Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 THE BEAST??? he is 90's pounds of insanity! and very disobedient! I was barely able to walk him when he weighed 45 or 50. Now he is a monster. In fact the other day when he got into trouble for ripping up the manure bags, hubby was scolding him and he was trying to run inside. I was at the sliding door and he pushed me so hard against the door jamb, i have a huge bruise on the bottom of my foot and on the inside of my arm. Plus he ate his harness and i dont have the spare cash for a new one. I am trying to figure out what i can do to get myself mobile. Sylvia herbal remedies , " Candace Podratz " <CandaceAndBrock@w...> wrote: > Don't you have a dog you could take for walks to ward off any coyotes!?! > > > Candace > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Hmmm maybe a choke chain just for walks so he stays with you? I know what you mean...I tried walking a friend's St. Bernard once and if he wouldn't have wanted to go home I never would have got him there, HE walked ME all over the place. Candace - " Sylvia " <h10feet <herbal remedies > Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:10 PM Herbal Remedies - walking psycho beast > THE BEAST??? he is 90's pounds of insanity! and very disobedient! > > I was barely able to walk him when he weighed 45 or 50. Now he is a > monster. In fact the other day when he got into trouble for ripping > up the manure bags, hubby was scolding him and he was trying to run > inside. I was at the sliding door and he pushed me so hard against > the door jamb, i have a huge bruise on the bottom of my foot and on > the inside of my arm. > > Plus he ate his harness and i dont have the spare cash for a new one. > > I am trying to figure out what i can do to get myself mobile. > > Sylvia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 LOL Walked " you " . Nah we dont like the idea of a choke chain. And if i were going to spend the case, it would just be for the new harness. The bummer is, we had just bought the harness and it was the next size up for him, it was slightly loose and just enough for him to get his mouth onto the part that goes aorund his chest. well a day later (it cost $20!) it was in shreds in the back yard! GRRRR this is the laest of what he has destroyed. Sylvia herbal remedies , " Candace Podratz " <CandaceAndBrock@w...> wrote: > Hmmm maybe a choke chain just for walks so he stays with you? I know what > you mean...I tried walking a friend's St. Bernard once and if he wouldn't > have wanted to go home I never would have got him there, HE walked ME all > over the place. > > Candace > > - > " Sylvia " <h10feet> > <herbal remedies > > Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:10 PM > Herbal Remedies - walking psycho beast > > > > THE BEAST??? he is 90's pounds of insanity! and very disobedient! > > > > I was barely able to walk him when he weighed 45 or 50. Now he is a > > monster. In fact the other day when he got into trouble for ripping > > up the manure bags, hubby was scolding him and he was trying to run > > inside. I was at the sliding door and he pushed me so hard against > > the door jamb, i have a huge bruise on the bottom of my foot and on > > the inside of my arm. > > > > Plus he ate his harness and i dont have the spare cash for a new one. > > > > I am trying to figure out what i can do to get myself mobile. > > > > Sylvia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 I’m not a dog person so take this as a grain of salt but I would shoot that thing. It's clearly dangerous and unless you have the money for some serious obedience training, he has to go. What would happen if one of the times you couldn't control him, he went after a baby or small child? Sylvia [h10feet] Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:10 AM herbal remedies Herbal Remedies - walking psycho beast THE BEAST??? he is 90's pounds of insanity! and very disobedient! I was barely able to walk him when he weighed 45 or 50. Now he is a monster. In fact the other day when he got into trouble for ripping up the manure bags, hubby was scolding him and he was trying to run inside. I was at the sliding door and he pushed me so hard against the door jamb, i have a huge bruise on the bottom of my foot and on the inside of my arm. Plus he ate his harness and i dont have the spare cash for a new one. I am trying to figure out what i can do to get myself mobile. Sylvia herbal remedies , " Candace Podratz " <CandaceAndBrock@w...> wrote: > Don't you have a dog you could take for walks to ward off any coyotes!?! > > > Candace > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Sylvia I'll reply tonite.... I had a 7 month old dobie mix that was 80 lbs.. went to 125 as grown.. He was hard to handle at first... I"ll continue this tonite. SuziLauren Bastow <lbastow wrote: I’m not a dog person so take this as a grain of salt but I would shootthat thing. It's clearly dangerous and unless you have the money forsome serious obedience training, he has to go. What would happen if oneof the times you couldn't control him, he went after a baby or smallchild?Sylvia [h10feet] Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:10 AMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - walking psycho beastTHE BEAST??? he is 90's pounds of insanity! and very disobedient!I was barely able to walk him when he weighed 45 or 50. Now he is a monster. In fact the other day when he got into trouble for ripping up the manure bags, hubby was scolding him and he was trying to run inside. I was at the sliding door and he pushed me so hard against the door jamb, i have a huge bruise on the bottom of my foot and on the inside of my arm.Plus he ate his harness and i dont have the spare cash for a new one.I am trying to figure out what i can do to get myself mobile.Sylviaherbal remedies , "Candace Podratz" wrote:> Don't you have a dog you could take for walks to ward off anycoyotes!?!> > > Candace> >Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any naturalremedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physicianand to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as longas they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and anyperson following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or productsfrom list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner andmembers free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 I guess he told you what he thinks of a harness!!!! - " Sylvia " <h10feet <herbal remedies > Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:37 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - walking psycho beast > LOL Walked " you " . Nah we dont like the idea of a choke chain. > > And if i were going to spend the case, it would just be for the new > harness. The bummer is, we had just bought the harness and it was > the next size up for him, it was slightly loose and just enough for > him to get his mouth onto the part that goes aorund his chest. well > a day later (it cost $20!) it was in shreds in the back yard! > > GRRRR this is the laest of what he has destroyed. > > Sylvia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Kept in the yard, he is physically harmless as long as one does not mind being jumped on and licked He's a puppy! only 10months old. My grandsons are safe with him, in fact he is laying in the living room watching a movie with them right now. Just when out of doors, Things can be unpredicatable, although in a serious situation, he could save my life. I reserve walking him for when hubby can be present until we can get him to obedience classes (which we hoped to do sooner). Sylvia _Remedies , " Lauren Bastow " <lbastow@s...> wrote: > I'm not a dog person so take this as a grain of salt but I would shoot > that thing. It's clearly dangerous and unless you have the money for > some serious obedience training, he has to go. What would happen if one > of the times you couldn't control him, he went after a baby or small > child? > > > Sylvia [h10feet] > Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:10 AM > herbal remedies > Herbal Remedies - walking psycho beast > > > THE BEAST??? he is 90's pounds of insanity! and very disobedient! > > I was barely able to walk him when he weighed 45 or 50. Now he is a > monster. In fact the other day when he got into trouble for ripping > up the manure bags, hubby was scolding him and he was trying to run > inside. I was at the sliding door and he pushed me so hard against > the door jamb, i have a huge bruise on the bottom of my foot and on > the inside of my arm. > > Plus he ate his harness and i dont have the spare cash for a new one. > > I am trying to figure out what i can do to get myself mobile. > > Sylvia > > herbal remedies , " Candace Podratz " > <CandaceAndBrock@w...> wrote: > > Don't you have a dog you could take for walks to ward off any > coyotes!?! > > > > > Candace > > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural > remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician > and to prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long > as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any > person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products > from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and > members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington@G... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 LOL...Nah, and then again maybe! he is just mischevious and a huge " chewer of things " He had one when he was smaller (a puppy sized one) and as he grew we had to size up. But the adult dog size was still just a teeny bit too big. He never chewed the first one at all? He's basically just a big dufus with 90pounds of muscle and teeth! Sylvia herbal remedies , " Candace Podratz " <CandaceAndBrock@w...> wrote: > I guess he told you what he thinks of a harness!!!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 LOL That describes my pups. Well....my pup. Candace - " Sylvia " <h10feet <herbal remedies > Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:10 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - walking psycho beast > He's basically just a big dufus with 90pounds of muscle and teeth! > > Sylvia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 My psycho beast is only 70 pounds, but she's very willful. I do have to use a choke chain with her when we go for a walk. What I've been doing lately is taking her to the park with my daughter, and if there's no one else around (frequently happens) we let her loose and call her to each of us as we stand many yards apart. We don't have to go anywhere but she runs like crazy! LOL! Once she's so tuckered out she's lying down, then I take her on the 3 mile run with me! LOL!! hee hee hee! When I get her home, she just lies on the floor panting! It's only about 30 minutes before she's psycho again, but those times when I've tuckered her out like that are wonderful!!! The choke chain does make a big difference for us. :)Kelli Candace Podratz [CandaceAndBrock] Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:17 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - walking psycho beastHmmm maybe a choke chain just for walks so he stays with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 hmmmm, now there's an idea, i can tire him out a bit before the walk! he's currently into " chase-the-tail " and all i have to do is point to it and say " get it " and he goes. round and round and round and round, he'll keep going as long as i encourage him, or until he gets tired of biting it. LOL Sylvia herbal remedies , " Kelli Bever " <kelli@c...> wrote: > My psycho beast is only 70 pounds, but she's very willful. I do have to use a choke chain with her when we go for a walk. What I've been doing lately is taking her to the park with my daughter, and if there's no one else around (frequently happens) we let her loose and call her to each of us as we stand many yards apart. We don't have to go anywhere but she runs like crazy! LOL! Once she's so tuckered out she's lying down, then I take her on the 3 mile run with me! LOL!! hee hee hee! > > Kelli > > ----- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 There you go! Excellent idea! You may only be able to walk him in circles after that, though! LOL!! hee hee Kelli Sylvia [h10feet] Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:46 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - walking psycho beasthmmmm, now there's an idea, i can tire him out a bit before the walk!he's currently into "chase-the-tail" and all i have to do is point to it and say "get it" and he goes. round and round and round and round, he'll keep going as long as i encourage him, or until he gets tired of biting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Sylvia, Sorry... I have a computer virus in my home computer that won't let me get to the internet... still trying to resolve it. So this will be brief as I'm at work.... you need the choke collar...first off. you need to start with "sit" using the choke collar and leash, pulling straight up with the choke and lead while pushing down the rear... master this first. then work on the walking... keeping him next to you... use short quick jerks to keep him in line.... Since your dog is not a pup so to speak anymore... for disciplining... first try the "mother" trick... which is how a mom corrects her pups... grab the back of neck and a quick jerk right and left while commanding the word "NO"... if this isn't working you will need to resort to a newspaper (I prefer the nose, if chewing etc) some prefer the rear... After awhile just the sound of the paper hitting your hand will correct.. For jumping, use your knee into his/her chest to knock them back and down... when they start to jump up on you, up comes the knee to their chest, with a firm "NO"... I'll explain more if this doesn't make sense.... gotta go back to work now. Suzi Sylvia <h10feet wrote: Kept in the yard, he is physically harmless as long as one does not mind being jumped on and licked He's a puppy! only 10months old. My grandsons are safe with him, in fact he is laying in the living room watching a movie with them right now. Just when out of doors, Things can be unpredicatable, although in a serious situation, he could save my life. Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 All of this makes total sense, with the exception of the choke chain. Do we really have to use the choke chain? When we tell him to sit, he usually obeys, but when he doesn't, i give a light tug on the back of his collar, we dont usually have to push his butt down anymore. The knee into the chest is cool for hubby but very tough for me and the grandkids and most of the other members of my family as we are all short. When he jumps, i have to push down on his sholders to lower him so i can knee his chest LOL. But i will keep trying of course. I'm really curious about the choke chain. I would like to know more on why this is preferred over the collar or harness. I really appreciate is Suzie! Sylvia herbal remedies , Suzanne <suziesgoats> wrote: > Sylvia, > Sorry... I have a computer virus in my home computer that won't let me get to the internet... still trying to resolve it. > So this will be brief as I'm at work.... > you need the choke collar...first off. > you need to start with " sit " using the choke collar and leash, pulling straight up with the choke and lead while pushing down the rear... master this first. > then work on the walking... keeping him next to you... use short quick jerks to keep him in line.... > Since your dog is not a pup so to speak anymore... for disciplining... first try the " mother " trick... which is how a mom corrects her pups... grab the back of neck and a quick jerk right and left while commanding the word " NO " ... if this isn't working you will need to resort to a newspaper (I prefer the nose, if chewing etc) some prefer the rear... > After awhile just the sound of the paper hitting your hand will correct.. For jumping, > use your knee into his/her chest to knock them back and down... when they start to jump up on you, up comes the knee to their chest, with a firm " NO " ... > I'll explain more if this doesn't make sense.... gotta go back to work now. > Suzi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 I HAVE to use a choke chain any time I tie up Shania. No matter how tight I have her regular collar, she pulls and pulls until it comes off. Candace - " Sylvia " <h10feet <herbal remedies > Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:38 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - walking psycho beast > All of this makes total sense, with the exception of the choke > chain. Do we really have to use the choke chain? > > When we tell him to sit, he usually obeys, but when he doesn't, i > give a light tug on the back of his collar, we dont usually have to > push his butt down anymore. > > The knee into the chest is cool for hubby but very tough for me and > the grandkids and most of the other members of my family as we are > all short. When he jumps, i have to push down on his sholders to > lower him so i can knee his chest LOL. But i will keep trying of > course. > > I'm really curious about the choke chain. I would like to know more > on why this is preferred over the collar or harness. > > I really appreciate is Suzie! > > Sylvia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Sylvia, I learned from one of the best... he is ex military.. he has trained obedience/retrieval (lost people)/bomb/drug/etc... He is fantastic... a regular collar will not have or be as effective as a choke collar... with a regular collar he WILL take you for a walk or run... with the choke (especially if you can give the "jerk" or quick tug) you have the upper hand and he will respond to it much more than a regular collar. I used a german choke collar on my big dog (not on the lab or the other though) A german choke collar has dull spikes that when the choke is pulled they poke ... very effective as this dog I got from the shelter could almost "drag" you along... He was very powerful (had a massive chest also) This was needed to get the point across that I was in charge NOT him. We were the best of buddies all thru his life... He just needed some "parenting". Ok, if you aren't able to bring your knee up high enough, how about your arm and fist... to bring the arm up (in a defense move) and then out with the fist.... In other words, the arm comes up across the front of you (paralleling the dog) and then swing the arm with clutched fist outward... firming saying NO at the same time.. Not seeing you and the dog I don't know heights to each other.... Another trick which I use sometimes (depending on the animal).. is a squirt gun.. You can use it at a distance and they don't realize it is coming from you but that when they go after that pair of shoes (cause they think you aren't around)...ZAP! (Aim for the face) Works for some dogs and alot of cats. Oh, forgot to tell you about the harness.... that is just a better way he can drag you with him. Remember, he's not getting hurt taking you for a walk - you are.... you have to reverse it that if he wants to go running with you on the end of the leash that he's the one going to suffer, not you. Also, if he is sitting, are you teaching him "STAY"? Suzi Sylvia <h10feet wrote: All of this makes total sense, with the exception of the choke chain. Do we really have to use the choke chain? When we tell him to sit, he usually obeys, but when he doesn't, i give a light tug on the back of his collar, we dont usually have to push his butt down anymore.The knee into the chest is cool for hubby but very tough for me and the grandkids and most of the other members of my family as we are all short. When he jumps, i have to push down on his sholders to lower him so i can knee his chest LOL. But i will keep trying of course.I'm really curious about the choke chain. I would like to know more on why this is preferred over the collar or harness.I Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 ROFL.. I had one dog who was given to me cause he was killing the farmer's chickens... He was an irish setter.. could pull his dog house with a choke collar... damest thing I ever saw... he was extremely strong.... this was 30 yrs ago before I knew what I know now... He eventually took off and someone picked him up and took him home... after that I never heard what happened to him. SuziCandace Podratz <CandaceAndBrock wrote: I HAVE to use a choke chain any time I tie up Shania. No matter how tight Ihave her regular collar, she pulls and pulls until it comes off.Candace- "Sylvia" Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:38 PMRe: Herbal Remedies - walking psycho beast> All of this makes total sense, with the exception of the choke> chain. Do we really have to use the choke chain?>> When we tell him to sit, he usually obeys, but when he doesn't, i> give a light tug on the back of his collar, we dont usually have to> push his butt down anymore.>> The knee into the chest is cool for hubby but very tough for me and> the grandkids and most of the other members of my family as we are> all short. When he jumps, i have to push down on his sholders to> lower him so i can knee his chest LOL. But i will keep trying of> course.>> I'm really curious about the choke chain. I would like to know more> on why this is preferred over the collar or harness.>> I really appreciate is Suzie!>> Sylvia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 My mom had an unusually large male German sheperd who they had to use a tractor chain to tie him up because he kept breaking his chains. They attached the tractor chain around his dog house and he would run around their yard dragging the dog house behind him. Sure slowed him down, though! Candace - Suzanne herbal remedies Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:03 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - walking psycho beast ROFL.. I had one dog who was given to me cause he was killing the farmer's chickens... He was an irish setter.. could pull his dog house with a choke collar... damest thing I ever saw... he was extremely strong.... this was 30 yrs ago before I knew what I know now... He eventually took off and someone picked him up and took him home... after that I never heard what happened to him. Suzi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Hi Sylvia, I do understand your hesitation to use the choke chain. I do use one with Daisey, however. Anyway, when I took Daisey to "puppy training" (when she was a petite 65 lbs!) the trainer wouldn't allow us to use choke chains and said that with dogs that needed it she would use the harness. I have never tried a harness. I guess I feel that I need a little more leverage with a large dog rather than it just being a contest of brute force, because I don't want to have to be a brute! LOL! Oh, I just remembered what two dog trainers have told me about dogs that jump up on you - turn your back on them! I've tried this with Daisey and it does work. Anyway, I think the biggest thing, no matter what your technique for any of the training is CONSISTENCY. Everyone in the house needs to know what the method is and use the same words, techniques, etc. This has helped the most in getting Daisey to calm down in the house. Now, taking her for a walk.... that's still an on-going struggle!! LOL!! :)Kelli Sylvia [h10feet] Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:39 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - walking psycho beastAll of this makes total sense, with the exception of the choke chain. Do we really have to use the choke chain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 You're right Kelli - consistency- every day... I think most trainers are afraid the choke collar will get abused... Does Daisy still try to jump on you when you face her now?? When you walk your dog do you start with her sitting? Important. she should not start before you... if she starts to go. you jerk the lead and choke collar. She sits back down..then when you're ready it's "heel" or "go" or whatever word you choose. You have to keep an alert eye about when they are getting ready to make their move... so that you have a chance to jerk them before they jerk you.. so to speak.. each time saying heel, no or whatever the situation needs. SuziKelli Bever <kelli wrote: Hi Sylvia, I do understand your hesitation to use the choke chain. I do use one with Daisey, however. Anyway, when I took Daisey to "puppy training" (when she was a petite 65 lbs!) the trainer wouldn't allow us to use choke chains and said that with dogs that needed it she would use the harness. I have never tried a harness. I guess I feel that I need a little more leverage with a large dog rather than it just being a contest of brute force, because I don't want to have to be a brute! LOL! Oh, I just remembered what two dog trainers have told me about dogs that jump up on you - turn your back on them! I've tried this with Daisey and it does work. Anyway, I think the biggest thing, no matter what your technique for any of the training is CONSISTENCY. Everyone in the house needs to know what the method is and use the same words, techniques, etc. This has helped the most in getting Daisey to calm down in the house. Now, taking her for a walk.... that's still an on-going struggle!! LOL!! Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Kelli, Its that Brute force issue that i think DH doesnt want us to use the choke chain for. But i think in the end, all the yelling and scolding i do is far worse. I guess one of my biggest problems is when the grandsons or other kids come by to visit. My neices are all very petite and the yongest grandson is only about 35lbs, they can all be easily knocked over and often are. I tell my grandson not to run from the dog and whatever he does, do not let him overcome him and press him tot he ground, but he does it anyway. Sadly this only serves to enforce that bad behavior. I spent alot of my day yesterday scolding the dog and the youngest G'son. One went for a nap and the other outside! Today it is just me and the animal and puppy is laying her beside me sleeping... peace at last! Sylvia herbal remedies , " Kelli Bever " <kelli@c...> wrote: > Hi Sylvia, > > I do understand your hesitation to use the choke chain. I do use one with Daisey, however. Anyway, when I took Daisey to " puppy training " (when she was a petite 65 lbs!) the trainer wouldn't allow us to use choke chains and said that with dogs that needed it she would use the harness. I have never tried a harness. I guess I feel that I need a little more leverage with a large dog rather than it just being a contest of brute force, because I don't want to have to be a brute! LOL! > > Oh, I just remembered what two dog trainers have told me about dogs that jump up on you - turn your back on them! I've tried this with Daisey and it does work. > > Anyway, I think the biggest thing, no matter what your technique for any of the training is CONSISTENCY. Everyone in the house needs to know what the method is and use the same words, techniques, etc. This has helped the most in getting Daisey to calm down in the house. Now, taking her for a walk.... that's still an on-going struggle!! LOL!! > > > > Kelli > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Sylvia <h10feet wrote: Kelli,Its that Brute force issue that i think DH doesnt want us to use the choke chain for. But i think in the end, all the yelling and scolding i do is far worse. Indeed it is.... the dog hears nothing but yelling and technically becomes immune to it.... Try not to yell... a stern voice when disciplining... try the back of the neck if you can do it... you'll know if you do it right.. he'll either yelp or act like he knows he is in trouble. Scoulding him and sending him outside really doesn't help cause he goes out away from you and then starts up again.I guess one of my biggest problems is when the grandsons or other kids come by to visit. My neices are all very petite and the yongest grandson is only about 35lbs, they can all be easily knocked over and often are. I tell my grandson not to run from the dog and whatever he does, do not let him overcome him and press him tot he ground, but he does it anyway. Sadly this only serves to enforce that bad behavior.I spent alot of my day yesterday scolding the dog and the youngest G'son. One went for a nap and the other outside!Today it is just me and the animal and puppy is laying her beside me sleeping... peace at last!Sylviaherbal remedies , "Kelli Bever" wrote:> Hi Sylvia,> > I do understand your hesitation to use the choke chain. I do use one with Daisey, however. Anyway, when I took Daisey to "puppy training" (when she was a petite 65 lbs!) the trainer wouldn't allow us to use choke chains and said that with dogs that needed it she would use the harness. I have never tried a harness. I guess I feel that I need a little more leverage with a large dog rather than it just being a contest of brute force, because I don't want to have to be a brute! LOL!> > Oh, I just remembered what two dog trainers have told me about dogs that jump up on you - turn your back on them! I've tried this with Daisey and it does work.> > Anyway, I think the biggest thing, no matter what your technique for any of the training is CONSISTENCY. Everyone in the house needs to know what the method is and use the same words, techniques, etc. This has helped the most in getting Daisey to calm down in the house. Now, taking her for a walk.... that's still an on-going struggle!! LOL!!> > > > Kelli> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Hi Suzi, No, Daisey isn't jumping as much as she used to. When she does, we put back in the "turn the back" thing and it works. The thing we are working on right now is that when we get home and let her in the house, she'll race around like it's the Indy 500. So, we're working on getting her to come in quietly and lie down. If she doesn't do this, she goes right back outside. It's working pretty good. The problem with taking her for a walk is that I don't have time in my schedule to do this consistently. I leave the house very early in the morning and don't come back until after dark most nights. I will need to be able to work with her every day, I think, if I'm going to get her to be good on a leash. Fortunately, she's not so bad that I never take her out. It just makes those times more of a challenge, for both of us! LOL! :)Kelli Suzanne [suziesgoats] Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:07 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - walking psycho beast You're right Kelli - consistency- every day... I think most trainers are afraid the choke collar will get abused... Does Daisy still try to jump on you when you face her now?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Hi Sylvia, Yes, sometimes it takes a lot to get the communication across to the dog! (Brute force or yelling. And I find both very tiring! LOL!) Daisey can't ignore my communication when I use the choke chain! And as Suzi mentioned, just use it to get their attention. It's not a "strangulation collar"! LOL! Glad things are calm for you today! By the way, did you try out the pasta maker last night??? How'd it go!?? :)Kelli Sylvia [h10feet] Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:16 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - walking psycho beastKelli,Its that Brute force issue that i think DH doesnt want us to use the choke chain for. But i think in the end, all the yelling and scolding i do is far worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Well gang... I talked to DH about the choke collar and he said absolutely not. He said when he can put a choke collar on me or I on him for not being obedient, then, and only then can we put one on the dog. He said puppy and the cats are far too intelligent beings to be treated that way and he is convinced that we can get him to be obedient with love and other corrective measures. We do use the paper on snout method when necessary, but even that i try to limit (mostly for chewing incedents) Thanks for all of your imput though. There are some ideas that i will be using and i am going to try to be more consistant on. Sylvia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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