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Just read Heiko's article on MS. Beautiful Job

Alon

 

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Zev,

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of the clarity and purity of your thoughts.

 

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Zev,

Your emails mostly come up blank on my screen. I can only assume that its reflection

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[Guest guest]

Laura:

 

There is a section in Maccocia's book, gold cover, Fundamental of

, I believe, on MS. I have limited experience with it,

but remember considering LV, KI and SP deficiency.

 

Anne

 

heylaurag wrote:

 

> Hi, I'm wondering if anyone has advice for treating MS? I have been

> treating an MS patient for several months now, and the results are all

> over the place. I cannot make rhyme or reason as to why sometimes she

> gets amazing results after a treatment and other times not.

>

> She also has bipolor disorder and takes medications for that along

> with medications for MS. She is overweight, has some dampheat. At

> one point I treated her dampheat nightsweats and although the

> nightsweats greatly improved she missed a period--possibly because the

> damp draining points brought up yin deficiency.

>

> Her main complaint is extreme fatigue and depression. Her pulses are

> very weak and her tongue has a bit of a dirty coating which is thicker

> in the back (sometimes just a bit, sometimes a lot), central crack,

> red blood veins underneath tongue. Here are the types of points that

> I have generally done on her:

>

> right GB 41/left SJ 5; St 36; LI 10; Sp 3; UB 23; UB 20; Du 20; Du 16,

> Du 3 to go to legs. When dampheat gets worse I add K 10 or Sp

> 9--dampheat shows up as dark urine and nightsweats on the head. I

> haven't focused on things like scalp points for motor areas because

> that has not been her main concern.

>

> I use very sallow needling, just tapping the needles in. Sometimes

> she gets a real boost of energy from tx, sometimes not. Lately

> nothing has been working. She recently added Lythium to her

> medications because she was so depressed, and from what I can see its

> just made her more tired, but who knows.

>

> I've tried to talk to her about the Swank diet and eating a scrictly

> organic diet without food additives, but she still eats a fair amount

> of sugary food and her doctor told her there is no evidence that the

> Swank diet works.

>

> Any thoughts? She's a really neat person (although a bit frustrating

> as a patient!) and I'd really like to help her.

>

> Laura

 

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[Guest guest]

heavy metal chelation?

 

 

-

heylaurag

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:01 PM

MS

 

 

Hi, I'm wondering if anyone has advice for treating MS? I have been

treating an MS patient for several months now, and the results are all

over the place. I cannot make rhyme or reason as to why sometimes she

gets amazing results after a treatment and other times not.

 

She also has bipolor disorder and takes medications for that along

with medications for MS. She is overweight, has some dampheat. At

one point I treated her dampheat nightsweats and although the

nightsweats greatly improved she missed a period--possibly because the

damp draining points brought up yin deficiency.

 

Her main complaint is extreme fatigue and depression. Her pulses are

very weak and her tongue has a bit of a dirty coating which is thicker

in the back (sometimes just a bit, sometimes a lot), central crack,

red blood veins underneath tongue. Here are the types of points that

I have generally done on her:

 

right GB 41/left SJ 5; St 36; LI 10; Sp 3; UB 23; UB 20; Du 20; Du 16,

Du 3 to go to legs. When dampheat gets worse I add K 10 or Sp

9--dampheat shows up as dark urine and nightsweats on the head. I

haven't focused on things like scalp points for motor areas because

that has not been her main concern.

 

I use very sallow needling, just tapping the needles in. Sometimes

she gets a real boost of energy from tx, sometimes not. Lately

nothing has been working. She recently added Lythium to her

medications because she was so depressed, and from what I can see its

just made her more tired, but who knows.

 

I've tried to talk to her about the Swank diet and eating a scrictly

organic diet without food additives, but she still eats a fair amount

of sugary food and her doctor told her there is no evidence that the

Swank diet works.

 

Any thoughts? She's a really neat person (although a bit frustrating

as a patient!) and I'd really like to help her.

 

Laura

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://babel.altavista.com/

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Laura,

 

I'm a practitioner who came to TCM because I was diagnosed with aggressive

MS in 1998. 7 years later and I continue to be symptom free.

 

Are fatigue and depression her only symptoms? What were the symptoms that

resulted in the MS diagnosis in the first place?

 

Dermot

 

-

" heylaurag " <heylaurag

<Chinese Medicine >

Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:01 AM

MS

 

 

> Hi, I'm wondering if anyone has advice for treating MS? I have been

> treating an MS patient for several months now, and the results are all

> over the place. I cannot make rhyme or reason as to why sometimes she

> gets amazing results after a treatment and other times not.

>

> She also has bipolor disorder and takes medications for that along

> with medications for MS. She is overweight, has some dampheat. At

> one point I treated her dampheat nightsweats and although the

> nightsweats greatly improved she missed a period--possibly because the

> damp draining points brought up yin deficiency.

>

> Her main complaint is extreme fatigue and depression. Her pulses are

> very weak and her tongue has a bit of a dirty coating which is thicker

> in the back (sometimes just a bit, sometimes a lot), central crack,

> red blood veins underneath tongue. Here are the types of points that

> I have generally done on her:

>

> right GB 41/left SJ 5; St 36; LI 10; Sp 3; UB 23; UB 20; Du 20; Du 16,

> Du 3 to go to legs. When dampheat gets worse I add K 10 or Sp

> 9--dampheat shows up as dark urine and nightsweats on the head. I

> haven't focused on things like scalp points for motor areas because

> that has not been her main concern.

>

> I use very sallow needling, just tapping the needles in. Sometimes

> she gets a real boost of energy from tx, sometimes not. Lately

> nothing has been working. She recently added Lythium to her

> medications because she was so depressed, and from what I can see its

> just made her more tired, but who knows.

>

> I've tried to talk to her about the Swank diet and eating a scrictly

> organic diet without food additives, but she still eats a fair amount

> of sugary food and her doctor told her there is no evidence that the

> Swank diet works.

>

> Any thoughts? She's a really neat person (although a bit frustrating

> as a patient!) and I'd really like to help her.

>

> Laura

>

 

> http://babel.altavista.com/

>

>

> and adjust

> accordingly.

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>

[Guest guest]

what 5 E pattern are you treating?

 

holmes

 

heylaurag wrote:

 

> Hi, I'm wondering if anyone has advice for treating MS? I have been

> treating an MS patient for several months now, and the results are all

> over the place. I cannot make rhyme or reason as to why sometimes she

> gets amazing results after a treatment and other times not.

>

> She also has bipolor disorder and takes medications for that along

> with medications for MS. She is overweight, has some dampheat. At

> one point I treated her dampheat nightsweats and although the

> nightsweats greatly improved she missed a period--possibly because the

> damp draining points brought up yin deficiency.

>

> Her main complaint is extreme fatigue and depression. Her pulses are

> very weak and her tongue has a bit of a dirty coating which is thicker

> in the back (sometimes just a bit, sometimes a lot), central crack,

> red blood veins underneath tongue. Here are the types of points that

> I have generally done on her:

>

> right GB 41/left SJ 5; St 36; LI 10; Sp 3; UB 23; UB 20; Du 20; Du 16,

> Du 3 to go to legs. When dampheat gets worse I add K 10 or Sp

> 9--dampheat shows up as dark urine and nightsweats on the head. I

> haven't focused on things like scalp points for motor areas because

> that has not been her main concern.

>

> I use very sallow needling, just tapping the needles in. Sometimes

> she gets a real boost of energy from tx, sometimes not. Lately

> nothing has been working. She recently added Lythium to her

> medications because she was so depressed, and from what I can see its

> just made her more tired, but who knows.

>

> I've tried to talk to her about the Swank diet and eating a scrictly

> organic diet without food additives, but she still eats a fair amount

> of sugary food and her doctor told her there is no evidence that the

> Swank diet works.

>

> Any thoughts? She's a really neat person (although a bit frustrating

> as a patient!) and I'd really like to help her.

>

> Laura

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Have you tried SP/ST divergent meridian?

--- heylaurag <heylaurag wrote:

> Hi, I'm wondering if anyone has advice for treating

> MS? I have been

> treating an MS patient for several months now, and

> the results are all

> over the place. I cannot make rhyme or reason as to

> why sometimes she

> gets amazing results after a treatment and other

> times not.

>

> She also has bipolor disorder and takes medications

> for that along

> with medications for MS. She is overweight, has

> some dampheat. At

> one point I treated her dampheat nightsweats and

> although the

> nightsweats greatly improved she missed a

> period--possibly because the

> damp draining points brought up yin deficiency.

>

> Her main complaint is extreme fatigue and

> depression. Her pulses are

> very weak and her tongue has a bit of a dirty

> coating which is thicker

> in the back (sometimes just a bit, sometimes a lot),

> central crack,

> red blood veins underneath tongue. Here are the

> types of points that

> I have generally done on her:

>

> right GB 41/left SJ 5; St 36; LI 10; Sp 3; UB 23; UB

> 20; Du 20; Du 16,

> Du 3 to go to legs. When dampheat gets worse I add

> K 10 or Sp

> 9--dampheat shows up as dark urine and nightsweats

> on the head. I

> haven't focused on things like scalp points for

> motor areas because

> that has not been her main concern.

>

> I use very sallow needling, just tapping the needles

> in. Sometimes

> she gets a real boost of energy from tx, sometimes

> not. Lately

> nothing has been working. She recently added Lythium

> to her

> medications because she was so depressed, and from

> what I can see its

> just made her more tired, but who knows.

>

> I've tried to talk to her about the Swank diet and

> eating a scrictly

> organic diet without food additives, but she still

> eats a fair amount

> of sugary food and her doctor told her there is no

> evidence that the

> Swank diet works.

>

> Any thoughts? She's a really neat person (although

> a bit frustrating

> as a patient!) and I'd really like to help her.

>

> Laura

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Hello Laura,

 

MS is certainly a complex ball of wax. But what no one has pointed out

was that Bipolar Disorder is also another complex disease. If you don't

have Bob Flaws book on Psychiatric medicine, look into it and read up.

 

Over all, you have to treat the pattern, and all of them at once. This

will probably not be in any book.

 

I've been doing research on MS myself because I will be teaching a class

on Tai Chi and Qi Gong. Luckily the classes were separated into two

groups, walking and in wheel chair, which is roughly where two major

patterns split.

 

Phlegm heat invasion of some sort happens initially,

 

 

then moving into a compilation of possible Blood vacuity patterns,

 

but definitely Liver/ and or Kidney vacuity.

 

I found a lot of information doing search online with MS and Chinese

medicine.

 

The other question to look into is what meds has she been on, how long.

From your article, it sounds like she just started taking Lithium. If

it is not helping her, suggest strongly that she talk to her doctor

about it. Lithium is a toxic medicine and highly addictive, with some

horrible withdrawal effects-- like psychosis. Which will make her

situations much more difficult.

 

Lithium weighs down the heart, but the heart doesn't like to be weighted

down too long.

 

What is her lifestyle right now, and is there anyway you can help her

slow down and start cultivating some Qi?

 

That's all I have, Good luck.

Rozz

 

 

heylaurag wrote:

> Hi, I'm wondering if anyone has advice for treating MS? I have been

> treating an MS patient for several months now, and the results are all

> over the place. I cannot make rhyme or reason as to why sometimes she

> gets amazing results after a treatment and other times not.

>

[Guest guest]

Type in Multiple Sclerosis

Gayla Roberts

Always Enough Ranch

Acampo, California

Check out our SALE PAGE at

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A day without Bill Barnhill is like a day without sunshine!

goatclearing

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day. Elbert Hubbard

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" Chris Kelly " <Purrrdy

 

Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:57 PM

MS

 

 

>I am many digest behind...what is new? Good news is that all of the

> herbs are in the cellar for the winter! YEA!!

>

> I tried searching through the archived messages to find info on this

> affliction.....but seems a bit odd with their searching

> capabilities here as of late. When typing in MS.....it brings up

> every single word that has " ms " in it! UGH When I searched for " MS "

> I got close to the same thing

>

> At any rate, a very dear friend of mine who has had auto immune

> problems as well as back problems for years has now learned that all

> of her problems may indicate MS. Any thoughts?

>

> Chris Kelly

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Chris,

 

Sorry to hear about your friend. This might sound weird, but... does

she drink Diet Coke? Aspartame use over time can develop MS type

symptoms.

 

Just a thought.

Michelle

[Guest guest]

Type in Multiple Sclerosis

Gayla Roberts

 

Hi Gayla and all,

 

Those darned archive searches never work in these groups. I've tried

them numerous times including the group I own/moderate. Wish they did

work though! When I typed in " Multiple Sclerosis " the last two posts

were all that came up.

 

Michelle

[Guest guest]

I run a non profit for MS if you want information.

www.friendswithms.com <http://www.friendswithms.com/>

you can also go to www.nmss.org <http://www.nmss.org/> and www.msaa.com

<http://www.msaa.com/>

 

Veronica Davidson

<http://www.veronicaslavishlathers.com>

http://www.veronicaslavishlathers.com

<http://www.friendswithms.com> http://www.friendswithms.com

 

 

On Behalf Of Gayla Roberts

Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:12 PM

 

Re: MS

 

Type in Multiple Sclerosis

Gayla Roberts

Always Enough Ranch

Acampo, California

Check out our SALE PAGE at

www.bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenoughhobbysale.html

A day without Bill Barnhill is like a day without sunshine!

goatclearing

http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html

No one ever gets far unless he accomplishes the impossible at least once

a

day. Elbert Hubbard

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" Chris Kelly " <Purrrdy

 

Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:57 PM

MS

 

 

>I am many digest behind...what is new? Good news is that all of the

> herbs are in the cellar for the winter! YEA!!

>

> I tried searching through the archived messages to find info on this

> affliction.....but seems a bit odd with their searching

> capabilities here as of late. When typing in MS.....it brings up

> every single word that has " ms " in it! UGH When I searched for " MS "

> I got close to the same thing

>

> At any rate, a very dear friend of mine who has had auto immune

> problems as well as back problems for years has now learned that all

> of her problems may indicate MS. Any thoughts?

>

> Chris Kelly

>

>

>

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Hi Chris:

 

When you say your friend has auto immune problems, could it possibly be MDS?

I am having problems with this only it has been diagonosed as

Myelodysplastic Sydrome. I have researched the Mayo Clinic site for

information on the disease. I hope this will help you find the information

you are looking for. If I can be of any more help, just let me know. I

also have back problems (had three back surgeries in four months) and still

have trouble especially since it caused permanent nerve damage in my right

leg.

 

Blessings and love,

Effie

 

>At any rate, a very dear friend of mine who has had auto immune

>problems as well as back problems for years has now learned that all

>of her problems may indicate MS. Any thoughts?

>

>Chris Kelly

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Chris,

 

Please tell your friend to not give up hope.

 

There is so much that can be done to manage life with MS!!

The only thing lacking is a magic bullet cure,

Western style.

 

But I know several people who have lived

long and worthwhile lives with MS.

 

This is the work of a lifetime.

All aspects of life come into play, body,

mind and spirit.

 

She needs to learn the right balance

between rest and exercise, for her.

 

Food has to be organic and pure.

Healing arts can be hugely helpful.

Anything that stimulates the free flow of

Life Force.

Reflexology, Reiki, Healing Touch, Tai Chi

(like a diy healing art) yoga, etc.

EFT has been used with success.

 

ANY auto-immune condition benefits from

detoxing and healing the gut and optimizing the digestive system.

 

You don't need a diagnosis for this.

It is health building, not disease treating.

 

Herbs or formulas that heal leaky gut are

vital.

There is a neat website by a lady who

overcame MS using a special form of

chiropractic and whole foods.

 

She also has a consulting service.

She only works with people who

are willing to take responsibility for

their own health.

 

Take a look at Bonnie Selzer here:

http://outsmartingms.com

In case your friend does decide to

call her, please tell her I sent her.

Just for the sake of friendship.

We have connected a few times.

 

Ien in the Kootenays

*******************************

Stop. Breathe. Smile!

~Padma ( my TV yoga teacher)

See my smiling face:

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[Guest guest]

Cindy,

 

This is not TCM but I would look at John McDougall's interview

with Dr. Roy Swank, MD, founder of the Low Fat Diet treatment for

multiple sclerosis. Find it at

http://www.drmcdougall.com/swank_interview.html

 

You can find TCM articles at http://www.itmonline.org/

 

Be well...mm

 

 

, John Conlin

<shadowseeker99 wrote:

>

> Hello All,

>

> I am a practitioner of just under a year and I am looking at my

own > diagnosis of MS.

[Guest guest]

Hi Yvette, Thanks for reading my site. The main things that I did for my health that promoted the most healing is Fasting and cleansing out the organs then following a lifestyle change by eating healthy organic foods and drinking plenty of water and exercise. Now for the most difficult one was getting over everything that needed to get over, I have spent more time and energy on the mind then anything else, mentally I am far better off then I was 5 years ago. The most that I hope from my website is to help others so they don't have to go threw all the pain and suffering and the worse left with no hope. If I can just help one person not to live that way, it makes this all worth it. Just always remember what can enter can exit. Let me know if you have any more questions... GinaYvette LaPort <pylaport wrote: Hi Gina??I took care of a wonderful woman for 7 years who hadMS, she passed away from complications of it a yearago, as I was reading your story all I could do wascry as an answer was as close as this group. Couldyou please give me more info about what you did as Iknow that a few of this women's friends and a cousin Ibelieve also have MS. I have done the MS walks toraise money but if there is a natural caure, Heck YEAI am all about that!!!Thanks for your time, Yvette

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There is a natural cure! It involves the following: Since MS is an auto immune disease, it can be corrected with diet/lifestyle. 1) Absolutely NO Dairy products except butter (butter is a fat, it contains no proteins, however, olive oil should be the fat of choice). 2) Cut down on meats as much as possible. 3) Increase intake of salmon (wild caught is better than farm raised). 4) wait 3 months and improvement should begin! Hi Gina??I took care of a wonderful woman for 7 years who hadMS, she passed away from complications of it a yearago, as I was reading your story all I could do wascry as an answer was as close as this group. Couldyou please give me more info about what you did as Iknow that a

few of this women's friends and a cousin Ibelieve also have MS. I have done the MS walks toraise money but if there is a natural caure, Heck YEAI am all about that!!!Thanks for your time, Yvette

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Hi Roger, Do you know anything about Lou Gericks Disease ( i'm guessing on the spelling ) A friend of mine just found out he has this and i was wondering if you or anyone else knew much about it . Anything he could take to get rid of this or help with it ? I'm not sure what it does . Any help would be appreciated. Thank You !

Chris Roger Jenkins <starbucks_coffee_stinks wrote: There is a natural cure! It involves the following: Since MS is an auto immune disease, it can be corrected with diet/lifestyle. 1) Absolutely NO Dairy products except butter (butter is a fat, it contains no proteins, however, olive oil should be the fat of choice). 2) Cut down on meats as much as possible. 3) Increase intake of salmon (wild caught is better than farm raised). 4) wait 3 months and improvement should begin! Hi Gina??I took care of a

wonderful woman for 7 years who hadMS, she passed away from complications of it a yearago, as I was reading your story all I could do wascry as an answer was as close as this group. Couldyou please give me more info about what you did as Iknow that a few of this women's friends and a cousin Ibelieve also have MS. I have done the MS walks toraise money but if there is a natural caure, Heck YEAI am all about that!!!Thanks for your time, Yvette How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Hi, This is a great site about MS. webspawner.com/users/multscler1/index.html Hope this helps. Blessings, Shirley Gina Kopera <ginakopera1 wrote: Hi Yvette, Thanks for reading my site. The main things that I did for my health that

promoted the most healing is Fasting and cleansing out the organs then following a lifestyle change by eating healthy organic foods and drinking plenty of water and exercise. Now for the most difficult one was getting over everything that needed to get over, I have spent more time and energy on the mind then anything else, mentally I am far better off then I was 5 years ago. The most that I hope from my website is to help others so they don't have to go threw all the pain and suffering and the worse left with no hope. If I can just help one person not to live that way, it makes this all worth it. Just always remember what can enter can exit. Let me know if you have any more questions... GinaYvette LaPort <pylaport wrote: Hi Gina??I

took care of a wonderful woman for 7 years who hadMS, she passed away from complications of it a yearago, as I was reading your story all I could do wascry as an answer was as close as this group. Couldyou please give me more info about what you did as Iknow that a few of this women's friends and a cousin Ibelieve also have MS. I have done the MS walks toraise money but if there is a natural caure, Heck YEAI am all about that!!!Thanks for your time, Yvette Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low

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Do a Total Body Cleanse, I dont think anyone can go wrong with that. Christine Miller <earthchild.flower wrote: Hi Roger, Do you know anything about Lou Gericks Disease ( i'm guessing on the spelling ) A friend of mine just found out he has this and i was

wondering if you or anyone else knew much about it . Anything he could take to get rid of this or help with it ? I'm not sure what it does . Any help would be appreciated. Thank You ! Chris Roger Jenkins <starbucks_coffee_stinks wrote: There is a natural cure! It involves the following: Since MS is an auto immune disease, it can be corrected with diet/lifestyle. 1) Absolutely NO Dairy products except butter (butter is a fat, it contains no proteins, however, olive oil should be the fat of choice). 2) Cut down on meats as much as possible. 3) Increase intake of salmon (wild caught

is better than farm raised). 4) wait 3 months and improvement should begin! Hi Gina??I took care of a wonderful woman for 7 years who hadMS, she passed away from complications of it a yearago, as I was reading your story all I could do wascry as an answer was as close as this group. Couldyou please give me more info about what you did as Iknow that a few of this women's friends and a cousin Ibelieve also have MS. I have done the MS walks toraise money but if there is a natural caure, Heck YEAI am all about that!!!Thanks for your time, Yvette

How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list

members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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You can get rid of the MS, I did. There isnt a herb that will do it for you, you will have to do a total body cleanse. Look in the files of this group to see how to go about it. If you would like to read my story go to www.ginakopera.com . Let me know if you have any questions. Ginalynanncol <lynanncol wrote: I was diagnosed 7 years ago and am wondering if there are any herbs that would help with this disease.Have a Happy and Healthy Day, Gina Kopera

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Mant cures/remissions of MS exist in the alternative medical literature. Such as body cleansing, vegetarianism, NO DAIRY PRODUCTS and aloe vera supplemantation.Gina Kopera <ginakopera1 wrote: You can get rid of the MS, I did. There isnt a herb that will do it for you, you will have to do a total body cleanse. Look in the files of this group to see how to go about it. If you would like to read my story go to www.ginakopera.com . Let me know if you have any questions. Ginalynanncol <lynanncol wrote: I was diagnosed 7 years ago and am wondering if there are any herbs that would help with this

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I beat my MS with a raw food diet. No meat, no dairy, no grains, no gluten, only live, raw, uncooked fruits and veggies. Here is my testimonial: http://www.webspawner.com/users/jansmsconquest/index.html It can be done! It may be diffcult to follow such a strict diet, but I'd rather live and walk, than be confined to a wheelchair! I no longer take any prescription medicines, and, as a side effect, I lost 81 pounds following this diet, so I am no longer morbidly obese! Nice side effect! Jan lynanncol <lynanncol wrote: I was diagnosed 7 years ago and am wondering if there are any herbs that would help with this disease

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