Dog and Kitty Off limits/Cheryl

[Guest guest]

Puppy seems fine today and he ate all his breakfast and since it was

only five grapes i think we'll be ok, but i am going to be cautious

when it comes to grapes and him in the future, so thanks for the

warning.

 

I found my Natural pet book last night and read a little as well as

checking some of the sites you mentioned last night Cheryl. The

sites do not say if the grapes were commercially raised or not and

the time frame is around the time when I think there was heavy use of

pestisides on grapes (the 90's) and there was some talk about this

for human consumption as well. Anyway i am wondering if this was

really more an issue about pestisides as no data existed on those

sites about current trials. If you have the UC Davis info, i'd like

to see that and do some further reading. My book had no negative

info on grapes and named grapes, watermellon, cantelope, cucumbers

and lots of other stuff as ok not only for dogs, but cats as well.

 

MY book did however talk about garlic and onion, although not as bad

as what i read online. It did say that SOME pets may have a problem,

and the benefits far outweight the possibility of problems it was ok.

 

One thing the book did focus on is that animals that are fed a

commercial diet, might be more susceptable to these porblems and that

animals fed a natrual primarily raw diet, should not have any

problems.

 

Definitely bares more research and reading.

 

if you have a link for the UC davis stuff Cheryl, please send it our

way!

 

Thanks,

 

Sylvia

 

herbal remedies , Cheryl Snyder

<portable_kitten> wrote:

> It is fine and well that your animals are fine with grapes but, I

lost my 115 pound Rottie after he ate grapes from the vine. When they

did the necropsy, the remains of a bit of grapeskin is all that was

in his stomach. This also happened to a friends Cocker Spaniel.

> If you call the poison hotline for the ASPCA they can fill in

those " holes " for you. Research is ongoing at UC Davis, on the

effects of the compounds in grapes and how they affect canine's in

particular. I don't know about garlic, I only posted about the grapes

so Sylvia would be aware and not go through what we went through!

> Some animals may be able to tolerate them just as some people can

tolerate things others can't. After the loss of one beloved

companion, I am not about to take that risk with another companion

who's safety is in my hands and with so many confirmed incidents that

the ASPCA has documented. Seems being cautious and omitting a few

simple things from the diet is not too drastic of a measure to take.

> As for what is natural for animals to eat, there is nothing

natural about the way our companion animals live today.

[Guest guest]

I will look and see if I saved any of the UC Davis info on disc.It

was in a folder on my machine and I lost all my documents a few

months back when I had to reformat. I think I may have backed up on

disc though, so i will look. You can find the same info by using

google.

If you call the ASPCA poison hotline they can give you the latest

info on things toxic to pets.

Also, in the article it stated that it didn't seem to have any

bearing as to whether the grapes were commercially grow or from your

own yard, which mine were.

The purpose of posting the info was not to frighten anyone. It

happened to me and some friends and just wanted everyone to be aware

of the " possibility " not the inevitability. Take it for what it is

worth and if you have doubts ask your own vet or research it

further, I am sure you will find plenty of info from either source.

If i find the info you request, i will send it off list if that is

ok, as it is off topic for this list. I will let ya'll know if i

find it!

 

herbal remedies , " Sylvia " <h10feet>

wrote:

> Puppy seems fine today and he ate all his breakfast and since it

was

> only five grapes i think we'll be ok, but i am going to be

cautious

> when it comes to grapes and him in the future, so thanks for the

> warning.

>

> I found my Natural pet book last night and read a little as well

as

> checking some of the sites you mentioned last night Cheryl. The

> sites do not say if the grapes were commercially raised or not and

> the time frame is around the time when I think there was heavy use

of

> pestisides on grapes (the 90's) and there was some talk about this

> for human consumption as well. Anyway i am wondering if this was

> really more an issue about pestisides as no data existed on those

> sites about current trials. If you have the UC Davis info, i'd

like

> to see that and do some further reading. My book had no negative

> info on grapes and named grapes, watermellon, cantelope, cucumbers

> and lots of other stuff as ok not only for dogs, but cats as well.

>

> MY book did however talk about garlic and onion, although not as

bad

> as what i read online. It did say that SOME pets may have a

problem,

> and the benefits far outweight the possibility of problems it was

ok.

>

> One thing the book did focus on is that animals that are fed a

> commercial diet, might be more susceptable to these porblems and

that

> animals fed a natrual primarily raw diet, should not have any

> problems.

>

> Definitely bares more research and reading.

>

> if you have a link for the UC davis stuff Cheryl, please send it

our

> way!

>

> Thanks,

>

> Sylvia

>

> herbal remedies , Cheryl Snyder

> <portable_kitten> wrote:

> > It is fine and well that your animals are fine with grapes but,

I

> lost my 115 pound Rottie after he ate grapes from the vine. When

they

> did the necropsy, the remains of a bit of grapeskin is all that

was

> in his stomach. This also happened to a friends Cocker Spaniel.

> > If you call the poison hotline for the ASPCA they can fill in

> those " holes " for you. Research is ongoing at UC Davis, on the

> effects of the compounds in grapes and how they affect canine's in

> particular. I don't know about garlic, I only posted about the

grapes

> so Sylvia would be aware and not go through what we went through!

> > Some animals may be able to tolerate them just as some people

can

> tolerate things others can't. After the loss of one beloved

> companion, I am not about to take that risk with another companion

> who's safety is in my hands and with so many confirmed incidents

that

> the ASPCA has documented. Seems being cautious and omitting a few

> simple things from the diet is not too drastic of a measure to

take.

> > As for what is natural for animals to eat, there is nothing

> natural about the way our companion animals live today.

[Guest guest]

Hey shaking things up a bit is always good for the learning process

as we have all learned recently! LOL

 

I'm glad you posted it because as i said, it is at least something

that we should be aware of. We have a huge grapevine in the yard and

it is laden with grapes and so i will need to be even more diligent

than ever to keep an eye on that rascal because he likes breaking

into the garden.

 

I will definitely be doing more research into this.

 

Sylvia

 

herbal remedies , " Cheryl "

<portable_kitten> wrote:

> I will look and see if I saved any of the UC Davis info on disc.It

> was in a folder on my machine and I lost all my documents a few

> months back when I had to reformat. I think I may have backed up on

> disc though, so i will look. You can find the same info by using

> google.

> If you call the ASPCA poison hotline they can give you the latest

> info on things toxic to pets.

> Also, in the article it stated that it didn't seem to have any

> bearing as to whether the grapes were commercially grow or from

your

> own yard, which mine were.

> The purpose of posting the info was not to frighten anyone. It

> happened to me and some friends and just wanted everyone to be

aware

> of the " possibility " not the inevitability. Take it for what it is

> worth and if you have doubts ask your own vet or research it

> further, I am sure you will find plenty of info from either source.

> If i find the info you request, i will send it off list if that is

> ok, as it is off topic for this list. I will let ya'll know if i

> find it!

>

> herbal remedies , " Sylvia " <h10feet>

> wrote:

> > Puppy seems fine today and he ate all his breakfast and since it

> was

> > only five grapes i think we'll be ok, but i am going to be

> cautious

> > when it comes to grapes and him in the future, so thanks for the

> > warning.

> >

> > I found my Natural pet book last night and read a little as well

> as

> > checking some of the sites you mentioned last night Cheryl. The

> > sites do not say if the grapes were commercially raised or not

and

> > the time frame is around the time when I think there was heavy

use

> of

> > pestisides on grapes (the 90's) and there was some talk about

this

> > for human consumption as well. Anyway i am wondering if this was

> > really more an issue about pestisides as no data existed on those

> > sites about current trials. If you have the UC Davis info, i'd

> like

> > to see that and do some further reading. My book had no negative

> > info on grapes and named grapes, watermellon, cantelope,

cucumbers

> > and lots of other stuff as ok not only for dogs, but cats as well.

> >

> > MY book did however talk about garlic and onion, although not as

> bad

> > as what i read online. It did say that SOME pets may have a

> problem,

> > and the benefits far outweight the possibility of problems it was

> ok.

> >

> > One thing the book did focus on is that animals that are fed a

> > commercial diet, might be more susceptable to these porblems and

> that

> > animals fed a natrual primarily raw diet, should not have any

> > problems.

> >

> > Definitely bares more research and reading.

> >

> > if you have a link for the UC davis stuff Cheryl, please send it

> our

> > way!

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Sylvia

> >

> > herbal remedies , Cheryl Snyder

> > <portable_kitten> wrote:

> > > It is fine and well that your animals are fine with grapes but,

> I

> > lost my 115 pound Rottie after he ate grapes from the vine. When

> they

> > did the necropsy, the remains of a bit of grapeskin is all that

> was

> > in his stomach. This also happened to a friends Cocker Spaniel.

> > > If you call the poison hotline for the ASPCA they can fill in

> > those " holes " for you. Research is ongoing at UC Davis, on the

> > effects of the compounds in grapes and how they affect canine's

in

> > particular. I don't know about garlic, I only posted about the

> grapes

> > so Sylvia would be aware and not go through what we went through!

> > > Some animals may be able to tolerate them just as some people

> can

> > tolerate things others can't. After the loss of one beloved

> > companion, I am not about to take that risk with another

companion

> > who's safety is in my hands and with so many confirmed incidents

> that

> > the ASPCA has documented. Seems being cautious and omitting a

few

> > simple things from the diet is not too drastic of a measure to

> take.

> > > As for what is natural for animals to eat, there is nothing

> > natural about the way our companion animals live today.

[Guest guest]

Now my next mission is to see if they are harmful to horses. I have

a guy who likes to pick me up by the seat of my pants when I am

picking, and move me so he can get to the grapes himself, as they

grow within reach of his pasture!

 

herbal remedies , " Sylvia " <h10feet>

wrote:

> Hey shaking things up a bit is always good for the learning

process

> as we have all learned recently! LOL

>

> I'm glad you posted it because as i said, it is at least something

> that we should be aware of. We have a huge grapevine in the yard

and

> it is laden with grapes and so i will need to be even more

diligent

> than ever to keep an eye on that rascal because he likes breaking

> into the garden.

>

> I will definitely be doing more research into this.

>

> Sylvia

>

> herbal remedies , " Cheryl "

> <portable_kitten> wrote:

> > I will look and see if I saved any of the UC Davis info on

disc.It

> > was in a folder on my machine and I lost all my documents a few

> > months back when I had to reformat. I think I may have backed up

on

> > disc though, so i will look. You can find the same info by using

> > google.

> > If you call the ASPCA poison hotline they can give you the

latest

> > info on things toxic to pets.

> > Also, in the article it stated that it didn't seem to have any

> > bearing as to whether the grapes were commercially grow or from

> your

> > own yard, which mine were.

> > The purpose of posting the info was not to frighten anyone. It

> > happened to me and some friends and just wanted everyone to be

> aware

> > of the " possibility " not the inevitability. Take it for what it

is

> > worth and if you have doubts ask your own vet or research it

> > further, I am sure you will find plenty of info from either

source.

> > If i find the info you request, i will send it off list if that

is

> > ok, as it is off topic for this list. I will let ya'll know if i

> > find it!

> >

> > herbal remedies , " Sylvia " <h10feet>

> > wrote:

> > > Puppy seems fine today and he ate all his breakfast and since

it

> > was

> > > only five grapes i think we'll be ok, but i am going to be

> > cautious

> > > when it comes to grapes and him in the future, so thanks for

the

> > > warning.

> > >

> > > I found my Natural pet book last night and read a little as

well

> > as

> > > checking some of the sites you mentioned last night Cheryl.

The

> > > sites do not say if the grapes were commercially raised or not

> and

> > > the time frame is around the time when I think there was heavy

> use

> > of

> > > pestisides on grapes (the 90's) and there was some talk about

> this

> > > for human consumption as well. Anyway i am wondering if this

was

> > > really more an issue about pestisides as no data existed on

those

> > > sites about current trials. If you have the UC Davis info,

i'd

> > like

> > > to see that and do some further reading. My book had no

negative

> > > info on grapes and named grapes, watermellon, cantelope,

> cucumbers

> > > and lots of other stuff as ok not only for dogs, but cats as

well.

> > >

> > > MY book did however talk about garlic and onion, although not

as

> > bad

> > > as what i read online. It did say that SOME pets may have a

> > problem,

> > > and the benefits far outweight the possibility of problems it

was

> > ok.

> > >

> > > One thing the book did focus on is that animals that are fed a

> > > commercial diet, might be more susceptable to these porblems

and

> > that

> > > animals fed a natrual primarily raw diet, should not have any

> > > problems.

> > >

> > > Definitely bares more research and reading.

> > >

> > > if you have a link for the UC davis stuff Cheryl, please send

it

> > our

> > > way!

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Sylvia

> > >

> > > herbal remedies , Cheryl Snyder

> > > <portable_kitten> wrote:

> > > > It is fine and well that your animals are fine with grapes

but,

> > I

> > > lost my 115 pound Rottie after he ate grapes from the vine.

When

> > they

> > > did the necropsy, the remains of a bit of grapeskin is all

that

> > was

> > > in his stomach. This also happened to a friends Cocker

Spaniel.

> > > > If you call the poison hotline for the ASPCA they can fill

in

> > > those " holes " for you. Research is ongoing at UC Davis, on the

> > > effects of the compounds in grapes and how they affect

canine's

> in

> > > particular. I don't know about garlic, I only posted about the

> > grapes

> > > so Sylvia would be aware and not go through what we went

through!

> > > > Some animals may be able to tolerate them just as some

people

> > can

> > > tolerate things others can't. After the loss of one beloved

> > > companion, I am not about to take that risk with another

> companion

> > > who's safety is in my hands and with so many confirmed

incidents

> > that

> > > the ASPCA has documented. Seems being cautious and omitting a

> few

> > > simple things from the diet is not too drastic of a measure to

> > take.

> > > > As for what is natural for animals to eat, there is

nothing

> > > natural about the way our companion animals live today.