Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Hi, How about reversing the hypothyroidism altogether and needing no medication? It's possible! I did it, a friend of mine at work did it, another gal on this list (Sylvia) did it, and your better half can do it also! LOL! Request Doc's free tape, listen to it, and do the Total Body Cleanse. It worked for us! Best, Kelli orphan1948 [orphan1948] Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:18 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - ThyroidHave a question all;The better half was diagnosed with hypothyroidism a few years ago and has been on Synthroid since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 - I'd like to know also, for the same reason -- Janelle -- orphan1948 <orphan1948 wrote: > Have a question all; > > The better half was diagnosed with hypothyroidism a > few years ago > and has been on Synthroid since. I have read that > it can be kept at > bay without synthroid using Norwegian Sea Kelp and > or virgin coconut > oil. The current dosage taking is 100mcg. Does > anyone know if this > is true and if so how much or in what ammounts and > or are there > herbal remedies that can also keep it in check? > Anyone who has > tried or knows about this I would appreciate any > info you can share > on list or privately. Thank you in advance for your > help with this > monor delema, I appreciate it! > > Best R's > > O > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT! What Kelli said is correct. I was on Synthroid for over 3 years and rather than my health improving, it continued to fail! The longer on the Synthroid the more things continued to fail and then i had to increase my doseage after a year because i was still tired/gaining/losing hair, dry skin ETC!!!!!!!! I did the TB/Master cleanse in January and quit my Synthroid COLD Turkey, and feel better now than i did prior to my Hypo-thyroid diagnosis (i just had blood work done 2 weeks ago and my thryorid levels are fine) Also i have finally lost some weight and skin and hair look fantastic. Request the tape today and start reading about the cleanse also the dwindling spiral of health article. Physicians are NOT going to tell you that this can be done (it's not in their best interest to help you, because then you wont need them) my new DO was shocked that i told him i quit my Sythroid; i laughed at him and said " how can I argue about feeling great, my lab results and the fact that my over- all-health was failing when i was on the meds compared to now?? " He did not have anything to say and just smiled! You and hubby are about to wake up, i assure you, not to mention if you BOTH stick to this, enjoy a better quality of life. Hope i dont sound like a fanatic, but when you go from horrible to WOW, it's really hard not to be excited and want others to feel the same. Sylvia herbal remedies , " Kelli Bever " <kelli@c...> wrote: > Hi, How about reversing the hypothyroidism altogether and needing no medication? It's possible! I did it, a friend of mine at work did it, another gal on this list (Sylvia) did it, and your better half can do it also! LOL! Request Doc's free tape, listen to it, and do the Total Body Cleanse. It worked for us! > > Best, > Kelli > > > orphan1948 [orphan1948] > Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:18 PM > herbal remedies > Herbal Remedies - Thyroid > > > Have a question all; > > The better half was diagnosed with hypothyroidism a few years ago > and has been on Synthroid since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 I have just recently learned about herbal remedies etc. It bothers me because one.. I have grown up in the " conventional " doctors actually very few people grow up with holistic doctors.. I think mostly because insurance doesn't cover them Second I am so scared of ganing the weight back that I have fought for 6 years to take off now because of my thyroid and fear of getting a goider or getting those icky depression feelings back again.. Anyway the herbal stuff is all new to me (I am talking within 4 months new) I do not trust all conventional doctors, But as far as my thyroid, before I knew what was wrong..I got all the hypothyroid symtoms to extreme. I went from a size 6 to a size 12 in a matter of a year and half. The other doctors kept telling me I was having depression issues.. it wasn't till someone told me to get my thyroid checked that I finally asked them to check into it and that that is what was actually wrong, Not depression. I can't go so a holistic doctor because our insurance doesn't cover it and my husband refuses to pay for that " spiritual " crap as he considers it unfortunately. so maybe after I understand herbals on a much longer and deeper level I will be able to take that step. thx for your understanding Deana Mark Cole wrote: > Deana, that is your a choice for you to make..does that mean you will > follow the doctor's advice with no second opinion? It sounds like your > fear of following your conventional doctor is less than your fear of > talking with someone you don't know. I would rather call Doc for > counsel than take a conventional doctors advice without counsel. But, > alas we are all free to make our own decisions, hopefully making > ourselves fully informed using wisdom. So be it. I hope for the best > for you. > > Sharon > > */Deana <squeekyme/* wrote: > > also no I haven't called Doc yet. I am really not comfortable > calling a > stranger even a doctor at that yet. Someday I might feel comfortable > but I am not going to get into tears trying to pick up a phone > when it > makes me really scared.. > > Thx > Deana > > > > He who dwells in teh shelter of the Most High will abide in the shadow > of the Allmighty. > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician > and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as > long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any > person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products > from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and > members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Deana, if you email Doc (the listowner here -- the information is on the web site and in the information you received when you joined the list) and receive his cassette tape and listen to it, you are entitled to one free telephone consultation with him. You just may get more out of that free tape and consultation than any " insurance-covered " doctor visit you'll ever make. Sharyn Deana [squeekyme] I can't go so a holistic doctor because our insurance doesn't cover it and my husband refuses to pay for that " spiritual " crap as he considers it unfortunately. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release 10/8/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 thank you maybe I can try it next week when I have money to buy Hugs Deana supervixen08 wrote: > > > Hiya Deana > > I have (had) hypo. HypOthyroid means it doesn't produce enough thyroid > hormone, and it needs iodine (in balance with other trace minerals) > for that. Kelp has that stuff in balance; that's why it works so well > for me. > > Hope that helps, > --Jen > > herbal remedies , Deana <squeekyme@c...> wrote: > > > > do you have HypOthyroid or HypERthyroid.. > > > > or is there a site that talks about treating the first.. mine is > > underactive not producing the correct amt of whatever it produces. > > > > thx > > Deana > > > > supervixen08 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The thyroid is responsible for QUITE a bit in the body, and it's > > > important that it is functioning properly. I take nothing BUT foods > > > and herbs for my thyroid. One herbal remedy that is particularly > > > beneficial specifically FOR the thyroid is kelp. I take it in capsule > > > form and it works great for me. There are also other forms in which to > > > take it. Kelp is wonderful because it provides a balanced ratio of > > > essential trace minerals that most Americans are often deficient in, > > > particularly iodine. Iodine is pretty much known as " the " thyroid > > > mineral. All I need is 1-2 capsules at breakfast every 1-3 days and > > > I'm a happy camper. Please consider something like this! > > > > > > Just my experience, > > > --Jen > > > > > > herbal remedies , Deana <squeekyme@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > If you read my email a little better I said that about the > thyroid not > > > > the bi-polar > > > > I have not ventured to the point of taking herbals for my > thyroid yet > > > > and I personal will not till I have adjusted my other situations > that > > > > you have read in other emails. > > > > > > > > Hope you understand my clarification now > > > > > > > > Thx > > > > Hugs > > > > Deana > > > > > > > > Shelby Blakely wrote: > > > > > > > > > Uh, I take it you have not called Doc? If you had you would not > > > say this > > > > > about bi-polar. Or really anything else. > > > > > -Shelby > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deana [squeekyme@c...] > > > > > Monday, October 11, 2004 4:21 PM > > > > > herbal remedies > > > > > Re: Herbal Remedies - bi-polar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would never try > > > > > taking an herbal forms for this partical disease. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > > > > > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > > > > > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > > > > > natural remedy. > > > > > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own > physician > > > > > and to > > > > > prescribe for your own health. > > > > > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post > here as > > > > > long as > > > > > they behave themselves. > > > > > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, > and any > > > > > person > > > > > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their > own risk. > > > > > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or > products > > > > > from list members, you are agreeing to > > > > > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List > Owner and > > > > > members free of any liability. > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Ian Shillington > > > > > Doctor of Naturopathy > > > > > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Since i'm on and posting at the moment, i will confirm what Jen said. I take Kelp every day. 2 Caps each morning. IN addition to supplements, a cleaner diet is the key to healing a sick thyroid and keep it healthy. I'm sure if you do a seach in the archives based on Thyroid you will find a lot of posts on the subject (lots from me and Kelli hehehe) The main thing is, be positive and know that there are lots of alternatives to Conventional medicine (i.e.: dont take pharmaceuticals!) Sylvia herbal remedies , Deana <squeekyme@c...> wrote: > > thank you maybe I can try it next week when I have money to buy > > Hugs > Deana > > supervixen08 wrote: > > > > > > > Hiya Deana > > > > I have (had) hypo. HypOthyroid means it doesn't produce enough thyroid > > hormone, and it needs iodine (in balance with other trace minerals) > > for that. Kelp has that stuff in balance; that's why it works so well > > for me. > > > > Hope that helps, > > --Jen > > > > herbal remedies , Deana <squeekyme@c...> wrote: > > > > > > do you have HypOthyroid or HypERthyroid.. > > > > > > or is there a site that talks about treating the first.. mine is > > > underactive not producing the correct amt of whatever it produces. > > > > > > thx > > > Deana > > > > > > supervixen08 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The thyroid is responsible for QUITE a bit in the body, and it's > > > > important that it is functioning properly. I take nothing BUT foods > > > > and herbs for my thyroid. One herbal remedy that is particularly > > > > beneficial specifically FOR the thyroid is kelp. I take it in capsule > > > > form and it works great for me. There are also other forms in which to > > > > take it. Kelp is wonderful because it provides a balanced ratio of > > > > essential trace minerals that most Americans are often deficient in, > > > > particularly iodine. Iodine is pretty much known as " the " thyroid > > > > mineral. All I need is 1-2 capsules at breakfast every 1-3 days and > > > > I'm a happy camper. Please consider something like this! > > > > > > > > Just my experience, > > > > --Jen > > > > > > > > herbal remedies , Deana <squeekyme@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If you read my email a little better I said that about the > > thyroid not > > > > > the bi-polar > > > > > I have not ventured to the point of taking herbals for my > > thyroid yet > > > > > and I personal will not till I have adjusted my other situations > > that > > > > > you have read in other emails. > > > > > > > > > > Hope you understand my clarification now > > > > > > > > > > Thx > > > > > Hugs > > > > > Deana > > > > > > > > > > Shelby Blakely wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Uh, I take it you have not called Doc? If you had you would not > > > > say this > > > > > > about bi-polar. Or really anything else. > > > > > > -Shelby > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deana [squeekyme@c...] > > > > > > Monday, October 11, 2004 4:21 PM > > > > > > herbal remedies > > > > > > Re: Herbal Remedies - bi-polar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would never try > > > > > > taking an herbal forms for this partical disease. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > > > > > > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > > > > > > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > > > > > > natural remedy. > > > > > > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own > > physician > > > > > > and to > > > > > > prescribe for your own health. > > > > > > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post > > here as > > > > > > long as > > > > > > they behave themselves. > > > > > > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, > > and any > > > > > > person > > > > > > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their > > own risk. > > > > > > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or > > products > > > > > > from list members, you are agreeing to > > > > > > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List > > Owner and > > > > > > members free of any liability. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Ian Shillington > > > > > > Doctor of Naturopathy > > > > > > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 I have a thyroid condition that I need to take synthroid every day or I am so tired. Is there a natural alternative and a way to heal my self from this condition so I can stop having to take medication for my body to work properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Armour Thyroid is a natural alternative. Linda dina davis <bethgalli2001 Monday, June 30, 2008 8:58:50 AM thyroid I have a thyroid condition that I need to take synthroid every day or I am so tired. Is there a natural alternative and a way to heal my self from this condition so I can stop having to take medication for my body to work properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 try standard process prolamene iodine. - " dina davis " <bethgalli2001 Monday, June 30, 2008 8:58 AM thyroid I have a thyroid condition that I need to take synthroid every day or I am so tired. Is there a natural alternative and a way to heal my self from this condition so I can stop having to take medication for my body to work properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Try Lugol's Solution. Anne dina davis <bethgalli2001 wrote: I have a thyroid condition that I need to take synthroid every day or I am so tired. Is there a natural alternative and a way to heal my self from this condition so I can stop having to take medication for my body to work properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Lygol's Solution is no longer available over the counter in the US. LS can be used to make methamphetamine so it's off the counter. You can still purchase it in Mexico and Canada. Please do in-depth research prior to the use of this product. Blessings, Cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 One of the main drawbacks of synthroid is that it is connected to increased osteoporosis with regular use. Addressing Thyroid related health disorders: Sometimes (most often is more accurate) the thyroid gland and in general the glandular system takes over the burden of detoxification (internal cleaning) when the regular channels of elimination are overburdened. So, number one on the " to do " list with a thyroid problem is to pay attention to and help your detoxification organs (intestinal tract, liver, kidneys, and lungs) to function at full effectiveness. Doing this job will assist in relieving any detoxification burden on your thyroid gland that can be relieved. To explain the above concept further, here's an example of how the detoxification system is related to the glandular system. It is a well known medical fact, that certain forms of harmful bacteria can produce toxic substances in the intestinal tract. These toxic substances travel to the liver from the intestines and impair the liver's ability to manufacture and utilize T3 (T3 is a relative of thyroxin and it helps regulate the speed of metabolism in the tissues). Friendly bacteria are very important to stop harmful bacteria from producing these toxic substances. As a result of repopulating your intestinal tract with potent friendly bacteria, your liver should have an increased ability to function normally and this could indirectly support your thyroid gland. When you choose your friendly bacteria supplements, make sure they are microblended with a whole food rich in minerals such as: acidophilus and bifidus microblended with kelp or blue green algae - http://tinyurl.com/24ajq and http://tinyurl.com/26rur. The minerals in these sea vegetables enables the friendly bacteria to increase their speed of multiplication in the gut and will also increase the total number of organisms (friendly bacteria) that will eventually flourish in your intestines. Number two in the " to do " list is to make sure you're getting enough minerals in your diet (iodine, iron and selenium). In the past, doctors used to think that a deficiency of iodine alone was a cause of the dysfunction of the thyroid gland. But it is known today that selenium is critical in activating an enzyme responsible for controlling thyroid function. However, taking isolated iodine and selenium supplements is not a good idea because humans require only a few micrograms of these nutrients each day to meet normal needs. Too much of either of these minerals can produce toxicity. It is best to find foods high in these minerals: Blue green algae - http://tinyurl.com/g1iz, dulse, kelp and other sea vegetables are high in iodine and selenium. When consumed as part of a whole food, these minerals can be assimilated and utilized for thyroid hormone synthesis by your body without fear of toxicity. Other dietary recommendations: • Enzyme Therapy: Since the endocrine glands are driven by digested foods. Correcting any digestive problems with the use of plant-based digestive enzymes is a good idea -http://tinyurl.com/mkwo • Coconut oil is the most healthy saturated fat for the endocrine glands. Raw butter is as good. Coconut oil stimulates thyroid function and thus promotes weight loss in those who are overweight. • Fruits and fruits smoothies are important to help modulate blood sugar and calm the adrenal glands and normalize production of thyroid hormone. • Carrot's fiber tones the bowel, binds toxins and reduces the reabsorption of estrogen. • Do not drink tap water. Some city water contains organic hydrocarbons which could result in blocking the activity of thyroid hormones. Make sure you drink only spring water. • Simplify your diet. Eat the following for a period of three months: salmon, eggs (boiled), yams, fruits, and vegetables (juice parsley, celery, carrots and apples), brown rice, seeds and nuts, coconut butter or coconut oil for cooking. • Supplements use is important: 300 to 400 mg. of CoQ10 (daily for three months) - http://tinyurl.com/f1f7. Plus for the long term, food enzymes with meals, friendly bacteria, wheat sprouts - http://tinyurl.com/6vxtu, and blue green algae supplements. Following this plan, you're likely to see the potential of great improvement without the use of medications. Resources: Food Is Your Best Medicine. Henry Bieler, M.D. The Enzyme Cure. Lita Lee. , dina davis <bethgalli2001 wrote: > > I have a thyroid condition that I need to take synthroid every day or I am so tired. Is there a natural alternative and a way to heal my self from this condition so I can stop having to take medication for my body to work properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Dina Along with supplements. According to Dr. Chapman (an Osteopathic Dr.) who developed Chapman's Neurolymphatic Reflexes. States that there might be pelvic issues going on also. He called it the Pelvic Thyroid Syndrome. Find someone which has experience with Chapman's work. Anyone that is an Advance (Senior) Practitioner (or Instructor) of Ortho-Bionomy should be able to help you. Glenn --- On Mon, 6/30/08, dina davis <bethgalli2001 wrote: dina davis <bethgalli2001 thyroid Monday, June 30, 2008, 10:58 AM I have a thyroid condition that I need to take synthroid every day or I am so tired. Is there a natural alternative and a way to heal my self from this condition so I can stop having to take medication for my body to work properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 I take Thyroid Energy and L-Tyrosine by NOW and they really help me. Eat as little as possible of cruciferous vegetables. Even though they are healthier raw or slightly cooked, I cook them... I also take my temperature every morning to see, how I am doing... I hope that helps... Ingrid --- On Mon, 6/30/08, dina davis <bethgalli2001 wrote: dina davis <bethgalli2001 thyroid Monday, June 30, 2008, 5:58 AM I have a thyroid condition that I need to take synthroid every day or I am so tired. Is there a natural alternative and a way to heal my self from this condition so I can stop having to take medication for my body to work properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 You can buy Lugol's Solution at: oldamishdewormer.com That is where I get mine. He makes it and is very competent. He also ships it in a timely manner. Anne Cynthia <sinsayre wrote: Lygol's Solution is no longer available over the counter in the US. LS can be used to make methamphetamine so it's off the counter. You can still purchase it in Mexico and Canada. Please do in-depth research prior to the use of this product. Blessings, Cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 You want to be careful, as a properly functioning thyroid is a vital need for your body to be well. That said, there are much better choices than Synthroid. Armour is a more natural prescription that offers both T4 and T3, which your body needs. Some doctors consider it *old time* medicine, but it definitely is still in use. I took Synthroid for 7 years and never felt well. Then I switched to Armour after I found a new doctor who would consider prescribing it and felt tons better. Currently, I treat my hypothyroidism with Solaray Thyroid Caps alone. I take one, three times a day, and that suits my body well. But, again, everyone is different. Can you get to the point where you don't even need a supplement? Who knows? I bet anything is possible. It probably depends on what all you're willing to do, how long your thyroid has been malfunctioning, etc. For now, this works well for me. It seems safe; it's inexpensive; I can't see any drawbacks. But I may try to see how well I do without it one day! I do feel like my thyroid must be functioning better plus I feel I'm much better off than I would have been if I'd stayed on Synthroid all these years. Cindy Cindy Kirchhoff http://LivinginRhyme.com Reclaim your power and your passion for life; reclaim your health , dina davis <bethgalli2001 wrote: > > I have a thyroid condition that I need to take synthroid every day or I am so tired. Is there a natural alternative and a way to heal my self from this condition so I can stop having to take medication for my body to work properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Hi what if my thyroid is just starting to get messed up. My tsh is .02 with other test they where ok, except my pictures showed some spots?? So have to go back in three months and check it again. Any help in my diet ect. or supplements I should or should not take. Right now I am tired and kind of down in the dumps. I shouldn't be as I have a wonderful life family, ect. I live in the country on a farm love my flowers and gardens. I have two great grandkids, plus my 3 still liveing at home, I had six kids all together. Happy 4th, Debbie in Nebr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Hi Debbie, Read message #33235 - I just posted an article about that. Carol , Debbie Brunssen <debbie26111 wrote: > > Hi what if my thyroid is just starting to get messed up. My tsh is ..02 with other test they where ok, except my pictures showed some spots?? So have to go back in three months and check it again. Any help in my diet ect. or supplements I should or should not take. Right now I am tired and kind of down in the dumps. I shouldn't be as I have a wonderful life family, ect. I live in the country on a farm love my flowers and gardens. I have two great grandkids, plus my 3 still liveing at home, I had six kids all together. Happy 4th, Debbie in Nebr. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Hi all, For diagnosing thyroid problems yourself, Dr Broda Barnes flound a way many years ago to do this. http://drbate.com/Ref/thyroid.html is a web page that describes this simple test. Armour thyroid is the best and most natural solution. It is also available from Canadian drug stores by mail order at much lower prices. For much more free alternate (drugless) health information see that website. -- Phil Bate PhD http://drbate.com - Free Alternate Health Advice Neuroliminal Training (NT) helps solve mental problems without drugs at low cost. ADD to Autism, Insomnia to depression & more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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