Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Since we've been gabbing about this lately I'll give an update on Shania. She's gone from shy little hiding baby to pain in the *$$!!!! All night long she barks and barks and barks and barks and never shuts up. Thank God Brock is a heavy sleeper (and too bad I'm not) because she's right outside his window right now yipping away. If I go outside she hides and I can't find her. I go back in the house and she barks and barks and barks. AAAAAAACK! Any ideas? Candace Everything will turn out well in the end. If things are not well now, then it is not yet the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Oh gosh, no idea. Sorry Candace. Do you have any word on whether she's really pregnant or not? If she's due soon, this situation is likely to change - she won't have time to bark all night! LOL! :)Kelli Candace Podratz [CandaceAndBrock] Monday, June 14, 2004 11:19 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Since we've been gabbing about this lately I'll give an update on Shania. She's gone from shy little hiding baby to pain in the *$$!!!! All night long she barks and barks and barks and barks and never shuts up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 She doesn't look any bigger than usual, but she' VERY furry! I assume she is because her and Toby were goin at it night and day but my sister suggested maybe 8 mos is too young for her to be pregnant? How long do pups stay pregnant? I can't even remember! Candace - Kelli Bever herbal remedies Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:50 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Oh gosh, no idea. Sorry Candace. Do you have any word on whether she's really pregnant or not? If she's due soon, this situation is likely to change - she won't have time to bark all night! LOL! :)Kelli Candace Podratz [CandaceAndBrock] Monday, June 14, 2004 11:19 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Since we've been gabbing about this lately I'll give an update on Shania. She's gone from shy little hiding baby to pain in the *$$!!!! All night long she barks and barks and barks and barks and never shuts up. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Well, the web says that the gestation period is 61 - 63 days. I couldn't find how early they can get pregnant (can look more later) but I think that 8 months is not too early. Kelli Candace Podratz [CandaceAndBrock] Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:14 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training She doesn't look any bigger than usual, but she' VERY furry! I assume she is because her and Toby were goin at it night and day but my sister suggested maybe 8 mos is too young for her to be pregnant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 A year is better - they can get pregnant as young as 6 months.. not good... I would consider her health, mental status, etc, if she is pregnant.. you might want to have her checked out by a vet.. SuziKelli Bever <kelli wrote: Well, the web says that the gestation period is 61 - 63 days. I couldn't find how early they can get pregnant (can look more later) but I think that 8 months is not too early. Kelli Candace Podratz [CandaceAndBrock] Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:14 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training She doesn't look any bigger than usual, but she' VERY furry! I assume she is because her and Toby were goin at it night and day but my sister suggested maybe 8 mos is too young for her to be pregnant?Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Any dog can get pregnant after the first 6 months. 6 month mark is the first heat cycle a dog experiences. Every 6 months afterwards they will go into heat if healthy. Most people avoid getting their dogs pregnant only because they cannot see how or what she'll grow into. Also the longer you have to train and steer the dogs growth and temperament the better off her puppies will be. A shy dog will whelp shy puppies if you do not socialize them quickly. So be responsible and get her fixed or you may have even more problems coming your way. Puppies learn by mimicry. Think about it. Whatever bad habits ANY dog around them has they will pick up. Hope this helps. Zeb P.S. I do not casually suggest fixing dogs, I hate it personally and have never fixed one for myself as I breed them. But do not forget that without the proper control and knowledge more people than just yourself will suffer. Well, the web says that the gestation period is 61 - 63 days. I couldn't find how early they can get pregnant (can look more later) but I think that 8 months is not too early. Kelli Candace Podratz [CandaceAndBrock] Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:14 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training She doesn't look any bigger than usual, but she' VERY furry! I assume she is because her and Toby were goin at it night and day but my sister suggested maybe 8 mos is too young for her to be pregnant?Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Bring the dog indoors for about a month. You'll get little sleep. Get a spray bottle and put water in it. Every time she whines for no purpose, spray her in the face with a thin stream so it really hits her in the face rather than poofing near her. Get her only once or twice at the most. While spraying say, "NO" or "OUT". Whichever one you use get yourself to keep using. Do this night after night after night until she doesn't do it anymore. The longer you wait the longer it will take to correct. Go online and buy a book called, "I just got a puppy, what do I do" by Mathew Margolis. This is at home training and very easy to do. Lots of insight on the dog aspect of view of life. http://www.unclematty.com/index_flash.htm Zeb Since we've been gabbing about this lately I'll give an update on Shania. She's gone from shy little hiding baby to pain in the *$$!!!! All night long she barks and barks and barks and barks and never shuts up. Thank God Brock is a heavy sleeper (and too bad I'm not) because she's right outside his window right now yipping away. If I go outside she hides and I can't find her. I go back in the house and she barks and barks and barks. AAAAAAACK! Any ideas? Candace Everything will turn out well in the end. If things are not well now, then it is not yet the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 She's not an indoor dog so I'd have pee and poop everywhere if I did this. I don't have a cage or anything big enough for her. I know they make collars that supposedly teach dogs not to bark, don't know how well they work though. Right now she's afraid of her own tail so if the collar even beeped she'd run and hide. Hmmm Candace - zeb herbal remedies Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:50 AM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Bring the dog indoors for about a month. You'll get little sleep. Get a spray bottle and put water in it. Every time she whines for no purpose, spray her in the face with a thin stream so it really hits her in the face rather than poofing near her. Get her only once or twice at the most. While spraying say, "NO" or "OUT". Whichever one you use get yourself to keep using. Do this night after night after night until she doesn't do it anymore. The longer you wait the longer it will take to correct. Go online and buy a book called, "I just got a puppy, what do I do" by Mathew Margolis. This is at home training and very easy to do. Lots of insight on the dog aspect of view of life. http://www.unclematty.com/index_flash.htm Zeb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Candace, she has other issue right now though? Did she have a barking problem before the Toby incident? If not, i say she is still greiving. I know the barking can be a real pain, but she needs time to heal. I think you should focus on winning her over again and then if she still has a barking problem deal with it after that? I dont think Zeb knows about what has been going on with your dogs, so perhaps he can come up to speed on that and offer some additional insight? Or maybe Kim has some other ideas. Just MHO Sylvia herbal remedies , " Candace Podratz " <CandaceAndBrock@w...> wrote: > She's not an indoor dog so I'd have pee and poop everywhere if I did this. I don't have a cage or anything big enough for her. > I know they make collars that supposedly teach dogs not to bark, don't know how well they work though. Right now she's afraid of her own tail so if the collar even beeped she'd run and hide. Hmmm > > Candace > - > zeb@A... > herbal remedies > Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:50 AM > Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training > > > Bring the dog indoors for about a month. You'll get little sleep. Get a spray bottle and put water in it. Every time she whines for no purpose, spray her in the face with a thin stream so it really hits her in the face rather than poofing near her. Get her only once or twice at the most. While spraying say, " NO " or " OUT " . Whichever one you use get yourself to keep using. Do this night after night after night until she doesn't do it anymore. The longer you wait the longer it will take to correct. > > Go online and buy a book called, " I just got a puppy, what do I do " by Mathew Margolis. This is at home training and very easy to do. Lots of insight on the dog aspect of view of life. > > http://www.unclematty.com/index_flash.htm > > Zeb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 When Toby was around she'd bark, maybe twice a night or so and he'd bark too, probably scaring something off. Today when I came home she was so happy wagging her tail so hard she looked like she was going to fall over. But when I got out of the car she hid and then came up to me leaving a pee trail. Okay happy to see me .....not happy to see me .........happy to see me........... I'll give her time. Candace - " Sylvia " <h10feet <herbal remedies > Wednesday, June 16, 2004 12:37 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training > Candace, she has other issue right now though? > > Did she have a barking problem before the Toby incident? If not, i > say she is still greiving. I know the barking can be a real pain, > but she needs time to heal. I think you should focus on winning her > over again and then if she still has a barking problem deal with it > after that? > > I dont think Zeb knows about what has been going on with your dogs, > so perhaps he can come up to speed on that and offer some additional > insight? Or maybe Kim has some other ideas. Just MHO > > Sylvia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 H i Candace: First of all, if she is barking like that, she is either wanting attention or she is communicating with other dogs. Is another dog answering? If she was my dog, I would buy an airline kennel and put her in it at night. I would put her in it in the house, but she might (the first few nights) have to go and go in the crate. You want want that is big enough for her to stand in but not huge as they use the extra space for pooping or peeing if too much. She won't like it at first, but once they get used to one, they love them and will go in on their own. That will likely stop the barking. If not, write me and I will give you further directions. Another thing I saw on the list a couple of days ago (but didn't respond) was that dogs breed and get stuck. There was some wrong information about this, and although I didn't bother to respond, since I was responding to dog info, thought I'd do it now. Dogs "tie" often but if a dog and bitch do not tie, the bitch can still get pregnant and have puppies. They tie because of both parties. The male swells with a bulb inside the bitch. The female locks down on him so he stays in. The reason is that dogs ejaculate a very small amount over and over throughout the tie. If he only gets in but doesn't tie, often there is not enough to impregnate the female. They can tie for a very short time (2 minutes) or over an hour. This might depend on her ovulation timing, but it is often dependent on the dogs themselves. They can tie once really long, and then tie the rest of the time really short or not at all. However, don't think at all if they don't tie, they won't get bred. If you have two purebreds and you want puppies, you can be sure there will be barriers in your way. If you have two mutts, they will always have puppies, and the litters will be huge. I have been breeding dogs for 30 years intermittently, and this is my own experience breeding dogs. I have had 24 litters of puppies in the last 16 years and tried to breed more (but of course, the purebreds often don't get pregnant since you so want them to. *G* Kay Since we've been gabbing about this lately I'll give an update on Shania. She's gone from shy little hiding baby to pain in the *$$!!!! All night long she barks and barks and barks and barks and never shuts up. Thank God Brock is a heavy sleeper (and too bad I'm not) because she's right outside his window right now yipping away. If I go outside she hides and I can't find her. I go back in the house and she barks and barks and barks. AAAAAAACK! Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Dear Sylvia and Candace, I did follow along with the loss of the other dog under the wheel of the vehicle. I also followed some of the posts after and the remaining dog hiding under the house and such. My advice still stands. Dogs are not like humans in that they cannot fully think their way through an upset. Instead as time goes buy the simply do other things or remain in that condition. My advice is DO OTHER THINGS. I have been around dog training and dogs for the past 5 years more heavily than usual as my wife 's family owns a Golden Retriever Kennel. Whenever a dog is lost from age (or anything else) they get the dog training into high gear and take their dogs for walks with them. Remember you need to fill in that loss with your own presence. You need to do this without loosing your position as authority though. To do nothing is the worst crime. Worse than dong the wrong thing. That's my opinion for what it's worth. Even dogs know when your trying to help, even when it hurts. So help her understand what you need and want from her. Especially the barking. Love, Zeb P.S. The site I suggested has a motto: Love your dog and they'll love you. It's training through love. Check it out please. - Sylvia herbal remedies Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:37 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Candace, she has other issue right now though?Did she have a barking problem before the Toby incident? If not, i say she is still greiving. I know the barking can be a real pain, but she needs time to heal. I think you should focus on winning her over again and then if she still has a barking problem deal with it after that?I dont think Zeb knows about what has been going on with your dogs, so perhaps he can come up to speed on that and offer some additional insight? Or maybe Kim has some other ideas. Just MHOSylviaherbal remedies , "Candace Podratz" <CandaceAndBrock@w...> wrote:> She's not an indoor dog so I'd have pee and poop everywhere if I did this. I don't have a cage or anything big enough for her.> I know they make collars that supposedly teach dogs not to bark, don't know how well they work though. Right now she's afraid of her own tail so if the collar even beeped she'd run and hide. Hmmm> > Candace> - > zeb@A... > herbal remedies > Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:50 AM> Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training> > > Bring the dog indoors for about a month. You'll get little sleep. Get a spray bottle and put water in it. Every time she whines for no purpose, spray her in the face with a thin stream so it really hits her in the face rather than poofing near her. Get her only once or twice at the most. While spraying say, "NO" or "OUT". Whichever one you use get yourself to keep using. Do this night after night after night until she doesn't do it anymore. The longer you wait the longer it will take to correct.> > Go online and buy a book called, "I just got a puppy, what do I do" by Mathew Margolis. This is at home training and very easy to do. Lots of insight on the dog aspect of view of life.> > http://www.unclematty.com/index_flash.htm> > ZebFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Then Candace, take her for walks everyday twice a day. Buy a book, any book, about dog training and get educated. That is always where you begin. Do not own this dog blindly. Get some data on it and go from there. Books are best. Usually only the best get their books out and only clubs that are good get published. Try it. Zeb She's not an indoor dog so I'd have pee and poop everywhere if I did this. I don't have a cage or anything big enough for her. I know they make collars that supposedly teach dogs not to bark, don't know how well they work though. Right now she's afraid of her own tail so if the collar even beeped she'd run and hide. Hmmm Candace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 I think you may be right, Zeb. She had a good day yesterday, her and Brock played and played and she was the happiest pup. She was back to being her old self besides peeing every time we came up to her. But once she "warmed up" to us she was her happy go lucky self. And last night again with the barking and barking and barking...... I just don't have anywhere to put her in the house ~sigh~ Do you have any experience with those anti-barking collars? Candace - zeb herbal remedies Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:50 AM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Dear Sylvia and Candace, I did follow along with the loss of the other dog under the wheel of the vehicle. I also followed some of the posts after and the remaining dog hiding under the house and such. My advice still stands. Dogs are not like humans in that they cannot fully think their way through an upset. Instead as time goes buy the simply do other things or remain in that condition. My advice is DO OTHER THINGS. I have been around dog training and dogs for the past 5 years more heavily than usual as my wife 's family owns a Golden Retriever Kennel. Whenever a dog is lost from age (or anything else) they get the dog training into high gear and take their dogs for walks with them. Remember you need to fill in that loss with your own presence. You need to do this without loosing your position as authority though. To do nothing is the worst crime. Worse than dong the wrong thing. That's my opinion for what it's worth. Even dogs know when your trying to help, even when it hurts. So help her understand what you need and want from her. Especially the barking. Love, Zeb P.S. The site I suggested has a motto: Love your dog and they'll love you. It's training through love. Check it out please. - Sylvia herbal remedies Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:37 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Candace, she has other issue right now though?Did she have a barking problem before the Toby incident? If not, i say she is still greiving. I know the barking can be a real pain, but she needs time to heal. I think you should focus on winning her over again and then if she still has a barking problem deal with it after that?I dont think Zeb knows about what has been going on with your dogs, so perhaps he can come up to speed on that and offer some additional insight? Or maybe Kim has some other ideas. Just MHOSylviaherbal remedies , "Candace Podratz" <CandaceAndBrock@w...> wrote:> She's not an indoor dog so I'd have pee and poop everywhere if I did this. I don't have a cage or anything big enough for her.> I know they make collars that supposedly teach dogs not to bark, don't know how well they work though. Right now she's afraid of her own tail so if the collar even beeped she'd run and hide. Hmmm> > Candace> - > zeb@A... > herbal remedies > Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:50 AM> Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training> > > Bring the dog indoors for about a month. You'll get little sleep. Get a spray bottle and put water in it. Every time she whines for no purpose, spray her in the face with a thin stream so it really hits her in the face rather than poofing near her. Get her only once or twice at the most. While spraying say, "NO" or "OUT". Whichever one you use get yourself to keep using. Do this night after night after night until she doesn't do it anymore. The longer you wait the longer it will take to correct.> > Go online and buy a book called, "I just got a puppy, what do I do" by Mathew Margolis. This is at home training and very easy to do. Lots of insight on the dog aspect of view of life.> > http://www.unclematty.com/index_flash.htm> > ZebFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 I think that would be MORE traumatic for her! She's never been tied to a leash except for a couple minutes at a time because then she pulls herself out. She panics and pulls and pulls until her head comes out. I'll look into that book you suggested in the other email. This pup is confusing the hell out of me. She's like no other dog I've ever owned. My alien puppy. Candace - zeb herbal remedies Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:52 AM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Then Candace, take her for walks everyday twice a day. Buy a book, any book, about dog training and get educated. That is always where you begin. Do not own this dog blindly. Get some data on it and go from there. Books are best. Usually only the best get their books out and only clubs that are good get published. Try it. Zeb She's not an indoor dog so I'd have pee and poop everywhere if I did this. I don't have a cage or anything big enough for her. I know they make collars that supposedly teach dogs not to bark, don't know how well they work though. Right now she's afraid of her own tail so if the collar even beeped she'd run and hide. Hmmm Candace Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 I stand Corrected! I better stick to sniffin out molds LOL! Sylvia herbal remedies , <zeb@A...> wrote: > Dear Sylvia and Candace, > > I did follow along with the loss of the other dog under the wheel of the vehicle. I also followed some of the posts after and the remaining dog hiding under the house and such. My advice still stands. Dogs are not like humans in that they cannot fully think their way through an upset. Instead as time goes buy the simply do other things or remain in that condition. My advice is DO OTHER THINGS. I have been around dog training and dogs for the past 5 years more heavily than usual as my wife 's family owns a Golden Retriever Kennel. Whenever a dog is lost from age (or anything else) they get the dog training into high gear and take their dogs for walks with them. > > Remember you need to fill in that loss with your own presence. You need to do this without loosing your position as authority though. To do nothing is the worst crime. Worse than dong the wrong thing. That's my opinion for what it's worth. Even dogs know when your trying to help, even when it hurts. So help her understand what you need and want from her. Especially the barking. > > Love, > > Zeb > > P.S. The site I suggested has a motto: Love your dog and they'll love you. It's training through love. Check it out please. > - > Sylvia > herbal remedies > Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:37 PM > Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training > > > Candace, she has other issue right now though? > > Did she have a barking problem before the Toby incident? If not, i > say she is still greiving. I know the barking can be a real pain, > but she needs time to heal. I think you should focus on winning her > over again and then if she still has a barking problem deal with it > after that? > > I dont think Zeb knows about what has been going on with your dogs, > so perhaps he can come up to speed on that and offer some additional > insight? Or maybe Kim has some other ideas. Just MHO > > Sylvia > > > herbal remedies , " Candace Podratz " > <CandaceAndBrock@w...> wrote: > > She's not an indoor dog so I'd have pee and poop everywhere if I > did this. I don't have a cage or anything big enough for her. > > I know they make collars that supposedly teach dogs not to bark, > don't know how well they work though. Right now she's afraid of her > own tail so if the collar even beeped she'd run and hide. Hmmm > > > > Candace > > - > > zeb@A... > > herbal remedies > > Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:50 AM > > Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training > > > > > > Bring the dog indoors for about a month. You'll get little > sleep. Get a spray bottle and put water in it. Every time she > whines for no purpose, spray her in the face with a thin stream so it > really hits her in the face rather than poofing near her. Get her > only once or twice at the most. While spraying say, " NO " or " OUT " . > Whichever one you use get yourself to keep using. Do this night > after night after night until she doesn't do it anymore. The longer > you wait the longer it will take to correct. > > > > Go online and buy a book called, " I just got a puppy, what do I > do " by Mathew Margolis. This is at home training and very easy to > do. Lots of insight on the dog aspect of view of life. > > > > http://www.unclematty.com/index_flash.htm > > > > Zeb > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Didn't mean to bite Syl. I was in a rush to get to work and wrote it on the go. Love, Zeb I stand Corrected!I better stick to sniffin out molds LOL!Sylvia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Yes it'll shock the sh** outta her. I'd never use it on anything for any reason. Zeb - Candace Podratz herbal remedies Thursday, June 17, 2004 12:38 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training I think you may be right, Zeb. She had a good day yesterday, her and Brock played and played and she was the happiest pup. She was back to being her old self besides peeing every time we came up to her. But once she "warmed up" to us she was her happy go lucky self. And last night again with the barking and barking and barking...... I just don't have anywhere to put her in the house ~sigh~ Do you have any experience with those anti-barking collars? Candace - zeb herbal remedies Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:50 AM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Dear Sylvia and Candace, I did follow along with the loss of the other dog under the wheel of the vehicle. I also followed some of the posts after and the remaining dog hiding under the house and such. My advice still stands. Dogs are not like humans in that they cannot fully think their way through an upset. Instead as time goes buy the simply do other things or remain in that condition. My advice is DO OTHER THINGS. I have been around dog training and dogs for the past 5 years more heavily than usual as my wife 's family owns a Golden Retriever Kennel. Whenever a dog is lost from age (or anything else) they get the dog training into high gear and take their dogs for walks with them. Remember you need to fill in that loss with your own presence. You need to do this without loosing your position as authority though. To do nothing is the worst crime. Worse than dong the wrong thing. That's my opinion for what it's worth. Even dogs know when your trying to help, even when it hurts. So help her understand what you need and want from her. Especially the barking. Love, Zeb P.S. The site I suggested has a motto: Love your dog and they'll love you. It's training through love. Check it out please. - Sylvia herbal remedies Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:37 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Candace, she has other issue right now though?Did she have a barking problem before the Toby incident? If not, i say she is still greiving. I know the barking can be a real pain, but she needs time to heal. I think you should focus on winning her over again and then if she still has a barking problem deal with it after that?I dont think Zeb knows about what has been going on with your dogs, so perhaps he can come up to speed on that and offer some additional insight? Or maybe Kim has some other ideas. Just MHOSylviaherbal remedies , "Candace Podratz" <CandaceAndBrock@w...> wrote:> She's not an indoor dog so I'd have pee and poop everywhere if I did this. I don't have a cage or anything big enough for her.> I know they make collars that supposedly teach dogs not to bark, don't know how well they work though. Right now she's afraid of her own tail so if the collar even beeped she'd run and hide. Hmmm> > Candace> - > zeb@A... > herbal remedies > Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:50 AM> Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training> > > Bring the dog indoors for about a month. You'll get little sleep. Get a spray bottle and put water in it. Every time she whines for no purpose, spray her in the face with a thin stream so it really hits her in the face rather than poofing near her. Get her only once or twice at the most. While spraying say, "NO" or "OUT". Whichever one you use get yourself to keep using. Do this night after night after night until she doesn't do it anymore. The longer you wait the longer it will take to correct.> > Go online and buy a book called, "I just got a puppy, what do I do" by Mathew Margolis. This is at home training and very easy to do. Lots of insight on the dog aspect of view of life.> > http://www.unclematty.com/index_flash.htm> > ZebFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 I would definitely say that she has taken over the position of alpha so that she has the responsibility to keep things up safely and answer everyone that is talking to her out there. I don't know that dogs bark for grief as my experience is that they do not bark when grieving. However, once they are over the grief which seems to be pretty quickly (a matter of a few days), if there were not alpha, they will bark and bark and bark. They are establishing themselves in the chain (as others bark to them) and they are letting the others know what is going on too. Remember that dogs have the brains of a 3-5 year old most of the time, so you are dealing with a very young child. Children have the ability to remember better than dogs do I think, and also children can be real jerks whereas most dogs want to please. (I love my kids more than my dogs, but I am also realistic about dogs and kids). Dogs don't reason like people do however. They can think and think well in some cases, but they don't seem to hold in grief. I truly believe that dogs see life as natural. If it happens, it happens. We think we can do something about it or should be able to. I think they see life more as things happen and I adjust. Long story, but one of my dogs was killed in front of the others, and within 10 days, everything was pretty much normal. There were no long term effects. If you want to understand dogs better, the best book I've ever read is Mother Knows Best. It tells about how mother dogs teach their pups, and it stays for a lifetime. (How come we can't do that with kids? *G*) Dogs can be scared of being alone too. Remember, dogs are pack animals. They would NEVER be alone if by choice. This is a very, very unnatural thing for them to be alone, and I agree with those that have said that you must take over as her pack friend. And of course, it would be very unwise if you let her be the pack leader. Dogs have to have a leader, and if you don't provide it, they are bad and problems. Hope this helps. Kay Candace Podratz [candaceandbrock]Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:32 AMbernersSubject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Last night she went to the edge of our property and barked and barked and barked.... I don't hear an answer, but maybe my hearing isnt' what hers is!?! Do you know anything about dogs barking because they're grieving? Her friend since she was 7 weeks old just got ran over and this is her first time alone. Maybe that's why or maybe she's somewhat scared of being by herself at night? Candace - Kay Fielding herbal remedies Thursday, June 17, 2004 6:03 AM RE: Herbal Remedies - Dog training H i Candace: First of all, if she is barking like that, she is either wanting attention or she is communicating with other dogs. Is another dog answering? If she was my dog, I would buy an airline kennel and put her in it at night. I would put her in it in the house, but she might (the first few nights) have to go and go in the crate. You want want that is big enough for her to stand in but not huge as they use the extra space for pooping or peeing if too much. She won't like it at first, but once they get used to one, they love them and will go in on their own. That will likely stop the barking. If not, write me and I will give you further directions. Another thing I saw on the list a couple of days ago (but didn't respond) was that dogs breed and get stuck. There was some wrong information about this, and although I didn't bother to respond, since I was responding to dog info, thought I'd do it now. Dogs "tie" often but if a dog and bitch do not tie, the bitch can still get pregnant and have puppies. They tie because of both parties. The male swells with a bulb inside the bitch. The female locks down on him so he stays in. The reason is that dogs ejaculate a very small amount over and over throughout the tie. If he only gets in but doesn't tie, often there is not enough to impregnate the female. They can tie for a very short time (2 minutes) or over an hour. This might depend on her ovulation timing, but it is often dependent on the dogs themselves. They can tie once really long, and then tie the rest of the time really short or not at all. However, don't think at all if they don't tie, they won't get bred. If you have two purebreds and you want puppies, you can be sure there will be barriers in your way. If you have two mutts, they will always have puppies, and the litters will be huge. I have been breeding dogs for 30 years intermittently, and this is my own experience breeding dogs. I have had 24 litters of puppies in the last 16 years and tried to breed more (but of course, the purebreds often don't get pregnant since you so want them to. *G* Kay Since we've been gabbing about this lately I'll give an update on Shania. She's gone from shy little hiding baby to pain in the *$$!!!! All night long she barks and barks and barks and barks and never shuts up. Thank God Brock is a heavy sleeper (and too bad I'm not) because she's right outside his window right now yipping away. If I go outside she hides and I can't find her. I go back in the house and she barks and barks and barks. AAAAAAACK! Any ideas? Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 My dogs are bred to bark to alert us of anything going on. And they are good at it. Sometimes, I have one that grows up and thinks a leaf blowing by needs to be alerted to. Now this happens at some stage to all of them, but some don't quit. So you have to intervene. I spend quite a bit of time with them all, and I have different methods that I use depending on the temperament of the dog doing the barking. Your dog requires gentle intervention since she is shy and meek. Years ago, I had a male that thought every sound should be barked at, so I bought and used a bark collar. He had a pretty happy go lucky attitude, and he was eager to make sure nothing happened without warning. The heavy leather of the collar managed to wear the hair off in a few days, and the shocker part was on his skin. I was horrified when I finally realized what happened. He really never barked again, but it changed his personality to a meek, quiet dog. I learned a huge lesson with this, and I would not use one again without very, very constant checking. It can be very cruel. I would only use this as a last resort and only when nothing else worked. And using it on a meek, shy dog like yours could be really, really bad. It can teach them to be aggressive or make them more shy. Once you get her crate trained so that you can catch her, you will have it made. You can leave her outside until she starts barking. Then go out and quietly (no punishment) get her and put her in the crate. She will very quickly get the idea that if she barks, she will be confined. Although it is not a punishment to a dog to be crated, it does quash her ability to bark, and she will learn that barking constantly doesn't do good for her position as protector of your group. She will learn to bark only when necessary. And it will all be gentle training. That is always preferred as it teaches trust between you both. However, do go ahead and get started. She isn't going to quit barking without intervention. She has learned that she must be the communicator (I bet you can give me examples of the other dog being dominant), and she has to carry on her new job showing you that she is really great at it. She now needs to learn that she doesn't have to be quite so great at it. You must teach her. If you do not, she won't quit for months if even then. Kay zeb [zeb]Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:17 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Yes it'll shock the sh** outta her. I'd never use it on anything for any reason. Zeb - Candace Podratz herbal remedies Thursday, June 17, 2004 12:38 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training I think you may be right, Zeb. She had a good day yesterday, her and Brock played and played and she was the happiest pup. She was back to being her old self besides peeing every time we came up to her. But once she "warmed up" to us she was her happy go lucky self. And last night again with the barking and barking and barking...... I just don't have anywhere to put her in the house ~sigh~ Do you have any experience with those anti-barking collars? Candace - zeb herbal remedies Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:50 AM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Dear Sylvia and Candace, I did follow along with the loss of the other dog under the wheel of the vehicle. I also followed some of the posts after and the remaining dog hiding under the house and such. My advice still stands. Dogs are not like humans in that they cannot fully think their way through an upset. Instead as time goes buy the simply do other things or remain in that condition. My advice is DO OTHER THINGS. I have been around dog training and dogs for the past 5 years more heavily than usual as my wife 's family owns a Golden Retriever Kennel. Whenever a dog is lost from age (or anything else) they get the dog training into high gear and take their dogs for walks with them. Remember you need to fill in that loss with your own presence. You need to do this without loosing your position as authority though. To do nothing is the worst crime. Worse than dong the wrong thing. That's my opinion for what it's worth. Even dogs know when your trying to help, even when it hurts. So help her understand what you need and want from her. Especially the barking. Love, Zeb P.S. The site I suggested has a motto: Love your dog and they'll love you. It's training through love. Check it out please. - Sylvia herbal remedies Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:37 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Candace, she has other issue right now though?Did she have a barking problem before the Toby incident? If not, i say she is still greiving. I know the barking can be a real pain, but she needs time to heal. I think you should focus on winning her over again and then if she still has a barking problem deal with it after that?I dont think Zeb knows about what has been going on with your dogs, so perhaps he can come up to speed on that and offer some additional insight? Or maybe Kim has some other ideas. Just MHOSylviaherbal remedies , "Candace Podratz" <CandaceAndBrock@w...> wrote:> She's not an indoor dog so I'd have pee and poop everywhere if I did this. I don't have a cage or anything big enough for her.> I know they make collars that supposedly teach dogs not to bark, don't know how well they work though. Right now she's afraid of her own tail so if the collar even beeped she'd run and hide. Hmmm> > Candace> - > zeb@A... > herbal remedies > Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:50 AM> Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training> > > Bring the dog indoors for about a month. You'll get little sleep. Get a spray bottle and put water in it. Every time she whines for no purpose, spray her in the face with a thin stream so it really hits her in the face rather than poofing near her. Get her only once or twice at the most. While spraying say, "NO" or "OUT". Whichever one you use get yourself to keep using. Do this night after night after night until she doesn't do it anymore. The longer you wait the longer it will take to correct.> > Go online and buy a book called, "I just got a puppy, what do I do" by Mathew Margolis. This is at home training and very easy to do. Lots of insight on the dog aspect of view of life.> > http://www.unclematty.com/index_flash.htm> > ZebFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. 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Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 hmmm? I didnt take it as a bite! No worries heheheheh Have a great weekend! Sylvia herbal remedies , <zeb@A...> wrote: > Didn't mean to bite Syl. I was in a rush to get to work and wrote it on the go. > > Love, > > Zeb > > > I stand Corrected! > > I better stick to sniffin out molds LOL! > > Sylvia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Oh, I thought they just made a loud irritating noise. I'd hate for her to not be able to bark if a coyote or something was coming on the yard. Last night DH said there's a procedure you can have done to keep a dog from chewing on everything...does something to their teeth so they can't latch on to stuff. Can you imagine? A dog here to keep other animals off our yard that couldnt use her teeth!!!!! Candace - zeb herbal remedies Thursday, June 17, 2004 11:17 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Yes it'll shock the sh** outta her. I'd never use it on anything for any reason. Zeb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 Thanks love. Zeb - Sylvia herbal remedies Friday, June 18, 2004 1:37 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training hmmm? I didnt take it as a bite!No worries heheheheh Have a great weekend!Sylviaherbal remedies , <zeb@A...> wrote:> Didn't mean to bite Syl. I was in a rush to get to work and wrote it on the go.> > Love,> > Zeb> > > I stand Corrected!> > I better stick to sniffin out molds LOL!> > SylviaFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 Yep. Squirting them in the face with water seems harsh but it really is not as long as you tell her how good she is when she shuts up, which is usually immediately. You can even give her treats after she stopped. This will let her know what you like and don't like. It's the best I found so far. Love, Zeb - Candace Podratz herbal remedies Friday, June 18, 2004 2:35 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Oh, I thought they just made a loud irritating noise. I'd hate for her to not be able to bark if a coyote or something was coming on the yard. Last night DH said there's a procedure you can have done to keep a dog from chewing on everything...does something to their teeth so they can't latch on to stuff. Can you imagine? A dog here to keep other animals off our yard that couldnt use her teeth!!!!! Candace - zeb herbal remedies Thursday, June 17, 2004 11:17 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Dog training Yes it'll shock the sh** outta her. I'd never use it on anything for any reason. ZebFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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