Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I saw a couple of posts regarding statin drugs and wanted to share the following information with you. This is to inform and not to scare anyone, but the information is important. & #65007; & #65007; & #65007; & #65007;Statin drugs such as Zoxor, Pravachol, Mevacor, and Crestor have the potential to cause muscle damage. They may also lead to a fatal muscle wasting disease called Rhabdomylosis. Rhabdomylosis can occur in patients with pre-exisitng conditions and the disease causes muscle cells to be destroyed then released into the bloodstream where it can then cause patients to suffer from kidney failure. & #65007; & #65007; & #65007; & #65007;High doses of statin drugs can result in muscle pain and tenderness. Moderate muscle aching can also occur from taking statin drugs. If anyone experiences this type of muscle pain, tenderness, moderate muscle aching they should contact their physician immediately and advise them that they will be stopping the drug. The muscle aches usually go away within a couple of weeks of stopping the statin drug. & #65007; & #65007; & #65007; & #65007;Natural alternatives to statin drugs are fermented forms of soy such as tempeh. Almonds, red yeast extract, and cinnamon are also very good natural alternatives to statin drugs. I hope this information was helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 chironurse, Thank you for that information. I go to the Primary Care Physcian next week. He had placed me on Lovistatin for High Cholesterol and since taking it I've made a major change to my diet. So I'm hoping that blood test come back with such a change that I'll be able to drop the meds. ~ Melani Holt ~ * Make the most of today because you're not promised tomorrow!* *Behind every great woman is herself!* *Do unto others as you would have them do unto you!* *Take care of your health with Massage, Exercise, Chiropractic and Traditional !* <>< <>< <>< ***When sending a group email I send it to myself and then BCC everyone to protect their privacy.*** : chironurse: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:19:01 +0000 Cautions about statin drugs I saw a couple of posts regarding statin drugs and wanted to share the following information with you. This is to inform and not to scare anyone, but the information is important. & #65007; & #65007; & #65007; & #65007;Statin drugs such as Zoxor, Pravachol, Mevacor, and Crestor have the potential to cause muscle damage. They may also lead to a fatal muscle wasting disease called Rhabdomylosis. Rhabdomylosis can occur in patients with pre-exisitng conditions and the disease causes muscle cells to be destroyed then released into the bloodstream where it can then cause patients to suffer from kidney failure. & #65007; & #65007; & #65007; & #65007;High doses of statin drugs can result in muscle pain and tenderness. Moderate muscle aching can also occur from taking statin drugs. If anyone experiences this type of muscle pain, tenderness, moderate muscle aching they should contact their physician immediately and advise them that they will be stopping the drug. The muscle aches usually go away within a couple of weeks of stopping the statin drug. & #65007; & #65007; & #65007; & #65007;Natural alternatives to statin drugs are fermented forms of soy such as tempeh. Almonds, red yeast extract, and cinnamon are also very good natural alternatives to statin drugs.I hope this information was helpful _______________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_1120\ 08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking to a physician whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than lower cholesterol, they also reduce inflammation which is a major causative factor in heart attack and disease even for those with good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to fight systemic inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or rheumatoid arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side effects. I take high dose time released Niacin to help raise my low HDL, another risk factor for heart disease. Unfortunately it also elevates glucose levels and mine have been elevated to the point of being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a risk factor. So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy to decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade offs with each decision. I have also tried all the other recommended ways to raise HDL but as it can have a very genetic predisposition it can be an upward struggle. I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol levels don't tell the whole story. Their are different molecular structures of both LDL and HDL. So someone could have elevated LDL or low HDL but if they have one of the more " healthy " ones then the risk is much reduced. I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I realize these matters are a personal choice and not always easy to come by. http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?nl=1 http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-diseases/Can-Dise\ ases-Cause-High-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1 http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-diseases/Clone-of\ -Recurrent-Stress-and-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1 http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-diseases/C-Reacti\ ve-Protein-A-Cardiovascular-Risk-Factor-.htm Richard Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth. ---Pema Chödrön Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 I have had Rhabdomylosis I caught it early and stoped statins and it went away. One thing it did do was cause me to ask questions. Here is one: If God made us why would He include a chemical unbalanced and able to kill us by clogging the arties. If it was evolution then why was this not selected out? That question led me to another which was. What does cholestoral do? Big Pharma says it clogs our arties causing blockages. Does it? Plaque in our arties is not made up of Cholestoral. Found out that Cholestoral actually is a carrier for things such as Co Q10 and fat soluble vitamins. Are those vitamins and Co Q10 bad then? Just some thoughts running through my head DP , Melani Holt <massages_by_melanie wrote: > > > chironurse, > > Thank you for that information. I go to the Primary Care Physcian next week. He had placed me on Lovistatin for High Cholesterol and since taking it I've made a major change to my diet. So I'm hoping that blood test come back with such a change that I'll be able to drop the meds. > > ~ Melani Holt ~ > > * Make the most of today because you're not promised tomorrow!* > *Behind every great woman is herself!* > *Do unto others as you would have them do unto you!* > *Take care of your health with Massage, Exercise, Chiropractic and Traditional !* > <>< <>< <>< > ***When sending a group email I send it to myself and then BCC everyone to protect their privacy.*** > > : chironurse: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:19:01 +0000 Cautions about statin drugs > > > > I saw a couple of posts regarding statin drugs and wanted to share the following information with you. This is to inform and not to scare anyone, but the information is important. & #65007; & #65007; & #65007; & #65007;Statin drugs such as Zoxor, Pravachol, Mevacor, and Crestor have the potential to cause muscle damage. They may also lead to a fatal muscle wasting disease called Rhabdomylosis. Rhabdomylosis can occur in patients with pre-exisitng conditions and the disease causes muscle cells to be destroyed then released into the bloodstream where it can then cause patients to suffer from kidney failure. & #65007; & #65007; & #65007; & #65007;High doses of statin drugs can result in muscle pain and tenderness. Moderate muscle aching can also occur from taking statin drugs. If anyone experiences this type of muscle pain, tenderness, moderate muscle aching they should contact their physician immediately and advise them that they will be stopping the drug. The muscle aches usually go away within a couple of weeks of stopping the statin drug. & #65007; & #65007; & #65007; & #65007;Natural alternatives to statin drugs are fermented forms of soy such as tempeh. Almonds, red yeast extract, and cinnamon are also very good natural alternatives to statin drugs.I hope this information was helpful > > > > > > _______________ > Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail? ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Statins are toxic drugs and should not even be considered as a way of lowering cholesterol. There are many ways to raise HDL such as omega 3 fish oil or flax oil. Cholesterol has gotten a bad rap, and is not nearly as bad as Dr.s are telling people. You need both types of cholesterol to survive, and if you eat a balanced diet of healthy food, cholesterol will not be a problem. The Pharmaceutical industry has brain washed and wrongly trained most Dr's into their way of thinking in order to sell more of their toxic poisons. Always go with a natural remedy instead of taking toxic drugs. Statins are some of the worst drugs out there and have harmed way more people than they have helped.....by far!!! People need to be more pro-active in their own health care and quit relying on brain washed Dr's that are merely pill pushers for Big Pharma. Over 100,000 people died last year from taking Phamacutical drugs prescribed by their Dr's. The Dr's are trained by the drug reps that work for the drug makers. It's more about the profits of B.P. than it is about your health. There are natural alternatives to all drugs if you look. They are cheaper and better for you too. , " RNR " <rnr4biz wrote: > > I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking to a physician whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than lower cholesterol, they also reduce inflammation which is a major causative factor in heart attack and disease even for those with good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to fight systemic inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or rheumatoid arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side effects. I take high dose time released Niacin to help raise my low HDL, another risk factor for heart disease. Unfortunately it also elevates glucose levels and mine have been elevated to the point of being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a risk factor. So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy to decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade offs with each decision. I have also tried all the other recommended ways to raise HDL but as it can have a very genetic predisposition it can be an upward struggle. > > I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol levels don't tell the whole story. Their are different molecular structures of both LDL and HDL. So someone could have elevated LDL or low HDL but if they have one of the more " healthy " ones then the risk is much reduced. > > I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I realize these matters are a personal choice and not always easy to come by. > > http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm? nl=1 > > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and- diseases/Can-Diseases-Cause-High-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1 > > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and- diseases/Clone-of-Recurrent-Stress-and-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1 > > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and- diseases/C-Reactive-Protein-A-Cardiovascular-Risk-Factor-.htm > > > Richard > > Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth. > > ---Pema Chödrön > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 This is just a personal experience to relate and I am not suggesting anyone should stop statins without a professional's help...but... My mother , in her mid to late 80's was put on a statin for high cholesterol or so her doctor said. She ate well. Her weight was good and general health very good. Her diet consisted of mainly fruit and veggies and a little chicken or fish that she steamed for herself. She walked as far as she could each day depending on the weather and her energy level. Her life without the statin had been full and very healthy. One day, after about 4 years on the drug, I had to take her to ER as her legs were weak and she could hardly walk at all or get up off her chair. It was a sudden and scary experience for her. The doctor at ER said it was old age and at 91 she should expect such things. Her personal doctor said about the same. I went home and read about statins and confirmed my fears. I went to the local pharmacist and told him what was happening. He said, no, not your mother.... not old age... I see her walking all the time. It very well could be the drug. He said she could come off it without harm and to check with her doctor. She told her doctor she was going off it and in two weeks she was back to normal walking as she did.... briskly and having back the enjoyment of what she liked to do and what kept her general health going. She had to start using a cane after that, but that was safer considering her walks. Since then I have talked to many people who had muscle weakness with statins. They were scared into taking it as was my mother. - Gary<thebigyeast To: < > Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:09 PM Re:Cautions about statin drugs Statins are toxic drugs and should not even be considered as a way of lowering cholesterol. There are many ways to raise HDL such as omega 3 fish oil or flax oil. Cholesterol has gotten a bad rap, and is not nearly as bad as Dr.s are telling people. You need both types of cholesterol to survive, and if you eat a balanced diet of healthy food, cholesterol will not be a problem. The Pharmaceutical industry has brain washed and wrongly trained most Dr's into their way of thinking in order to sell more of their toxic poisons. Always go with a natural remedy instead of taking toxic drugs. Statins are some of the worst drugs out there and have harmed way more people than they have helped.....by far!!! People need to be more pro-active in their own health care and quit relying on brain washed Dr's that are merely pill pushers for Big Pharma. Over 100,000 people died last year from taking Phamacutical drugs prescribed by their Dr's. The Dr's are trained by the drug reps that work for the drug makers. It's more about the profits of B.P. than it is about your health. There are natural alternatives to all drugs if you look. They are cheaper and better for you too. --- In <%40>, " RNR " <rnr4biz wrote: > > I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking to a physician whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than lower cholesterol, they also reduce inflammation which is a major causative factor in heart attack and disease even for those with good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to fight systemic inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or rheumatoid arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side effects. I take high dose time released Niacin to help raise my low HDL, another risk factor for heart disease. Unfortunately it also elevates glucose levels and mine have been elevated to the point of being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a risk factor. So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy to decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade offs with each decision. I have also tried all the other recommended ways to raise HDL but as it can have a very genetic predisposition it can be an upward struggle. > > I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol levels don't tell the whole story. Their are different molecular structures of both LDL and HDL. So someone could have elevated LDL or low HDL but if they have one of the more " healthy " ones then the risk is much reduced. > > I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I realize these matters are a personal choice and not always easy to come by. > > http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?<http://choleste\ rol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?> nl=1 > > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-<http://cholester\ ol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-> diseases/Can-Diseases-Cause-High-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1 > > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-<http://cholester\ ol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-> diseases/Clone-of-Recurrent-Stress-and-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1 > > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-<http://cholester\ ol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-> diseases/C-Reactive-Protein-A-Cardiovascular-Risk-Factor-.htm > > > Richard > > Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth. > > ---Pema Chödrön > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Gary, You are entitled to your opinion on statin drugs but please do it separately from my post. There is a wide body of research out there and as I've said before people tend to choose the studies that support their own opinions. I would never tell anyone at risk of heart disease or who had heart disease to stop statin drugs. I would never put myself in a position that might influence someone's health without the ultimate outcome being known. Health is very individual. How would you know if someone's LDL or HDL was genetic or due to lifestyle or a combination of both? How would you know which molecular type of LDL or HDL someone had that would be more definitive as to what those levels meant. You wouldn't. I have met Marathon runners who have a healthy diet but still had heart attacks. As a jogging vegetarian who developed heart disease I refuse to let someone make me feel guilty that I didn't do the best for my health. I was the one biking 30 miles while my sedentary over weight friends sat and watched TV. Of course diet and exercise affect overall health including risk for heart disease but not all living things are born equally genetically. It was due to my overall health that I was able to walk four miles two weeks after a heart attack and then walk two miles less than two weeks after heart surgery. Don't ever imply to a group of women with breast cancer that if only they had taken better care of themselves they wouldn't have developed breast cancer even with a genetic predisposition in their families. We can't blame everything on genetics but likewise we can't blame everything on lifestyle. Reality is when it happens to you. Richard Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth. ---Pema Chödrön Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Also people should check more into Ayurvedic natural herbal medications, people get good results for cholesterol with Suddha Gugglu, and High blood pressurre Mukta Vati, etc. I heard Lipitor can cause muscle problems too and effects walking. Serap **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=h\ ttp://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Cholestrol is not just for clogging arteries. It also builds every cell in the body as well as being the base componant for every hormone in the body. It is only a marker not the cause of the heart problems. The cause is more life style and choices of an indiviual. , " Donna Misseres " <sagemeadow wrote: > > This is just a personal experience to relate and I am not suggesting anyone should stop statins without a professional's help...but... My mother , in her mid to late 80's was put on a statin for high cholesterol or so her doctor said. She ate well. Her weight was good and general health very good. Her diet consisted of mainly fruit and veggies and a little chicken or fish that she steamed for herself. She walked as far as she could each day depending on the weather and her energy level. Her life without the statin had been full and very healthy. One day, after about 4 years on the drug, I had to take her to ER as her legs were weak and she could hardly walk at all or get up off her chair. It was a sudden and scary experience for her. The doctor at ER said it was old age and at 91 she should expect such things. Her personal doctor said about the same. I went home and read about statins and confirmed my fears. I went to the local pharmacist and told him what was happening. > He said, no, not your mother.... not old age... I see her walking all the time. It very well could be the drug. He said she could come off it without harm and to check with her doctor. She told her doctor she was going off it and in two weeks she was back to normal walking as she did.... briskly and having back the enjoyment of what she liked to do and what kept her general health going. She had to start using a cane after that, but that was safer considering her walks. > Since then I have talked to many people who had muscle weakness with statins. They were scared into taking it as was my mother. > > > - > Gary<thebigyeast > To: <@grou ps.com> > Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:09 PM > Re:Cautions about statin drugs > > > Statins are toxic drugs and should not even be considered as a way > of lowering cholesterol. There are many ways to raise HDL such as > omega 3 fish oil or flax oil. Cholesterol has gotten a bad rap, and > is not nearly as bad as Dr.s are telling people. You need both types > of cholesterol to survive, and if you eat a balanced diet of healthy > food, cholesterol will not be a problem. The Pharmaceutical industry > has brain washed and wrongly trained most Dr's into their way of > thinking in order to sell more of their toxic poisons. Always go > with a natural remedy instead of taking toxic drugs. Statins are > some of the worst drugs out there and have harmed way more people > than they have helped.....by far!!! > > People need to be more pro-active in their own health care and quit > relying on brain washed Dr's that are merely pill pushers for Big > Pharma. Over 100,000 people died last year from taking Phamacutical > drugs prescribed by their Dr's. The Dr's are trained by the drug > reps that work for the drug makers. It's more about the profits of > B.P. than it is about your health. There are natural alternatives to > all drugs if you look. They are cheaper and better for you too. > > --- In <% 40>, " RNR " <rnr4biz@> wrote: > > > > I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking to > a physician whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than > lower cholesterol, they also reduce inflammation which is a major > causative factor in heart attack and disease even for those with > good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to fight systemic > inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be > many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or > rheumatoid arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side > effects. I take high dose time released Niacin to help raise my low > HDL, another risk factor for heart disease. Unfortunately it also > elevates glucose levels and mine have been elevated to the point of > being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a risk factor. > So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy to > decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade offs > with each decision. I have also tried all the other recommended > ways to raise HDL but as it can have a very genetic predisposition > it can be an upward struggle. > > > > I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol levels > don't tell the whole story. Their are different molecular > structures of both LDL and HDL. So someone could have elevated LDL > or low HDL but if they have one of the more " healthy " ones then the > risk is much reduced. > > > > I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I > realize these matters are a personal choice and not always easy to > come by. > > > > http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm? <http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?> > nl=1 > > > > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and- <http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-> > diseases/Can-Diseases-Cause-High-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1 > > > > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and- <http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-> > diseases/Clone-of-Recurrent-Stress-and-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1 > > > > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and- <http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-> > diseases/C-Reactive-Protein-A-Cardiovascular-Risk-Factor-.htm > > > > > > Richard > > > > Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth. > > > > ---Pema > Chödrön > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Hi Donna, I also have gone through the same issues while on statin drugs. The problem is that you tell your doctor about the problems in your legs and muscles and they seem to not care. My lupus doctor suggested I gradually go off the statins and move over to Omega 3-6-9- which is what I did. It was rather expensive to continue to buy these from the health food store. My doctor gave me a prescription for Lovaza- which contain Omaga 3-6-9 but can be giving in a prescription form and there fore I receive it free from the insurance companies. Has any one else taken this drug? Hope this helps all. Izabel --- On Wed, 11/19/08, Donna Misseres <sagemeadow wrote: Donna Misseres <sagemeadow Re: Re:Cautions about statin drugs Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 11:40 AM This is just a personal experience to relate and I am not suggesting anyone should stop statins without a professional' s help...but.. . My mother , in her mid to late 80's was put on a statin for high cholesterol or so her doctor said. She ate well. Her weight was good and general health very good. Her diet consisted of mainly fruit and veggies and a little chicken or fish that she steamed for herself. She walked as far as she could each day depending on the weather and her energy level. Her life without the statin had been full and very healthy. One day, after about 4 years on the drug, I had to take her to ER as her legs were weak and she could hardly walk at all or get up off her chair. It was a sudden and scary experience for her. The doctor at ER said it was old age and at 91 she should expect such things. Her personal doctor said about the same. I went home and read about statins and confirmed my fears. I went to the local pharmacist and told him what was happening. He said, no, not your mother.... not old age... I see her walking all the time. It very well could be the drug. He said she could come off it without harm and to check with her doctor. She told her doctor she was going off it and in two weeks she was back to normal walking as she did.... briskly and having back the enjoyment of what she liked to do and what kept her general health going. She had to start using a cane after that, but that was safer considering her walks. Since then I have talked to many people who had muscle weakness with statins. They were scared into taking it as was my mother. - Gary<thebigyeast@ > <@ . com> Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:09 PM Re:Cautions about statin drugs Statins are toxic drugs and should not even be considered as a way of lowering cholesterol. There are many ways to raise HDL such as omega 3 fish oil or flax oil. Cholesterol has gotten a bad rap, and is not nearly as bad as Dr.s are telling people. You need both types of cholesterol to survive, and if you eat a balanced diet of healthy food, cholesterol will not be a problem. The Pharmaceutical industry has brain washed and wrongly trained most Dr's into their way of thinking in order to sell more of their toxic poisons. Always go with a natural remedy instead of taking toxic drugs. Statins are some of the worst drugs out there and have harmed way more people than they have helped.....by far!!! People need to be more pro-active in their own health care and quit relying on brain washed Dr's that are merely pill pushers for Big Pharma. Over 100,000 people died last year from taking Phamacutical drugs prescribed by their Dr's. The Dr's are trained by the drug reps that work for the drug makers. It's more about the profits of B.P. than it is about your health. There are natural alternatives to all drugs if you look. They are cheaper and better for you too. <Alternative Answers%40g roups.com> , " RNR " <rnr4biz > wrote: > > I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking to a physician whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than lower cholesterol, they also reduce inflammation which is a major causative factor in heart attack and disease even for those with good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to fight systemic inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or rheumatoid arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side effects. I take high dose time released Niacin to help raise my low HDL, another risk factor for heart disease. Unfortunately it also elevates glucose levels and mine have been elevated to the point of being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a risk factor. So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy to decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade offs with each decision. I have also tried all the other recommended ways to raise HDL but as it can have a very genetic predisposition it can be an upward struggle. > > I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol levels don't tell the whole story. Their are different molecular structures of both LDL and HDL. So someone could have elevated LDL or low HDL but if they have one of the more " healthy " ones then the risk is much reduced. > > I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I realize these matters are a personal choice and not always easy to come by. > > http://cholesterol. about.com/ od/aboutcholeste rol/f/hccauses. htm?<http://cholesterol. about.com/ od/aboutcholeste rol/f/hccauses. htm?> nl=1 > > http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and-<http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and-> diseases/Can- Diseases- Cause-High- Cholesterol. htm?nl=1 > > http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and-<http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and-> diseases/Clone- of-Recurrent- Stress-and- Cholesterol. htm?nl=1 > > http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and-<http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and-> diseases/C-Reactive -Protein- A-Cardiovascular -Risk-Factor- .htm > > > Richard > > Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth. > > ---Pema Chödrön > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Very well said, Richard. Michelle Don't ever imply to a group of women with breast cancer that if only they had taken better care of themselves they wouldn't have developed breast cancer even with a genetic predisposition in their families. We can't blame everything on genetics but likewise we can't blame everything on lifestyle. Reality is when it happens to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I've been wondering what is omega 3-6-9 is it different from omega 3? Thanks, Genevive --- On Fri, 11/21/08, izabel5740 <izabel5740 wrote: izabel5740 <izabel5740 Re: Re:Cautions about statin drugs Friday, November 21, 2008, 3:15 PM Hi Donna, I also have gone through the same issues while on statin drugs. The problem is that you tell your doctor about the problems in your legs and muscles and they seem to not care. My lupus doctor suggested I gradually go off the statins and move over to Omega 3-6-9- which is what I did. It was rather expensive to continue to buy these from the health food store. My doctor gave me a prescription for Lovaza- which contain Omaga 3-6-9 but can be giving in a prescription form and there fore I receive it free from the insurance companies. Has any one else taken this drug? Hope this helps all. Izabel --- On Wed, 11/19/08, Donna Misseres <sagemeadow (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote: Donna Misseres <sagemeadow (AT) msn (DOT) com> Re: Re:Cautions about statin drugs Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 11:40 AM This is just a personal experience to relate and I am not suggesting anyone should stop statins without a professional' s help...but.. . My mother , in her mid to late 80's was put on a statin for high cholesterol or so her doctor said. She ate well. Her weight was good and general health very good. Her diet consisted of mainly fruit and veggies and a little chicken or fish that she steamed for herself. She walked as far as she could each day depending on the weather and her energy level. Her life without the statin had been full and very healthy. One day, after about 4 years on the drug, I had to take her to ER as her legs were weak and she could hardly walk at all or get up off her chair. It was a sudden and scary experience for her. The doctor at ER said it was old age and at 91 she should expect such things. Her personal doctor said about the same. I went home and read about statins and confirmed my fears. I went to the local pharmacist and told him what was happening. He said, no, not your mother.... not old age... I see her walking all the time. It very well could be the drug. He said she could come off it without harm and to check with her doctor. She told her doctor she was going off it and in two weeks she was back to normal walking as she did.... briskly and having back the enjoyment of what she liked to do and what kept her general health going. She had to start using a cane after that, but that was safer considering her walks. Since then I have talked to many people who had muscle weakness with statins. They were scared into taking it as was my mother. - Gary< thebigyeast@ > <Alternat iveAnswers@ . com> Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:09 PM Re:Cautions about statin drugs Statins are toxic drugs and should not even be considered as a way of lowering cholesterol. There are many ways to raise HDL such as omega 3 fish oil or flax oil. Cholesterol has gotten a bad rap, and is not nearly as bad as Dr.s are telling people. You need both types of cholesterol to survive, and if you eat a balanced diet of healthy food, cholesterol will not be a problem. The Pharmaceutical industry has brain washed and wrongly trained most Dr's into their way of thinking in order to sell more of their toxic poisons. Always go with a natural remedy instead of taking toxic drugs. Statins are some of the worst drugs out there and have harmed way more people than they have helped.....by far!!! People need to be more pro-active in their own health care and quit relying on brain washed Dr's that are merely pill pushers for Big Pharma. Over 100,000 people died last year from taking Phamacutical drugs prescribed by their Dr's. The Dr's are trained by the drug reps that work for the drug makers. It's more about the profits of B.P. than it is about your health. There are natural alternatives to all drugs if you look. They are cheaper and better for you too. <Alternat ive Answers%40g roups.com> , " RNR " <rnr4biz > wrote: > > I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking to a physician whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than lower cholesterol, they also reduce inflammation which is a major causative factor in heart attack and disease even for those with good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to fight systemic inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or rheumatoid arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side effects. I take high dose time released Niacin to help raise my low HDL, another risk factor for heart disease. Unfortunately it also elevates glucose levels and mine have been elevated to the point of being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a risk factor. So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy to decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade offs with each decision. I have also tried all the other recommended ways to raise HDL but as it can have a very genetic predisposition it can be an upward struggle. > > I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol levels don't tell the whole story. Their are different molecular structures of both LDL and HDL. So someone could have elevated LDL or low HDL but if they have one of the more " healthy " ones then the risk is much reduced. > > I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I realize these matters are a personal choice and not always easy to come by. > > http://cholesterol. about.com/ od/aboutcholeste rol/f/hccauses. htm?<http://cholesterol. about.com/ od/aboutcholeste rol/f/hccauses. htm?> nl=1 > > http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and-<http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and-> diseases/Can- Diseases- Cause-High- Cholesterol. htm?nl=1 > > http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and-<http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and-> diseases/Clone- of-Recurrent- Stress-and- Cholesterol. htm?nl=1 > > http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and-<http://cholesterol. about.com/ lw/Health- Medicine/ Conditions- and-> diseases/C-Reactive -Protein- A-Cardiovascular -Risk-Factor- .htm > > > Richard > > Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth. > > ---Pema Chödrön > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Genevive: Omega 3-6-9 refers to a combination of Omega 3, Omega 6, and Omega 9 oil in a single supplement. Most people get much more Omega 6 than they actually need and for anyone who uses Olive oil on a regular basis Omega 9 is probably not an issue. There are a couple of other sources of Omega 9 as well. Omega 3 is the biggie that most people are severely deficient in. Live with passion and purpose, Vanessa Denham http://www.incontrol-consulting.com/HealingCruise Jenifer wrote: > > I've been wondering what is omega 3-6-9 is it different from omega 3? > Thanks, Genevive > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Hi a great testimony; my name is Anna; this is what I heard by a Dr. The reason Statin drugs cause weakness is; Statin drugs deplete Co Enzyme A Co Enzyme A is what turns into Co Enzyme Q10 but here is the whole key Pantothenic Acid Vitamin B5 creates Co Enzyme A This is found in ordinary Bee Pollen; vitmamin B5 Pantthentic Acid long story short Oridanry Bee Pollen can help prevent weakness due to Statin drugs; A.- -- In , " Donna Misseres " <sagemeadow wrote: > > This is just a personal experience to relate and I am not suggesting anyone should stop statins without a professional's help...but... My mother , in her mid to late 80's was put on a statin for high cholesterol or so her doctor said. She ate well. Her weight was good and general health very good. Her diet consisted of mainly fruit and veggies and a little chicken or fish that she steamed for herself. She walked as far as she could each day depending on the weather and her energy level. Her life without the statin had been full and very healthy. One day, after about 4 years on the drug, I had to take her to ER as her legs were weak and she could hardly walk at all or get up off her chair. It was a sudden and scary experience for her. The doctor at ER said it was old age and at 91 she should expect such things. Her personal doctor said about the same. I went home and read about statins and confirmed my fears. I went to the local pharmacist and told him what was happening. > He said, no, not your mother.... not old age... I see her walking all the time. It very well could be the drug. He said she could come off it without harm and to check with her doctor. She told her doctor she was going off it and in two weeks she was back to normal walking as she did.... briskly and having back the enjoyment of what she liked to do and what kept her general health going. She had to start using a cane after that, but that was safer considering her walks. > Since then I have talked to many people who had muscle weakness with statins. They were scared into taking it as was my mother. > > > - > Gary<thebigyeast > To: <@grou ps.com> > Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:09 PM > Re:Cautions about statin drugs > > > Statins are toxic drugs and should not even be considered as a way > of lowering cholesterol. There are many ways to raise HDL such as > omega 3 fish oil or flax oil. Cholesterol has gotten a bad rap, and > is not nearly as bad as Dr.s are telling people. You need both types > of cholesterol to survive, and if you eat a balanced diet of healthy > food, cholesterol will not be a problem. The Pharmaceutical industry > has brain washed and wrongly trained most Dr's into their way of > thinking in order to sell more of their toxic poisons. Always go > with a natural remedy instead of taking toxic drugs. Statins are > some of the worst drugs out there and have harmed way more people > than they have helped.....by far!!! > > People need to be more pro-active in their own health care and quit > relying on brain washed Dr's that are merely pill pushers for Big > Pharma. Over 100,000 people died last year from taking Phamacutical > drugs prescribed by their Dr's. The Dr's are trained by the drug > reps that work for the drug makers. It's more about the profits of > B.P. than it is about your health. There are natural alternatives to > all drugs if you look. They are cheaper and better for you too. > > --- In <% 40>, " RNR " <rnr4biz@> wrote: > > > > I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking to > a physician whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than > lower cholesterol, they also reduce inflammation which is a major > causative factor in heart attack and disease even for those with > good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to fight systemic > inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be > many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or > rheumatoid arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side > effects. I take high dose time released Niacin to help raise my low > HDL, another risk factor for heart disease. Unfortunately it also > elevates glucose levels and mine have been elevated to the point of > being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a risk factor. > So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy to > decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade offs > with each decision. I have also tried all the other recommended > ways to raise HDL but as it can have a very genetic predisposition > it can be an upward struggle. > > > > I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol levels > don't tell the whole story. Their are different molecular > structures of both LDL and HDL. So someone could have elevated LDL > or low HDL but if they have one of the more " healthy " ones then the > risk is much reduced. > > > > I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I > realize these matters are a personal choice and not always easy to > come by. > > > > http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm? <http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?> > nl=1 > > > > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and- <http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-> > diseases/Can-Diseases-Cause-High-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1 > > > > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and- <http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-> > diseases/Clone-of-Recurrent-Stress-and-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1 > > > > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and- <http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-> > diseases/C-Reactive-Protein-A-Cardiovascular-Risk-Factor-.htm > > > > > > Richard > > > > Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth. > > > > ---Pema > Chödrön > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Hi a great testimony; my name is Anna; this is what I heard by a Dr. The reason Statin drugs cause weakness is; Statin drugs deplete Co Enzyme A Co Enzyme A is what turns into Co Enzyme Q10 but here is the whole key Pantothenic Acid Vitamin B5 creates Co Enzyme A This is found in ordinary Bee Pollen; vitmamin B5 Pantthentic Acid long story short Oridanry Bee Pollen can help prevent weakness due to Statin drugs; A.- -- In , " Donna Misseres " <sagemeadow wrote: > > This is just a personal experience to relate and I am not suggesting anyone should stop statins without a professional's help...but... My mother , in her mid to late 80's was put on a statin for high cholesterol or so her doctor said. She ate well. Her weight was good and general health very good. Her diet consisted of mainly fruit and veggies and a little chicken or fish that she steamed for herself. She walked as far as she could each day depending on the weather and her energy level. Her life without the statin had been full and very healthy. One day, after about 4 years on the drug, I had to take her to ER as her legs were weak and she could hardly walk at all or get up off her chair. It was a sudden and scary experience for her. The doctor at ER said it was old age and at 91 she should expect such things. Her personal doctor said about the same. I went home and read about statins and confirmed my fears. I went to the local pharmacist and told him what was happening. > He said, no, not your mother.... not old age... I see her walking all the time. It very well could be the drug. He said she could come off it without harm and to check with her doctor. She told her doctor she was going off it and in two weeks she was back to normal walking as she did.... briskly and having back the enjoyment of what she liked to do and what kept her general health going. She had to start using a cane after that, but that was safer considering her walks. > Since then I have talked to many people who had muscle weakness with statins. They were scared into taking it as was my mother. > > > - > Gary<thebigyeast > To: <@grou ps.com> > Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:09 PM > Re:Cautions about statin drugs > > > Statins are toxic drugs and should not even be considered as a way > of lowering cholesterol. There are many ways to raise HDL such as > omega 3 fish oil or flax oil. Cholesterol has gotten a bad rap, and > is not nearly as bad as Dr.s are telling people. You need both types > of cholesterol to survive, and if you eat a balanced diet of healthy > food, cholesterol will not be a problem. The Pharmaceutical industry > has brain washed and wrongly trained most Dr's into their way of > thinking in order to sell more of their toxic poisons. Always go > with a natural remedy instead of taking toxic drugs. Statins are > some of the worst drugs out there and have harmed way more people > than they have helped.....by far!!! > > People need to be more pro-active in their own health care and quit > relying on brain washed Dr's that are merely pill pushers for Big > Pharma. Over 100,000 people died last year from taking Phamacutical > drugs prescribed by their Dr's. The Dr's are trained by the drug > reps that work for the drug makers. It's more about the profits of > B.P. than it is about your health. There are natural alternatives to > all drugs if you look. They are cheaper and better for you too. > > --- In <% 40>, " RNR " <rnr4biz@> wrote: > > > > I would caution anyone about going off statins without talking to > a physician whether holistic or otherwise. Statins do more than > lower cholesterol, they also reduce inflammation which is a major > causative factor in heart attack and disease even for those with > good cholesterol levels. There are other ways to fight systemic > inflammation including changing one's diet but its causes can be > many from too much C-Reactive Protein in the blood, infection, or > rheumatoid arthritis. Even " natural " supplements can have side > effects. I take high dose time released Niacin to help raise my low > HDL, another risk factor for heart disease. Unfortunately it also > elevates glucose levels and mine have been elevated to the point of > being considered pre diabetes which in itself can be a risk factor. > So the pros and cons, trade offs, etc. don't always make it easy to > decide on what to do especially when there are negative trade offs > with each decision. I have also tried all the other recommended > ways to raise HDL but as it can have a very genetic predisposition > it can be an upward struggle. > > > > I think everyone should also be cognizant that cholesterol levels > don't tell the whole story. Their are different molecular > structures of both LDL and HDL. So someone could have elevated LDL > or low HDL but if they have one of the more " healthy " ones then the > risk is much reduced. > > > > I have included some links on cholesterol below. As always, I > realize these matters are a personal choice and not always easy to > come by. > > > > http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm? <http://cholesterol.about.com/od/aboutcholesterol/f/hccauses.htm?> > nl=1 > > > > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and- <http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-> > diseases/Can-Diseases-Cause-High-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1 > > > > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and- <http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-> > diseases/Clone-of-Recurrent-Stress-and-Cholesterol.htm?nl=1 > > > > http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and- <http://cholesterol.about.com/lw/Health-Medicine/Conditions-and-> > diseases/C-Reactive-Protein-A-Cardiovascular-Risk-Factor-.htm > > > > > > Richard > > > > Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth. > > > > ---Pema > Chödrön > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Can you tell me what each one is for? Genevive --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Vanessa Denham <vanessa wrote: Vanessa Denham <vanessa Re: Re:Cautions about statin drugs Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 9:59 PM Genevive: Omega 3-6-9 refers to a combination of Omega 3, Omega 6, and Omega 9 oil in a single supplement. Most people get much more Omega 6 than they actually need and for anyone who uses Olive oil on a regular basis Omega 9 is probably not an issue. There are a couple of other sources of Omega 9 as well. Omega 3 is the biggie that most people are severely deficient in. Live with passion and purpose, Vanessa Denham http://www.incontro l-consulting. com/HealingCruis e Jenifer wrote: > > I've been wondering what is omega 3-6-9 is it different from omega 3? > Thanks, Genevive > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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