Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Ah, someone here who knows more about breeding dogs than I do! Great! I was misinformed then, thank you for clearing that up. I had bred my Dobe a couple times, and they did, indeed stay stuck for 30 minutes one time, 45 the second. It freaked me out the first time, and the lady who owned the male said that it was normal and proceeded to tell me that it had to happen for a successful cover and it would last a min. of 20 minutes. Perhaps because these were purebreds, it always happened this way in her experience? Surely if they were mutts that we didn't want bred, it would have happened as you say, without the tie. She was a successful and reputable breeder in our area, so I assume I was being correctly educated. I am a behaviorist of dogs, not a breeder. Horses and rabbits on the other hand, I've done it all. Like I had said earlier, horses are my specialty. As for the puppy, I agree with Kay about the crate. I didn't think of that, because she is difficult to catch in the first place. But, I have always crated my dogs at night and if I need to leave them unsupervised for more than 30 minutes. It just keeps them out of trouble, and they like their "rooms" so it is not uncomfortable to them at all. But, I also agree with someone else, I think it was Kelli, or Sylvia, who said she may still be grieving. It does sound like she is making progress though, if she is seeking you out when you come home and is showing you excitement from your presence. Have you tried to just sit and be in the general area of her at all, for like 15- 30 minutes just to let her decide how to handle it? On the ground is best, you are at her level this way and she will feel less intimidated. I don't recommend this with all dogs, an aggressive dog will see this as you submitting to him, but she is shy enough, it will help her feel like you are not trying to over power her. And, if she even leans away from you, don't chase her. In other words, stop! Even take a step back, you are putting more pressure on her than she can handle yet. It may be why she runs and pees when you try to approach her, just more pressure than she knows how to deal with yet. As for the barking, I think she is lonely, and is trying to find her friend, or a friend. Even you coming out to tell her to stop, is giving her a few seconds of companionship. You may need to try and ignore her for a few days, because you may be unintentionally reinforcing the behavior by acknowledging it. Just one possibility. Or, if she is legitimately barking at something she sees, and you want her to be a watch dog for you, you need to affirm that you hear her, and that she is doing the right thing. Not being there, I can't tell you for sure which she may be doing. Kim S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 I remember the dogs in our neighborhood getting stuck together on our front lawn when I was growing up. Dad would always spray them down with the hose! Wonder if he would've sprayed me down with a hose if he'd ever caught me with a boy! LOL!! Anyway, back to the dogs... I also think the crate is a good idea. My dog Daisey LOVES her crate. Will just go in there when she's tired. If that's not possible, then what about shutting her into the bathroom in the house during the night? Bathrooms are typically the smallest room of the house and usually have flooring that is easiest to clean up. The echoing when she barks may make her stop also. Just a thought... :)Kelli Kimberly Smith [k_frog100] Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:17 AMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - Dogs and such I have always crated my dogs at night and if I need to leave them unsupervised for more than 30 minutes. It just keeps them out of trouble, and they like their "rooms" so it is not uncomfortable to them at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 When I come home she runs out to greet me and then runs back and hides in the bushes. I crouch down and hold my hand out and she slowly half crawls up to me peeing the whole way. After I pet her she runs back to the bushes. Every day lately the same routine. You'd think she'd lighten up by now. I don't think her barking is AT anything, she barks when we turn a light on or off or she sees us move through the window then she goes back to barking other places in the yard. She just never shuts up. When Toby was around they'd bark occasionally and then you'd usually hear them fighting with a raccoon or something, didn't ever seem like they were barking for no reason (besides when the farmers were in their field and they just barked and barked at them). I wonder why she doesn't bark during the DAY, too. Candace who is sick and tired of barking - Kimberly Smith herbal remedies Thursday, June 17, 2004 12:17 PM Herbal Remedies - Dogs and such Ah, someone here who knows more about breeding dogs than I do! Great! I was misinformed then, thank you for clearing that up. I had bred my Dobe a couple times, and they did, indeed stay stuck for 30 minutes one time, 45 the second. It freaked me out the first time, and the lady who owned the male said that it was normal and proceeded to tell me that it had to happen for a successful cover and it would last a min. of 20 minutes. Perhaps because these were purebreds, it always happened this way in her experience? Surely if they were mutts that we didn't want bred, it would have happened as you say, without the tie. She was a successful and reputable breeder in our area, so I assume I was being correctly educated. I am a behaviorist of dogs, not a breeder. Horses and rabbits on the other hand, I've done it all. Like I had said earlier, horses are my specialty. As for the puppy, I agree with Kay about the crate. I didn't think of that, because she is difficult to catch in the first place. But, I have always crated my dogs at night and if I need to leave them unsupervised for more than 30 minutes. It just keeps them out of trouble, and they like their "rooms" so it is not uncomfortable to them at all. But, I also agree with someone else, I think it was Kelli, or Sylvia, who said she may still be grieving. It does sound like she is making progress though, if she is seeking you out when you come home and is showing you excitement from your presence. Have you tried to just sit and be in the general area of her at all, for like 15- 30 minutes just to let her decide how to handle it? On the ground is best, you are at her level this way and she will feel less intimidated. I don't recommend this with all dogs, an aggressive dog will see this as you submitting to him, but she is shy enough, it will help her feel like you are not trying to over power her. And, if she even leans away from you, don't chase her. In other words, stop! Even take a step back, you are putting more pressure on her than she can handle yet. It may be why she runs and pees when you try to approach her, just more pressure than she knows how to deal with yet. As for the barking, I think she is lonely, and is trying to find her friend, or a friend. Even you coming out to tell her to stop, is giving her a few seconds of companionship. You may need to try and ignore her for a few days, because you may be unintentionally reinforcing the behavior by acknowledging it. Just one possibility. Or, if she is legitimately barking at something she sees, and you want her to be a watch dog for you, you need to affirm that you hear her, and that she is doing the right thing. Not being there, I can't tell you for sure which she may be doing. Kim S.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Do you guys have the crate outside? Or in the house? She has 3 doghouses to choose from, don't know why she won't just go in one of them! Candace - Kelli Bever herbal remedies Thursday, June 17, 2004 4:58 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - Dogs and such I remember the dogs in our neighborhood getting stuck together on our front lawn when I was growing up. Dad would always spray them down with the hose! Wonder if he would've sprayed me down with a hose if he'd ever caught me with a boy! LOL!! Anyway, back to the dogs... I also think the crate is a good idea. My dog Daisey LOVES her crate. Will just go in there when she's tired. If that's not possible, then what about shutting her into the bathroom in the house during the night? Bathrooms are typically the smallest room of the house and usually have flooring that is easiest to clean up. The echoing when she barks may make her stop also. Just a thought... :)Kelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Daisey's crate is in the house. She has a doghouse outside - has had for a year - but didn't start going into it until just recently. I don't think she sees it as the same type of thing as her crate, even though they're hardly distinguishable to me. Kelli Candace Podratz [CandaceAndBrock] Thursday, June 17, 2004 3:13 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Dogs and such Do you guys have the crate outside? Or in the house? She has 3 doghouses to choose from, don't know why she won't just go in one of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Just another agreement here about the crate. Angel is the first dog we have ever crate trained and every dog after her will be crate trained now. It's a life saver. Not only does she go willingly into it when we ask her to, but frequently goes in there to get away and sleep by herself. Also, it's great because we travel to my parent's home about once a month and stay the weekend. In strange surroundings, the crate is a comforting piece of home. Stacey > I remember the dogs in our neighborhood getting stuck together on our front lawn when I was growing up. Dad would always spray them down with the hose! Wonder if he would've sprayed me down with a hose if he'd ever caught me with a boy! LOL!! > > Anyway, back to the dogs... I also think the crate is a good idea. My dog Daisey LOVES her crate. Will just go in there when she's tired. If that's not possible, then what about shutting her into the bathroom in the house during the night? Bathrooms are typically the smallest room of the house and usually have flooring that is easiest to clean up. The echoing > when she barks may make her stop also. Just a thought... > > > > Kelli " If you understand or if you don't, if you believe or if you doubt, there is a universal justice and the eyes of truth are always watching you " ~ Enigma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 I think the barking is just from loneliness and wanting attention. You said her campanion recently passed away? She's probably not used to being by herself yet. Also, just a tip on how to make her more comfortable with you. Try to have treats when you're around her and give her a treat whenever she comes up to you on her own. Eventually, she'll be associate you with good stuff. The submissive peeing should go away as she becomes more comfortable and confident. Stacey > When I come home she runs out to greet me and then runs back and hides in the bushes. I crouch down and hold my hand out and she slowly half crawls up to me peeing the whole way. After I pet her she runs back to the bushes. Every day lately the same routine. You'd think she'd lighten up by now. > > I don't think her barking is AT anything, she barks when we turn a light on or off or she sees us move through the window then she goes back to barking other places in the yard. She just never shuts up. > When Toby was around they'd bark occasionally and then you'd usually hear them fighting with a raccoon or something, didn't ever seem like they were barking for no reason (besides when the farmers were in their field and they just barked and barked at them). I wonder why she doesn't bark during the > DAY, too. > > Candace who is sick and tired of barking " If you understand or if you don't, if you believe or if you doubt, there is a universal justice and the eyes of truth are always watching you " ~ Enigma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 The crate idea goes back to the wild and the dogs predecessors (the wolf).. it is like their den, their home... it is THEIRS. Suzi Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Computer has been down. You put the crate inside, and then put the dog inside it. Somehow it seems to calm them, and it will also help with her being so skittish. You might have a problem catching her, but I would not feed her if she doesn't come. I would start always feeding her in the crate. She needs to learn that you are trustworthy but also that she must do what you ask of her. Dogs learn fast, and she will learn and it won't take long. If you have a poop problem in the crate, then I would give her a few bites in the evening, and then the remainder in the morning. If she doesn't eat in the morning, I would add canned food so she can get it down or give her a drink of water or mix it with water. Dogs have bodies that it is best for them to eat one big meal rather than some small meals. (This is contrary to bloat suggestions, but I don't see you have that problem here.) When they eat, their bodies go into a huge change, and they begin the digestion process. They also have much shorter intestines, so that is why they can eat stuff that would kill us such as rotten meat and garbage. I hope this helps. Kay Candace Podratz [CandaceAndBrock]Thursday, June 17, 2004 3:13 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Dogs and such Do you guys have the crate outside? Or in the house? She has 3 doghouses to choose from, don't know why she won't just go in one of them! Candace - Kelli Bever herbal remedies Thursday, June 17, 2004 4:58 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - Dogs and such I remember the dogs in our neighborhood getting stuck together on our front lawn when I was growing up. Dad would always spray them down with the hose! Wonder if he would've sprayed me down with a hose if he'd ever caught me with a boy! LOL!! Anyway, back to the dogs... I also think the crate is a good idea. My dog Daisey LOVES her crate. Will just go in there when she's tired. If that's not possible, then what about shutting her into the bathroom in the house during the night? Bathrooms are typically the smallest room of the house and usually have flooring that is easiest to clean up. The echoing when she barks may make her stop also. Just a thought... :)KelliFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Do you do this in the Winter, too? I'd think it would be dangerous to put her in the house and let her thaw out and then throw her back in the cold in the morning. Candace - Kay Fielding herbal remedies Friday, June 18, 2004 7:47 AM RE: Herbal Remedies - Dogs and such Computer has been down. You put the crate inside, and then put the dog inside it. Somehow it seems to calm them, and it will also help with her being so skittish. You might have a problem catching her, but I would not feed her if she doesn't come. I would start always feeding her in the crate. She needs to learn that you are trustworthy but also that she must do what you ask of her. Dogs learn fast, and she will learn and it won't take long. If you have a poop problem in the crate, then I would give her a few bites in the evening, and then the remainder in the morning. If she doesn't eat in the morning, I would add canned food so she can get it down or give her a drink of water or mix it with water. Dogs have bodies that it is best for them to eat one big meal rather than some small meals. (This is contrary to bloat suggestions, but I don't see you have that problem here.) When they eat, their bodies go into a huge change, and they begin the digestion process. They also have much shorter intestines, so that is why they can eat stuff that would kill us such as rotten meat and garbage. I hope this helps. Kay Candace Podratz [CandaceAndBrock]Thursday, June 17, 2004 3:13 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Dogs and such Do you guys have the crate outside? Or in the house? She has 3 doghouses to choose from, don't know why she won't just go in one of them! Candace - Kelli Bever herbal remedies Thursday, June 17, 2004 4:58 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - Dogs and such I remember the dogs in our neighborhood getting stuck together on our front lawn when I was growing up. Dad would always spray them down with the hose! Wonder if he would've sprayed me down with a hose if he'd ever caught me with a boy! LOL!! Anyway, back to the dogs... I also think the crate is a good idea. My dog Daisey LOVES her crate. Will just go in there when she's tired. If that's not possible, then what about shutting her into the bathroom in the house during the night? Bathrooms are typically the smallest room of the house and usually have flooring that is easiest to clean up. The echoing when she barks may make her stop also. Just a thought... :)KelliFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 Yes, I have done it summer and winter . They actually like being inside in the winter, and when they go out, they are glad to be out too. But I have dogs bred for that, so it could make a difference. But I doubt it. Kay Candace Podratz [CandaceAndBrock]Friday, June 18, 2004 11:37 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Dogs and such Do you do this in the Winter, too? I'd think it would be dangerous to put her in the house and let her thaw out and then throw her back in the cold in the morning. Candace - Kay Fielding herbal remedies Friday, June 18, 2004 7:47 AM RE: Herbal Remedies - Dogs and such Computer has been down. You put the crate inside, and then put the dog inside it. Somehow it seems to calm them, and it will also help with her being so skittish. You might have a problem catching her, but I would not feed her if she doesn't come. I would start always feeding her in the crate. She needs to learn that you are trustworthy but also that she must do what you ask of her. Dogs learn fast, and she will learn and it won't take long. If you have a poop problem in the crate, then I would give her a few bites in the evening, and then the remainder in the morning. If she doesn't eat in the morning, I would add canned food so she can get it down or give her a drink of water or mix it with water. Dogs have bodies that it is best for them to eat one big meal rather than some small meals. (This is contrary to bloat suggestions, but I don't see you have that problem here.) When they eat, their bodies go into a huge change, and they begin the digestion process. They also have much shorter intestines, so that is why they can eat stuff that would kill us such as rotten meat and garbage. I hope this helps. Kay Candace Podratz [CandaceAndBrock]Thursday, June 17, 2004 3:13 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Dogs and such Do you guys have the crate outside? Or in the house? She has 3 doghouses to choose from, don't know why she won't just go in one of them! Candace - Kelli Bever herbal remedies Thursday, June 17, 2004 4:58 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - Dogs and such I remember the dogs in our neighborhood getting stuck together on our front lawn when I was growing up. Dad would always spray them down with the hose! Wonder if he would've sprayed me down with a hose if he'd ever caught me with a boy! LOL!! Anyway, back to the dogs... I also think the crate is a good idea. My dog Daisey LOVES her crate. Will just go in there when she's tired. If that's not possible, then what about shutting her into the bathroom in the house during the night? Bathrooms are typically the smallest room of the house and usually have flooring that is easiest to clean up. The echoing when she barks may make her stop also. Just a thought... :)KelliFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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