it looks like so far. I hate those things--progesterone. All I know is that I am turning into a boy--getting flatter chested. But I haven't grown a ... oh, never mind. I have seen 4 MDs in the last almost two years. This prescription is the only thing that has worked for me to cut back on the nearly hemorrhaging every month. But then it has its own drawbacks--miss an hour or so, and you will start bleeding. And once you start, forget stopping for days. I have almost always kept bleeding for five days (which is the time frame for a normal cycle for me--but what is normal?) The weird thing is that I have started passing blood clots almost immediately while on this med. I never did that before the last couple of years, and it seems that something is wrong. I don't think that is normal at any age. To me, that says there is something really not right somewhere. Then as I slow down (taking heavy meds), then I get to passing really dark, slimy blood and clots. And it is nasty looking and grosses me out. Well, you can imagine how my husband feels who has a thing about blood at all! (Is it anything like riding a bike cuz I forget.) And then, somehow my system gets all messed up, and I get really emotional like I was really having a cycle. Then I get pissed that this has not been resolved in nearly 2 years. And then I get pissed that my husband doesn't want to be with me (but then I can understand, I don't either). So along with the physical ick, I feel the emotional ick and the bad attitude ick. And all it takes is one two hour miss and I am at it again. I have not talked to Doc yet. I am leaving on vacation for a week tomorrow, and I will have to call him when I get back. In the meantime, I will just OD. I am going to quit the meds (MD told me to) so we can see what happens. But last time, it was 12 days of bleeding black blood and clots until it finally decided "oh well, I guess I won't make her miserable any more" and it dwindled off. But 10 days later, it was back just the same--another 10 days or so. I thought I'd go out of my mind! I hate this. So I don't think it will be a week of self-imposed hell, but if it works as it did the last time, it will be 21 days out of 30 that I have self-imposed hell. You know, all the MD could say was "let's just quit the meds, and see what happens." I mean, think about that. I know that you bled 21 out of 31 days last time, but let's try that again. Sure, and I won't have a life. On top of it, they thought that taking this sh** would cause me not to have PMS. My husband thinks it is worse than it was before. He has said more than once "I'll be glad when you get off of that." So imagine how that makes me feel. Shall I stop it, or shall I do the cleanse first and then get off? I really don't want the grief of this 21/31 thing any more. It just brings tears to my eyes to consider it. From a woman's perspective and all the women I've ever known, having a period for two days every several months would be acceptable. We could up the thing when we wanted to get pregnant, but having this irritating thing once a month is bad enough, but 21/31 days! Now that is ridiculous. Kay Kay, If everything seems so bad why not try coming off permanently and after a week of self imposed hell see if it at least slows. Have you asked Doc about it yet? Zeb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 I'm going to go out on a limb here, because this is not something I'm well versed on, but what about completely analyzing your diet? I believe some foods affect your hormone levels - (has anyone done a thorough hormone workup on you?) It may be possible to cut back on some of the foods that have estrogenic properties, and find some relief that way. Again, though like the other suggestions, natural remedies will take a bit longer to work. The only experience I've had with heavy painful periods was because I have been preggo or breastfeeding for the last eight years. Before last November, I'd only had three periods in 7 1/2 years. When I started back, man did I hurt. I could not even physically sit down with out crying at first. Walking on the first day of my cycle was excruciating. The only comfortable position I could get into was flat on my stomach or on my stomach with my booty in the air. (Let me tell ya that brings about a sense of vulnerablity:-P I take chasteberry (vitex), and calcium which has helped, but in my situation it was because, as a doctor friend of mine put it, I was going through my "second puberty" my body had to get used to doing the monthly thing again. Here is my two cents - not that anyone asked, but here it is anyway:-) Get off the meds - if MD said it was okay. Speak with Doc, and stick to one regimin, and don't give up. Have you done or considered being examined while you are bleeding? It's gross. I didn't like it, and to my knowledge nor do the doctors, but the way that I understand it is that sometimes the doctor has to actually see what's happening in your body when it's happening. Now, I'm also going to share my own personal experience about Doc and this list. When I first came onto the list and looked through the files I thought "What have I gotten myself into? This is way out there, even for me. I'm never gonna fit in here. I'm not even going to come close to being this extreme" (Funny, I said the same thing about breastfeeding. I've nursed 4 children - 2 past the age of 2 1/2 and the 20 month old is still going strong) I stuck with the list (mostly lurking) because I knew enough about natural remedies to know that there were some good "nuggets" of info that I would be hard pressed to find anywhere else. Well, the folks on this list rubbed off on me, I'm slowly getting "way out there" myself, thanks to Doc and all the wonderful folks on this list. I'm really glad I found this list. Tammi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 I whole-heartedly agree!! I would probably be dead now if I had not found these people! The people involved are incredible. JohnTammi Upshaw <da_good_stuff wrote: I'm really glad I found this list. Tammi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 Kay, My regular cycles sound alot like your clotting problems. I go through that every month and it never fails to make me think I've miscarried even though I'm "fixed". When you do the cleanse, you should not take the meds if you can avoid it. Part of the problem may be that your body has become too dependent on them to keep from bleeding and hasn't healed itself properly. Getting off the meds during the cleanse will get it all out of your system, which may prove to be quite helpful. But, make sure you ask Doc this when you call him. Now would be a good time to start charting what you eat, when you are bleeding, when you are taking meds, etc. Also, start writing down all your questions now so you don't forget them before you call him. I hope you have a fun vacation! Blessings, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 Thanks Angie. I wonder if getting fixed does that clotting thing? I would not have done it except I was on the table, cut open, and they sort of pressed me to do it. I wish I had not as I think it has caused tons of problems for me. Kay Angela Sill [angelasill]Friday, July 09, 2004 7:12 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Bleeding Still GRAPHIC! Kay, My regular cycles sound alot like your clotting problems. I go through that every month and it never fails to make me think I've miscarried even though I'm "fixed". When you do the cleanse, you should not take the meds if you can avoid it. Part of the problem may be that your body has become too dependent on them to keep from bleeding and hasn't healed itself properly. Getting off the meds during the cleanse will get it all out of your system, which may prove to be quite helpful. But, make sure you ask Doc this when you call him. Now would be a good time to start charting what you eat, when you are bleeding, when you are taking meds, etc. Also, start writing down all your questions now so you don't forget them before you call him. I hope you have a fun vacation! Blessings, Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 Kay, Law prohibits doctors from doing that so you may want to find out. Tubal ligations cannot be done without PRIOR consent and signed papers. It really pisses me off (sorry about my french) that so many doctors push infertility on women. I went in to mine with eyes wide open and I'm still glad I did it, but that is usually not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 It happened 8 years ago. I am probably way past doing anything about it. I didn't sign anything that I know of. I feel the same way. Why would drs perform surgery on a person without prior consent. Kay Angela Sill [angelasill]Friday, July 09, 2004 9:53 AMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - Bleeding Still GRAPHIC! Kay, Law prohibits doctors from doing that so you may want to find out. Tubal ligations cannot be done without PRIOR consent and signed papers. It really pisses me off (sorry about my french) that so many doctors push infertility on women. I went in to mine with eyes wide open and I'm still glad I did it, but that is usually not the case. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 Hi Kay, I am so sorry that your body is causing you such grief. I agree with you that this situation really needs to change for you. You have all my good thoughts and wishes for you behind that. When you get back from your vacation, give Doc a call immediately. Ask him specifically about getting off the meds (before or after the cleanse, although I think I know what he'll say) and what you need to do to get through this. I'm really hoping that this will all be over for you very quickly and you'll look back on this as a bad nightmare that's finally over. Best, Kelli Kay Fielding [berners] Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:11 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - Bleeding Still GRAPHIC! T hanks to all who responded. I ODed on the MD meds, so now it has sort of stopped it looks like so far. I hate those things--progesterone. All I know is that I am turning into a boy--getting flatter chested. But I haven't grown a ... oh, never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 Ditto for me too. My OB is still trying to get me to have my tubes tied. I refuse. He doesn't really push the issue, he just makes a point of reminding me that I have that option available to me. I get so sick and tired of people who say things like "Is this your last one?" or "Don't you know how to stop." or my personal favorite "did you get fixed this time" (what I'm a bitch now? So I should get spayed like one? I'm using the word in the "technical" sense.) Maybe, I don't want to do what everybody else does. Maybe, I've seen enough of my friends and family do it, and come out of it with more problems than before. And maybe, I'm a bit quirky on this one, but maybe I want to keep all my body parts. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Even if it is broke, unless it's killing me, I want "It in there" just like Prego (the spaghetti sauce) - ya know the slogan "It's in there" that's how I want my reproductive organs to stay. Sorry for the rant is just makes me so mad sometimes when people think that because I've got four kid's that I must not know how to control myself. I'm sure there are some women out there who can relate to that. Tammi - Angela Sill herbal remedies Friday, July 09, 2004 11:52 AM RE: Herbal Remedies - Bleeding Still GRAPHIC! Kay, Law prohibits doctors from doing that so you may want to find out. Tubal ligations cannot be done without PRIOR consent and signed papers. It really pisses me off (sorry about my french) that so many doctors push infertility on women. I went in to mine with eyes wide open and I'm still glad I did it, but that is usually not the case. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 I've never understood that saying... seems more like BROKEN to me!! LOL!!! Kelli Tammi Upshaw [da_good_stuff] Friday, July 09, 2004 1:34 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Bleeding Still GRAPHIC! "did you get fixed this time" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 It is too bad that we (people) get used to certain things 2 kids quota and think anyone who goes beyond the norm are out of control. Children are a wonderful gift, one,two,three,four, or ten. People say thoughtless things without realizing the effect. Make your own family happy. That is where we all have to start. At home. Tammi Upshaw <da_good_stuff wrote: Ditto for me too. My OB is still trying to get me to have my tubes tied. I refuse. He doesn't really push the issue, he just makes a point of reminding me that I have that option available to me. I get so sick and tired of people who say things like "Is this your last one?" or "Don't you know how to stop." or my personal favorite "did you get fixed this time" (what I'm a bitch now? So I should get spayed like one? I'm using the word in the "technical" sense.) Maybe, I don't want to do what everybody else does. Maybe, I've seen enough of my friends and family do it, and come out of it with more problems than before. And maybe, I'm a bit quirky on this one, but maybe I want to keep all my body parts. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Even if it is broke, unless it's killing me, I want "It in there" just like Prego (the spaghetti sauce) - ya know the slogan "It's in there" that's how I want my reproductive organs to stay. Sorry for the rant is just makes me so mad sometimes when people think that because I've got four kid's that I must not know how to control myself. I'm sure there are some women out there who can relate to that. Tammi - Angela Sill herbal remedies Friday, July 09, 2004 11:52 AM RE: Herbal Remedies - Bleeding Still GRAPHIC! Kay, Law prohibits doctors from doing that so you may want to find out. Tubal ligations cannot be done without PRIOR consent and signed papers. It really pisses me off (sorry about my french) that so many doctors push infertility on women. I went in to mine with eyes wide open and I'm still glad I did it, but that is usually not the case. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 Having mine done sent me right into a pseudo menopause. I would NEVER recommend it. Kay Ditto for me too. My OB is still trying to get me to have my tubes tied. I refuse. He doesn't really push the issue, he just makes a point of reminding me that I have that option available to me. I get so sick and tired of people who say things like "Is this your last one?" or "Don't you know how to stop." or my personal favorite "did you get fixed this time" (what I'm a bitch now? So I should get spayed like one? I'm using the word in the "technical" sense.) Maybe, I don't want to do what everybody else does. Maybe, I've seen enough of my friends and family do it, and come out of it with more problems than before. And maybe, I'm a bit quirky on this one, but maybe I want to keep all my body parts. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Even if it is broke, unless it's killing me, I want "It in there" just like Prego (the spaghetti sauce) - ya know the slogan "It's in there" that's how I want my reproductive organs to stay. Sorry for the rant is just makes me so mad sometimes when people think that because I've got four kid's that I must not know how to control myself. I'm sure there are some women out there who can relate to that. Tammi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 $$$$$$$ Kay Fielding [berners]Friday, July 09, 2004 9:25 AMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - Bleeding Still GRAPHIC! It happened 8 years ago. I am probably way past doing anything about it. I didn't sign anything that I know of. I feel the same way. Why would drs perform surgery on a person without prior consent. Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 You've only got 4 and they are telling you that?! Maybe it's because I'm LDS, but four is not that much. It really does bother me how callously people deal with having children. Sometimes I think they should just get a pet so they don't make children suffer \rant. -Shelby Kay Fielding [berners]Friday, July 09, 2004 2:46 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - Bleeding Still GRAPHIC! Having mine done sent me right into a pseudo menopause. I would NEVER recommend it. Kay Ditto for me too. My OB is still trying to get me to have my tubes tied. I refuse. He doesn't really push the issue, he just makes a point of reminding me that I have that option available to me. I get so sick and tired of people who say things like "Is this your last one?" or "Don't you know how to stop." or my personal favorite "did you get fixed this time" (what I'm a bitch now? So I should get spayed like one? I'm using the word in the "technical" sense.) Maybe, I don't want to do what everybody else does. Maybe, I've seen enough of my friends and family do it, and come out of it with more problems than before. And maybe, I'm a bit quirky on this one, but maybe I want to keep all my body parts. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Even if it is broke, unless it's killing me, I want "It in there" just like Prego (the spaghetti sauce) - ya know the slogan "It's in there" that's how I want my reproductive organs to stay. Sorry for the rant is just makes me so mad sometimes when people think that because I've got four kid's that I must not know how to control myself. I'm sure there are some women out there who can relate to that. Tammi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 I'm not LDS, but my mother was one of 9 kids (my grandmother had 10, but one was stillborn I think) and my dad was one of 6 kids. Even though, I was an only child we did a lot of stuff with the "extended" family - so I feel like I had the best of both worlds as an only child. I could be a part of a big family, but be alone when I wanted. Initially, I didn't want to have kids. And even though DH and I didn't plan on having the kiddos that we do have, I don't feel like four is too many. I wouldn't mind having another one, even twins! but if it doesn't happen then I'm more than content with what I have. I'm truly blessed to have these kids in my life. Tammi - Shelby Blakely herbal remedies Saturday, July 10, 2004 11:41 AM RE: Herbal Remedies - Bleeding Still GRAPHIC! You've only got 4 and they are telling you that?! Maybe it's because I'm LDS, but four is not that much. It really does bother me how callously people deal with having children. Sometimes I think they should just get a pet so they don't make children suffer \rant. -Shelby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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