Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Hi Glenn: What about water? Do you drink enough water? Have a great day! Mel apchat2000 [apchat] Monday, June 07, 2004 10:07 AM Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] The SSRI's Cause " Phlegm " Everyone here probably already knows this, but after nearly a year, the 4 acupuncturists who've treated me for chronic memory loss, inorgasmia, and urinary hesitancy brought on by taking Prozac and BuSpar for 6 years say that the SSRI's cause a condition known as " phlegm, " a stagnation in the body due to lack of exercise (aka " dampness " ). The SSRI's (i.e., Prozac) make you feel unmotivated, and a prolonged use of them acclimates the body to a slow pace, they say, so the condition may continue once the meds are stopped. I stopped taking these meds 2 years ago and still feel like I'm on them. I've spent $800 on acupuncture and herbs but am still not cured. One reason may be that I didn't exercise during treatment (not done for a variety of reasons). Now I'm exercising (30 mins of solid jogging 3- 4 times a week), and I'm hoping that someone here knows of a better, faster way to treat this condition? Or maybe that just by exercising and eating right (etc.) I'll cure myself? (How long before that happens?) The acupuncturists said that the thick yellow coating on my tongue shows that my middle and lower burners aren't working right, and that my spleen isn't extracting nutrients from food and that my lower burner isn't excreting toxins. They said phlegm is difficult to cure b/c it's " sticky, " and everything contributes to it. My diet has been bland (no sugar or dairy, nothing deep-fried, nothing terribly oily). I could cry that I work in New Jersey and can't eat bakery goods or NJ's excellent pizza...and I'll go nuts thinking about not eating ice cream this summer!! :-( I want to speed things up and don't want to spend a lot of money trying to find the right doctor. Any suggestions? Many, many thanks. glenn Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Acupuncture and Chinese medicine are great ways to fight illness but there are other remedies as well. Basicaly what’s happened is your body has become toxic due to all the drugs you’ve taken over the years. If all else has failed maybe what you need is a body cleanse. If your interested in more information email me offline. Liz _____ apchat2000 [apchat] Monday, June 07, 2004 10:07 AM Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] The SSRI's Cause " Phlegm " Everyone here probably already knows this, but after nearly a year, the 4 acupuncturists who've treated me for chronic memory loss, inorgasmia, and urinary hesitancy brought on by taking Prozac and BuSpar for 6 years say that the SSRI's cause a condition known as " phlegm, " a stagnation in the body due to lack of exercise (aka " dampness " ). The SSRI's (i.e., Prozac) make you feel unmotivated, and a prolonged use of them acclimates the body to a slow pace, they say, so the condition may continue once the meds are stopped. I stopped taking these meds 2 years ago and still feel like I'm on them. I've spent $800 on acupuncture and herbs but am still not cured. One reason may be that I didn't exercise during treatment (not done for a variety of reasons). Now I'm exercising (30 mins of solid jogging 3- 4 times a week), and I'm hoping that someone here knows of a better, faster way to treat this condition? Or maybe that just by exercising and eating right (etc.) I'll cure myself? (How long before that happens?) The acupuncturists said that the thick yellow coating on my tongue shows that my middle and lower burners aren't working right, and that my spleen isn't extracting nutrients from food and that my lower burner isn't excreting toxins. They said phlegm is difficult to cure b/c it's " sticky, " and everything contributes to it. My diet has been bland (no sugar or dairy, nothing deep-fried, nothing terribly oily). I could cry that I work in New Jersey and can't eat bakery goods or NJ's excellent pizza...and I'll go nuts thinking about not eating ice cream this summer!! :-( I want to speed things up and don't want to spend a lot of money trying to find the right doctor. Any suggestions? Many, many thanks. glenn Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: HYPERLINK " /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine " /comm unity/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 I can identify with your situation since I took antidepressants for 5 years and felt no better on them. In fact all my symptoms continued to get worse over the years. It is true that the medication can have a toll on your system but I doubt if that is the only place to look. You sound to me to be a chronic fatigue suffer too. There are various degrees of this and many, many reasons for it. You will find help in all areas of alternative health. Some will apply to you and others not. I am still beating down a path to get my system back to normal. The biggest problem is in knowing what caused things to go wrong in the first place? It is hard to nail the beginning. I wasn't told that I suffered from phlegm but from liver spleen deficiency and heat. But your description sounds very much like mine. I do think continuing acupuncture even further will show improvements because it took me 15 years to get as bad as I am right now and 10 treatments won't fix it quick. I had done many western herbs and cleanses first before finding acupuncture. What I found was that many of the treatments I tried just wasn't working. I didn't know why. It wasn't until I got understanding on how important and powerful the function is on getting the spleen and liver meridians strong again and to work. Once they work, your system will begin to do its job. It is like a plug that is pulled out of an electric socket. For the appliance to work you must have full contact with the energy source. If your liver energy isn't functioning then all the supplements you are taking won't work well for you. I feel I have a double whammy. I had a bad bout at first with yeast overgrowth for years and continued to feel sick. Read about how Mercury in our fillings can make us sick further and cause never ending yeast overgrowth. So I went out of my way to get my filling replace. Felt better but now I had to get the metals out of my body. Worked for the first year and then it stopped working. Spent years trying to get my constipation to change and it seemed I responded to nothing at all. Until I read about the control these meridians have on these very same symptoms connection the liver. I had an acupuncture treatment on my liver and spleen meridians and felt water trickling all around my ribs and down my back. My acupuncturist told me I was detoxing. How easy to detox this way. Not adding additional ingredients into the body for it to remove that on top of it as well. Remember healing naturally takes time, it is slow. At the same time my interest is in how some supplementation could only help support my system without overdoing it. I wonder if the acupuncture treatment alone will fix all the liver functions? I had tried with some success supplements with amino acids that helped target getting my moods up and detoxing some. I try not to over do it but wait until my body will take over and I don't need to try some of the supplements anymore. What I read about was the problem of a person detoxing because the metals in the fillings disrupt the function of the liver. Is that what happened? Did it also suppress the meridian function? Or did the medication I was taken suppress it first? Lots of things to think about but you might look into testing to see what your liver phases are doing. Some alternative doctors do this and many don't know about it. I can't find a good one around here. What ever caused things to go bad, I could take my pick. The acupuncturist told me that we are all born with deficiencies. They get worse as we get older. And as I look back to when I was very young I see signs that this imbalance was in the making way back then. I sometimes add a bowel cleanse for 4 days when my system gets stuck. Don't know why I work well and then don't anymore. But before I did acupuncture I did a bowel cleanse with very good results. I don't think I am finished with it, but again I don't think a full cleanse should be focused on at this time. I feel good on the small kick I give myself now and then. I had the worse time with memory any one could ask for. My body wasn't detoxing the chemicals in soaps I was using to take a bath. Some of those chemicals are nerve toxic. Like using your shampoo will irritate the nerves in your brain when it is absorbed. I couldn't think to cook or do dishes, I was very frightened. I tried a few supplements that helped. Now I don't use those products. Would like to mention that if your body isn't getting the minerals it needs your memory will suffer badly. Also a misaligned upper back can clog your thinking very much. I think acupuncture is the best place to start and to keep your treatments up. But look into other causes that might cater to those symptoms as well. I was wondering how many treatments you had? They suggest 10 visits should get a response. I took a little longer. Did you ever get that cool feeling that drifted through your meridian areas? That is one sign to look for to know you are getting a wellness response. Also when you are really very sick you have to look back and see how much improvement have you made so far? 25, 50, 75% ? None? That should help you decide where to stick your attention. I feel 75% improved since I got that energy that moved in my body, finally. I am sure to hang in there. Liz D. - apchat2000 Chinese Traditional Medicine 6/7/2004 7:07:23 AM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] The SSRI's Cause " Phlegm " Everyone here probably already knows this, but after nearly a year, the 4 acupuncturists who've treated me for chronic memory loss, inorgasmia, and urinary hesitancy brought on by taking Prozac and BuSpar for 6 years say that the SSRI's cause a condition known as " phlegm, " a stagnation in the body due to lack of exercise (aka " dampness " ). The SSRI's (i.e., Prozac) make you feel unmotivated, and a prolonged use of them acclimates the body to a slow pace, they say, so the condition may continue once the meds are stopped. I stopped taking these meds 2 years ago and still feel like I'm on them. I've spent $800 on acupuncture and herbs but am still not cured. One reason may be that I didn't exercise during treatment (not done for a variety of reasons). Now I'm exercising (30 mins of solid jogging 3- 4 times a week), and I'm hoping that someone here knows of a better, faster way to treat this condition? Or maybe that just by exercising and eating right (etc.) I'll cure myself? (How long before that happens?) The acupuncturists said that the thick yellow coating on my tongue shows that my middle and lower burners aren't working right, and that my spleen isn't extracting nutrients from food and that my lower burner isn't excreting toxins. They said phlegm is difficult to cure b/c it's " sticky, " and everything contributes to it. My diet has been bland (no sugar or dairy, nothing deep-fried, nothing terribly oily). I could cry that I work in New Jersey and can't eat bakery goods or NJ's excellent pizza...and I'll go nuts thinking about not eating ice cream this summer!! :-( I want to speed things up and don't want to spend a lot of money trying to find the right doctor. Any suggestions? Many, many thanks. glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Everyone here probably already knows this, but after nearly a year, the 4 acupuncturists who've treated me for chronic memory loss, inorgasmia, and urinary hesitancy brought on by taking Prozac and BuSpar for 6 years say that the SSRI's cause a condition known as " phlegm, " a stagnation in the body due to lack of exercise (aka " dampness " ). The SSRI's (i.e., Prozac) make you feel unmotivated, and a prolonged use of them acclimates the body to a slow pace, they say, so the condition may continue once the meds are stopped. I stopped taking these meds 2 years ago and still feel like I'm on them. I've spent $800 on acupuncture and herbs but am still not cured. One reason may be that I didn't exercise during treatment (not done for a variety of reasons). Now I'm exercising (30 mins of solid jogging 3- 4 times a week), and I'm hoping that someone here knows of a better, faster way to treat this condition? Or maybe that just by exercising and eating right (etc.) I'll cure myself? How long before that happens? The acupuncturists said that the thick yellow coating on my tongue shows that my middle and lower burners aren't working right, and that my spleen isn't extracting nutrients from food and that my lower burner isn't excreting toxins. They said phlegm is difficult to cure b/c it's " sticky, " and everything contributes to it. My diet has been bland (no sugar or dairy, nothing deep-fried, nothing terribly oily) for nearly a year. I could cry that I work in New Jersey and can't eat bakery goods or NJ's excellent pizza...and I'll go nuts thinking about not eating ice cream this summer!! :-( Anyway, I'm tired of this and of not being able to remember things. I want to speed things up and don't want to spend a lot of money trying to find the right doctor. Any suggestions? Many, many thanks. glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 It's all about a whole body cleanse at this point apchat2000 [apchat] Wednesday, June 09, 2004 4:47 AM herbal remedies Herbal Remedies - The SSRI's Cause " Phlegm " Everyone here probably already knows this, but after nearly a year, the 4 acupuncturists who've treated me for chronic memory loss, inorgasmia, and urinary hesitancy brought on by taking Prozac and BuSpar for 6 years say that the SSRI's cause a condition known as " phlegm, " a stagnation in the body due to lack of exercise (aka " dampness " ). The SSRI's (i.e., Prozac) make you feel unmotivated, and a prolonged use of them acclimates the body to a slow pace, they say, so the condition may continue once the meds are stopped. I stopped taking these meds 2 years ago and still feel like I'm on them. I've spent $800 on acupuncture and herbs but am still not cured. One reason may be that I didn't exercise during treatment (not done for a variety of reasons). Now I'm exercising (30 mins of solid jogging 3- 4 times a week), and I'm hoping that someone here knows of a better, faster way to treat this condition? Or maybe that just by exercising and eating right (etc.) I'll cure myself? How long before that happens? The acupuncturists said that the thick yellow coating on my tongue shows that my middle and lower burners aren't working right, and that my spleen isn't extracting nutrients from food and that my lower burner isn't excreting toxins. They said phlegm is difficult to cure b/c it's " sticky, " and everything contributes to it. My diet has been bland (no sugar or dairy, nothing deep-fried, nothing terribly oily) for nearly a year. I could cry that I work in New Jersey and can't eat bakery goods or NJ's excellent pizza...and I'll go nuts thinking about not eating ice cream this summer!! :-( Anyway, I'm tired of this and of not being able to remember things. I want to speed things up and don't want to spend a lot of money trying to find the right doctor. Any suggestions? Many, many thanks. glenn Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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