Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Rik...Who makes the tea ? Maybe it is just detox turning on.Need more info as to what the tea is made from...Mary O - " Rik " <bliksemskater <herbal remedies > Sunday, July 04, 2004 3:29 PM Herbal Remedies - echinacea tea > hello all, > i have been drinking more tea lately and came across some herbal > echinacea tea. i thought, hey, let's try that. after drinking it i > felt a bit uncomfortable........ not sure what to think. maybe i > have to get used to it? on the box it has a bunch of warnings, but i > don't think i have any one of their troubles. anyone have a thought > about this or had the same experience perhaps? thanks, rik > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 hi mary, this is the link to the product i was talking about, with all the information that is written on the box. does a detox come on that quick? app. 30 minutes. thanks, rik. http://redirx.com/?gwkt herbal remedies , " Ostrowski " <Odesign1@e...> wrote: > Rik...Who makes the tea ? Maybe it is just detox turning on.Need more info > as to what the tea is made from...Mary O > - > " Rik " <bliksemskater> > <herbal remedies > > Sunday, July 04, 2004 3:29 PM > Herbal Remedies - echinacea tea > > > > hello all, > > i have been drinking more tea lately and came across some herbal > > echinacea tea. i thought, hey, let's try that. after drinking it i > > felt a bit uncomfortable........ not sure what to think. maybe i > > have to get used to it? on the box it has a bunch of warnings, but i > > don't think i have any one of their troubles. anyone have a thought > > about this or had the same experience perhaps? thanks, rik > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Ah, ok, thanks for the product info. There are other ingredients and I have a few comments. If you have an autoimmune disease such as AIDS or Lupus, you should stay away from echinacea as immune system stimulation is the last thing you need. However, I have heard from some herbalists that using the WHOLE plant makes it a tonic and not a stimulant. If you use just the above ground parts (flowers and leaves) then it is an immune stimulant and should only be used if truly coming down with something. As for the other ingredients, I see two laxitives- licorice and star anise. You should stay away from licorice if you have high blood pressure or have a tendency to retain water. Though, licorice is a great herb. It is used frequently in chinese herbalism and some consider it an adaptogen (balances adrenal gland function). My feeling? Unless you are taking it for a specific purpose, such as general malaise brought on by constipation, sluggish adrenals, and a sluggish immune system, I wouldn't drink this tea. The peppermint seems to be a flavor additive, but that is also stimulating, expels gas, and I've read in some sources that it is a mild blood cleanser. Hope this was helpful. herbal remedies , " Rik " <bliksemskater> wrote: > hi mary, this is the link to the product i was talking about, with > all the information that is written on the box. does a detox come on > that quick? app. 30 minutes. thanks, rik. > http://redirx.com/?gwkt > > > herbal remedies , " Ostrowski " <Odesign1@e...> > wrote: > > Rik...Who makes the tea ? Maybe it is just detox turning on.Need > more info > > as to what the tea is made from...Mary O > > - > > " Rik " <bliksemskater> > > <herbal remedies > > > Sunday, July 04, 2004 3:29 PM > > Herbal Remedies - echinacea tea > > > > > > > hello all, > > > i have been drinking more tea lately and came across some herbal > > > echinacea tea. i thought, hey, let's try that. after drinking > it i > > > felt a bit uncomfortable........ not sure what to think. maybe i > > > have to get used to it? on the box it has a bunch of warnings, > but i > > > don't think i have any one of their troubles. anyone have a > thought > > > about this or had the same experience perhaps? thanks, rik > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Please forgive my ignorance, and please realize I am not trying to be obtuse, but I have a question. Why would taking an immune system booster be bad for those with compromised immune systems? Thank you for all the wonderful information!! Johnk_huether77 <k_huether77 wrote: Ah, ok, thanks for the product info. There are other ingredients and I have a few comments. If you have an autoimmune disease such as AIDS or Lupus, you should stay away from echinacea as immune system stimulation is the last thing you need. However, I have heard from some herbalists that using the WHOLE plant makes it a tonic and not a stimulant. If you use just the above ground parts (flowers and leaves) then it is an immune stimulant and should only be used if truly coming down with something. As for the other ingredients, I see two laxitives- licorice and star anise. You should stay away from licorice if you have high blood pressure or have a tendency to retain water. Though, licorice is a great herb. It is used frequently in chinese herbalism and some consider it an adaptogen (balances adrenal gland function). My feeling? Unless you are taking it for a specific purpose, such as general malaise brought on by constipation, sluggish adrenals, and a sluggish immune system, I wouldn't drink this tea. The peppermint seems to be a flavor additive, but that is also stimulating, expels gas, and I've read in some sources that it is a mild blood cleanser. Hope this was helpful. New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Taking an immune tonic wouldn't be bad because it will help boost the system by nourishing it. Taking an immune stimulant would be bad because with auto-immune diseases, it is the immune system turning against the body, and against itself. By using an immune stimulant, you are encouraging the process whereby the body attacts itself. Katherine herbal remedies , John Ybarra <deuteronomy2929> wrote: > Please forgive my ignorance, and please realize I am not trying to be obtuse, but I have a question. Why would taking an immune system booster be bad for those with compromised immune systems? > > Thank you for all the wonderful information!! > > John > > k_huether77 <k_huether77> wrote: > Ah, ok, thanks for the product info. There are other ingredients and > I have a few comments. If you have an autoimmune disease such as AIDS > or Lupus, you should stay away from echinacea as immune system > stimulation is the last thing you need. However, I have heard from > some herbalists that using the WHOLE plant makes it a tonic and not a > stimulant. If you use just the above ground parts (flowers and > leaves) then it is an immune stimulant and should only be used if > truly coming down with something. As for the other ingredients, I see > two laxitives- licorice and star anise. You should stay away from > licorice if you have high blood pressure or have a tendency to retain > water. Though, licorice is a great herb. It is used frequently in > chinese herbalism and some consider it an adaptogen (balances adrenal > gland function). My feeling? Unless you are taking it for a specific > purpose, such as general malaise brought on by constipation, sluggish > adrenals, and a sluggish immune system, I wouldn't drink this tea. > The peppermint seems to be a flavor additive, but that is also > stimulating, expels gas, and I've read in some sources that it is a > mild blood cleanser. Hope this was helpful. > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Rik...What are you experiancing exactly ? YES a detox can come on that quick .. I will check out the box....Mary O - " Rik " <bliksemskater <herbal remedies > Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:11 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - echinacea tea/RIK > hi mary, this is the link to the product i was talking about, with > all the information that is written on the box. does a detox come on > that quick? app. 30 minutes. thanks, rik. > http://redirx.com/?gwkt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 My question exactly! And where did this data come from??? What book or experience did this research come from??? My research and experience has demonstrated the exact opposite. Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-738-0554DocShillington - John Ybarra herbal remedies Monday, July 05, 2004 9:46 AM Re: Herbal Remedies - echinacea tea/RIK Please forgive my ignorance, and please realize I am not trying to be obtuse, but I have a question. Why would taking an immune system booster be bad for those with compromised immune systems? Thank you for all the wonderful information!! Johnk_huether77 <k_huether77 wrote: Ah, ok, thanks for the product info. There are other ingredients and I have a few comments. If you have an autoimmune disease such as AIDS or Lupus, you should stay away from echinacea as immune system stimulation is the last thing you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 But AIDS is NOT an autoimmune disease, it is Acquired Immune Deficiency; horse of another feather. -- k_huether77 <k_huether77 wrote: > Ah, ok, thanks for the product info. There are other > ingredients and > I have a few comments. If you have an autoimmune > disease such as AIDS > or Lupus, you should stay away from echinacea as > immune system > stimulation is the last thing you need. However, I > have heard from > some herbalists that using the WHOLE plant makes it > a tonic and not a > stimulant. If you use just the above ground parts > (flowers and > leaves) then it is an immune stimulant and should > only be used if > truly coming down with something. As for the other > ingredients, I see > two laxitives- licorice and star anise. You should > stay away from > licorice if you have high blood pressure or have a > tendency to retain > water. Though, licorice is a great herb. It is used > frequently in > chinese herbalism and some consider it an adaptogen > (balances adrenal > gland function). My feeling? Unless you are taking > it for a specific > purpose, such as general malaise brought on by > constipation, sluggish > adrenals, and a sluggish immune system, I wouldn't > drink this tea. > The peppermint seems to be a flavor additive, but > that is also > stimulating, expels gas, and I've read in some > sources that it is a > mild blood cleanser. Hope this was helpful. > > herbal remedies , " Rik " > <bliksemskater> > wrote: > > hi mary, this is the link to the product i was > talking about, with > > all the information that is written on the box. > does a detox come > on > > that quick? app. 30 minutes. thanks, rik. > > http://redirx.com/?gwkt > > > > > > herbal remedies , > " Ostrowski " <Odesign1@e...> > > wrote: > > > Rik...Who makes the tea ? Maybe it is just detox > turning on.Need > > more info > > > as to what the tea is made from...Mary O > > > - > > > " Rik " <bliksemskater> > > > <herbal remedies > > > > Sunday, July 04, 2004 3:29 PM > > > Herbal Remedies - echinacea tea > > > > > > > > > > hello all, > > > > i have been drinking more tea lately and came > across some herbal > > > > echinacea tea. i thought, hey, let's try that. > after drinking > > it i > > > > felt a bit uncomfortable........ not sure what > to think. maybe > i > > > > have to get used to it? on the box it has a > bunch of warnings, > > but i > > > > don't think i have any one of their troubles. > anyone have a > > thought > > > > about this or had the same experience perhaps? > thanks, rik > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 Personally, I was just spitting back information that I have come across. For example, the German Commision E states that it is " Not to be used in systemic diseases such as tuberculosis, leukosis, collagenosis, multiple sclerosis, AIDS, HIV infection, and other autoimmune diseases " (p. 327) and actually lists it as an unapproved herb. And here is another aspect that makes this whole debate perplexing. They only list the warning for Echinacea augestifoliae, yet I see this quoted for Echinacea purpurea as well. For me? I don't use echinacea all that much, just at the onset of cold and flu symptoms and ONLY IF my other more favorite methods aren't working. I just don't get sick anymore. I've seen it mentioned in Susun Weed's literature about the immune tonic, immune stimulant difference and how the whole plant of Echinacea purpurea is a tonic (preparations made with the herb and root) and therefore CAN be used for autoimmune problems. So, already we see a controversy of information. People like Weed say one thing, the German Commision E says another. Which information to believe and take away? Who knows. It seems as if the supplement/food industry just slaps on every single warning that has ever existed for legal and liability purposes. And concerning licorice- it is a standard warning about the water retention and high blood pressure. BUT, I have a tendency to retain water, and I take licorice when I feel like it, and I like it and it doesn't make my retention worse (in face I think it makes mine better because my problems are hormone related and licorice has a tendency to help balance them)... I don't see a lot of information where people actually differentiate between immune stimulants and immune tonics. I believe it was Weed who explained the difference, and it made sense to me. I've heard that the warnings against Echinacea and autoimmune diseases are more anecdotal than scientific because people " believe " it causes an upsurge in the release of something or other that is T- Cell related.... It seems as if the German Commision E's release of the information I quoted, above, is what caused people to start spouting that off as a warning. Just my impression. Since there are two sides to this, it is up to the individual to believe what is comfortable for them because when you make the choice to take an herbal supplement, you are, in essence, becomming your own herbalist. Sorry for the ramble. It is just really perplexing how much information and counterinformation there exists for certain herbs like ephedra (I lurked here during the raging debate about that some time ago), echinacea, and comfrey. herbal remedies , " Doc Shillington " <DocShillington@V...> wrote: > My question exactly! > And where did this data come from??? What book or experience did this research come from??? > My research and experience has demonstrated the exact opposite. > Doc > > Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. > 727-738-0554 > DocShillington@V... > - > John Ybarra > herbal remedies > Monday, July 05, 2004 9:46 AM > Re: Herbal Remedies - echinacea tea/RIK > > > Please forgive my ignorance, and please realize I am not trying to be obtuse, but I have a question. Why would taking an immune system booster be bad for those with compromised immune systems? > > Thank you for all the wonderful information!! > > John > > k_huether77 <k_huether77> wrote: > Ah, ok, thanks for the product info. There are other ingredients and > I have a few comments. If you have an autoimmune disease such as AIDS > or Lupus, you should stay away from echinacea as immune system > stimulation is the last thing you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 Well actually, that is the problem. I am not sure if they REALLY do or not. I just know that some people think they do. Does that make sense? I am in the process of trying to sort the fact from the fiction concerning echinacea at the moment. lol. sorry! herbal remedies , John Ybarra <deuteronomy2929> wrote: > So, the leaf and the root have differing properties? I didn't know this. What is the difference? Thanks for the information!!! > > John > > k_huether77 <k_huether77> wrote: > Yikes, it sounds like your friend could be doing A LOT differently. > > Anyway, I am not sure about Echinacea for it or not. Some say yes, > some say no, some say yes but only if the root AND the herb is in the > preparation (like that tea you are drinking, that has the root and > herb). > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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