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I saw a couple of posts regarding statin drugs and wanted to share the

following information with you.  This is to inform and not to scare

anyone, but the information is important. & #65007; & #65007;

& #65007; & #65007;Statin drugs such as Zoxor, Pravachol, Mevacor, and Crestor have

the

potential to cause muscle damage.  They may also lead to a fatal muscle

wasting disease called Rhabdomylosis.  Rhabdomylosis can occur in

patients with pre-exisitng conditions and the disease causes muscle

cells to be destroyed then released into the bloodstream where it can

then cause patients to suffer from kidney failure. & #65007; & #65007;

& #65007; & #65007;High doses of statin drugs can result in muscle pain and

tenderness. 

Moderate muscle aching can also occur from taking statin drugs.  If

anyone experiences this type of muscle pain, tenderness, moderate

muscle aching they should contact their physician immediately and

advise them that they will be stopping the drug.  The muscle aches

usually go away within a couple of weeks of stopping the statin

drug. & #65007; & #65007;

& #65007; & #65007;Natural alternatives to statin drugs are fermented forms of soy

such as

tempeh. Almonds, red yeast extract, and cinnamon are also very good

natural alternatives to statin drugs.

 

I hope this information was helpful

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chironurse,

 

Thank you for that information. I go to the Primary Care Physcian next week. He

had placed me on Lovistatin for High Cholesterol and since taking it I've made a

major change to my diet. So I'm hoping that blood test come back with such a

change that I'll be able to drop the meds.

 

~ Melani Holt ~

 

* Make the most of today because you're not promised tomorrow!*

*Behind every great woman is herself!*

*Do unto others as you would have them do unto you!*

*Take care of your health with Massage, Exercise, Chiropractic and Traditional

!*

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protect their privacy.***

 

: chironurse: Wed, 12 Nov

2008 06:19:01 +0000 Cautions about statin drugs

 

 

 

I saw a couple of posts regarding statin drugs and wanted to share the following

information with you. This is to inform and not to scare anyone, but the

information is important. & #65007; & #65007; & #65007; & #65007;Statin drugs such as

Zoxor, Pravachol, Mevacor, and Crestor have the potential to cause muscle

damage. They may also lead to a fatal muscle wasting disease called

Rhabdomylosis. Rhabdomylosis can occur in patients with pre-exisitng conditions

and the disease causes muscle cells to be destroyed then released into the

bloodstream where it can then cause patients to suffer from kidney

failure. & #65007; & #65007; & #65007; & #65007;High doses of statin drugs can result in

muscle pain and tenderness. Moderate muscle aching can also occur from taking

statin drugs. If anyone experiences this type of muscle pain, tenderness,

moderate muscle aching they should contact their physician immediately and

advise them that they will be stopping the drug. The muscle aches usually go

away within a couple of weeks of stopping the statin

drug. & #65007; & #65007; & #65007; & #65007;Natural alternatives to statin drugs are

fermented forms of soy such as tempeh. Almonds, red yeast extract, and cinnamon

are also very good natural alternatives to statin drugs.I hope this information

was helpful

 

 

 

 

 

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I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking to a physician

whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than lower cholesterol, they

also reduce inflammation which is a major causative factor in heart attack and

disease even for those with good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to

fight systemic inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be

many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or rheumatoid

arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side effects. I take high dose

time released Niacin to help raise my low HDL, another risk factor for heart

disease. Unfortunately it also elevates glucose levels and mine have been

elevated to the point of being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a

risk factor. So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy

to decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade offs with each

decision. I have also tried all the other recommended ways to raise HDL but as

it can have a very genetic predisposition it can be an upward struggle.

 

I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol levels don't tell the

whole story. Their are different molecular structures of both LDL and HDL. So

someone could have elevated LDL or low HDL but if they have one of the more

" healthy " ones then the risk is much reduced.

 

I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I realize these

matters are a personal choice and not always easy to come by.

 

http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?nl=1

 

http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-diseases/Can-Dise\

ases-Cause-High-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1

 

http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-diseases/Clone-of\

-Recurrent-Stress-and-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1

 

http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-diseases/C-Reacti\

ve-Protein-A-Cardiovascular-Risk-Factor-.htm

 

 

Richard

 

Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

 

---Pema Chödrön

 

 

 

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I have had Rhabdomylosis I caught it early and stoped statins and it

went away. One thing it did do was cause me to ask questions. Here

is one: If God made us why would He include a chemical unbalanced and

able to kill us by clogging the arties. If it was evolution then why

was this not selected out?

 

That question led me to another which was. What does cholestoral

do? Big Pharma says it clogs our arties causing blockages. Does

it? Plaque in our arties is not made up of Cholestoral. Found out

that Cholestoral actually is a carrier for things such as Co Q10 and

fat soluble vitamins. Are those vitamins and Co Q10 bad then?

 

Just some thoughts running through my head

DP

 

 

 

 

, Melani Holt

<massages_by_melanie wrote:

>

>

> chironurse,

>

> Thank you for that information. I go to the Primary Care Physcian

next week. He had placed me on Lovistatin for High Cholesterol and

since taking it I've made a major change to my diet. So I'm hoping

that blood test come back with such a change that I'll be able to

drop the meds.

>

> ~ Melani Holt ~

>

> * Make the most of today because you're not promised tomorrow!*

> *Behind every great woman is herself!*

> *Do unto others as you would have them do unto you!*

> *Take care of your health with Massage, Exercise, Chiropractic and

Traditional !*

> <>< <>< <><

> ***When sending a group email I send it to myself and then BCC

everyone to protect their privacy.***

>

> : chironurse: Wed, 12 Nov 2008

06:19:01 +0000 Cautions about statin

drugs

>

>

>

> I saw a couple of posts regarding statin drugs and wanted to share

the following information with you. This is to inform and not to

scare anyone, but the information is

important. & #65007; & #65007; & #65007; & #65007;Statin drugs such as Zoxor,

Pravachol, Mevacor, and Crestor have the potential to cause muscle

damage. They may also lead to a fatal muscle wasting disease called

Rhabdomylosis. Rhabdomylosis can occur in patients with pre-exisitng

conditions and the disease causes muscle cells to be destroyed then

released into the bloodstream where it can then cause patients to

suffer from kidney failure. & #65007; & #65007; & #65007; & #65007;High doses

of statin drugs can result in muscle pain and tenderness. Moderate

muscle aching can also occur from taking statin drugs. If anyone

experiences this type of muscle pain, tenderness, moderate muscle

aching they should contact their physician immediately and advise

them that they will be stopping the drug. The muscle aches usually

go away within a couple of weeks of stopping the statin

drug. & #65007; & #65007; & #65007; & #65007;Natural alternatives to statin

drugs are fermented forms of soy such as tempeh. Almonds, red yeast

extract, and cinnamon are also very good natural alternatives to

statin drugs.I hope this information was helpful

>

>

>

>

>

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Statins are toxic drugs and should not even be considered as a way

of lowering cholesterol. There are many ways to raise HDL such as

omega 3 fish oil or flax oil. Cholesterol has gotten a bad rap, and

is not nearly as bad as Dr.s are telling people. You need both types

of cholesterol to survive, and if you eat a balanced diet of healthy

food, cholesterol will not be a problem. The Pharmaceutical industry

has brain washed and wrongly trained most Dr's into their way of

thinking in order to sell more of their toxic poisons. Always go

with a natural remedy instead of taking toxic drugs. Statins are

some of the worst drugs out there and have harmed way more people

than they have helped.....by far!!!

 

People need to be more pro-active in their own health care and quit

relying on brain washed Dr's that are merely pill pushers for Big

Pharma. Over 100,000 people died last year from taking Phamacutical

drugs prescribed by their Dr's. The Dr's are trained by the drug

reps that work for the drug makers. It's more about the profits of

B.P. than it is about your health. There are natural alternatives to

all drugs if you look. They are cheaper and better for you too.

 

 

 

, " RNR " <rnr4biz wrote:

>

> I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking to

a physician whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than

lower cholesterol, they also reduce inflammation which is a major

causative factor in heart attack and disease even for those with

good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to fight systemic

inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be

many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or

rheumatoid arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side

effects. I take high dose time released Niacin to help raise my low

HDL, another risk factor for heart disease. Unfortunately it also

elevates glucose levels and mine have been elevated to the point of

being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a risk factor.

So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy to

decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade offs

with each decision. I have also tried all the other recommended

ways to raise HDL but as it can have a very genetic predisposition

it can be an upward struggle.

>

> I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol levels

don't tell the whole story. Their are different molecular

structures of both LDL and HDL. So someone could have elevated LDL

or low HDL but if they have one of the more " healthy " ones then the

risk is much reduced.

>

> I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I

realize these matters are a personal choice and not always easy to

come by.

>

> http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?

nl=1

>

> http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-

diseases/Can-Diseases-Cause-High-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1

>

> http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-

diseases/Clone-of-Recurrent-Stress-and-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1

>

> http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-

diseases/C-Reactive-Protein-A-Cardiovascular-Risk-Factor-.htm

>

>

> Richard

>

> Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

>

> ---Pema

Chödrön

>

>

>

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This is just a personal experience to relate and I am not suggesting anyone

should stop statins without a professional's help...but... My mother , in her

mid to late 80's was put on a statin for high cholesterol or so her doctor said.

She ate well. Her weight was good and general health very good. Her diet

consisted of mainly fruit and veggies and a little chicken or fish that she

steamed for herself. She walked as far as she could each day depending on the

weather and her energy level. Her life without the statin had been full and

very healthy. One day, after about 4 years on the drug, I had to take her to

ER as her legs were weak and she could hardly walk at all or get up off her

chair. It was a sudden and scary experience for her. The doctor at ER said it

was old age and at 91 she should expect such things. Her personal doctor said

about the same. I went home and read about statins and confirmed my fears. I

went to the local pharmacist and told him what was happening.

He said, no, not your mother.... not old age... I see her walking all the time.

It very well could be the drug. He said she could come off it without harm and

to check with her doctor. She told her doctor she was going off it and in two

weeks she was back to normal walking as she did.... briskly and having back the

enjoyment of what she liked to do and what kept her general health going. She

had to start using a cane after that, but that was safer considering her walks.

Since then I have talked to many people who had muscle weakness with statins.

They were scared into taking it as was my mother.

 

 

-

Gary<thebigyeast

To:

< >

Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:09 PM

Re:Cautions about statin drugs

 

 

Statins are toxic drugs and should not even be considered as a way

of lowering cholesterol. There are many ways to raise HDL such as

omega 3 fish oil or flax oil. Cholesterol has gotten a bad rap, and

is not nearly as bad as Dr.s are telling people. You need both types

of cholesterol to survive, and if you eat a balanced diet of healthy

food, cholesterol will not be a problem. The Pharmaceutical industry

has brain washed and wrongly trained most Dr's into their way of

thinking in order to sell more of their toxic poisons. Always go

with a natural remedy instead of taking toxic drugs. Statins are

some of the worst drugs out there and have harmed way more people

than they have helped.....by far!!!

 

People need to be more pro-active in their own health care and quit

relying on brain washed Dr's that are merely pill pushers for Big

Pharma. Over 100,000 people died last year from taking Phamacutical

drugs prescribed by their Dr's. The Dr's are trained by the drug

reps that work for the drug makers. It's more about the profits of

B.P. than it is about your health. There are natural alternatives to

all drugs if you look. They are cheaper and better for you too.

 

--- In

<%40>,

" RNR " <rnr4biz wrote:

>

> I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking to

a physician whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than

lower cholesterol, they also reduce inflammation which is a major

causative factor in heart attack and disease even for those with

good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to fight systemic

inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be

many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or

rheumatoid arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side

effects. I take high dose time released Niacin to help raise my low

HDL, another risk factor for heart disease. Unfortunately it also

elevates glucose levels and mine have been elevated to the point of

being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a risk factor.

So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy to

decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade offs

with each decision. I have also tried all the other recommended

ways to raise HDL but as it can have a very genetic predisposition

it can be an upward struggle.

>

> I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol levels

don't tell the whole story. Their are different molecular

structures of both LDL and HDL. So someone could have elevated LDL

or low HDL but if they have one of the more " healthy " ones then the

risk is much reduced.

>

> I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I

realize these matters are a personal choice and not always easy to

come by.

>

>

http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?<http://choleste\

rol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?>

nl=1

>

>

http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-<http://cholester\

ol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and->

diseases/Can-Diseases-Cause-High-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1

>

>

http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-<http://cholester\

ol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and->

diseases/Clone-of-Recurrent-Stress-and-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1

>

>

http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-<http://cholester\

ol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and->

diseases/C-Reactive-Protein-A-Cardiovascular-Risk-Factor-.htm

>

>

> Richard

>

> Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

>

> ---Pema

Chödrön

>

>

>

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Gary,

 

You are entitled to your opinion on statin drugs but please do it separately

from my post. There is a wide body of research out there and as I've said

before people tend to choose the studies that support their own opinions. I

would never tell anyone at risk of heart disease or who had heart disease to

stop statin drugs. I would never put myself in a position that might influence

someone's health without the ultimate outcome being known. Health is very

individual. How would you know if someone's LDL or HDL was genetic or due to

lifestyle or a combination of both? How would you know which molecular type of

LDL or HDL someone had that would be more definitive as to what those levels

meant. You wouldn't. I have met Marathon runners who have a healthy diet but

still had heart attacks. As a jogging vegetarian who developed heart disease I

refuse to let someone make me feel guilty that I didn't do the best for my

health. I was the one biking 30 miles while my sedentary over weight friends

sat and watched TV. Of course diet and exercise affect overall health including

risk for heart disease but not all living things are born equally genetically.

It was due to my overall health that I was able to walk four miles two weeks

after a heart attack and then walk two miles less than two weeks after heart

surgery. Don't ever imply to a group of women with breast cancer that if only

they had taken better care of themselves they wouldn't have developed breast

cancer even with a genetic predisposition in their families. We can't blame

everything on genetics but likewise we can't blame everything on lifestyle.

Reality is when it happens to you.

 

Richard

 

Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

 

---Pema Chödrön

 

 

 

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Also people should check more into Ayurvedic natural herbal medications,

people get good results for cholesterol with Suddha Gugglu, and High blood

pressurre Mukta Vati, etc. I heard Lipitor can cause muscle problems too and

effects walking.

 

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Cholestrol is not just for clogging arteries. It also builds every

cell in the body as well as being the base componant for every

hormone in the body. It is only a marker not the cause of the heart

problems. The cause is more life style and choices of an indiviual.

 

 

 

 

 

, " Donna Misseres "

<sagemeadow wrote:

>

> This is just a personal experience to relate and I am not

suggesting anyone should stop statins without a professional's

help...but... My mother , in her mid to late 80's was put on a

statin for high cholesterol or so her doctor said. She ate well.

Her weight was good and general health very good. Her diet consisted

of mainly fruit and veggies and a little chicken or fish that she

steamed for herself. She walked as far as she could each day

depending on the weather and her energy level. Her life without the

statin had been full and very healthy. One day, after about 4 years

on the drug, I had to take her to ER as her legs were weak and she

could hardly walk at all or get up off her chair. It was a sudden

and scary experience for her. The doctor at ER said it was old age

and at 91 she should expect such things. Her personal doctor said

about the same. I went home and read about statins and confirmed my

fears. I went to the local pharmacist and told him what was

happening.

> He said, no, not your mother.... not old age... I see her walking

all the time. It very well could be the drug. He said she could

come off it without harm and to check with her doctor. She told her

doctor she was going off it and in two weeks she was back to normal

walking as she did.... briskly and having back the enjoyment of what

she liked to do and what kept her general health going. She had to

start using a cane after that, but that was safer considering her

walks.

> Since then I have talked to many people who had muscle weakness

with statins. They were scared into taking it as was my mother.

>

>

> -

> Gary<thebigyeast

> To:

<@grou

ps.com>

> Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:09 PM

> Re:Cautions about statin drugs

>

>

> Statins are toxic drugs and should not even be considered as a

way

> of lowering cholesterol. There are many ways to raise HDL such as

> omega 3 fish oil or flax oil. Cholesterol has gotten a bad rap,

and

> is not nearly as bad as Dr.s are telling people. You need both

types

> of cholesterol to survive, and if you eat a balanced diet of

healthy

> food, cholesterol will not be a problem. The Pharmaceutical

industry

> has brain washed and wrongly trained most Dr's into their way of

> thinking in order to sell more of their toxic poisons. Always go

> with a natural remedy instead of taking toxic drugs. Statins are

> some of the worst drugs out there and have harmed way more people

> than they have helped.....by far!!!

>

> People need to be more pro-active in their own health care and

quit

> relying on brain washed Dr's that are merely pill pushers for Big

> Pharma. Over 100,000 people died last year from taking

Phamacutical

> drugs prescribed by their Dr's. The Dr's are trained by the drug

> reps that work for the drug makers. It's more about the profits of

> B.P. than it is about your health. There are natural alternatives

to

> all drugs if you look. They are cheaper and better for you too.

>

> --- In

<%

40>, " RNR " <rnr4biz@> wrote:

> >

> > I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking

to

> a physician whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than

> lower cholesterol, they also reduce inflammation which is a major

> causative factor in heart attack and disease even for those with

> good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to fight systemic

> inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be

> many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or

> rheumatoid arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side

> effects. I take high dose time released Niacin to help raise my

low

> HDL, another risk factor for heart disease. Unfortunately it also

> elevates glucose levels and mine have been elevated to the point

of

> being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a risk

factor.

> So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy

to

> decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade

offs

> with each decision. I have also tried all the other recommended

> ways to raise HDL but as it can have a very genetic

predisposition

> it can be an upward struggle.

> >

> > I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol

levels

> don't tell the whole story. Their are different molecular

> structures of both LDL and HDL. So someone could have elevated

LDL

> or low HDL but if they have one of the more " healthy " ones then

the

> risk is much reduced.

> >

> > I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I

> realize these matters are a personal choice and not always easy

to

> come by.

> >

> > http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?

<http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?>

> nl=1

> >

> > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-

<http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and->

> diseases/Can-Diseases-Cause-High-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1

> >

> > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-

<http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and->

> diseases/Clone-of-Recurrent-Stress-and-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1

> >

> > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-

<http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and->

> diseases/C-Reactive-Protein-A-Cardiovascular-Risk-Factor-.htm

> >

> >

> > Richard

> >

> > Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

> >

> > ---Pema

> Chödrön

> >

> >

> >

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Hi Donna, I also have gone through the same issues while on statin drugs. The

problem is that you tell your doctor about the problems in your legs and muscles

and they seem to not care. My lupus doctor suggested I gradually go off the

statins and move over to Omega 3-6-9- which is what I did. It was rather

expensive to continue to buy these from the health food store. My doctor gave me

a prescription for Lovaza- which contain Omaga 3-6-9 but can be giving in a

prescription form and there fore I receive it free from the insurance companies.

Has any one else taken this drug?

Hope this helps all.

Izabel

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, Donna Misseres <sagemeadow wrote:

 

Donna Misseres <sagemeadow

Re: Re:Cautions about statin drugs

 

Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 11:40 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is just a personal experience to relate and I am not suggesting anyone

should stop statins without a professional' s help...but.. . My mother , in her

mid to late 80's was put on a statin for high cholesterol or so her doctor said.

She ate well. Her weight was good and general health very good. Her diet

consisted of mainly fruit and veggies and a little chicken or fish that she

steamed for herself. She walked as far as she could each day depending on the

weather and her energy level. Her life without the statin had been full and very

healthy. One day, after about 4 years on the drug, I had to take her to ER as

her legs were weak and she could hardly walk at all or get up off her chair. It

was a sudden and scary experience for her. The doctor at ER said it was old age

and at 91 she should expect such things. Her personal doctor said about the

same. I went home and read about statins and confirmed my fears. I went to the

local pharmacist and told him

what was happening.

He said, no, not your mother.... not old age... I see her walking all the time.

It very well could be the drug. He said she could come off it without harm and

to check with her doctor. She told her doctor she was going off it and in two

weeks she was back to normal walking as she did.... briskly and having back the

enjoyment of what she liked to do and what kept her general health going. She

had to start using a cane after that, but that was safer considering her walks.

Since then I have talked to many people who had muscle weakness with statins.

They were scared into taking it as was my mother.

 

-

Gary<thebigyeast@ >

<@ .

com>

Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:09 PM

Re:Cautions about statin drugs

 

Statins are toxic drugs and should not even be considered as a way

of lowering cholesterol. There are many ways to raise HDL such as

omega 3 fish oil or flax oil. Cholesterol has gotten a bad rap, and

is not nearly as bad as Dr.s are telling people. You need both types

of cholesterol to survive, and if you eat a balanced diet of healthy

food, cholesterol will not be a problem. The Pharmaceutical industry

has brain washed and wrongly trained most Dr's into their way of

thinking in order to sell more of their toxic poisons. Always go

with a natural remedy instead of taking toxic drugs. Statins are

some of the worst drugs out there and have harmed way more people

than they have helped.....by far!!!

 

People need to be more pro-active in their own health care and quit

relying on brain washed Dr's that are merely pill pushers for Big

Pharma. Over 100,000 people died last year from taking Phamacutical

drugs prescribed by their Dr's. The Dr's are trained by the drug

reps that work for the drug makers. It's more about the profits of

B.P. than it is about your health. There are natural alternatives to

all drugs if you look. They are cheaper and better for you too.

 

<Alternative Answers%40g

roups.com> , " RNR " <rnr4biz > wrote:

>

> I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking to

a physician whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than

lower cholesterol, they also reduce inflammation which is a major

causative factor in heart attack and disease even for those with

good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to fight systemic

inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be

many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or

rheumatoid arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side

effects. I take high dose time released Niacin to help raise my low

HDL, another risk factor for heart disease. Unfortunately it also

elevates glucose levels and mine have been elevated to the point of

being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a risk factor.

So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy to

decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade offs

with each decision. I have also tried all the other recommended

ways to raise HDL but as it can have a very genetic predisposition

it can be an upward struggle.

>

> I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol levels

don't tell the whole story. Their are different molecular

structures of both LDL and HDL. So someone could have elevated LDL

or low HDL but if they have one of the more " healthy " ones then the

risk is much reduced.

>

> I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I

realize these matters are a personal choice and not always easy to

come by.

>

> http://cholesterol. about.com/ od/aboutcholeste rol/f/hccauses.

htm?<http://cholesterol. about.com/ od/aboutcholeste rol/f/hccauses. htm?>

nl=1

>

> http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions-

and-<http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and->

diseases/Can- Diseases- Cause-High- Cholesterol. htm?nl=1

>

> http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions-

and-<http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and->

diseases/Clone- of-Recurrent- Stress-and- Cholesterol. htm?nl=1

>

> http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions-

and-<http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and->

diseases/C-Reactive -Protein- A-Cardiovascular -Risk-Factor- .htm

>

>

> Richard

>

> Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

>

> ---Pema

Chödrön

>

>

>

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Very well said, Richard.

 

Michelle

 

 

Don't ever imply to a group of women with breast cancer that if only

they had taken better care of themselves they wouldn't have developed

breast cancer even with a genetic predisposition in their families. We

can't blame everything on genetics but likewise we can't blame

everything on lifestyle. Reality is when it happens to you.

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I've been wondering what is omega 3-6-9 is it different from omega 3?  Thanks,

Genevive

 

 

--- On Fri, 11/21/08, izabel5740 <izabel5740 wrote:

izabel5740 <izabel5740

Re: Re:Cautions about statin drugs

 

Friday, November 21, 2008, 3:15 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Donna, I also have gone through the same issues while on statin

drugs. The problem is that you tell your doctor about the problems in your legs

and muscles and they seem to not care. My lupus doctor suggested I gradually go

off the statins and move over to Omega 3-6-9- which is what I did. It was rather

expensive to continue to buy these from the health food store. My doctor gave me

a prescription for Lovaza- which contain Omaga 3-6-9 but can be giving in a

prescription form and there fore I receive it free from the insurance companies.

 

Has any one else taken this drug?

 

Hope this helps all.

 

Izabel

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 11/19/08, Donna Misseres <sagemeadow (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

Donna Misseres <sagemeadow (AT) msn (DOT) com>

 

Re: Re:Cautions about statin drugs

 

 

 

Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 11:40 AM

 

 

 

This is just a personal experience to relate and I am not suggesting anyone

should stop statins without a professional' s help...but.. . My mother , in her

mid to late 80's was put on a statin for high cholesterol or so her doctor said.

She ate well. Her weight was good and general health very good. Her diet

consisted of mainly fruit and veggies and a little chicken or fish that she

steamed for herself. She walked as far as she could each day depending on the

weather and her energy level. Her life without the statin had been full and very

healthy. One day, after about 4 years on the drug, I had to take her to ER as

her legs were weak and she could hardly walk at all or get up off her chair. It

was a sudden and scary experience for her. The doctor at ER said it was old age

and at 91 she should expect such things. Her personal doctor said about the

same. I went home and read about statins and confirmed my fears. I went to the

local pharmacist and told him

 

what was happening.

 

He said, no, not your mother.... not old age... I see her walking all the time.

It very well could be the drug. He said she could come off it without harm and

to check with her doctor. She told her doctor she was going off it and in two

weeks she was back to normal walking as she did.... briskly and having back the

enjoyment of what she liked to do and what kept her general health going. She

had to start using a cane after that, but that was safer considering her walks.

 

Since then I have talked to many people who had muscle weakness with statins.

They were scared into taking it as was my mother.

 

 

 

-

 

Gary< thebigyeast@ >

 

<Alternat iveAnswers@

. com>

 

Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:09 PM

 

Re:Cautions about statin drugs

 

 

 

Statins are toxic drugs and should not even be considered as a way

 

of lowering cholesterol. There are many ways to raise HDL such as

 

omega 3 fish oil or flax oil. Cholesterol has gotten a bad rap, and

 

is not nearly as bad as Dr.s are telling people. You need both types

 

of cholesterol to survive, and if you eat a balanced diet of healthy

 

food, cholesterol will not be a problem. The Pharmaceutical industry

 

has brain washed and wrongly trained most Dr's into their way of

 

thinking in order to sell more of their toxic poisons. Always go

 

with a natural remedy instead of taking toxic drugs. Statins are

 

some of the worst drugs out there and have harmed way more people

 

than they have helped.....by far!!!

 

 

 

People need to be more pro-active in their own health care and quit

 

relying on brain washed Dr's that are merely pill pushers for Big

 

Pharma. Over 100,000 people died last year from taking Phamacutical

 

drugs prescribed by their Dr's. The Dr's are trained by the drug

 

reps that work for the drug makers. It's more about the profits of

 

B.P. than it is about your health. There are natural alternatives to

 

all drugs if you look. They are cheaper and better for you too.

 

 

 

<Alternat ive Answers%40g

roups.com> , " RNR " <rnr4biz > wrote:

 

>

 

> I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking to

 

a physician whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than

 

lower cholesterol, they also reduce inflammation which is a major

 

causative factor in heart attack and disease even for those with

 

good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to fight systemic

 

inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be

 

many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or

 

rheumatoid arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side

 

effects. I take high dose time released Niacin to help raise my low

 

HDL, another risk factor for heart disease. Unfortunately it also

 

elevates glucose levels and mine have been elevated to the point of

 

being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a risk factor.

 

So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy to

 

decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade offs

 

with each decision. I have also tried all the other recommended

 

ways to raise HDL but as it can have a very genetic predisposition

 

it can be an upward struggle.

 

>

 

> I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol levels

 

don't tell the whole story. Their are different molecular

 

structures of both LDL and HDL. So someone could have elevated LDL

 

or low HDL but if they have one of the more " healthy " ones then the

 

risk is much reduced.

 

>

 

> I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I

 

realize these matters are a personal choice and not always easy to

 

come by.

 

>

 

> http://cholesterol. about.com/ od/aboutcholeste rol/f/hccauses.

htm?<http://cholesterol. about.com/ od/aboutcholeste rol/f/hccauses. htm?>

 

nl=1

 

>

 

> http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions-

and-<http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and->

 

diseases/Can- Diseases- Cause-High- Cholesterol. htm?nl=1

 

>

 

> http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions-

and-<http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and->

 

diseases/Clone- of-Recurrent- Stress-and- Cholesterol. htm?nl=1

 

>

 

> http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions-

and-<http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and->

 

diseases/C-Reactive -Protein- A-Cardiovascular -Risk-Factor- .htm

 

>

 

>

 

> Richard

 

>

 

> Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

 

>

 

> ---Pema

 

Chödrön

 

>

 

>

 

>

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Genevive:

 

Omega 3-6-9 refers to a combination of Omega 3, Omega 6, and Omega 9 oil

in a single supplement. Most people get much more Omega 6 than they

actually need and for anyone who uses Olive oil on a regular basis Omega

9 is probably not an issue. There are a couple of other sources of

Omega 9 as well. Omega 3 is the biggie that most people are severely

deficient in.

 

Live with passion and purpose,

 

Vanessa Denham

http://www.incontrol-consulting.com/HealingCruise

 

Jenifer wrote:

>

> I've been wondering what is omega 3-6-9 is it different from omega 3?

> Thanks, Genevive

>

 

 

 

 

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Hi a great testimony; my name is Anna; this is what I heard by a Dr.

 

The reason Statin drugs cause weakness is;

 

Statin drugs deplete Co Enzyme A

 

Co Enzyme A is what turns into Co Enzyme Q10

 

but here is the whole key

 

Pantothenic Acid Vitamin B5 creates Co Enzyme A

 

This is found in ordinary Bee Pollen; vitmamin B5 Pantthentic Acid

 

long story short

 

Oridanry Bee Pollen can help prevent weakness due to Statin drugs; A.-

-- In , " Donna Misseres "

<sagemeadow wrote:

>

> This is just a personal experience to relate and I am not

suggesting anyone should stop statins without a professional's

help...but... My mother , in her mid to late 80's was put on a

statin for high cholesterol or so her doctor said. She ate well.

Her weight was good and general health very good. Her diet consisted

of mainly fruit and veggies and a little chicken or fish that she

steamed for herself. She walked as far as she could each day

depending on the weather and her energy level. Her life without the

statin had been full and very healthy. One day, after about 4 years

on the drug, I had to take her to ER as her legs were weak and she

could hardly walk at all or get up off her chair. It was a sudden

and scary experience for her. The doctor at ER said it was old age

and at 91 she should expect such things. Her personal doctor said

about the same. I went home and read about statins and confirmed my

fears. I went to the local pharmacist and told him what was

happening.

> He said, no, not your mother.... not old age... I see her walking

all the time. It very well could be the drug. He said she could

come off it without harm and to check with her doctor. She told her

doctor she was going off it and in two weeks she was back to normal

walking as she did.... briskly and having back the enjoyment of what

she liked to do and what kept her general health going. She had to

start using a cane after that, but that was safer considering her

walks.

> Since then I have talked to many people who had muscle weakness

with statins. They were scared into taking it as was my mother.

>

>

> -

> Gary<thebigyeast

> To:

<@grou

ps.com>

> Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:09 PM

> Re:Cautions about statin drugs

>

>

> Statins are toxic drugs and should not even be considered as a

way

> of lowering cholesterol. There are many ways to raise HDL such as

> omega 3 fish oil or flax oil. Cholesterol has gotten a bad rap,

and

> is not nearly as bad as Dr.s are telling people. You need both

types

> of cholesterol to survive, and if you eat a balanced diet of

healthy

> food, cholesterol will not be a problem. The Pharmaceutical

industry

> has brain washed and wrongly trained most Dr's into their way of

> thinking in order to sell more of their toxic poisons. Always go

> with a natural remedy instead of taking toxic drugs. Statins are

> some of the worst drugs out there and have harmed way more people

> than they have helped.....by far!!!

>

> People need to be more pro-active in their own health care and

quit

> relying on brain washed Dr's that are merely pill pushers for Big

> Pharma. Over 100,000 people died last year from taking

Phamacutical

> drugs prescribed by their Dr's. The Dr's are trained by the drug

> reps that work for the drug makers. It's more about the profits of

> B.P. than it is about your health. There are natural alternatives

to

> all drugs if you look. They are cheaper and better for you too.

>

> --- In

<%

40>, " RNR " <rnr4biz@> wrote:

> >

> > I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking

to

> a physician whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than

> lower cholesterol, they also reduce inflammation which is a major

> causative factor in heart attack and disease even for those with

> good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to fight systemic

> inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be

> many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or

> rheumatoid arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side

> effects. I take high dose time released Niacin to help raise my

low

> HDL, another risk factor for heart disease. Unfortunately it also

> elevates glucose levels and mine have been elevated to the point

of

> being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a risk

factor.

> So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy

to

> decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade

offs

> with each decision. I have also tried all the other recommended

> ways to raise HDL but as it can have a very genetic

predisposition

> it can be an upward struggle.

> >

> > I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol

levels

> don't tell the whole story. Their are different molecular

> structures of both LDL and HDL. So someone could have elevated

LDL

> or low HDL but if they have one of the more " healthy " ones then

the

> risk is much reduced.

> >

> > I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I

> realize these matters are a personal choice and not always easy

to

> come by.

> >

> > http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?

<http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?>

> nl=1

> >

> > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-

<http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and->

> diseases/Can-Diseases-Cause-High-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1

> >

> > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-

<http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and->

> diseases/Clone-of-Recurrent-Stress-and-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1

> >

> > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-

<http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and->

> diseases/C-Reactive-Protein-A-Cardiovascular-Risk-Factor-.htm

> >

> >

> > Richard

> >

> > Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

> >

> > ---Pema

> Chödrön

> >

> >

> >

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Hi a great testimony; my name is Anna; this is what I heard by a Dr.

 

The reason Statin drugs cause weakness is;

 

Statin drugs deplete Co Enzyme A

 

Co Enzyme A is what turns into Co Enzyme Q10

 

but here is the whole key

 

Pantothenic Acid Vitamin B5 creates Co Enzyme A

 

This is found in ordinary Bee Pollen; vitmamin B5 Pantthentic Acid

 

long story short

 

Oridanry Bee Pollen can help prevent weakness due to Statin drugs; A.-

-- In , " Donna Misseres "

<sagemeadow wrote:

>

> This is just a personal experience to relate and I am not

suggesting anyone should stop statins without a professional's

help...but... My mother , in her mid to late 80's was put on a

statin for high cholesterol or so her doctor said. She ate well.

Her weight was good and general health very good. Her diet consisted

of mainly fruit and veggies and a little chicken or fish that she

steamed for herself. She walked as far as she could each day

depending on the weather and her energy level. Her life without the

statin had been full and very healthy. One day, after about 4 years

on the drug, I had to take her to ER as her legs were weak and she

could hardly walk at all or get up off her chair. It was a sudden

and scary experience for her. The doctor at ER said it was old age

and at 91 she should expect such things. Her personal doctor said

about the same. I went home and read about statins and confirmed my

fears. I went to the local pharmacist and told him what was

happening.

> He said, no, not your mother.... not old age... I see her walking

all the time. It very well could be the drug. He said she could

come off it without harm and to check with her doctor. She told her

doctor she was going off it and in two weeks she was back to normal

walking as she did.... briskly and having back the enjoyment of what

she liked to do and what kept her general health going. She had to

start using a cane after that, but that was safer considering her

walks.

> Since then I have talked to many people who had muscle weakness

with statins. They were scared into taking it as was my mother.

>

>

> -

> Gary<thebigyeast

> To:

<@grou

ps.com>

> Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:09 PM

> Re:Cautions about statin drugs

>

>

> Statins are toxic drugs and should not even be considered as a

way

> of lowering cholesterol. There are many ways to raise HDL such as

> omega 3 fish oil or flax oil. Cholesterol has gotten a bad rap,

and

> is not nearly as bad as Dr.s are telling people. You need both

types

> of cholesterol to survive, and if you eat a balanced diet of

healthy

> food, cholesterol will not be a problem. The Pharmaceutical

industry

> has brain washed and wrongly trained most Dr's into their way of

> thinking in order to sell more of their toxic poisons. Always go

> with a natural remedy instead of taking toxic drugs. Statins are

> some of the worst drugs out there and have harmed way more people

> than they have helped.....by far!!!

>

> People need to be more pro-active in their own health care and

quit

> relying on brain washed Dr's that are merely pill pushers for Big

> Pharma. Over 100,000 people died last year from taking

Phamacutical

> drugs prescribed by their Dr's. The Dr's are trained by the drug

> reps that work for the drug makers. It's more about the profits of

> B.P. than it is about your health. There are natural alternatives

to

> all drugs if you look. They are cheaper and better for you too.

>

> --- In

<%

40>, " RNR " <rnr4biz@> wrote:

> >

> > I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking

to

> a physician whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than

> lower cholesterol, they also reduce inflammation which is a major

> causative factor in heart attack and disease even for those with

> good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to fight systemic

> inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be

> many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or

> rheumatoid arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side

> effects. I take high dose time released Niacin to help raise my

low

> HDL, another risk factor for heart disease. Unfortunately it also

> elevates glucose levels and mine have been elevated to the point

of

> being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a risk

factor.

> So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy

to

> decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade

offs

> with each decision. I have also tried all the other recommended

> ways to raise HDL but as it can have a very genetic

predisposition

> it can be an upward struggle.

> >

> > I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol

levels

> don't tell the whole story. Their are different molecular

> structures of both LDL and HDL. So someone could have elevated

LDL

> or low HDL but if they have one of the more " healthy " ones then

the

> risk is much reduced.

> >

> > I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I

> realize these matters are a personal choice and not always easy

to

> come by.

> >

> > http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?

<http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?>

> nl=1

> >

> > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-

<http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and->

> diseases/Can-Diseases-Cause-High-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1

> >

> > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-

<http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and->

> diseases/Clone-of-Recurrent-Stress-and-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1

> >

> > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-

<http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and->

> diseases/C-Reactive-Protein-A-Cardiovascular-Risk-Factor-.htm

> >

> >

> > Richard

> >

> > Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.

> >

> > ---Pema

> Chödrön

> >

> >

> >

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Can you tell me what each one is for?  Genevive

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Vanessa Denham <vanessa wrote:

Vanessa Denham <vanessa

Re: Re:Cautions about statin drugs

 

Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 9:59 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Genevive:

 

 

 

Omega 3-6-9 refers to a combination of Omega 3, Omega 6, and Omega 9 oil

 

in a single supplement. Most people get much more Omega 6 than they

 

actually need and for anyone who uses Olive oil on a regular basis Omega

 

9 is probably not an issue. There are a couple of other sources of

 

Omega 9 as well. Omega 3 is the biggie that most people are severely

 

deficient in.

 

 

 

Live with passion and purpose,

 

 

 

Vanessa Denham

 

http://www.incontro l-consulting. com/HealingCruis e

 

 

 

Jenifer wrote:

 

>

 

> I've been wondering what is omega 3-6-9 is it different from omega 3?

 

> Thanks, Genevive

 

>

 

 

 

 

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