Choke collars

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I am sure we all have our own opinions on things, and I am not trying to cause a problem, just want to put in my two cents on the issue.

 

If you do indeed have Border Collie in that pup, you got your work cut out for you. But, if you can get a handle on it, you will have an AWESOME dog in the end. I myself have an Aussie Shepherd and a Doberman. I love the Dobe, but the Aussie is my angel. Herding dogs are really something.

 

Choke collars, when used appropriately, are handy, but I use them as an absolute last resort, and I use a regular collar in conjunction with the choke. I will use the regular one first to correct a behavior, if it doesn't work, immediately use the choke, then once I have a response, go back to the regular one. This keeps the dog from becoming dependent upon a more forceful piece of equipment. This technique does take some practice, since you will have to use two leashes, but you will get the hang of it eventually. But, a word of caution with chokes, use a pull and release, quick, firm, but NOT hard. You can do damage to the neck when you pull back on them too hard, much like whiplash for us.

 

Also, try this, if you have the coordination, balance and a bit of strength. Next time you walk him, give him slack. Just before he gets a body length ahead of you, give him a firm "heel" and take a step back and sideways, and PULL low and wide. You will have him running into the end of his line, and the angle with flip him around without hurting his neck. He should begin responding to the command "heel" soon, and you should be able to eventually expect him to go no farther a head than shoulder to hip. If he goes ahead, do it again, only sooner. When he positively responds and heels on command, be sure to praise him, first with tibits and love, later with fewer instances of tibits, but lots of love. Give him a reason to focus on you and want to know what you want of him.

 

After he knows how to heel, you can correct a lazy mistake by bumping him in the chest with your heel (left if he is walking on your right, and visa versa), if a verbal command doesn't correct him.

 

Consistency is definitely a big deal, and making sure every one handles him the same way will keep him from getting confused or learning to manipulate each one of you. But even more important, PRAISE! Why should he do what you want him to if there is nothing in it for him? Bullying him will only hold the potential of him resenting and/or fearing you. Be firm, but be super loving, too. Come across as the all knowing, all powerful, supreme pack leader who loves him to pieces.

 

Kim S.

 

 

[Guest guest]

I absolutely LOVE your advice Kim, thanks!! I didn't know the technique to get Daisey to "heel". I'm definitely going to try your suggestions!

Thanks!

Kelli

 

 

Kimberly Smith [k_frog100] Thursday, June 10, 2004 5:31 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - Choke collars

 

Next time you walk him, give him slack. Just before he gets a body length ahead of you, give him a firm "heel" and take a step back and sideways, and PULL low and wide. You will have him running into the end of his line, and the angle with flip him around without hurting his neck. He should begin responding to the command "heel" soon, and you should be able to eventually expect him to go no farther a head than shoulder to hip

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Very well stated Kim.

SuziKimberly Smith <k_frog100 wrote:

 

 

 

I am sure we all have our own opinions on things, and I am not trying to cause a problem, just want to put in my two cents on the issue.

 

If you do indeed have Border Collie in that pup, you got your work cut out for you. But, if you can get a handle on it, you will have an AWESOME dog in the end. I myself have an Aussie Shepherd and a Doberman. I love the Dobe, but the Aussie is my angel. Herding dogs are really something.

 

Choke collars, when used appropriately, are handy, but I use them as an absolute last resort, and I use a regular collar in conjunction with the choke. I will use the regular one first to correct a behavior, if it doesn't work, immediately use the choke, then once I have a response, go back to the regular one. This keeps the dog from becoming dependent upon a more forceful piece of equipment. This technique does take some practice, since you will have to use two leashes, but you will get the hang of it eventually. But, a word of caution with chokes, use a pull and release, quick, firm, but NOT hard. You can do damage to the neck when you pull back on them too hard, much like whiplash for us.

 

Also, try this, if you have the coordination, balance and a bit of strength. Next time you walk him, give him slack. Just before he gets a body length ahead of you, give him a firm "heel" and take a step back and sideways, and PULL low and wide. You will have him running into the end of his line, and the angle with flip him around without hurting his neck. He should begin responding to the command "heel" soon, and you should be able to eventually expect him to go no farther a head than shoulder to hip. If he goes ahead, do it again, only sooner. When he positively responds and heels on command, be sure to praise him, first with tibits and love, later with fewer instances of tibits, but lots of love. Give him a reason to focus on you and want to know what you want of him.

 

After he knows how to heel, you can correct a lazy mistake by bumping him in the chest with your heel (left if he is walking on your right, and visa versa), if a verbal command doesn't correct him.

 

Consistency is definitely a big deal, and making sure every one handles him the same way will keep him from getting confused or learning to manipulate each one of you. But even more important, PRAISE! Why should he do what you want him to if there is nothing in it for him? Bullying him will only hold the potential of him resenting and/or fearing you. Be firm, but be super loving, too. Come across as the all knowing, all powerful, supreme pack leader who loves him to pieces.

 

Kim S.

 

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Thanks for the input Kim.

 

We have tried some of your suggestions, it's just that we both got

too busy and were not spending as much time with his training as we

did in the beginning, something we recognized a bit ago and intend to

correct.

 

He gets praise always when good!

 

Thanks again

 

Sylvia

 

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<k_frog100@h...> wrote:

> I am sure we all have our own opinions on things, and I am not

trying to cause a problem, just want to put in my two cents on the

issue.

>

> If you do indeed have Border Collie in that pup, you got your work

cut out for you. But, if you can get a handle on it, you will have

an AWESOME dog in the end. I myself have an Aussie Shepherd and a

Doberman. I love the Dobe, but the Aussie is my angel. Herding dogs

are really something.

>

> Choke collars, when used appropriately, are handy, but I use them

as an absolute last resort, and I use a regular collar in conjunction

with the choke. I will use the regular one first to correct a

behavior, if it doesn't work, immediately use the choke, then once I

have a response, go back to the regular one. This keeps the dog from

becoming dependent upon a more forceful piece of equipment. This

technique does take some practice, since you will have to use two

leashes, but you will get the hang of it eventually. But, a word of

caution with chokes, use a pull and release, quick, firm, but NOT

hard. You can do damage to the neck when you pull back on them too

hard, much like whiplash for us.

>

> Also, try this, if you have the coordination, balance and a bit of

strength. Next time you walk him, give him slack. Just before he

gets a body length ahead of you, give him a firm " heel " and take a

step back and sideways, and PULL low and wide. You will have him

running into the end of his line, and the angle with flip him around

without hurting his neck. He should begin responding to the

command " heel " soon, and you should be able to eventually expect him

to go no farther a head than shoulder to hip. If he goes ahead, do

it again, only sooner. When he positively responds and heels on

command, be sure to praise him, first with tibits and love, later

with fewer instances of tibits, but lots of love. Give him a reason

to focus on you and want to know what you want of him.

>

> After he knows how to heel, you can correct a lazy mistake by

bumping him in the chest with your heel (left if he is walking on

your right, and visa versa), if a verbal command doesn't correct him.

>

> Consistency is definitely a big deal, and making sure every one

handles him the same way will keep him from getting confused or

learning to manipulate each one of you. But even more important,

PRAISE! Why should he do what you want him to if there is nothing in

it for him? Bullying him will only hold the potential of him

resenting and/or fearing you. Be firm, but be super loving, too.

Come across as the all knowing, all powerful, supreme pack leader who

loves him to pieces.

>

> Kim S.